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Posted by CoWs` on 09-03-2003 06:48 AM:

yeh really, seriously simson, if you talk shit i will beat the living ass out of you...

Posted by kalvaitis007 on 09-03-2003 05:46 PM:

Re: LOL

quote:
Originally posted by simson
You guys don't really think someone isnt breaking copyright when you publish screenshots like crazy?


Nice English skills there, skippy. Do yourself a favor and quit while you're behind. Nothing makes you look worse than when you try to act like a super genius but start your paragraph off with a cluster-fucked double-negative like that.

Go home. Lay down. Consider a career in the food industry.

-K

Posted by BJQStorm on 09-03-2003 09:06 PM:

I haven't been an avid visitor to vcdquality as long as most people here, but I just want to add my 2 cents.

I agree that the letter was very distasteful, and could have been worded differently. But I do see how they can call the JPEG images infringement on their copyrights. If I were in the position of webmaster I probably would remove the JPEGs from the site as the site would still be the great site it is without them.

The latest letter states that "we would like a response at your earliest convenience" but when attempts to contact him prove futile that says to me that these letters are just meant to scare.

quote:
Paramount has recently learned that you are offering and/or distributing unauthorized copies of Paramount Motion Picture Properties through your web site located at "http://www.vcdquality.com."


Did this guy even look at the site?

quote:
This is a release news site only. It is impossible to download anything except jpeg samples from this site. Please DO NOT e-mail me asking where/how to download/buy anything mentioned on this site. Thanks -X69


That is taken from the main page as you all know, so where is the "offering and/or distributing"? There is none and he knows it. The only thing they have to stand on is the JPEG images of the movies.

The movie companies say that piracy is why they are losing money. That's BS and they know it. The real problem in my eyes is that it is entirely too expensive to go to the movie theater, and seeing a bad movie makes it even worse.

Let's say for example 15 movies come out a month (for sake of argument) and say you want to see 7 of them. Now say you want to take your spouse/significant other/whatever too. You can expect to pay around $20 for 1 movie once you add in concessions. Over the course of a year that's almost $2k. Take those same numbers and apply them to a family of 4. Even more money spent in a year. Then take into account this last fact
and I'm done. In 2001 out of 114,396 households in the U.S. 30% make less than $25k a year. So there are quite a lot of people in this country who can't afford to see all the movies they want to. So instead of targetting piracy maybe they should think about making it a bit more affordable to go to the movie theater.

Posted by simson on 09-03-2003 09:58 PM:

::Wrong Answer. We don't need people like you here. -K::

Posted by CoWs` on 09-04-2003 12:51 AM:

i wanted to see wat simson said

Posted by ^Om3n on 09-04-2003 09:35 AM:

So did i.

I don't believe there are copyright laws that take into account still shots from a film. Unless the shots are taken and distributed by the film studio. However i am not an expert in the least, and could be wrong.

ps. Kal has pMs so please excuse his rashness, ha.

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Posted by sleepnmojo on 09-05-2003 09:09 PM:

quote:
unauthorized copies of Paramount Motion Picture Properties

The Properties is the word you need to look at. Every frame of a movie is there property. They release shots of their movie so people get the image they want it to look like. By posting pictures of the movie, people might get a different impression of the movie. The shots are generally of lower quality, till you get to the screeners. Let's say a random person came to the site, then they might not know what the site is about. They look at the screenshot, and say, this looks like shit. You must remember, intelligence is not in them. Much like the people who voted for bush.

You wouldn't want someone taking something you made, and making it look worse than it was. They wanted the best possible look for angelina jolie's body in that skin tight outfit, so little boys could get off. Anything to degrade that is an injustice.

As I stated earlier, the screenshots would be their only property. Not the nfos, or the info page.

quote:
Originally posted by BJQStorm
The movie companies say that piracy is why they are losing money.


No its text messaging on cell phones. Thats their new claim.

They probably are losing money on a lot of movies, but I doubt piracy is the reason. I would say that its because they put $500 million behind ever movie, and 90% of them bomb. Rather than put the money behind the movies that have a decent script, which will make them money.

Posted by BJQStorm on 09-06-2003 05:37 PM:

quote:
No its text messaging on cell phones. Thats their new claim.


Yeah I read that article, and me and the wife got a good laugh out of it. It's amusing to see the movie companies blame everyone else for their shortcomings besides themselves.

The reason they aren't making money couldn't possibly be because they make awful movies... not at all...

Posted by 28_days_later on 09-08-2003 03:47 AM:

the part i love is that the movie companies try to disguise the failure of poor movies with poor excuses such as "txt messaging ruins the film industry." WHY NOT MAKE QUALITY MOVIES? bastards

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Posted by drbobsevilweb on 09-09-2003 12:19 AM:

Alex Wilson (man or weevil?)

Seems strange to me that 3 months have gone by and they've done nothing? A while ago Fox were shutting down sites left right and centre just for printing spoilers about buffy the vampire slayer!!!?

I doubt Paramount would be any different if they beleived that they had a case? surely they would have contacted your host and got them to shut you down while pending investigation at least??

and finally its Tomb Raider 2 for gawd sakes !!

Posted by shadowid60 on 09-25-2003 03:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MavyN
He probably doesnt know how to register, i mean hell, he doesnt know how to read that you CANT DOWNLOAD ANYTHING HERE...

anyways, best of luck x69..


Maby he figured out that he isnt even supposed to be here looking at the website. Even though he is *looks at the guest account thats logged in reading my post* Anyone got an IP yet?

Posted by Stroh on 10-04-2003 02:26 AM:

paramount

Hmm, it seems paramount has some sand in their vagina about you hosting pictures of 'bootleg' movies...
I'd be a dick and burn a cd full of pictures and mail it to them.
It might be worth it to remove the pics and replace them with copyrighted ones...

Posted by cooki2222 on 10-05-2003 07:37 PM:

Re: paramount

quote:
Originally posted by Stroh
Hmm, it seems paramount has some sand in their vagina about you hosting pictures of 'bootleg' movies...
I'd be a dick and burn a cd full of pictures and mail it to them.
It might be worth it to remove the pics and replace them with copyrighted ones...


The pics r there to show people the quality of a groups release why would they put copyrighted ones up.

Posted by ^Om3n on 10-06-2003 01:53 PM:

Lmao, right!!

Besides, doing that would give them the grounds they need to prosecute, not the smartest of moves to make.

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Posted by kevbud420 on 10-07-2003 05:53 PM:

Dennis's E-mail

Dennis L Wilson's e-mail:

[email protected]

Please e-mail this bum

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Posted by Condor on 10-28-2003 04:20 PM:

Lots of Reading

X69, not really sure if you are still receiving those letters. I do believe that they don’t have anything that they can do to your site, just as long as you don’t post those jpgs yourself (let someone else post those jpg for you – with or without your knowledge – as what the following case was presided on).
I am not sure either whether you have read the case of United States of America VS. David LaMacchia, wherein he was charged with copyright laws as being a Sysop of a BBS which was distributing bootleg software, but was later on dismissed. It’s an old case, not sure if the law has changed.
United States of America VS. David LaMacchia
Here are some arguments that his lawyer mentioned:

It is well-known that certain classified
advertisements for "_dating services_" found commonly in
some newspapers are really covers for high-class
*prostitution* rings. Yet only the people who actually
run the prostitution services are prosecuted for those
violations of law. Editors and publishers of the
newspapers are *not* prosecuted on some legal theory
that their classified sections -- and therefore they
themselves -- somehow "aided" or "conspired with" the
prostitution rings in the criminal prostitution
enterprise, even if the editors and publishers were well
aware of the fact that their newspapers were being mis-
used for an illegal purpose.

It is well-known that gambling "numbers" syndicates
utilize newspaper reports of scores of the outcomes of
certain athletic events, as the basis for illegal
sports-betting operations. Only the bookies are
criminally prosecuted for such gambling activity. The
newspapers -- their editors, publishers, and reporters
included -- are never criminally prosecuted for the
illegal activities of those who thus use the published
sports reports.

In nearly every lending library in the country,
there are one or more photocopying machines sitting in
the midst of large number of books, many of which are
copyrighted. Librarians surely understand that a
certain number of people who make photocopies on those
machines are copying *copyrighted* material, perhaps in
violation of the copyright laws. There does not appear
to be a criminal prosecution of any such librarians for
"aiding" or "facilitating" breaches of the copyright
laws.

The owner or manager of a bookstore may not be
criminally prosecuted for the distribution of obscene
material if, in a bookstore carrying a wide variety of
printed materials, a certain quantity of those materials
contain obscene portions. It does not even matter
whether the bookstore owner or manager suspects that
some of the material in the store may contain obscene
matter. It is not his or her legal responsibility to
monitor and censor such materials, according to the
United States Supreme Court. (_Smith v. California_,
361 U.S. 147 (1959))

Additionally, Letters by David LaMancchia’s lawyer

Posted by phpdood on 11-05-2003 07:48 AM:

Interesting...

well it's either my firewall or the JPG/samples have been taken out....?

I have done a little research and found that any movie production company "blah blah movies is copyrighted" thus they own all the copyrights and therefore they can "invade" any website displaying "illegal pictures" of that particular movie. Futhermore now the FBI can remotevly take over your machine and control it from a satalite (new PCs i suppose) However the samples where indeed getting a little out of hand maybe that's why they said "that's enough" and contact you. I do not work for them nor do i have any affiliation with them. What google does is index sites and it picks them up from other URLs thefore that is really nothing they can do but contact those particular sites which are hosting that particular contenet personally.


Question:


What if you where to host those images/samples in another country where piracy laws does not exist or is for private use, and if you where to make everyone log in and register there would be nothing they can do about it since you are using this site as private usage, of course that might piss some people off.

Anyways if you have an idea or maybe you could move vcdquality to another country where piracy laws does not exist. If so what country would that be ? a host in Finland ?

or some island near Central America ??

Posted by phpdood on 11-05-2003 07:49 AM:

Interesting...

well it's either my firewall or the JPG/samples have been taken out....?

I have done a little research and found that any movie production company "blah blah movies is copyrighted" thus they own all the copyrights and therefore they can "invade" any website displaying "illegal pictures" of that particular movie. Futhermore now the FBI can remotevly take over your machine and control it from a satalite (new PCs i suppose) However the samples where indeed getting a little out of hand maybe that's why they said "that's enough" and contact you. I do not work for them nor do i have any affiliation with them. What google does is index sites and it picks them up from other URLs thefore that is really nothing they can do but contact those particular sites which are hosting that particular contenet personally.


Question:


What if you where to host those images/samples in another country where piracy laws does not exist or is for private use, and if you where to make everyone log in and register there would be nothing they can do about it since you are using this site as private usage, of course that might piss some people off.

Anyways if you have an idea or maybe you could move vcdquality to another country where piracy laws does not exist. If so what country would that be ? a host in Finland ?

or some island near Central America ??

Posted by Zenman on 12-22-2003 01:49 AM:

Or use 1-800-fax-back and send him a shit load of junk fax.


quote:
Originally posted by sirghost
for those that want a cheap fast way of harrassing this guys fax machine...try:

http:\\www.uk-software.com/interfax


:P

mods if ur gonna delete this at least leave me a pm as to why..thx

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