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Posted by DEMENTA on 07-09-2005 02:52 AM:

Just finished watching the whole rls. I think this release it absolutely beautiful. It has almost perfect colors(which is quite rare these days for a TC). The only thing wrong with it in fact, is the bit o croppin as it's 4x3 ws, but definately not 16x9. I am as happy as could be with this one!

Video - 9
Audio - 9
Movie - 8

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Posted by BLUE-NEO on 07-09-2005 04:23 AM:

Good Shit....Okay Now Bye!

10/9/6 Movie was decent but not great..

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Posted by T.M. on 07-09-2005 10:42 AM:

8/8/6

Very nice release, glad I waited. Was a bit dissapointed with the movie though. Nothing really seemed to happen and the ending was shit. Thought Dakota Fanning wasn't bad. Like I read in a previous post, for a 10 year old in a world getting took over by aliens, she took it pretty well!

Posted by ao33 on 07-09-2005 12:21 PM:

not a general rating, but tc raiting

solid 10 for video, as close to perfect it gets... I haven't watched the entire release but I watched from when the first tripod appears until they get to the van as well as the ferry scene and didn't notice a bit of pixelation, even during the overhead shots with all the people moving around. there's a small amount of general reel artifacts but if anything I find it adds

sound gets an 8.5 only because i've seen this twice in the theatre and I know how badly this needs to be heard in full surround

the movie get a 9.5... the movie was far more than I could have expected, especially from a "summer blockbuster" the .5 is lost simply because, altough I liked the ending, I found it rather abrupt

Posted by yukichigai on 07-09-2005 12:24 PM:

Nice release

Well well, quite a release from XViD. I'm rather impressed. EXCEPT THAT IT'S THE WRONG F%$#ING FRAMERATE. F%$#ing hell guys, when will you release groups learn that speeding a movie up to match 25fps isn't okay? Seriously. Why doesn't anybody nuke for that? I would....

Fortunately I know how to work AviSynth, so I was able to write an AviSynth Script to slow it back down to the proper speed on the fly. As an added bonus, it effectively "joins" both the files as it plays, which means I didn't even notice where the filebreaks were when I was watching it. No messing around with playlists, no delays, just one seamless movie. I'll post the how-to at the bottom for anybody who cares.

Anyway, the review.

Video: 9

Excellent quality, I could easily believe this to be a DVD were it not for the cropping. The dark color theme of the flick helped it though, so something bright and cheery might not have looked quite so DVD-esque. Cropping is a definite downside though, but not a severe one. The framerate is a serious issue which I am amazed nobody else has addressed yet.

Audio: 8.5

Audio came out a little tinny at times, but overall very good. Could be due to the fact that the audio was sped up and then slowed down, which sort of limited the frequency ranges. Certainly nothing to complain about too much; I doubt the average person would notice unless they really tried.

Movie: 8

The overall tone of the movie was very dark, very apocalyptic, which is really what The War of the Worlds should be like. Dakota Fanning was needlessly annoying in the earlier parts of the movie, but that was the script and not her acting. Tom Cruise was, as always, the instantly likable hero. Other performances were good; Tim Robbins really knows how to be totally whacked out. CGI wasn't too over-the-top; a lot of it was just good ol' fashioned set magic, or appeared to be so. The movie went on pretty strong until the very end, where it kind of went, "oh hey look the movie's over! WHOOPIE!!!!" So... yeah, not too bad. I'd watch it again, maybe.

And now for the AviSynth Script I promised. This requires you have AviSynth installed. Google it and get it if you don't.

(Stuff in angle brackets -- < > -- is stuff you need to replace with the actual filenames/etc.)

Create a file in the same directory as both the movie files named "<movie name>.avs" and open it in notepad. In the file put in the following:

AVISource("<first movie file>.avi",true)++AVISource("<second movie file>.avi",true)
AssumeFPS(23.976,true)

Save the file, then open it with whatever media player you use.

The only downside is that it pre-converts the audio to PCM, without boosting the volume or anything else. This is only a problem for releases with AC3 audio usually, like this one. You may have to crank your speaker volume to hear anything.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed this release isn't AC3 audio, it's mp3, and high bitrate (~226kbps) at that. Very nice. Still sounds the same, but it means that converting it to AC3 at the proper speed won't ruin the quality.

Posted by mattmatt02 on 07-09-2005 12:39 PM:

not sure if it just my telly, but on the scenes where the screen is black (like after the dreamworks logo) it appears to have a strong red tint to it.

i only noticed this after i put it on the tv though, couldnt really see it on the pc monitor. i found it a bit odd because it is the first copy of a film that i have had that on so im guessing its this release...

still amazing though

9/8/not seen yet

Posted by T.M. on 07-09-2005 02:27 PM:

Does anyone know if there is anything cut from the russian version. The runtime is just under 108 mins including credits for this and on IMDB it says 116 mins?

Posted by Earthspawn on 07-09-2005 02:54 PM:

Has anyone nocticed that CD2's audio is shorter than the Video? Because after putting it in VirtualDub to check the frame rate out , the audio frame rate is 25048fps where the Video is 25000fps the same with the audio and video times Audio is 56:18:89 Mins and Video is 56:20:28 Mins,
Now the xvid is in sync funny enougth dont know why, but when i try to convert to dvd the audio is way out of sync where as CD1 is fine.
Can anyone help me on this? i need to find a way to make the audio and video match on CD2.

Or if you have the same problem tell me what you did to correct it plz.

Thanks

p.s Just seen CD1 is the same, auido and video times are different but frame rate is fine but audio go's off snyc when converting or extracting the audio to wav

Posted by pvt_klaas on 07-09-2005 05:32 PM:

I watched it through yesterday:
Over the whole line is it a clear vid. The dark scenes come out very nice only the soundvolume is a little bit low.
As for the bitrate for cd2::
havn't noticed it before you guys said it. Because no sync problems. So I can't really see the problem (except for
converters)
Anyway:
9/8/6

Posted by freaky_00 on 07-09-2005 06:16 PM:

Re: Nice release

First off:

V:8(cropped)/A:9/M:9

Saw it in the movies!

quote:
Originally posted by yukichigai
Well well, quite a release from XViD. I'm rather impressed. EXCEPT THAT IT'S THE WRONG F%$#ING FRAMERATE. F%$#ing hell guys, when will you release groups learn that speeding a movie up to match 25fps isn't okay? Seriously. Why doesn't anybody nuke for that? I would....

Excuse me but do you know that 25fps is PAL. To my knowledge only a few countries use 23,976 or 29,976 fps like USA and Japan. Why is it so bad for you releasing it in 25fps? NTSC is inferior to PAL. I am quite happy to see it is 25fps!!!

Posted by vegasguy on 07-09-2005 08:52 PM:

Hey now,

Killer release, great quality,

V:8
A:9
M:7

Posted by ao33 on 07-10-2005 12:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Earthspawn
Has anyone nocticed that CD2's audio is shorter than the Video? Because after putting it in VirtualDub to check the frame rate out , the audio frame rate is 25048fps where the Video is 25000fps the same with the audio and video times Audio is 56:18:89 Mins and Video is 56:20:28 Mins,
Now the xvid is in sync funny enougth dont know why, but when i try to convert to dvd the audio is way out of sync where as CD1 is fine.
Can anyone help me on this? i need to find a way to make the audio and video match on CD2.

Or if you have the same problem tell me what you did to correct it plz.

Thanks

p.s Just seen CD1 is the same, auido and video times are different but frame rate is fine but audio go's off snyc when converting or extracting the audio to wav

i don't know i've i've ever seen a perfect audio video match... i use dvd-lab and there's always a few second difference between audio and video. anyways, I authored with dvd-lab pro and it turned out fine... try using diko to convert... it's so simple

Posted by dimalife on 07-10-2005 02:31 AM:

8/8/7

audio is ok; not sure about the technical sides of it, but there's a slight occasional fluctuation in volume. Video is okay, although i've seen some better TC's.

i'm curious, shouldn't they drop out the frames with identification dot patterns that pop up occasionally?

Posted by bobbish on 07-10-2005 03:19 AM:

Re: Nice release

quote:
Originally posted by yukichigai
Well well, quite a release from XViD. I'm rather impressed. EXCEPT THAT IT'S THE WRONG F%$#ING FRAMERATE. F%$#ing hell guys, when will you release groups learn that speeding a movie up to match 25fps isn't okay? Seriously. Why doesn't anybody nuke for that? I would....

Video: 9
The framerate is a serious issue which I am amazed nobody else has addressed yet.

lol, you do realize that 25fps = PAL which is very valid.
most telecine's you'll see are PAL. and as this is russian sourced, it is the proper framerate.

anyway, i finished watching the rls and i'll probably bump down my audio score (originally based from sample) down to a 7/7.5 b/c there are some inconsistencies in the levels/tracks.

Posted by yukichigai on 07-10-2005 05:53 AM:

Re: Re: Nice release

quote:
Originally posted by freaky_00
Excuse me but do you know that 25fps is PAL. To my knowledge only a few countries use 23,976 or 29,976 fps like USA and Japan. Why is it so bad for you releasing it in 25fps? NTSC is inferior to PAL. I am quite happy to see it is 25fps!!!

The reason why this is a problem is because the movie's original framerate was 23.976fps, and the adaptation method the groups use to compensate for this is to speed the movie up. This means the audio gets sped up as well, and on a lot of films it makes the sound very annoying, at least to me. I believe the movie should be kept in its original framerate whenever possible; I don't complain when European movies get released at 25fps, because converting to 23.976fps would be done by slowing the movie down, thereby distorting the audio.

More to the point, there's no real reason why a DivX/XviD encode should be at any framerate other than the original. DVDRs and (S)VCDs, okay, I can accept that most of the world uses PAL. Still drives me up the wall, but I can accept it. DivX, on the other hand, is a computer format, and doesn't need a specific framerate to be compatible. As far as I know, all the standalone DivX players will also do framerate conversions if necessary anyway. Speeding up the movie on a DivX release reduces the quality unnecessarily.

Posted by HeADboNE on 07-10-2005 12:13 PM:

awesome release as good as saosin at top of there game
8/9/7
all there proper sound not pot cam added etc as other releases

Posted by welmer43 on 07-10-2005 12:28 PM:

dank je voor de mooie release..

Posted by yukichigai on 07-10-2005 11:27 PM:

Re: Re: Nice release

quote:
Originally posted by bobbish
lol, you do realize that 25fps = PAL which is very valid.
most telecine's you'll see are PAL. and as this is russian sourced, it is the proper framerate.

It would be valid if the conversion method the studio had used was something other than speeding up the movie. I'm not saying 25fps is an invalid framerate by itself, I'm saying that the conversion method used to get the movie there is inferior and degrades the audio quality, not to mention makes the thing 1/24th faster. As I mentioned, this is wholly unnecessary with a DivX release.

Posted by Redemption198 on 07-10-2005 11:41 PM:

yukichigai, as you obviously must know, Region2 and a few others use PAL on all DVD's, so we constantly have speeded up audio, cant say i like it, but unless you have heard the original then you arent gonna notice its speeded up.

As had previously been said, these TC are recorded in PAL using countries so are gonna use 25fps, and speeding up does not reduce the quality of the sound at all, it just changes it, and doesn't affect the video quality at all, quite the opposite as PAL has a higher resolution, and all TC and decent TS are gonna be PAL, so get used to it.

Anyways very nice release, great quality so early, nice colours, very clear and easy to see, couple of mild problems but nothing unwatchable.

Sound isnt great, but does the job to listen to it, and has no serious problems.

9/7/?

Posted by yukichigai on 07-11-2005 12:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redemption1980
yukichigai, as you obviously must know, Region2 and a few others use PAL on all DVD's, so we constantly have speeded up audio, cant say i like it, but unless you have heard the original then you arent gonna notice its speeded up.

As had previously been said, these TC are recorded in PAL using countries so are gonna use 25fps, and speeding up does not reduce the quality of the sound at all, it just changes it, and doesn't affect the video quality at all, quite the opposite as PAL has a higher resolution, and all TC and decent TS are gonna be PAL, so get used to it.

I'm sure the mods are about ready to kill me so I'll make this my last post on the topic.

With TCs I do agree that using PAL resolutions for DVDRs and (S)VCDs does make the video quality better. However, DivX/XviD releases are not tied to any specific resolution or framerate. I honestly cannot see any reason why DivX/XviD TCs from European countries should use any framerate besides the original, especially since US-released movies shown in European theaters are almost invariably shown at 23.976fps. Unless the groups are getting their sound from sources that have already been sped up -- something I find unlikely -- they are degrading the sound quality, since they have to speed it up and then resample to get it back to 48000Hz.

Now TSes are an entirely different matter. Yes, TSes on (S)VCD do have higher resolution. However, it's almost a given that a TS will have "motion blur", which is nothing but the visible effects of recording a 23.976fps film on a 25fps camera. I don't fault the groups for this at all, since the only solution would be to import a camera that records in 23.976fps, and I imagine that's quite costly. This is, however, a perfect example of how using PAL for higher resolution is not always the ideal solution. If groups were able to use cameras that recorded in the appropriate framerate then there would be no motion blur on TSes.

Anyway, I'm done ranting about this here. I'm game if anybody wants to PM me and discuss this, but I'll stop wasting post space for this release.

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