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Posted by LoMan2 on 08-05-2003 04:21 AM:

Protect yourself ! , It is easy for us to say screw 'em all since it is not our ass on the line. I cannot speak for all but I could care less about still shots. I agree ANY images of these movies for PUBLIC exhibition ARE illegal and these MPAA dickheads just may screw your life up. They may just be blowing off steam, but they may not. I believe if you simply remove the .jpg all your problems will go away because there is NO WAY anything else I have seen on this site could be illegal. I like this site and would hate to see something happen to it or its' founders.

Posted by Flashbastard on 08-07-2003 01:27 AM:

Can someone tell me how Paramount, or anyone affiliated with Paramount, is able to enter the site if the information provided in the Legal Disclaimer is true?? And if the information is true in the disclaimer, has Paramount broken any laws by entering the site and subsequently sending the letter?

Posted by teen_wasteland on 08-07-2003 04:33 AM:

Basically, the information provided in the legal disclaimer is simply not true. The Internet Privacy Act or whatever is a myth and can be explained on snopes.com if you want to find out more about it.

Posted by TheDiggler on 08-07-2003 08:01 AM:

Because they are still images it may be possible to make a "fair use" stand. However the only way to really find out is going to court, if Paramount decided to move on the site. Do you really want to spend a ton of money to find out?

A company I worked with spent $150,000+ fighting a shareware author in court. In the end they lost and had to pay him $20,000 in addition to the $150,000+ in attorney fees. I am not that bright but $150,000+ to prevent paying someone $20,000! That was one little author I could not even imagine the weight of Paramount/Viacom.

I would take Paramount serious. Hosting on another server outside the country may be an option (Paramount may still make a move) or don't post any Paramount stills and of course take down all stills.

The ACLU or some privacy organization may be able to at least give some advice.

Posted by xlsvcd on 08-08-2003 12:48 AM:

You might want to add in your rules that NO films are downloaded from this website. You might want to add something along the lines of 'We DO NOT host films and we do not link to where you can download them'

add something like that to save your ass.

Posted by teen_wasteland on 08-08-2003 04:36 AM:

You're kidding right?

"This is a release news site only. It is impossible to download anything except jpeg samples from this site. Please DO NOT e-mail me asking where/how to download/buy anything mentioned on this site. Thanks -X69"

Right on the main page.

And that still isn't for the purpose of "saving his ass", because message or no message doesn't change the fact that movies aren't on this site. It's more for preventing stupid emails or questions from n00bs.

Posted by bitstream on 08-09-2003 09:11 PM:

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Posted by spikeman on 08-11-2003 10:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Aridhol
The first letter they MAY have a right to get those pictures off the site, BUT if this is the first request/warning you should just be able to remove and destroy the pics(on the hd's etc..) and everything will be fine.

They have NO RIGHTS over nfo's or opinions, those are not official paramount documents nor are they created by paramount employee's.

The second letter is just bullshit, there are no files hosted here, nor direct links.

YOU MUST respond to both letters, Explain the position i said above (with no swearing) and They have no legal recourse.

This guy has hit the mail on the head. Delete the Pics and the to be safe the name - rename all references to it as Tomb Waider 2 or something and do not mention any offical names. Send them a copy of the "No files on this site stuff" and that should be all you here. Tell them that you have complied with their request to remove any copyrightable material and ask them to inspect the site again, to make sure they are happy. They cannot have a go if you comply and offer to co-operate - but do this from a hotmail account or something to be on the safe side.

Posted by cofferscuffs on 08-12-2003 01:47 AM:

(00:43:25) —› topic: (cC\) changes topic to (NEWS: vcdquality.com domain seized by paramount due to us posting jpgs of Tomb Raider 2, so use WWW.VCDQ.COM from now.)

too late.

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Posted by Biznaz on 08-12-2003 02:45 AM:

vcdquality.com works from here..

Posted by Matteh on 08-12-2003 02:45 AM:

bastards...

*adds Paramount to his "list" *

when will this take effect? as soon as dns is updated or what? :\

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Posted by cofferscuffs on 08-12-2003 05:11 AM:

x69 said he's got his lawyer to try and file an injunction, as the domain is supposed to be transferred at noon pst tomorrow afaik, and no it wont be an instant thing as its the internet. so the domain name will work for a little while after the transfer.

although i dont hold out much hope for it.

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Posted by Chewsmoka on 08-12-2003 05:43 AM:

Who needs the .jpg's anyway?

Anyone who bases their comments of any release on a picture as we all know ( well those of us that know ) is a fucking moron.
Since the only purpose they really serve is for p2p using idiots to drool over. All I'm saying is, if you had to give into their wishes, I'd still visit as often as I do now, hell I wouldn't even care.

Good Luck.

P.S. - FUCK PARAMOUNT

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quote:
Originally posted by platinum_bomb
Dude, It wasn't there and still isn't... I was waiting to see what the pic looked like cuz the release was up, but there was no pic and i didn't find the sample, mo fo. Don't make me come and tie ur arms to ur chair and beat u silly with your own keyboard

lol

Will edit this after i get it.

Posted by horizonstar on 08-12-2003 07:48 AM:

Mad at the MPAA and feeling like you want to help out? Remember ... you too can donate to the site.

There are ~43,000 of us registered members right now. If only 1/4 of us donated $10 each (using the DONATE link on the main page), that would give X69 $100,000 to use to cover legal fees.

I just finished donating for the third time this year, and I'm a dirt poor student. Please consider doing your part too.

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Posted by The CandyMan on 08-12-2003 03:22 PM:

Re: A legal suggestion....

quote:
Originally posted by bitstream
Some friends of mine introduced me to prepaid legal services.

They are a large corporation and their business is comparable to

Good suggestion, I've been using them for the last 9 years for my businesses, and they are worth the $14.95 a month I pay. They assign you a local law firm, and the law firm here where I live is actually quite good. They have reviewed numerous business contracts, and have even sent letters on my behalf to certain local municipalities that would not let us do business (fund raising) there. Now we do, lol, thanks to having a lawyer on my side!

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Posted by Davy on 08-12-2003 08:42 PM:

Is it just me or has anyone else spotted that Paramount only wanted the Tomb Raider 2 jpg's took down, not any of their other releases. Its too late to do it now, but maybe that should have just been done

If everyone else is gonna donate to the cause to fight paramount, i'm up for it.

Posted by Simply Nate on 08-12-2003 09:43 PM:

I dont know if this is necessarily relevent, but if you go into google and search for Dennis L. Wilson, you'll find all kinds of websites who have received very simular letters from the same lawyer/lawfirm. How serious of a threat can it really be when so many others receive the same general letter, they cant all possibly have lawsuits pending...

The first hit states "This Fox lawyer, Dennis L. Wilson, is a disgrace to human kind"

Posted by 65dos on 08-12-2003 09:59 PM:

well I just donated, hope it helps you x69!

Posted by Senic on 08-13-2003 05:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Nate_Dawg
I dont know if this is necessarily relevent, but if you go into good and search for Dennis L. Wilson, you'll find all kinds of websites who have received very simular letters from the same lawyer/lawfirm. How serious of a threat can it really be when so many others receive the same general letter, they cant all possibly have lawsuits pending...

The first hit states "This Fox lawyer, Dennis L. Wilson, is a disgrace to human kind"

he sux, he didn't even know wtf he was talking about in those letters.

Posted by pHo on 08-13-2003 09:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by horizonstar
There are ~43,000 of us registered members right now. If only 1/4 of us donated $10 each (using the DONATE link on the main page), that would give X69 $100,000 to use to cover legal fees.

if ALL of you bastards donated $10, that'd buy mr pho a pretty badass house. consider it kids.

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