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Posted by zcar on 02-28-2002 10:29 AM:

ive grabbed this film now

well well well!!!!
i for one would like to thank these guys for putting out product that is a hell of a lot better than that dodgy ts
dont let a few peoples stupid opinions grind you down
keep releasing guys
we love you
and for all those muppets who posted that this was a fake release...........................
you look stupid now dont you
zcar

Posted by velma 2 on 02-28-2002 01:51 PM:

this release rocks...anyone who nukes it is lame.... excellent quality......the nuke should be lifted...... dds you got balls to release it as a svcd.... good job and keep em comin....

Posted by Vidi0t on 02-28-2002 04:29 PM:

Further Info:

I have now watched the complete movie and I did not encounter any problems while viewing. Great quality and good job.

Now people are saying that there are scenes missing....

Jeesh......

I have both the TMM and the SID releases and here are the runtimes:

SID: 98:52
TMM: 98:39

Neither release has the ending credits...
I don't understand why so many ppl are against this release.

GREAT JOB SID!!

Posted by Lord_Gandalf on 02-28-2002 05:16 PM:

For theatrical releases.. i dont see the point of nuking, its not like everyone has the sources to make a theatrical rip let alone the balls to do it. Unlike dvd rips we should just appreciate whatever is available...

HOWEVER If you do have the balls to do it and the cash to do it.. please don't make a movie under 100min onto 3 cds!!!!!... whats the point... Quality/Quantity can be made with 2 cds for that length.

My 2 cents

-LG

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Posted by champmeister on 02-28-2002 09:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MaSTaBLaSTa

post that on groupquality.com, but this is vcdquality
and truth be told this quality IS better
so stop being bitter that you cant get a copy of this movie and go watch your ts

I can guarantee you SID will not release anything like this ever again.

Posted by dumwaldo on 03-02-2002 04:01 AM:

3cd=no encoding skill

no comments on the release, this is regarding the discussion.

a 3 CD, 98 minute movie is plain and simple amature. never was a release more deserving of a nuke than this one.

there are 2 ways you can do things. the way that was used here is you can pump up the bitrate and say to hell with size. this method requries no skill, no effort and no education. the right way to do things would be to learn to encode. now this requires far more effort so its only natural that many people will opt for the first choice.

if someone takes the time to learn how to use filters, utilize different encoding methods and take the time to do some of the steps yourself instead of searching for a one click solution they can discover that when properly encoded you dont need an obscene amount of bitrate. if you can't encode a 49 minute SVCD that look outstanding then you are doing something wrong.

i think it is a pretty simple concept that is misunderstood by many. as i see it the essential problem is that most people dont encode, they just download and burn so all they know is what looks good to them. i honestly can not see how anybody with some encoding experience could justify a release this oversized.

as someone who does some encoding i can completely understand the reason for this release to be nuked. i would say it was nuked because you dont reward bad behavior. group releases should be able to meet up to a standard and if it can not meet that standard then it should be nuked. it seems SID is not able to encode up to that standard so instead they pump up the bitrate and 'fake it', then include a hostile, homophobic, obnoxious and immature nfo file to explain how its everybody else that doesnt know what they are doing. im sure that once SID's encoders figure out how to measure up to the standard that is expected they will be embraced by "the scene" but untill then they should be practicing elsewhere in a place that thier distribution of practice rips wont hold such a potential for harm by setting a poor example.

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Posted by napalmfuzz on 03-02-2002 04:12 AM:

blah blah blah

man you really thought long and hard about that didnt you... maybe when we see some of your releases that will become a valid statement

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Posted by zcar on 03-02-2002 07:29 AM:

I echo that

As someone with extensive actual practical experience gained in the reviewing of feature films i was particularly amused when this film was labelled a workprint. Any fool looking at this would be able to tell you exactly what the source was
TELECINE
No it didnt deserve a nuke and if it is so bloody easy to encode Dumbwaldo then why dont you get off your soapbox for 10 mins and offer some help re encoding this release. New groups need support not a huge knock back like this.
I understand and embrace an elitist stance to this scene. But i do not and will not accept blind nuking and wholesale dismisal of wht with a little tweaking is a great package.
to surmise
why not offer a bit of help eh?
zcar

Posted by dumwaldo on 03-02-2002 03:31 PM:

napalmfuzz
completely irrelevant point, what i do or don't do i will never admit to. i could be some jerk off that has no clue what he is talking about or i could be a person that encoded releases you have watched. i didnt flame, i offered an explination based on logic and facts, take it for what you want, its up to you.

zcar
my point is that it is not easy to encode, but it is easy to churn out a mega bitrate SVCD. i am not standing on a soapbox and the reason why i and probably nobody will ever help these twits is because rather than ask for help they tell the world that we are wrong and they know better, then they release poor quality encodes. ask any encoder for 3 sites to help learn how to encode and i can GUARANTEE that www.vcdhelp.com is in every encoders list. well head over to www.vcdhelp.com and look over their forum then come back and try to say i dont offer help to noobs, the problem is that SID does not believe they are noobs and they dont understand that you can encode quality SVCD's without knocking the bitrate out of the ballpark.

now i have to back you up on something that you said

quote:
Originally posted by zcar
Any fool looking at this would be able to tell you exactly what the source was
TELECINE

how completely true that statement is. i have no desire to watch this movie but i grabed the sample to see what all the hubub was about and boy was i surprised. there is no way on earth that this is from a DVD.
FACT: DVD's do not have projector noise in the picture.
on top of that quality encodes do not have visible interlacing lines like this release does. so not only is the bitrate to high it is also a mislabel.

now just to illustrate the point i am making with refrences you can relate to let me compare this to another SVCD release that was also bigger than it should have been. look at TCS's release of LOTR and ask yourself if this release from SID is better quality. if you answered no then you agree with what i am saying because not even LOTR used this high of a bitrate.

98 minutes divided by 3 CD's= just under 33 minutes per CD
178 minutes divided by 4 CD's= 44 and one half minutes per CD

i dont know how to explain this any better, i mean would you accept a 2 CD rip of a 44 minute TV show? thats what this release is doing.

how many of you are in school? what would happen if you had to do a 500 word report but turned in a 750 word report instead? you would immediatley fail without even having your report read by the professor because he would immediatley see you are unable to follow the direction given. "the scene" standards may not be perfect but they are in place for a reason. to stretch the standard a little bit is one thing but to go 50% over accaptable limits is just plain foolish. its practically a direct request to fail.

to summarize, this release is mislabeled and obscenley oversized and fair quality at best. it belongs on IRC not FTP sites that are used at the highest level of distribution.
what a sad waste of a source because these people have ego's larger than their brains. SID if you really want to contribute then help a group with real encoders out and pass them your source or spend a little time and figure out how to do it right.

[sarcasm]hey i just had a great idea, since quality is above all the most important thing about a release why dont all the groups just release uncompressed AVI's that run about 300 meg per minute, after all thats really the only way to duplicate the original with no quality loss. so what if a release is 40 or 50 CD's instead of 2, it will be better quality than a 2 CD copy so its a good idea.[sarcasm]

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Posted by zcar on 03-02-2002 05:36 PM:

lol fair points well made

Fair play!!
sensible points well argued and more importantly done with passion. It is a breath of fresh air to see someone who thinks about what he is writing and also is striving to improve the quality of what we watch.
Dumwaldo i salute you
zcar

Posted by Lord_Gandalf on 03-02-2002 08:03 PM:

I think u guys should just chill

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Posted by da5park on 03-02-2002 08:04 PM:

dumwaldo, what a refreshing post.

You just gotta agree with what he's posted,
well I know I do anyway

da5park

Posted by napalmfuzz on 03-02-2002 08:20 PM:

i understand completely what you are saying dude but i think your first post was more like a flame... this one is a better post in my opinion... and god damnit im tired of people flaming irc... leave each other alone cant we all just get along... watch out for P.T.P its almost time

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Posted by Halfmoon2 on 03-03-2002 03:25 PM:

Well I totally agree with dumwaldo, though my words a year ago were about the same as his, explaining scene standards on forums are impossible to teens. I gave up awhile ago and just read mostly now. But it's always good to hear someone speak of quality.

HM2

PS: Sup fuzz... =)

Posted by rainmanishere on 03-04-2002 01:49 AM:

thx

Posted by WDude on 03-11-2002 03:21 AM:

Re: ive grabbed this film now

quote:
Originally posted by zcar
well well well!!!!
i for one would like to thank these guys for putting out product that is a hell of a lot better than that dodgy ts
dont let a few peoples stupid opinions grind you down
keep releasing guys
we love you
and for all those muppets who posted that this was a fake release...........................
you look stupid now dont you
zcar

nicely said

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