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Posted by bcool2k on 01-18-2005 12:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ^Om3n
Err, actually thats the MAJORITY of the 'scenes' opinion.
And to clarify, when i say the 'scenes opinion' i am refering to those who are members of a groups counsil, are a 'nuker' for topsites/presite or infact run them, and so on.

There is a very simple reason that VHS screeners are not generally encoded to anything other than VCD, that is because the resolution of a VHS is less than that of an SVCD. Enlarging from such a source isn't the greatest idea. S-VHS on the other hand has a higher resolution, and given the proper capturing and encoding technique's im sure would produce quite a nice SVCD vhs screener.

FYI, Centropy's SVCD TS's were rarely nuked. The reason for this was largely due to timing. There first svcd ts release was of a film not yet availible, the reasons were explained properly in the nfo, and they were are long standing and highly 'respected' group. And of corse, the quiality difference was infact quite substancial.

Personally i dont think a VHS screener should be encoded to SVCD, because the majority of VHS screener tapes are not of the best quality, or are a low generation, to begin with.

As for this release, i have only viewed the sample but it a little improvement over the HafVCD release, although the colors are not so great.

Thank U. Those that know the SCENE know what i was trying to convey. And i'm all for evolution, but groups wont pre if they gonna get NUKED as soon as they PRE. ASK any group u want. LMFAO. And for those that think that ppl in groups posting on VCDquality are lame, should just shoot themselves NOW. I know several from some of your favorite groups that post here. Its just supposed to be about fun. We are NOT at war here. TO those that understand HOW the SCENE is run. Keep on Keeping on. The rest of U can piss off.

AS for the release: Even with SVCD re-encodes of VCD source VHS the pic is still shitty just marginally better. Sound is the Same. Anyway u slice it the movie still sux so thank U drive thru. Move along now kiddies

!!

7/7.5/? Dunno will wait for a true dVdscreener or HIGHER to watch this trash

Posted by Truth on 01-18-2005 02:20 PM:

If they had put a stop to the CD-R bullshit and shown some balls with a dvd-r image I may have been a little more impressed.
WTF is up with putting things on CD-R still? 25p for a Ritek blank now and £40 for a dvd burner...scene is looking backwards right now I can;t believe it hasn't moved on.
BTW a dvd-r doesn't have to be full I would welcome 2gb image over three cd sVCD releases anytime!!!!!!!

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Posted by Dodgy Del on 01-18-2005 03:49 PM:

totaly agree with you mate. out with the old and in with the new.were into the year 2005 so lets start putting dvd into its full potential.its the way forward.

quote:
Originally posted by Truth
If they had put a stop to the CD-R bullshit and shown some balls with a dvd-r image I may have been a little more impressed.
WTF is up with putting things on CD-R still? 25p for a Ritek blank now and £40 for a dvd burner...scene is looking backwards right now I can;t believe it hasn't moved on.
BTW a dvd-r doesn't have to be full I would welcome 2gb image over three cd sVCD releases anytime!!!!!!!

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Posted by EViL-EWoK on 01-18-2005 03:59 PM:

wow so many people going wild.
just rate this, and ur 2 cents.
stop talking about the scene.

8/8/chucky movies are gay.

nice svcd, looks better

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Posted by ^Om3n on 01-18-2005 05:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by motabus
if anyone thinks a member of a top site takes the time to post on the vcdquality boards.. you are out of ya mind.. If im wrong then the scene really is going down the tubes

You are infact quite wrong, Yoda. Excuse my sarcasm. Just because a person may be involved and/or contribute more closely in the 'scene', does not make them any different than the rest of the world. Are you forgetting where it all began? ahem, BBS.

Groups already have and will continue to pre telecine and dvd scr releases on dvdr, i have no problem with this as the sources are quite capable of producing quality of a level expected from a dvd image. However i do not think at this time any other types should be pre'd into the dvdr section. First of all a VCD cam/ts/vhs scr have low resolution and substandard audio streams... such a task as converting sources to dvd compliant mpeg2 does not produce good enough results to be worth the extra effort.
SVCD telesync are released that way due to the fact that they do have a higher resolution and with a decent dts or direct source soundtrack which can produce a quite improved quality standard by using SVCD instead of VCD, although i do think sometimes a group fails to use there discretion and they release an SVCD ts that would have looked better as a VCD.

You should also take note that the majority of ts/cam releases are not capped by the group themself, they do infact come from asian silvers, these can often be of such low quality that they are unwatchable as even a vcd or svcd. Why push such junk into the dvdr section too.

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Posted by a1catraz on 01-18-2005 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ^Om3n
You are infact quite wrong, Yoda. Excuse my sarcasm. Just because a person may be involved and/or contribute more closely in the 'scene', does not make them any different than the rest of the world. Are you forgetting where it all began? ahem, BBS.

Groups already have and will continue to pre telecine and dvd scr releases on dvdr, i have no problem with this as the sources are quite capable of producing quality of a level expected from a dvd image. However i do not think at this time any other types should be pre'd into the dvdr section. First of all a VCD cam/ts/vhs scr have low resolution and substandard audio streams... such a task as converting sources to dvd compliant mpeg2 does not produce good enough results to be worth the extra effort.
SVCD telesync are released that way due to the fact that they do have a higher resolution and with a decent dts or direct source soundtrack which can produce a quite improved quality standard by using SVCD instead of VCD, although i do think sometimes a group fails to use there discretion and they release an SVCD ts that would have looked better as a VCD.

You should also take note that the majority of ts/cam releases are not capped by the group themself, they do infact come from asian silvers, these can often be of such low quality that they are unwatchable as even a vcd or svcd. Why push such junk into the dvdr section too.

if you are for evolution and shit..
then whats wrong with the SVCD.SCREENER-Pv?
Is it NOT better quality than then HAFS?

and the scene is bullshit...

Posted by Horton on 01-18-2005 08:04 PM:

Its funny watching you people talk about ''the scene'' as if you know fuck all about it

''the majority of the scene'' who th heck do you think you are dude? the scene stands for a collection of many people, in many differant parts of the world.

stop talking out of your ass. just because your one colo site nuked some crap, doesnt mean it represents ''the scene'' - you need to pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to boost your ego by pretending you know what the fuck your on about.

as for VHS -> SVCD - one of the greatest points made are on the fact that VHS Has a smaller resolution then SVCD, and increasing a video's res will lead to pixelation no matter how you slice it..

Posted by Redemption198 on 01-18-2005 08:26 PM:

Ive been wanting VHS screeners on SVCD for ages.

VHS does have a lower resolution than SVCD, but i personally have done some decent VHS to SVCD conversions myself and they look a lot better than the VCD version.
As ^Om3n said, VHS sources can be low quality and quite a noisy source, so VCD's 1150 CBR isnt nearly adequate for it, while SVCD is too hig res, CVCD is good for VHS, but not all DVD players support it, although it is great for authoring straight to DVD.
The best methods are Non-Standard systems like CVCD and a VBR VCD, which im personally keen on, but aren't likely to happen.
This looks better than the VCD version and most other VCD screeners so im all for it, if done properly.

8/7/3

Posted by satanwantsme on 01-19-2005 12:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Horton
your picture talks about it being a proper - i think in the NFO there trying to say theyre setting an example, by doing something new - possibly starting to dupe VCD screeners [that are out, such as here] with a SVCD encode - not necessarily something i agree with, but more the merrier ?

Who cares? it is better quality, thats the main thing as far as Im concerned. Anyway the whole scene is based around breaking the rules, putting rules in place is a complete contradiction.

THIS IS ANARCHY

Posted by zerotype on 01-19-2005 12:59 AM:

Actualy the best reolution to capture vhs at is 640x480(which svcd is basicaly "stretched" from)Most think that capping at 352x240 at 29.967fps . Yeah, right. You capture with that resolution and you get a video that looks like shit. So was every body wrogn about the vhs resolution? No, they were inaccurate. The VHS video works with the interlaced system (not progressive), which means it draws every frame twice on the screen. In fact, every frame of an interlaced video is divided in two fields (the reason for this is a long story that comes from the first TV sets. Those two fields mean that every frame carries much more than just 240 or 288 lines of information. If you capture at 352x240 you will in turn be skipping every second field, which results in only half of the resolution.
If you want your capture to look just like the VHS source (, capture at 640x480 at 29.967fps then deinterlace it. Any body who does this for them selves can eaisly tell the diffrence between the two.
(sorry forgot to rate)
8/8/2(suck ass movie)

Posted by Jc100 on 01-19-2005 02:25 AM:

Good quality rip. But its just my opinion, THOSE ARE THE LONGEST BW SCNES, AND MOST NUMEROUS, ive ever seen.. PLus that scrollin of the no copy mid center.. VERY INTRUSIVE!!... but not bad.. watch on your pc, dont burn it. or wait for better copy.

Posted by ^Om3n on 01-19-2005 05:28 PM:

quote:
if you are for evolution and shit..
then whats wrong with the SVCD.SCREENER-Pv?
Is it NOT better quality than then HAFS?

and the scene is bullshit...

I did not say that there was something wrong with it, mearly stated that due to technical specifications and the limited improvement in quality portrayed by this example, i do not think they should be.

quote:
Its funny watching you people talk about ''the scene'' as if you know fuck all about it

And i suppose your an expert, right. I think people call that hipocracy.

quote:
''the majority of the scene'' who th heck do you think you are dude? the scene stands for a collection of many people, in many differant parts of the world.

stop talking out of your ass. just because your one colo site nuked some crap, doesnt mean it represents ''the scene'' - you need to pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to boost your ego by pretending you know what the fuck your on about.

Ego? please point out where i was boasting about anything... And where exactly do i mention anything about what site or sites i may or may not be on, and where do i say it was or wasn't nuked on any such sites? I dont, and infact it was not nuked on my sources. The scene, as people like to call it, is mearly a collaboration of people (yes, from all parts of the world) that assist in however small or large part in releasing and propogating such meterial as this release.

If anybody here is trying to boost their ego i'd say it was you. I believe you are the one implying that nobody else here knows jack shit, as if your an expert. And again, I think people call that hipocracy.

quote:
Actualy the best reolution to capture vhs at is 640x480(which svcd is basicaly "stretched" from)Most think that capping at 352x240 at 29.967fps . Yeah, right. You capture with that resolution and you get a video that looks like shit. So was every body wrogn about the vhs resolution? No, they were inaccurate.

Thank you for the information, it was my previous understanding that the vhs resolution fell somewhere midrange between vcd standard and svcd standard resolutions. Although i still stand by my opinion that the majority of vhs screener sources as used by groups for releasing are not of the greatest quality (most likely due to low generation copy, but also highly dependant on the group or rippers skills/knowledge) to put to svcd.

At this point i would like to apologise to motabus for my sarcastic comment about yoda, it was infact meant as humor. But i do see how it may or may not have been taken differently.

I will no longer be responding to this thread as it seems some people are unable to have a civil discussion/conversation. Thank you for reminding me why i have rarely bothered to post on these forums over the last year or two.

Sorry for the OTD

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Posted by aWe on 01-20-2005 05:07 AM:

HOLY FUCK, what a big fat flame fest this post has been.. all you people seem to know the scene and all its rules but you simply forgot to follow the vcdquality rules (post the release quality etc etc..) no flaming yada yada yada.... regardless... the scene rules dont really matter (well they do) but i mean even if a group releases something and it gets nuked people you will still be able to get a copy, maybe not as wide spread but there will be copies floating around. anyways on with the movie:

7.1/7.1/2.2 - imo twas better than haf

p.s. FUCK THE POLICE

p.p.s if its the same amount of information to download and its better then??????

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Posted by 28_days_later on 01-27-2005 11:49 PM:

Who gives a shit about what's scene and not scene, my main concern is that there is now one extra quality release to be distributed, therefore making it easier for myself to leech the movie from somewhere or another. Stop bitching and over-analyzing and be thankful that you are able to access free stuff.

8/9/?

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