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Posted by koodo on 07-21-2008 03:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
Eh? What? Presumably you don't look at ratings of new movies on IMDB very often but I'm not shitting you or agreeing with valvehead just to upset your delicate sensibilities... New movies DO get bumped up the list.

Batman has 1/6 of the total votes of The Godfather (for example) and the people rating right now are mostly people like yourself. As the number of votes increases the average will come down.

I'm not saying it's a bad movie, but the odds on it staying #1 are remote and your will probably end up eating crow within a few weeks

::EDIT:: Edited to remove a couple of flames as I *think* I now realise your previous post wasn't supposed to be having a go at me

Right. Was posted before I saw your views. The rest is noted but I doubt it. Hey only time will tell. Let's leave it at that.

Posted by koodo on 07-21-2008 03:33 PM:

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Originally posted by Objectivist Seal Hunter
"The Dark Knight is the new box office king.

Exceeding initial expectations, the film went on to shatter records left and right this weekend.

The most notable: the new Batman film is now the biggest debut ever in U.S. box office history, especially impressive for an opening on a non-holiday weekend.

The Dark Knight took in $155.34 million Fri-Sun.

That bests Spider-Man 3's 151.1 million in 2007."

"That bests Spider-Man 3's 151.1 million in 2007."

Interestingly enough did not even come close to being in IMDb’s top 250 movies. Come to think about it neither did Titanic, the highest grossing movie of all time. Hmmm. Food for thought.

Posted by David Cameron on 07-21-2008 06:42 PM:

This may be because Spiderman 3 was absolute dog shit, it was so shit, even Spiderman fans hated it.

Koodo, I don't understand what you arguing about, or who you are even arguing with, or why you are even arguing. A little bit of hype over a new movie and it's made you ejaculate a shitload of complete idiocy. You are making yourself look a cock.

This new Batman is supposed to be good but at the end of the day, its a sequel, its from a comic book, its not in the same league as movies like The Godfather, Pulp Fiction or Shawshank Redemption, it'll slip down the list in much the same way as Lord Of the Rings movies have. I still hope I enjoy the shit out of it when I see it though and I won't be losing any sleep over its predictable fall from the top spot.

Posted by koodo on 07-21-2008 08:32 PM:

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
This may be because Spiderman 3 was absolute dog shit, it was so shit, even Spiderman fans hated it.

Koodo, I don't understand what you arguing about, or who you are even arguing with, or why you are even arguing. A little bit of hype over a new movie and it's made you ejaculate a shitload of complete idiocy. You are making yourself look a cock.

This new Batman is supposed to be good but at the end of the day, its a sequel, its from a comic book, its not in the same league as movies like The Godfather, Pulp Fiction or Shawshank Redemption, it'll slip down the list in much the same way as Lord Of the Rings movies have. I still hope I enjoy the shit out of it when I see it though and I won't be losing any sleep over its
predictable fall from the top spot.

I have no idea what you are talking about and frankly don't care. Tell me the last time Godfather, made some 36 years ago, was displaced as #1 by a movie that subsequently dropped in the ratings. Then I may pay some heed to whatever you are yapping about. Until then shut your pie hole.

Posted by Neversoft on 07-21-2008 08:44 PM:

Posted by koodo on 07-21-2008 09:15 PM:

Not that bad I hope.

Posted by OSH on 07-21-2008 09:22 PM:

All this bickering.

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Posted by David Cameron on 07-21-2008 09:40 PM:

Koodo is a cock

That is all

Posted by koodo on 07-21-2008 09:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Koodo is a cock

That is all

Said the kettle to the teapot.

Posted by koodo on 07-21-2008 11:48 PM:

Holy dildo Batman. 91,097 votes in and we remain comfortably as #1. Did drop a point though. Have done the undoable by knocking off The Godfather. Fear we are in for a real dogfight now. Realize our efforts were little more then a flea on a donkey’s ass when it comes to the likes of The Godfather trilogy and Shawshank. But this is a very different generation. Kinda brings a tear to the eye.

Posted by FrodoBagginz on 07-22-2008 12:02 AM:

I doubt it will stay #1. I would like it to cause I have never seen Godfather and don't plan to cause it doesn't seem like my kind of movie.

But what TDK is doing is amazing. I don't believe Godfather has ever been taken off the #1 spot. Even The Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King only managed to take the #2 spot for a time.

But I think it will come down to TDK being in the top 10 or maybe the top 5 at this point. But I do hope it stays #1. That would be awesome.

The Unstoppable Force (The Dark Knight) has clashed with The Immovable Object (Godfather) in a battle for the #1 spot. It is going to be a tough battle.

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Posted by punzada on 07-22-2008 07:45 PM:

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Originally posted by FrodoBagginz
I doubt it will stay #1. I would like it to cause I have never seen Godfather and don't plan to cause it doesn't seem like my kind of movie.

But what TDK is doing is amazing. I don't believe Godfather has ever been taken off the #1 spot. Even The Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King only managed to take the #2 spot for a time.

But I think it will come down to TDK being in the top 10 or maybe the top 5 at this point. But I do hope it stays #1. That would be awesome.

The Unstoppable Force (The Dark Knight) has clashed with The Immovable Object (Godfather) in a battle for the #1 spot. It is going to be a tough battle.

God an overall bad idea, it would take a good contender for me to hate a post more then yours at the moment.

The Godfather was an amazing book with ties to real history and real life themes that was made into a movie with an amazing cast. It was a glowing example of cinematic greatness, not an overhyped comic book sequel.

On the brighter side, at least Dark Knight's hype is somewhat worth it I mean, dying during filming/production always leads to *amazing work,* let's just look at:
Game of Death
The Crow
Queen of the Damned

Posted by valvehead on 07-23-2008 06:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by koodo
"Just about every new movie jumps into imdb's top 100 for the week of release"

Got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Make your point with facts, not nonsense. Which nicely sums up the rest of your views...

...Interestingly enough did not even come close to being in IMDb’s top 250 movies. Come to think about it neither did Titanic, the highest grossing movie of all time. Hmmm. Food for thought.

Heads up dipshit, Titantic reached no.4 so don't tell me to back up my points with facts, then make up any old shit you think sounds good. It's easy to rip apart someone's post isn't it?
I'm know people with a bit more common sense will see I didn't literally mean every new movie jumps into the top 100, but movies that are expected to do well like ones with large fan bases, based on books, comics etc...

People who are dying to see this movie are going to be the first to cast their vote and are more likely to give it a postive rating, once a broader non-biased audience have viewed it the rating will drop. I'll admit it isn't going to drop much due to the amount of 10 votes it's getting and plus it's probably a great movie, I don't know as I haven't seen it yet.
But the amount of times I've looked at a new movie on imdb and next to the rating it says 'Top 250 #43', then the next week the rating has dropped loads and it's not even in the top 250 anymore, that's what I was on about. Grindhouse is one example, it was somewhere in the top 100 when it first came out, now it's not even in the top 250.

Also, The Godfather has been knocked off the top spot a number of times, it's been as low as no.14
The Dark Knight knocking it off the top spot and describing it as 'the changing of the guard' now that's probably 'the stupidest thing I've ever heard'.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching it but I think I'll wait a couple of weeks, hopefully all the mongs shouting at the screen thinking Batman can hear them will have seen it by then.

Posted by koodo on 07-24-2008 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by valvehead
Heads up dipshit, Titantic reached no.4 so don't tell me to back up my points with facts, then make up any old shit you think sounds good. It's easy to rip apart someone's post isn't it?
I'm know people with a bit more common sense will see I didn't literally mean every new movie jumps into the top 100, but movies that are expected to do well like ones with large fan bases, based on books, comics etc...

People who are dying to see this movie are going to be the first to cast their vote and are more likely to give it a postive rating, once a broader non-biased audience have viewed it the rating will drop. I'll admit it isn't going to drop much due to the amount of 10 votes it's getting and plus it's probably a great movie, I don't know as I haven't seen it yet.
But the amount of times I've looked at a new movie on imdb and next to the rating it says 'Top 250 #43', then the next week the rating has dropped loads and it's not even in the top 250 anymore, that's what I was on about. Grindhouse is one example, it was somewhere in the top 100 when it first came out, now it's not even in the top 250.

Also, The Godfather has been knocked off the top spot a number of times, it's been as low as no.14
The Dark Knight knocking it off the top spot and describing it as 'the changing of the guard' now that's probably 'the stupidest thing I've ever heard'.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching it but I think I'll wait a couple of weeks, hopefully all the mongs shouting at the screen thinking Batman can hear them will have seen it by then.

Some nice research here re Titanic and the displacement of Godfather as number one. Looked high and low for same type of info and just couldn’t find it. Too bad took so long to come to light. Statement that just about any new movie makes IMDb’s top 100 inane and was challenged as such. Without facts immediately threw discredit on your other views too. Especially the absurdity that ratings don't mean much, not with all the kids who will give it a 10 after watching the trailer. Less than 1% of all votes that have been cast are from those under 18. Look it up dipshit. As for the disposition of TDK time will tell but retain my views. No use yapping anymore on that subject

Posted by David Cameron on 07-24-2008 08:52 AM:

Valvehead stop. You are an idiot if you think Koodo will ever understand common sense, just go with it and be peaceful in the knowledge that you are better than him.

I'd ask him why he thinks The Dark Knight has ammassed the same number of votes in 7 days that Citizen Kane has in 67 years, but he'd probably just say its because Batman is better.

You can't win an argument with a retard, they are too stupid to know when they've lost.

Posted by bartleby on 07-24-2008 10:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by valvehead
I think I'll wait a couple of weeks, hopefully all the mongs shouting at the screen thinking Batman can hear them will have seen it by then.

This is what im going to do. It's actually what i always do. Theres always to many retards in the cinema within the first couple of weeks the movie is released.

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Posted by The CandyMan on 07-24-2008 05:35 PM:

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Originally posted by bartleby
This is what im going to do. It's actually what i always do. Theres always to many retards in the cinema within the first couple of weeks the movie is released.

Went last night and surprisingly only about 20% of the seats were sold (asked ticket girl) when we purchased our tickets at 9:55pm (showing started at 10pm) Ultrascreen too (3 times larger than regular screen with better sound system) so you would have thought even for a Wednesday night it would have been busier but apparently not.

Great movie, surpassed my expectations.

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Posted by koodo on 07-24-2008 06:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Valvehead stop. You are an idiot if you think Koodo will ever understand common sense, just go with it and be peaceful in the knowledge that you are better than him.

I'd ask him why he thinks The Dark Knight has ammassed the same number of votes in 7 days that Citizen Kane has in 67 years, but he'd probably just say its because Batman is better.

You can't win an argument with a retard, they are too stupid to know when they've lost.

Ah go away stupider than most. All relevant points have been made and you continue to yap. Professional help is just a telephone call away. As for Citizen Kane watched at least 3 times. Certainly in the same class as Godfather. Now shoo.

Posted by baha on 07-24-2008 08:20 PM:

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Originally posted by koodo
Ah go away stupider than most. All relevant points have been made and you continue to yap. Professional help is just a telephone call away. As for Citizen Kane watched at least 3 times. Certainly in the same class as Godfather. Now shoo.

No interest in the vitriol in this thread, but you're either naive or new to IMDB if you're not aware that in the last couple of years it's started to become a very poor measure of the quality of a new movie. Be it fanboydom rushing to rave about a movie, or, more likely IMO, studios finally acknowledging the impact that IMDB can have on box office and 'influencing' the ratings to get ticket sales, new movies are always overrated.

Check my post in the No Country For Old Men thread where it was #14 within the first week of release. http://forum.vcdq.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78675 It's at #99 now and will continue to slowly slide. Or check your own post in the Iron Man thread: you state #99, it's now #160. It's virtually the same for all blockbusters that are released. Am pretty sure The Departed was in at #4 before dropping down. However, a movie making the top 250 at all is a pretty good indicator that the movie is worth seeing. I've never seen a movie in straight at #1 with such a volume of votes before though (I've been using IMDB since the late 90's when it was acquired by Amazon, the company I worked for then was involved in a knowledge base project for Amazon).

And it is a justified entry. TDK exceeded all my expectations. The story was tight, brilliantly written, the characters were superbly developed - the Joker for example, we know nothing of his history (in this movie), but from conversations, sometimes anecdotal (such as Alfred's jungle bandit), the burning of the cash, his conversation with TF (in the hospital, where he says plans aren't his thing, he just wants to mess with order and establishment), his two versions of how he got his scars (lying to people for no reason/gain), his versions of Cruise's "You complete me", we gradually know everything we need to about him - the sheer brilliant pacing, the flaws in the characters (everything that I know to be the contradictions in Batman, Bruce Wayne's belief that Rachael will choose him, Harvey Dent's white knight in comparison to the Dark Knight...both of whom are the heads side of Harvey's coin)...just everything about the movie is fantastic.

Totally disagree with the notion that it has to be grounded in real world events to be considered a great movie. Much as The Lives of Others, Downfall and Requiem for a Dream are all brilliant films, the LotR movies, Sin City, and TDK are far more my cup of tea and IMO have performances equally as brilliant, writing that is as strong, and have visual artistry far superior to anything in the 'grounded' movies.

Not often that I see a movie on the big screen twice, but I'm planning to see this again on the biggest screen I possibly can, booking for the BFI IMAX...but booked solid (for anything but extreme wing seats) for the next 3 weeks. Worth the wait though, when movies are this good it's worth it!

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