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Posted by yoshy on 07-31-2007 02:53 PM:

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
fascinating.

so is you're mother, but that's another thread all together
love Dwaggy

Posted by Dwaggy on 07-31-2007 03:11 PM:

You are a very unfunny poster vbitter

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 05:14 PM:

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Originally posted by yoshy
so is you're mother, but that's another thread all together
love Dwaggy

haha, that made me haha.

You are a very funny poster vbitter

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Posted by davidbrent on 07-31-2007 05:27 PM:

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
I want a pet lion and I want to be able to take it for a walk in the park.

A Liger would be the way to go tbh.

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 05:34 PM:

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Originally posted by davidbrent
A Liger would be the way to go tbh.

someone watched ND on Film 4 last night

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-31-2007 08:34 PM:

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Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
WORST ARGUMENT EVER. They don't attack and kill children and adults

It wasnt meant to be a part of the argument, im sure everyone else got the point so im not going to sit here and break it down for you.

I made my argument at the top of this thread, i have tons more to add to it but i wont bore you guys ( confuse you, in your case avenue) when its clear noone in this place gives 3 shits about it, or have developed a serious opinion on it through real information & facts, not what the media shoves down your throat. Which is cool, to each his own, everyone has their own battles. Just thought i would throw it out there and see who had an opinion on the issue.

Fukin nuts....

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 09:03 PM:

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Originally posted by The CandyMan
Personally I can't stand the fuckers, and see no need for them whatsover.

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned.

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
WORST ARGUMENT EVER. They don't attack and kill children and adults

Uh huh.

Guess you owned me like you owned that Pro-BSL guy.

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-31-2007 10:25 PM:

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Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
Uh huh.

Guess you owned me like you owned that Pro-BSL guy.

Ok last try and i give up on you man. And i dont want to do that because i think you have it in you to show a little common sense.

Here we go...

The guy said that he cant stand them and sees no need for them. I reply with:

"Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned."

Ok this is where it gets complicated so stay with me bro. My reply was neither disrespect towards the candyman or an argument for the specific subject at hand. It was a statement to show the general idea that because some may not like "insert noun HERE", or see any use in the existence of "insert noun HERE", that is not a good reason to ban "insert noun HERE" or to automatically support a ban on "insert noun HERE". I hope this helps bro, i know you can understand the concept if you put all your energy into it. Concentration man, concentration...
Good luck.

Joey T.

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 10:40 PM:

So, you're now saying you took part of Candymans post out of context, and came back with a statement mocking the last sentence of the post .
With someone like you trying to defend BSL, all dogs are doomed

In reality you don't know shit about dogs and have copied & pasted shit off the net... oh dear

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Posted by David Cameron on 07-31-2007 11:37 PM:

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Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
It was a statement to show the general idea that because some may not like "paedophiles ", or see any use in the existence of "paedophiles ", that is not a good reason to ban "paedophiles " or to automatically support a ban on "paedophiles ". .

Joey T.

Good point well made.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 02:40 AM:

I swear to god man its like trying to teach monkeys calculus. I dont know shit? You dont know shit. About the subject or my knowledge on the subject. I have a paper trail linking me to this breed that is longer then your mothers STD list. I dont copy and paste nothin without giving it its proper credit. Google anything i have said since this convo started, you wont find anything other then here. If you do then there is a link here corresponding to it.
If ever you feel froggy and really want to debate this you lemme know. I been doing this shit for years, and you clearly dont know dick from dirt on the subject . So you lemme know and we will see who really resorts to copy paste pussy tactics. As for now im done training monkeys for the day. So fuk off, die slow, with pissy bedsheets under you, you ignorant know-nothing ball of douche.

And btw wtf is up w/ you editing every post. Last edited by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 at 04:43 PM I mean i could see if you were coming with longer well thought out posts, as i have. But your posts are like 2 line, half baked, half thought out tard comebacks.. i mean cmon guy, before we know it you will be coming back with such classics as "nuh uh" or "wutever" "dummy head" ..sigh... and they will be edited

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
Good point well made.

And you...::sigh:: You made a point for my case without even knowing it. Some people are paedo's, but only a small percentage of the human race are that fuked up in the head to harm a child. So what should be done about that? Should you say ALL people are bad and should be destroyed because a small percentage are fuked in the head and have bad intentions? Of course not. So why should it be any different with this? It shouldnt.

FACT:
Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more than 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a Pit Bull.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 03:05 AM:

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Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH

And you...::sigh:: You made a point for my case without even knowing it. Some people are paedo's, but only a small percentage of the human race are that fuked up in the head to harm a child. So what should be done about that? Should you say ALL people are bad and should be destroyed because a small percentage are fuked in the head and have bad intentions? Of course not.

No all people shouldn't be destroyed, just the paedo's. Just like all dogs shouldn't be destroyed, just the Amstaffs.

Dude, think about what you say before you say it.

Posted by danimal39 on 08-01-2007 03:46 AM:

statistics on breeds most likely to aim or kill http://dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks...6%20Clifton.pdf

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 03:51 AM:

Seriously im done, its too much. You come with these 4 word half thought replys. And think you have won the conversation, in a real debate you would have lost 4 posts ago.

The paedos are to the human as the bad dogs are to the pit breed. You dont jail/kill ppl that dont fuk kids just because there are some ppl that do fuk kids, and you dont kill the dogs that dont kill kids. Sure you can say that the paedos are to the humans as the pits are to the dog race. Which is what you are trying to say, this doesnt work because based on your logic the pit is the paedo of the dog world. The reason this doesnt work is because it goes back to the argument that a pit bull is any worse for the community than any other dog, as the paedo is worse than any other breed of sicko. To be able to say that you need factual evidence to prove the pit bull is any worse than any other breed. The reason why this doesnt work is because the facts do not point to this.

Dog involved in most fatal attacks since 1998: Rottweiler

Dog with one of the lowest temperament scores: Standard Schnauzer, 66.1% (compare that with the APBT 83.5% or the AST 83.3%)

Dogs most involved in attacks:Mutt

To make things worse the pit breed is comprised of 3 different sub-breeds, but when an attack takes place do you think it goes under staffordshire terrier? Or Amstaff terrier? No they are all lumped together in one category meaning that they should add up quicker. The more dogs in the category the bigger chance of having a mentally screwed up one(or one which was screwed by owner). Not to mention all the mutt bites that get classified as "Pit Bull" attack either by media hype (pit bull attacks sell) or misinformed idiots who think a dog is a pit because it has cropped ears, or a barral chest, or a big square head. That and the fact that a big factor in attack rate is the popularity of the dog. The more dogs of a particular breed in the community the higher chance that breed will be involved in an attack. You are not thinking about this thing all the way around, you are so worried about debunking any little detail from my posts as you can that you are not looking at the big picture, in other words your posts are not informed.

So why should the pit be the paedo of the dog world, and not any of the aforementioned breeds? Right. It makes more sense to judge the dog based on its personality and temparment rather than its breed.

All in all your wrong, both of you are wrong. You can come with your shitty kindergarten comebacks all day, anyone who really goes through this thread with an unbiased mind will be able to see that not only are you terribly wrong on all of your points, and i do mean all of them. But your debating skills are mediocre if not outright poor.
Back in your cage monkeys, i need some sleep. I will be back to own your ridiculous petty un-thought out replys tomorrow, as long as it doesnt get too ridiculous. Its as if im arguing with either a couple of early teenagers who do not know when they have lost, foreigners who lack the ability to comprehend basic logic in the english language, or a couple of tards that dont know tit from twat. Im betting on the latter...

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quote:
Originally posted by danimal39
statistics on breeds most likely to aim or kill http://dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks...6%20Clifton.pdf

The big problem with that is it says right at the top that unidentified breeds were not counted. In actuality mutts are on the top of the "most prone to bite" list and Rottweilers take the top of fatal attacks, and have since 1998. That and you can never tell if the numbers or even the analyses is correct. That whole thing was compiled by a single person (the editor of some animag). In any case i have never seen that one, so good find bro.

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 04:24 AM:

You Got Fucking Owned
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Posted by pHo on 08-01-2007 05:16 AM:

I dont know an awful lot about pitbulls (bar the fact that I've known people locally to let them roam and thats really not a good idea) or the differences between Amstaffs and my British Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but I know that with my dog despite the fact he's never ever been a threat to anyone, if I'm walking him I'm very conscious about the routes I take, I have him on a very short leash and I will always avoid other animals and children. The worst people are those who walk their animals without a leash, its irresponsible and I'm sure as hell not going to take responsibility if their idiot mutt comes up to my dog and starts sniffing about him. I know what'll happen, and it'll involve his dog being torn to shreds because staffies as breeds do not take well to other dogs.

Its happened before with larger dogs and my dog will go for it. Its in his nature, but thats why you have to be a responsible owner. I've no problems with the law saying you have to have a certain environment, certain license or whatever to keep certain breeds but to ban them outright or anything similar isn't fair to those who handle with care. My parents have people coming in and out the house all day and night (nurses have access to keys to make visits at midnight/4am) and even those who are scared of dogs took to him, because he's an awesome pup with a ton of personality. When a dog like that is in your environment, they adapt and they will behave.. its when they get outdoors they can be a handful and thats when you simply have to be careful.

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Posted by Qu1cK on 08-01-2007 05:20 AM:

I have a Pit since she was a pup, shes now 13 years old and has never bit nor devoured any small children or anything... its like anything else its all about how they are raised... You raise a little whiteboy in a rich family full of doctors... he will probably grow up and follow in there footsteps... put a white boy in a family whos dad is in jail and they can only a ford a shitty apartment in the "hood" he will probably end up in jail just like his daddy...

Don't beat your dog and it won't eat you. (unless your an idiot like some posters here)

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 05:32 AM:

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Originally posted by pHo
I dont know an awful lot about pitbulls (bar the fact that I've known people locally to let them roam and thats really not a good idea) or the differences between Amstaffs and my British Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but I know that with my dog despite the fact he's never ever been a threat to anyone, if I'm walking him I'm very conscious about the routes I take, I have him on a very short leash and I will always avoid other animals and children. The worst people are those who walk their animals without a leash, its irresponsible and I'm sure as hell not going to take responsibility if their idiot mutt comes up to my dog and starts sniffing about him. I know what'll happen, and it'll involve his dog being torn to shreds because staffies as breeds do not take well to other dogs.

Its happened before with larger dogs and my dog will go for it. Its in his nature, but thats why you have to be a responsible owner. I've no problems with the law saying you have to have a certain environment, certain license or whatever to keep certain breeds but to ban them outright or anything similar isn't fair to those who handle with care. My parents have people coming in and out the house all day and night (nurses have access to keys to make visits at midnight/4am) and even those who are scared of dogs took to him, because he's an awesome pup with a ton of personality. When a dog like that is in your environment, they adapt and they will behave.. its when they get outdoors they can be a handful and thats when you simply have to be careful.

In other words, your a responsible owner. I wish everyone had your same ideals when it comes to owning a pit, things probably wouldnt be as bad for us as it is now. I wouldnt have to be batting off "instant experts" left and right all the time. :\

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 05:44 AM:

American pit bulls are banned in the U.K already.

Despite being illegal some people still breed them and in some cases they manage to prove that, if trained well, they can be very cool dogs.

Take this one for example , it ate a 5 year old, how cool is that.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 06:14 AM:

Yah or how about this one. A Labrador which literally bit a womans face off
http://home.hamptonroads.com/blog/t..._id=8441&uid=53

or this one where a golden retriever strangled a child by dragging it by its scarf
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/...lz1c12dogs.html

or this one where 4 greyhounds mauled a woman and killed her dogs
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/co...10-2862,00.html

or hey how about this one involving a german shepard. "
A would be police dog kills a 4 year old boy. http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/ani...k_nebraska.html

Dalmation jumps through car window to fight 2 pit bulls
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...%20pitbulls.pdf

Dalmation bites 1/2 of toddlers nose off
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...e_dalmation.pdf

pack of greyhounds kill owner
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...fatalattack.pdf

doberman attacks woman in a wheelchair.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...oberman0307.pdf

I can go on all day long. You see, any dog, and i do mean ANY dog has the capability to attack/kill. It could be caused by irresponsible owners or just a mentally unstable dog. As long as you train the animal right, and have the sense to know rather your dog is fuked in the head, you can turn any dog into a family dog. Have you ever seen that dog whisperer guy? he has a whole pack of pit bulls and they were mostly all rescued from fighting rings yet he even admitted that they were his best dogs. Point is its not just pit bulls. If you ban pits, rottys will be next, followed by dobermans, and german shepards, and it will be a domino effect. Look at Italy for example.

Italy started with a list of 13 banned breeds, after the # of bites went up rather than down they added more and more dogs to the banned list. Altogether the list is over 90 breeds long. They just recently banned the Welsh Corgi

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