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Posted by ghEtto^ghOst on 11-16-2002 10:04 PM:

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Originally posted by RaPpA

Umm im 100% true of my words, the qual is still overly too bright and the colors arent that good. It went through alot of filters as you can see, and if they were smart they would of cropped, sound still aint amazing..My ratings are perfectly fine, except for u dicksuckers that know shit.

haha ok rappa, whatever you say.

Posted by XTASY-Jones on 11-16-2002 10:47 PM:

I finally woke up from my coma and got this. Pretty good damn rls.

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Posted by your name here on 11-17-2002 01:19 AM:

finally got a chance to watch this rls props on the quality but fs i cant stand i had no other probs with this except the framerate thats what really killed it for me i really cant stand watching a movie that looks like they are moving in slow motion but hey its better then watching a movie and guessing what they are actually saying so thanx again for this rls

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Originally posted by deftones6

How are you rating the video and audio without actually having the movie????

Posted by pHo on 11-17-2002 01:26 AM:

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Originally posted by desertboy
I wonder PHO did you edit my post about CT-P in the jackass thread or was I just pissed and forgot to actually post it.

dunno be more specific. theres a bunch of people who can edit shit... i usually leave a mark if i've done stuff, unless i just remove a line at moderation, but with 112 posts i doubt ur in moderation still

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Posted by DerekJR321 on 11-17-2002 01:40 AM:

I dunno.. Audio is MUCH clearer but it seems to almost stutter for me. A friend of mine also downloaded it and has the same problem. The audio is in sync with the video, but its choppy.

Posted by lo.pro on 11-17-2002 01:45 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: cropped.....NO

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Originally posted by pHo

1. lo.pro knows a hella lot about shit, so you're really arguing with the wrong person
2. my DV cam shoots in letterbox and anamorphic widescreen without any problem at all, as do most these days.

edit :: i got bored and decided to prove it, as i've never been arsed with anamorphic shooting before.

http://vcdq.5u.com/widescreen.gif

the image is squeezed when viewed on the 4:3 viewfinder on the camera, then on edit the image comes out in 16:9 widescreen.

hehe thanx pHO

aside from pHo's irrefutable reply, there is the simple fact that what you said makes no sense, AgGz. you say:

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how could it be croped lol, i dunno about you but if no of a dv cam that records in ws can u let me no the model number of it cuz i would wanna buy it myself.

(pHo pretty much shut you up on that one.)

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when i said it wasn't croped i meant that when they capped it from their soucre they did put it in to vdub or tmpg and crop parts off,

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here (so as to not leave your post making absolutely no sense whatsoever) and assume that you meant "... they *didn't* put it into vdub...".

but even so, you're missing the point. no one cares how the encoder or the rest of the group goes about making a video WS or FS, or how they manage to get it right-side up, for that matter. whether or not the release is "cropped" has nothing to do with how it's encoded, as far as the watcher goes. whether it happens because the encoder blows up the frame & cuts off the sides, or whether it happens because the person with the cam only captures the middle of the screen in the camera frame, the result is the same: the image is missing the sides, it's "cropped". as to how it got that way, that's the group's business, it might be interesting (or not) to another group or another encoder, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the finished product. by your reasoning, i could hold my cam 6 inches from the screen, and then when I release a movie consisting of one square foot of blurry vid, neatly packaged up with borders and all, you would say "no, that's not cropped, that's the whole image, it's 100% full screen, it came like that straight from the DV cam!"

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and as for the widescreen the only way to get a NON dvdrip to widescreen is to add borders becuz on a ts its only gunna show up as how it was shot with the cam on a dvdrip u have options when u rip it to take away the bars or leave them cuz the movie already had bars and it was taken from its digital source that was already widescreen.

without delving too deeply into that confused set of serpentine pseudologic, let me just point out that, as far as i know, there's no such thing as 'anamorphic VCD'. so, anytime one sees a vcd that is advertised as "wide screen", that means that it must have been shot from such a perspective that the entire width of the cinema's screen is visible. naturally, this will mean that there are areas above and below the video image that will need to be blocked over (so as to cover up the curtained area above the screen, or the tops of the seats below it). what it does NOT mean is that some FS version of the movie, shot with a DV cam in such a way that the center of the screen completely fills the frame, is shrunk down & has some borders added to it.

what would be the point of that? "oh, hey guys, let's release a special "internal" version, as svcd, where we shrink the image size down and replace half of it with borders... oh, and while we're at it, we can fuck up the AR and call it wide screen, too!!!" "yeah, that sounds great, ppl will really want to get ahold of that one, but just won't be l33t enough! w00t!"

no. if, as you say, there was NO cropping done in some encoding program, but the video was shot "100% full screen", with the dv cam, then there is no possible way to make a WS version of the flick. where are the extra parts of the image going to come from? and if a WS version of a flick doesn't show a greater percentage of what was shown on the cinema's screen than does the FS version, what's the point of a WS version?

or do you figure that someone from ECO went into the theatre twice, and shot 2 versions of the movie, one in '100% full screen", and one in wide screen, just so they could have a nice widescreen internal for themselves? if so, props to ECO, because that's some extreme fxn shit; they've gotta be the hardest-workin' mofos in the whole scene.

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Posted by CraZY8 on 11-17-2002 02:54 AM:

confused

after reading all this shit
what does this mean
the video is missing the sides and some other parts of the screen?
cuz if its not the 'whole' screen here its not worth watching
can somone clarify that

Posted by HarryBum on 11-17-2002 04:01 AM:

Good work.

Rating it as a telesync - the only significant flaw in this is that it is cropped like a pan 'n scan tape, but that wasn't all bad, because it used all 240 lines of info instead of 180 or so, so the images are pretty crisp on a TV screen. If you can stand the cropping, the video is way, way better than the previous release.

And the sound is OK except for some very low hiss.

Well worth picking up.

Posted by opso on 11-17-2002 04:01 AM:

its perfectly fine, its like downloadin a FS dvdrip you miss out of some of the movie cause its not WS. Really watchable though.

Posted by K-FurY on 11-17-2002 06:56 AM:

DerekJR321, I have the exact same problem. When I play it on my standalone its really choppy; both video and sound. When I play it on PC tho, it plays perfectly, I havent tried it on more then one dvd player, ill try it on my friends tommorow and see if he has the same prob. Just curious DerekJR321, what kind of dvd player do u have? may be the same as mine.

Posted by frak on 11-17-2002 11:10 AM:

no way this release is a 7.6 video and 7.6 audio.

Again prolly just jpeg viewers voting.

1) the video sucks, better then the other release, but still blows.

2) the audio is junk and even cuts out for a period of about 45 seconds on disk 1.

3) It's also a non-standard VCD.

Video : 5
Audio: 4

-fraku

Posted by opso on 11-17-2002 11:18 AM:

your smokin crack. the audio is allmost flawless I didnt hear no cutouts at all maybe some high rises but no cutouts

Posted by M_J on 11-17-2002 11:27 AM:

6.6/6

Posted by Xport on 11-17-2002 03:19 PM:

Whoever doesn't like PROPER 8 Mile ECO is crazy, I got all three of the 8 Miles (FTF, ECO, TCF) on the net and this one is by far the best. I think its 8.1/8.5 and if anyone else wants to complain about the proper rip then go watch th FTF version.

Posted by sirryktor on 11-17-2002 04:41 PM:

Crazy8:

quote:

after reading all this shit
what does this mean
the video is missing the sides and some other parts of the screen?
cuz if its not the 'whole' screen here its not worth watching
can somone clarify that

Have you ever watched a full screen movie on cable, vhs, or tv? If you have then you probably missed 20% of the screen or more. Thats why there's a warning before most vhs that say "this movie has been formatted to fit your screen" or something like that. While widescreen or letterbox is defidently the way to go no matter what, it can be frusterating for some on 27" and smaller tv's or monitors to have half the already small screen taken up by black bars. So to make people think there getting the most out of their TV and compinsate for the average person who does not own a 55" projection tv, they cut the sides of the movie off so that the movie video is changed from a rectangle widescreen picture like movie theatres, to an almost perfect square fullscreen video like disney channel and nickelodeon shows

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I find it very annoying/hard to watch full screen pan and scan movies now that ive gotten used to widescreen with more and more dvds being widescreen only. Not only do you get the original intended theatrical version with widescreen, but you dont have pan and scan. Pan and scan is basically an artificial camera movement for fullscreen video where the screen moves horizontally across the picture so you can see everything the widescreen would have showed you without the extra, cheep, annoying, and wierd lookin picture movement.

Hope that helps a little as its hard to explain without using at least hands or a visual. Audio/video quality is a pet peve or mine so i'll try to be fare, but this version is BARELY watchable to me...

the video is decent for such a quick release, audio is also good enough to sit through but by no means good or great. As for teh movie i can not say enough, it has it all some action humor music f*ckin and a good story to carry those through... i recomend finding the new internal vcd just released which IS in widescreen and looks to have a sharper picture. I'll post a rating on that as soon as i have it. I give this release a 7/8/10.

Posted by desertboy on 11-17-2002 05:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo

dunno be more specific. theres a bunch of people who can edit shit... i usually leave a mark if i've done stuff, unless i just remove a line at moderation, but with 112 posts i doubt ur in moderation still

I was just ranting that CT-P while great have now to prove themselves again, the jackasss TS is nowhere near the quality most people make out here and I think it's because they haven't seen it yet they are just jumping on a bandwagon. I didn't realise I'd posted 112 times been here longer than I thought.

CT-P < TCF

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Posted by DerekJR321 on 11-17-2002 06:06 PM:

I have a Samsung Progressive Scan DVD-P721M. When I opened the .BIN file with VCD Gear and just played the MPEG on my PC, the audio was fine. No skipping or anything. But one again I played it in my DVD player and its real choppy. The intro song sounded delayed, and alot of the music thru CD1 sounded slow. Maybe its just the way I bured it.

Derek

Posted by K-FurY on 11-17-2002 06:16 PM:

its non-standard? thats probly why it plays fucked up on my dvd player, well i guess im gonna be picking up the tcf rls instead.

Posted by thedillybar on 11-17-2002 10:04 PM:

very nice. 100 times better than FTF. way to go.

Posted by vcduk2000 on 11-18-2002 03:28 PM:

pic and sound are very nice, but like some other posts, its very choppy in the dvd player, it must be a pal/ntsc thing

so if anyone has a solution to fix the framerate, then please post it here please.

many thanks

pete

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