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Posted by madd on 02-24-2009 06:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sim-card
same, i dont think they should allow any fukin tom dick or harry into the country, it should be based more on the aussie system-- where you need a certain no. of points based on a certain criteria to be able to qualify for citizenship

agreed, i have no problem with foreign people coming here as long as they have something to offer. the problem is there is that many in the uk that dont work and never have done but they get a house paid for ,a car paid for and live on benifits. those are the one who should be fucked of back to there own country (or france) im sick of working my arse off paying stupid amounts of tax ect just to keep there sorry arses alive

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Posted by David Cameron on 02-24-2009 06:34 PM:

Weirdman, I consider myself slightly right wing, I have met people who are far more right wing than I, they just don't know it.

My whole thing with the British immigration thing is difficult to explain. Sim Card, I would say you and your family are deserving of being here, I have never held any animosity towards Sikhs and never will. The immigrants from your parents generation, for the most part, came here to work, integrate, make lives for themselves within Britain without trying to change Britain.

The problem now is the undeserving scum that are coming into the country by the boatload. Unlike your Grandparents and Parents they have no loyalty to Britain, have no intention of integrating with the natives and for a large part have no intention to work and pay taxes. I have never had a problem with Sikhs and I recognise that 2nd generation immigrants have as much to lose as I do with the unchecked, open to allcomers immigration policy that the government seems to have.

In fact, i'd say someone as yourself has more to lose than I with the current immigration policy. Not everyone, I have seen this first hand, recognises the difference between intelligent, harworking, hygienic and loyal to Britain Sikhs and the recent influx of scumbag, knife wielding, dirty Somalian/Afghan/Kosovan/Iraqi/Iranian freeloading immigrants. All the piss taking done by recent immigrants has got everyone, including morons, riled up. The morons channel their anger indiscriminately because their small brains are unable to distinguish between 1 brown man and another. You and your family will probably feel the effects of this worse than me and mine.

The current situation is alienating the decent hardworking Brits, when morons react indiscriminately it causes the limp wrist liberals to dismiss all opposition as racist and it fuels the segregation of communities. In short, bad immigrants have given good immigrants a bad name and inaction will tear this country apart.

My solution, return all failed asylum seekers NOW, only allow people in who have something to offer to Britain and give NOTHING to anyone until they or their parents have paid some tax. There should be no more apologizing for racial profiling, it makes sense, its not racist, its merely playing the odds and directing resources where they are most needed.

Lastly, they should implement a national, monthly, kick a Somalian contest. Whoever kicks the most, wins. At least then we actually get something out of immigration

There is so much more I would like to say, but it would take forever. I'll just ask everyone else some questions instead.

What are your thoughts on;

An Afghan single mother, who doesn't work, doesn't speak english and has no qualifications with 4 kids being given a million pound mansion to live in free of charge, paid for by taxpayers. Along with £50,000 a year in additional benefits for living expenses.

And share your opinion on;

All the recent stories of knife crime in the U.K (We all know it's the niggers and the muslims, lets not pretend otherwise)


Posted by HoldDaSalad on 02-24-2009 06:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Weirdman


Candyman - Sounds like you think logically, so tell me what are you planning on doing with your $13?


We won't see any of that money, Our state/school taxes will be raised so we'll still pay out more.

I feel bad for all you smokers in Ohio. The tax on those fuckers are going up as well, lol. I believe there being raised another $.60 so instead of paying $4.00 you'll be paying $4.60-$5.00 per pack. I don't have a problem with a cigarette tax because it's a nasty filthy habit and everyone should quit. But think about this. What would happen if everyone quit smoking?

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Posted by The CandyMan on 02-24-2009 06:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Weirdman
Candyman - Sounds like you think logically, so tell me what are you planning on doing with your $13?


Lol, yeah that HUGE tax incentive is really going to help. Only problem is now I have even less incentive to make more money (or rather report it ) as if I eventually make 150,000, or 200,000 or 250,000 a yearm which would be nice lol, but since no one seems to know as of yet what the cut off income level will be, well all have to guess, but either way I'll be paying more. So why do it?

Want to know how to fix this mess? Simple. Allow banks to close (happens all the time, do a google search, heck I know of a local savings and loan that closed 3 years ago right down the road from me), allow the auto industry to do a restructuring bankruptcy, put a freeze on capital gains tax, put a hold on income tax for 6 months (Social Security), reduce EVERYONE (personal and corporate) taxes and within a year will be out of this mess. Throwing good money after bad never works and you can't tax yourself into prosperity.

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Posted by David Cameron on 02-24-2009 06:40 PM:

Try paying $12 a pack of smokes. Thats what it costs us Brits for a packet , 90% tax

Labour has done more to fuck the hard working British peaople than any other government in history. Banned smoking in pubs, 100 pubs a day close. Pubs were a tax collecting paradise, now they are losing that income stream when they need it most. Fucking morons, fucking nanny state cuntroaches.


Posted by madd on 02-24-2009 06:40 PM:

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All the recent stories of knife crime in the U.K (We all know it's the niggers and the muslims, lets not pretend otherwise)

its not just knife crime. have you watched crime stoppers in the last couple of years, 99% of the wanted are black

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Posted by The CandyMan on 02-24-2009 06:43 PM:

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Originally posted by Jingofin
Try paying $12 a pack. Thats what it costs us Brits for a packet of smokes, 90% tax


Is that in Euros or US dollars? Holy Shit either way who can afford to fuckin smoke? Which is the whole idea isn't it though now here in the states they realize that since less people smoke they are taking in less money (taxes) and therefore now have to find other ways to replace the lose revenue by raising taxes in other areas. God I love the government.

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Posted by David Cameron on 02-24-2009 06:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
Is that in Euros or US dollars?


Thats dollars. Its roughly £6/$12 for 20 fags here.


Posted by madd on 02-24-2009 06:48 PM:

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Originally posted by Jingofin
Thats dollars. Its roughly £6/$12 for 20 fags here.

but you can buy imports off the bloke down the pub at £3 a pack

hows that work, i mean they are made in the uk shipped abroad and then bought back into the country by holiday goers and there still half the price
i can remember when ya could get 10 embassy and a box of matches for under £2

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Posted by David Cameron on 02-24-2009 06:54 PM:

Haha yeah. thats what pisses me off. I go to Spain, I buy a pack of smokes for half the price and on the side of the packet it says "Made in Britain". Its a fucking Joke Shop, a clown school headed by a fat, one eyed, pisshead Scottish cunt who is going to flush this country down the toilet before handing over the reins of a dead horse to a Tory Government that will have the thankless task of rebuilding what was once a prosperous and pleasant land. . Deeep Breath.

Vote Labour for a classless society.... Indeed, Labours tried its hardest to make everyone as poor as eachother. Closet Commie Cuntwarts.


Posted by Bakkoda on 02-24-2009 08:13 PM:

I grow my own food for the most part. I eat local beef (deerses), i grow potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, onions, pumpkins, lettuce (not very well sadly) and lots of other greens.

I take random online courses so I can file as a student indefinitely. I coach 2 soccer teams, one of them non-salaried and claim all those expenses as teaching costs. I ref soccer games on the side so any and all mileage from April 1st to November 1st are written off. Car maintenance is written off as business expenses. All my computer expenses are business expenses. I am the legal guardian of my younger brother who currently resides with me, more money back. Basically, I try to involve myself as little as possible with todays government on the day to day scale and when it comes to taxes and such, I fuck em and fuck em hard with no remorse for where that money comes from (sorry if it happens to be your pocket).

As far as government is concerned, I guess I would fall under the libertarian category. The future I see is lots of unemployment which will force people to look locally once again and start small home businesses and really invest in their community more, simply out of fear of wasting their money on big business (as it simply syphons it out of country) and state/fed governments thoughtless overspending. More mom and daughter home cleaning services, more father and son chimney and foundation repair. More local, people run government and less state/federal over regulation.

Im actually looking into breaking my land up (32 acres ATM) and selling it off to friends who will help grow food and shit. A mini collective.

Dont get me wrong, things will eventually evolve right back into where it was 10 years ago, those small business cant always stay small. But hopefully Ill have died by then.


Posted by David Cameron on 02-24-2009 08:47 PM:

Trying to pay as little tax as possible I can understand. But putting in claims to money you are not entitled to I do not condone. In fact, Bakkoda, you are borderline Gypsy.

Sounds like you are running a commune, you hate taxes yet you lay claim to tax other people have paid. You and your kind are the reason taxes are so high. Peasant.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 02-24-2009 09:58 PM:

Had always considered myself left of centre but have moved to the middle in the past few years. I believe that the Government should interfere with the individual person as little as possible but still feel that strong regulation of corporations is needed.

I'm for Health care for those who cannot afford it, welfare only for those who are unable to work and a minimum wage workfare program for the rest. I don't mind paying a reasonable rate of tax as long as long as services reflect it. Australia's point system for immigration appeals to me as well.

I used to be against the death penalty in all cases but lately, I find myself thinking that incarcerating people who cannot be rehabilitated for life is pointless and a huge waste of resources.


Posted by Munson on 02-24-2009 10:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
Trying to pay as little tax as possible I can understand. But putting in claims to money you are not entitled to I do not condone. In fact, Bakkoda, you are borderline Gypsy.

Sounds like you are running a commune, you hate taxes yet you lay claim to tax other people have paid. You and your kind are the reason taxes are so high. Peasant.



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Posted by sim-card on 02-24-2009 10:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by madd
agreed, i have no problem with foreign people coming here as long as they have something to offer. the problem is there is that many in the uk that dont work and never have done but they get a house paid for ,a car paid for and live on benifits. those are the one who should be fucked of back to there own country (or france) im sick of working my arse off paying stupid amounts of tax ect just to keep there sorry arses alive


having said that mate, there are PLENTY of native english people living in provided council estates claiming benifits etc. .so the problem lies on whether you have a problem providing for these lazy bastards in general or jus for illegal immigrants...either way non of them are working, one group just has a right to live in the country and the other doesn't....providing additional fukin strain to the economy.

what do you think mate?


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 02-24-2009 11:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Weirdman
Fuckmonkey - Obviously most people dont feel one side on all issues, but in reference to most issues/issues a person feels most passionatly about. Myself? i am pro-choice, dont care about gay marriage and dont beleive in god. i also support school prayer and 10 commandments in courthouses. go figure huh? and a 2 party system worked great 200 years ago, we do need a viable third party


It's fair to say most people have a leaning, which is what I think you were getting at in your post. But in trying to define what makes you lean one way or the other, I'd have to say I'm still stuck in the middle because my feelings on a borad range of issues within a certain spectrum (immigration policies, economy etc) vary widely.

A 2 party system worked 200 years ago when the average Joe knew very little about politics. We're a lot more informed these days yet we're still shackling ourselves to red and blue. The fact that minority parties are getting a look in lately indicates that the mood is shifting and people are beginning to question the value of the larger parties - even if that doesn't evolve another major party (and I doubt it will for the next twenty years or so) it still makes the larger parties buck their ideas up a bit. If we had proportional representation in national elections things would look a bit different over here!

However that said, I've gone off the mark of your original question which was ideological rather than political - though my answer is the same. Pretty much laissez-faire.


Posted by David Cameron on 02-24-2009 11:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sim-card
having said that mate, there are PLENTY of native english people living in provided council estates claiming benifits etc. .so the problem lies on whether you have a problem providing for these lazy bastards in general or jus for illegal immigrants...either way non of them are working, one group just has a right to live in the country and the other doesn't....providing additional fukin strain to the economy.



I hate this argument. Yes we have scum that already live here but what chance have we got of educating them when we continue to let more scum in. Increasing the number of benefit claiming dossers is not going to help matters. Its an idiotic argument to say well theres a bunch of scum living here already, we may as well let lots more in.


Posted by sim-card on 02-25-2009 12:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
I hate this argument. Yes we have scum that already live here but what chance have we got of educating them when we continue to let more scum in. Increasing the number of benefit claiming dossers is not going to help matters. Its an idiotic argument to say well theres a bunch of scum living here already, we may as well let lots more in.


it wasnt an argument, rather a thought, which is why i ended it the way i did...they provide extra financial strain and the money used to feed and shelter them could be used in other ways i.e to create initiative for the lazy fukers who already live here... I just think its pointless though when people specifically slam immigrants based soley on this argument, when it already exists...

I don't know what is wrong with having a points based system? why wouldnt labour implement such a system?..


Posted by wob on 02-25-2009 12:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
I hate this argument. Yes we have scum that already live here but what chance have we got of educating them when we continue to let more scum in. Increasing the number of benefit claiming dossers is not going to help matters. Its an idiotic argument to say well theres a bunch of scum living here already, we may as well let lots more in.


see this gets on my tits..the scum/lazy/etc are just little people who are trying to survive ,are they any more of a sponger than ceos of banks or politicians or the royal family??nope they aint...

ohhh and yourself actually being a member of this bored is prolly classed as scum by anyone in the movie/ entertainment business...


..this thread is about the left/right of our political views..im left but this country is right ie its a capitalist society..

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Posted by Weirdman on 02-25-2009 01:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
A 2 party system worked 200 years ago when the average Joe knew very little about politics. We're a lot more informed these days yet we're still shackling ourselves to red and blue.


There are many more resources and mediums for getting political knowledge now, and many people utilize that, however it seems the majority of Americans are still uninformed, latest count it is about 66,882,230 who dont even bother to pay any attention

ha, guess where i got that number

point is, while some are very informed, many are not

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