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Posted by XFACTOR on 01-09-2003 06:40 PM:

2 cds is not necessary or rather dvds is not necessary. if u remember the first LOTR was dvd screener was released on 1cd and that was fine, excellent quality. since it is a dvd screener, and they do screen from dvds as well. there shouldn't be any menus, extras, etc. the first movie is just as long and didn't need 2cds for that screener. so i don't think 2 is necessary for this one. even the retail of LOTR was 1 cd with animated menus and audio. it just needs to be re-encoded.

Posted by Jurai on 01-09-2003 07:33 PM:

gawd stfu

quote:
Originally posted by jeffreii
come on now, all previous lotr releases have been 2 dvds. also, the svcd is 4 cds....it clearly needs a 2 dvd release- i don't think there's any question in the matter...you can see the grainy quality of this release, it's not gonna get any better without a second disc- and i wouldn't have anything less

retail rip of fellowship was 1 dvd, but plz, STFU FUCKIN MORON

Posted by perra_himself on 01-09-2003 07:37 PM:

hi ! i am a flamer and I have no life, i have no friends so I like to sit here in front of my comp and get mad .

Posted by iGotLaid_off on 01-09-2003 08:12 PM:

based on lotr2.dvdr.sample.vob

9/8/? (yeah i still haven't seen it)

Video bitrate ranges from 2200-4200Mbps avg about 3300Mbps still much better than any rls so far.

DD5.1 @448Kbps may not be true DD. It seems as though the same sound is comming out all the speakers and i'm not hearing anything out of the center channle (maybe its just me)

never the less the Convenience of 1 dvd!

I'm gonna go for this rls then wait a while till the retail.

Posted by puppydg68 on 01-09-2003 08:36 PM:

I think a 2 DVD release for this would be extremely good. 3 hours is quite a lot to compress down, having the CCE bitrate at less than 3 and with all the action in this movie, the compression would be very noticible. AC3 is great and what the SVCD version is missing.. Someone has the DVD-9 original rip somewhere, it would be mint if it was released, then we have the choice to downsample or split.

Posted by goSu on 01-09-2003 08:58 PM:

this release just screams reencode, first of normalized sound, i've yet to see a dvdr rls play ac3 sound at a normal volume...where's a real group's release when you want one? ;p

Posted by dotmusik on 01-09-2003 09:07 PM:

Re: gawd stfu

quote:
Originally posted by Jurai

retail rip of fellowship was 1 dvd, but plz, STFU FUCKIN MORON

I totally agree with u mate. They are all getting confused with a CD and DVD! LMAO!

I thought I had tell some of you guys, a DVD is BIGGER than a CD, and bigger than 4 CDs for that matter. Spliting it to 2 DVDs would be completely pointless!

Posted by PaulAAtreides on 01-09-2003 09:49 PM:

Re: gawd stfu

quote:
Originally posted by Jurai

retail rip of fellowship was 1 dvd, but plz, STFU FUCKIN MORON

THANK YOU! Some of these guys are idiots! Since we have you seen 2 DVD-R packs of movies? He's a dumbass. He is thinking SVCD, not DVD-R! We don't need two f*cking DVD-Rs, as that defeats the purpose!

Thank you for pointing this out.

Posted by PaulAAtreides on 01-09-2003 09:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jeffreii
come on now, all previous lotr releases have been 2 dvds. also, the svcd is 4 cds....it clearly needs a 2 dvd release- i don't think there's any question in the matter...you can see the grainy quality of this release, it's not gonna get any better without a second disc- and i wouldn't have anything less

newbie is right -- DVD-R section idiot - not SVCD. Most DVD-R releases are ONE DISC!!! Hint, 4.7GB, not 700MB CD-Rs!

wake the fuck up!

Posted by m3ta on 01-09-2003 10:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dotmusik

Ummmm the NFO says its 93x50mb, so I'm guessing thats 1 DVD, not 1 CD?? In which case y would u need more than 1 DVD? 2 DVDs would be a bit excessive.

And if it is 1 CD wtf does it say 93x50mb??

he didnt say "CD", he said "DISC". doh. and he was correct. 1 dvd=1 disc

:P

and no, 2 dvcds WOULDNT be excessive for a 3hr movie

Posted by m3ta on 01-09-2003 10:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by XFACTOR
2 cds is not necessary or rather dvds is not necessary. if u remember the first LOTR was dvd screener was released on 1cd and that was fine, excellent quality. since it is a dvd screener, and they do screen from dvds as well. there shouldn't be any menus, extras, etc. the first movie is just as long and didn't need 2cds for that screener. so i don't think 2 is necessary for this one. even the retail of LOTR was 1 cd with animated menus and audio. it just needs to be re-encoded.

excellent quality on 1 cd?

better quit those drugs ure on

Posted by m3ta on 01-09-2003 10:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by goSu
this release just screams reencode, first of normalized sound, i've yet to see a dvdr rls play ac3 sound at a normal volume...where's a real group's release when you want one? ;p

if it IS reencode, its stupid. to put svcd on dvdr one just has to patch the svcd headers, reauthor and repatch. but before someone asks "how how", the answer is RTFM.

Posted by tHaCuBe on 01-09-2003 10:12 PM:

of course the retail was 1 dvd.....see how big it was. probably 7gb+ dvd+rs are only 4.7, retail can be as big as 10gb

Posted by PaulAAtreides on 01-09-2003 11:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by m3ta

excellent quality on 1 cd?

better quit those drugs ure on

Are you on CRACK? Do half you knitwits realize you are in the DVD-R section, where 1 disc is common place? One DVD-R disc holds 4.7GB, the size of SEVERAL CDs. We are talking DVD-R, not CD!!!! WAKE the FUCK UP!

Posted by hoozdapimp on 01-09-2003 11:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by m3ta

if it IS reencode, its stupid. to put svcd on dvdr one just has to patch the svcd headers, reauthor and repatch. but before someone asks "how how", the answer is RTFM.

not if you want the video to play on all dvd players..my pioneer as well as my other friends pioneer will not play with the patched headers...well it plays it but only half the screener (the dvd player doesn't stretch the 480 properly to 720).

Posted by m3ta on 01-09-2003 11:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by PaulAAtreides

Are you on CRACK? Do half you knitwits realize you are in the DVD-R section, where 1 disc is common place? One DVD-R disc holds 4.7GB, the size of SEVERAL CDs. We are talking DVD-R, not CD!!!! WAKE the FUCK UP!

no, u wake the fuck up. a 3hr dvd (on 1 disc) is crap. around 2800 bitrate. as was PROVEN, lotr first retail was ... CRAP. just for the stupid masses like you (that is prolly a vcd freak lol) pay and enjoy.

a dvdr at that bitrate has about 60% of the REAL capabilities. if the dvdr "scene" (hate that word actually) was to be based on movies at 2800-3000 bitrate, fuck it, better buy the retail. or be a jackass and ejoy TS's.

Posted by perra_himself on 01-09-2003 11:28 PM:

hmmm

Lord.Of.The.Rings.Two.Towers.Region1.Fix.PPF.OWLiS .

hmmm =)

Posted by PaulAAtreides on 01-09-2003 11:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hoozdapimp

not if you want the video to play on all dvd players..my pioneer as well as my other friends pioneer will not play with the patched headers...well it plays it but only half the screener (the dvd player doesn't stretch the 480 properly to 720).

I have a Pioneer too, and I know about this, but I also have a Samsung and Apex that correct the rez.

What an encoder can do is run the SVCD mpegs through TMPGE and redo the rez to the appropriate size. It should fix the problem with the pioneer players.

Posted by puppydg68 on 01-09-2003 11:49 PM:

Re: Re: gawd stfu

quote:
Originally posted by PaulAAtreides

THANK YOU! Some of these guys are idiots! Since we have you seen 2 DVD-R packs of movies? He's a dumbass. He is thinking SVCD, not DVD-R! We don't need two f*cking DVD-Rs, as that defeats the purpose!

Thank you for pointing this out.

If you looked in a.b.dvd you would see many 2 disc rips including one of Raiders of the Lost ark - because they didn't want to sacrifice the quality of the LD conversion.. Aliens is also being posted as DVD-9 using the doom9.org Splitting across 2 DVDs. There is a program called dvdxcopy.com which retains the original quality across 2 DVDs. Most commercial DVD's are DVD-9 9 Gigs. On a 3 hour movie the bitrate would have to be so low to fit that much on a 4 gig disc. So Across 2 dvd's would give you commerical quality - ie. the same QUALITY as the original DVD-9 that it was ripped from.

It would be pointless to try to upconvert the SVCD release to DVD, BUT what we are talking about is having the original DVD-9 released across 2 DVD's. ZERO quality loss. at $2/DVD to be able to enjoy Two Towers as it is in the theatres I think is worth it, and I'm sure any of the DVDR Advocates would agree. Flame me if you want, but the reason this DVD isn't as crisp is because whoever did the encode had to sacrifice the video quality to put it on a single DVD. It still remains to be seen if this is simply the SVCD's upconverted or the original DVD-9 downconverted.

Posted by BitchAss on 01-10-2003 12:00 AM:

What you people have to remember is:

1) The DVD-R version of this is Anamorphic (Widescreen TV enhanced), so unlike the SVCD we get a better picture cause no zoom is needed.

2) Its Dolby Digtal 5.1 sound (the svcd aint obviously)

really you are getting a better picture in some ways. However the downcoding is highly compressed and with the extra resolution dvd has over SVCD you'll needed the extra space for that resolution. the detail lever in terms of MPEG in coding is identical to the SVCD but because you have more lines of resolution you get a bettter picture overall.

Anyway you people really should stop moaning, these DVD screeners prob wont be around after march april, so you might wanna appeciate them while you can!

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