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Posted by pHo on 08-20-2003 02:31 AM:

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Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
edit: Also, no disrespect to any of the younger VCDQuality users here, but i really don't think anyone under 17 or 18 should be watching these (Guinea Pig) movies. Especially Devil's Experiment. These movies are very graphic and unlike anything most of you kids out there will have ever seen or be quite so prepared for.

in the words of chubby michael "fuck the kids". the younger kids are forced to watch this movie the better. maybe it'll make em shut up for a change, and just stay at home n cry or something.

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Originally posted by chewiechew
It's about time someone ripped 'ICHI' too.

various editions have been ripped numerous times to various formats. Dutch R2 DVD is the one to get. cha-ching!

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Posted by sniper_411 on 08-20-2003 03:32 AM:

After reading the plot summarys for the guniea pig series, i was disgusted that you are recommended these things. I mean there is no point, just watching someone get tortured by some guy that kidnaps her, i mean is that the whole movie? or others getting tortured by stuff being stuck in their eyes. What is the point of these movies, to gross the hell out of you so that you become desensitized so when you go for a leisurly walk and you see someone get smoked by car and lie there bloody, that it doesnt affect you? or that you may even laugh. I mean correct me if i am wrong, hell i watched Cannibal Holocaust, Ferox and i am searching for Cannibal Holocaust 2, and i found them to be good movies (minus the senseless animal deaths) i just dont find a point to the guniea pig series, if there is one, i mean its just like some snuff film from the sounds of it. Someone here please tell me what i am missing and why these movies are good

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Posted by tphillip on 08-20-2003 04:07 AM:

sniper....You've seen Ferox? Are you POSITIVE....i think you're lying..I have seen Ferox, but I do not thing that you have seen it....if so what is hte best death scene?

Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 01:19 PM:

LOL Cannibal Ferox is shit. So is Cannibal Apocalypse and Cannibal Holocaust II (aka The Green Inferno).

I guess if your in to the harder Italian movies, go for an uncut print of Farwell Africa (also known as Africa Addio). Try watching that without squirming.

Also pHo, in retrospect, i agree with you to a certain extent maybe the younger show-off kids should be shown Guinea Pig 1. Like you say, maybe it'd shut them the fuck up and at the same time alter their view on movies for the rest of their life. Although i would still say any kid under the age of 12 or 13 should still not see the Guinea Pig movies. You have to admit, a movie like that is far too unpleasant for the really young to watch.

Rather than going to see some trumped up Hollywood crap, i think the kids of today should be shown a quality selection of Italian and Japanese explotation and trash cinema. Maybe then they'd think twice about hyping up the utter shit we're dealt out by today's directors.

Back then, i think the genre was at it's peak. These movies are classics (no matter how shit some of them are lol) and i can't see the movie industry ever reaching those kind of heights ever again.

Posted by kalvaitis007 on 08-20-2003 03:17 PM:

This has turned into the weirdest, most disturbing comments thread ever.

-K

Posted by -=kamamia-san=- on 08-20-2003 04:18 PM:

Damn, censored and awfull quality....not really surprising though, considering this disc was released in japan a couple of years ago and back then you couldn't even show pubic hair on screen over there...i guess i'll stick to my pixelated dvdrip until i find a better one...

I think the movie itself is quite good though, not nearly as thrashy as many people claim. Deodato really shows that he's a brilliant film-maker, i find this kind of realism he managed to pull off creates a quite disturbing atmosphere. How many italian exploitation movies can you name that actually have a kind of "social commentary" like, for example, Romero's films have? He's basically showing all these cruel acts of sadism to portrait the depravity of our species. Compare that to movies like Zombie Holocaust or Make them die slowly, who really just feartured lots of blood and gore to cash-in on the success of films like dawn of the dead or zombie flesh eaters.
Although i have to say, the fact that Deodato had his actors torture and kill real animals shows that he's no better than the characters in his film, and that's just plain unforgivable, no matter how fine a film-maker he is...

(btw, can anyone explain to me what this whole deal with the "pirhana-scene" is all about? i've never heard of that...)

As far as the Guinea Pig films are concerned: i think people who just go about saying those films are sick, or people who watch those films are sick seem to be overlooking one important fact: those film's aren't ment to be entertaining. They are disturbing and unpleasant to watch, and that's the whole point of it. Unlike your regular, "harmless" splatter movie, the gore and violence in Guinea Pig doesn't serve as a sort of "guilty pleasure" for horror-fans, they confront us with our own mortality and the frailty of our bodies. Even though i've been a horror-fan for many years now, i didn't enjoy watching the Guinea Pig movies at all, but they served as an experience witch i will remember for the rest of my entire life. And they made think about how quickly and easily a human life can come to an end, which is somthing that most of would rather not confront themselves with...

Posted by combat_evolved on 08-20-2003 04:55 PM:

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Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
LOL Cannibal Ferox is shit. So is Cannibal Apocalypse and Cannibal Holocaust II (aka The Green Inferno).

I guess if your in to the harder Italian movies, go for an uncut print of Farwell Africa (also known as Africa Addio). Try watching that without squirming.

Also pHo, in retrospect, i agree with you to a certain extent maybe the younger show-off kids should be shown Guinea Pig 1. Like you say, maybe it'd shut them the fuck up and at the same time alter their view on movies for the rest of their life. Although i would still say any kid under the age of 12 or 13 should still not see the Guinea Pig movies. You have to admit, a movie like that is far too unpleasant for the really young to watch.

Rather than going to see some trumped up Hollywood crap, i think the kids of today should be shown a quality selection of Italian and Japanese explotation and trash cinema. Maybe then they'd think twice about hyping up the utter shit we're dealt out by today's directors.

Back then, i think the genre was at it's peak. These movies are classics (no matter how shit some of them are lol) and i can't see the movie industry ever reaching those kind of heights ever again.

^^ your damn right, these old school italian exploitation movies will allways be the most shocking movies out there, even if some director did decide to make one now, it would be all top notch efffects and expensive camera equipment, that it would just look stupid. And yeah these movies do make you desensitized, god knows I am, but that doesn't mean im going to laugh at someone being smoked by a car at 80mph. Thing is, i can watch this shit because i know it's only a movie, now! If it was real, like a snuff movie, i wouldn't dare touching the shit.

Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 05:36 PM:

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Originally posted by combat_evolved
If it was real, like a snuff movie, i wouldn't dare touching the shit.

Snuff movies do not exist. Many people class the Faces Of Death series plus it's subsequent sequels and immitators and followers as 'snuff' movies.

These are not snuff. Snuff does not exist. These are what are known as 'mondo movies'. The majority of footage in these movies is staged and played out by actors. What little real footage is included in these movies is more often than not old archive news footage or amateur footage publically released to media.

There is no such thing as a snuff movie. At least there is no such thing as a 'snuff' movie that has been recovered and proven to exist. And if such a thing were to be found it would be a matter for the police and goverment agencies to deal with. The whole 'snuff' phenomenon arose several years ago and was coined by the media amongst mass hysteria after little Bobby Parker or whatever bought a copy of Faces Of Death at a market stall and took it home to show his friends who made copies etc etc etc.

It's all crap, and to be honest, i personally have seen all the FoD movies and many of their immitators and have gotten little out of them except a cheap laugh at how lame they are.

Posted by pHo on 08-20-2003 05:45 PM:

holocaust good, rest crap.

hmm, shall we just make a horror thread, kinda bit silly to talk about all this carp on a thread about a duped movie

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Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 05:55 PM:

Agreed. Let's have a horror thread.

Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 05:59 PM:

http://www.vcdquality.com/forum/sho...&threadid=26442

Continue thread there.

Posted by Moloko_Plus on 08-25-2003 11:34 PM:

Ok ive been lurking around this board for a few months and finally have something to say, since ive been in the italian movie scene for a long time a while back.
Snuff movies do exist, along with the most extreme of them being Snuff movies of children on top of unmentionable things happening to them. It mainly sources from Israel and other middle eastern countries, including Russia. Reports have come from Mexico from people trafficking in them being arrested by the FBI, and that goes for Snuff, havent heard about child pornography mixed with Snuff from Mexico but I have seen numerous reports of child pornography from: Russia, Mexico, and the middle east.
The serial killer Henry lee lucas was a courier of underage sex videos from reports and evidence gained by the FBI, i have heard of him trafficking in snuff movies mixed in with the aforementioned.
Its not a thing everyone likes to think about, so people tend to deny its existance above all. 8MM the movie touched Minorly on the subject, and during the commentary the director himself has said that it does exist and people who shun its existance are generally in denial and have not seen evidence.
Several years ago there was a report that was not made public about a massive ring of criminals from the middle east being busted by the officials for all ive mentioned that i read about at the time. I was rather young at the time but i remember reading about it from the FBI.
I hope this clears up a few things, but yes it does exist. Its next to impossible to find, i myself have never had the interest to find such filth and tend to put my interests into school work and computers.
-Chris

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