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Posted by ZootedLooter on 01-04-2005 08:05 AM:

from the nfo
specifics sent via pm

Darkness DVDrip
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General Information
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Type.................: Movie
Platform.............: Stand Alone or Pc
Part Size............: 15,000,000
Number of Parts......: Cd1 51 / Cd2 51
Compression Format...: RAR
File Validation......: SFV
Image Format.........: .bin + .cue
Image Created with...: Vcd Easy
Burn Tested..........: Yes
Special CDR..........: Requires 700 MB / 80 Min CDR

Video Format.........: MPEG2
Source...............: DVD 16x9
Original Format......: PAL
Genre................: Horror
Movie Information....: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0273517...;fc=1;ft=9;fm=1

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Post Information
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Posted on............: 12/28/2004

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Release Notes
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***Sample Provided By TMPGEnc****
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Pulled this from a german dvd vobs...ripped out all language except english and
re-encoded to svcd. I left it in the orginal format of Pal.
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VIDEO INFO:
- Encoder: Cinema Craft Encoder 2.67.0.27
- Encoding mode: Multipass VBR
- Passes: 4
- Max. bitrate: 2408
- Avg. bitrate: 2023
- Min. bitrate: 300
- Bias: 20
- Image Quality Prio: 17
- Antinoise filter: No
- Linear quant. scale: Yes
- Zigzag scan order: Yes
- Upper field first: No
- Progressive frames: Yes
- iDCT Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX
- Deinterlace: None
- Pulldown: No
- Width: 480
- Height: 576

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yes i did tick pulldown under advanced....in my version there is none under video tab......2.521.58.169

the scene i am using as reference is at 8:49 - 8:56 boy on a swing

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Posted by President on 01-04-2005 08:35 AM:

quote:
yes i did tick pulldown under advanced....in my version there is none under video tab......2.521.58.169

There's your problem, then. I can't believe I didn't think of that sooner. You wouldn't believe how many people make that mistake. Undoubtedly because the setting under the video tab is so well hidden.

Why are you converting to NTSC, btw? All DVD players are quite happy to play PAL and NTSC SVCDs. Let's assume you want to keep it PAL and just do the crop/resize/16:9 thing. All you need to do is load the PAL template into TMPGenc, do your crops, and encode it as PAL progressive. You could even do interlace, it doesn't matter too much. 3:2 pulldown is not used with PAL at all.

If you definitely want to convert to NTSC, load the NTSC (FILM) template). If you haven't got it, use the normal NTSC, but change Encode Mode under the video tab to 3:2 pulldown when playback. If it's locked, right-click it and unlock it.

Then set the frame rate to 23.976 (29.97 internally). This frame rate will only be available after encode mode is set correctly.

I am confident this will do the trick, as long as you untick 3:2 under the advanced tab. EDIT: Just downloaded the sample. It's a good conversion, interlaced PAL, but progressive frames. A straight PAL->PAL encode with your custom crop will work just fine, as will the NTSC conversion I explained. Your crop settings will probably have to change a little to compensate for the different res. My numbers were based on NTSC source. Let me know if you need any help with that.

Posted by ZootedLooter on 01-04-2005 03:01 PM:

i ran the all variables again as a double check just in case of any errors while encoding them before ....but this time in addition i dropped the 3:2 pulldown in advanced tab....

ive always used the templates for 23.97 and 29.97....
when using 23.97 template it sets the video tab for 3:2 already....therefore enabling it under advanced was giving me the worst results(maybe doubling the tools function)....
but again my best results actually were in 29.97 and interlaced gave me the smoothest....

like you said...the video must be 25 interlaced....reading the info.. under deinterlace it states none

i convert to ntsc because i have a bunch of dvd players and some are old...in addition i travel with videos wherever we go to keep the kid happy....and i need them to work wherever i wind up..plus it gives me something to do while the kid is watching the same fuckin thing every fuckin day.......helps me tune out elmo...

if you do get the to time grab the movie and check it out....let me know what you find.....i would run the pal video through procoder to see what happens but 1.5 doexnt have a 23.97 option and i cant find a good crack for 2.0....hint hint...PM?....dont ban me NS....i ll be lost without you....hah...i dont think the riaa or anyone else has the attention span to make it this far into the thread anyway......theyre too busy browsing on kazaa

pres.....you got the patience of a fuckin saint....
looter

:edit again

i just read your last post again and mustve missed your edit....i dont remember what the sample was (i dont think i can redownload with agent)..but it was a specific scene i saw a prolem with...
just in case you do check it out yourself(dont have to...youve done more than enough) ..... you might have missed this at the bottom of the last post....

:the scene i am using as reference is at 8:49 - 8:56 boy on a swing:

Posted by ZootedLooter on 01-04-2005 05:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by President
Your crop settings will probably have to change a little to compensate for the different res. My numbers were based on NTSC source. Let me know if you need any help with that.

i didnt see anything wrong on my tv but it looks letterboxed on the sides on zplayer...i ll run it again...what should i crop to....i did some googling and saw a formula i didnt quite pick up....do you know it?

Posted by President on 01-04-2005 06:02 PM:

I only grabbed the sample of a guy in a car, there's rain, clips of a guy in pool. It's definitely progressive frames, as stated in the .nfo, but the encode mode is set to interlaced. With PAL, that doesn't actually matter as long as the frames are progressive, so that's no biggie.

The way to convert it to NTSC is simply to change the frame rate to 23.976 and encode as NTSC film. I foolishly assumed that TMPGenc would change the frame rate correctly when using a template with that frame rate, but being the vile, useless, disgusting piece of sh*t that it is (pardon my French), it just drops frames like crazy to fit the new time. So if you want to convert to 23.976, the best way is to change the frame rate externally in VdubMod or AviSynth and just frame serve it into TMPGenc. I just did that, and it worked perfectly. You would need to stretch the audio to fit manually, though. BeSweet has a very handy option to do this.

Still, you really don't need to convert to NTSC even for compatibility with older players. 99.9999999% of all DVD players that play SVCD in the first place won't give a toss about whether it's PAL or NTSC. DVD format is another story because of region encoding, but SVCD and VCDs are fine.

As for the kid on the swing, any PAL to NTSC conversion will have interlaced lines when viewed on a PC monitor, unless you use real-time deinterlacing. The only exception being if it's 23.976 without 3:2 pulldown, which actually works with SVCD, but it will just have 3:2 added real-time by your DVD player during playback.

I only downloaded the sample, but it's virtually impossible for the guy who did it to have messed up just a few or a single scene, so I am sure the kid on the swing will be alright once you burn it and play it on your TV. I would still recommend you leave it as PAL, but like I said, changing the frame rate externally and using BeSweet for the audio will do the trick, it's just a bit more work, and an unnecessary re-encode/quality drop for the audio.

Posted by President on 01-04-2005 06:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by zootedlooter
i didnt see anything wrong on my tv but it looks letterboxed on the sides on zplayer...i ll run it again...what should i crop to....i did some googling and saw a formula i didnt quite pick up....do you know it?

The crop settings should be 362 x 324, or 59 off the sides and 126 off the top and bottom. That will give you anamorphic fullscreen.

Posted by ZootedLooter on 01-04-2005 09:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by President
but being the vile, useless, disgusting piece of sh*t that it is

I agree

quote:
Still, you really don't need to convert to NTSC even for compatibility with older players. 99.9999999% of all DVD players that play SVCD in the first place won't give a toss about whether it's PAL or NTSC. DVD format is another story because of region encoding, but SVCD and VCDs are fine.

i convert everything with svcd2dvd after i finish...its a cheat i know but im gonna start converting the right way...the dvd players i have that dont play svcd keep the 480x480 ar on output with svcd2dvd conversions....that leaves me with a half screen of vidoe.....they also dont have internal converters and play black and white pal...ive heard the cheap dvd player argument alot...but i do it to learn the video field as a way out in case i get fed up with construction work

quote:
I am sure the kid on the swing will be alright once you burn it and play it on your TV. I would still recommend you leave it as PAL, but like I said, changing the frame rate externally and using BeSweet for the audio will do the trick, it's just a bit more work, and an unnecessary re-encode/quality drop for the audio.

I did burn all of my test runs and watched em..23.97 still had a slight jekiness to it...im gonna finish this one up at 29.97 and next time i ll run it the right way..im burnt on this one....i already know how to convert the audio with besweet

looter

thanx again....i m in btwn work right now and these past three days kept me busy....i wouldve been bored shitless watching kid tv all day otherwise

Posted by President on 01-04-2005 10:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by zootedlooter thanx again....i m in btwn work right now and these past three days kept me busy....i wouldve been bored shitless watching kid tv all day otherwise [/B]

Glad I could (sort of) help

Btw, if you are planning to do lots of conversions like this, you might want to look at AviSynth. It's awesome, and it's what all the cool kids use. Some people are put off by it being script-based, but it's not too difficult.

There's an excellent webpage out there that explains the various methods with example scripts. I think it's called "standards conversions on the cheap" or something like that. Try Google'ing it.

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