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Hello everyone,

We should clear a few things up,

First, there is no missing scenes, just a bad transition from cd2 to cd3, at the file split. Frodo is helped by the Elf Witch and begins to walk through the cave, the next frames are to be black for the transition strait to the catapult scene with burning balls. It is all there.

Second, I just finish a 2 disc re-encode of this four disc release. There are sync problems for sure. A skew correction must be applied to each dat file, the worst, after converted to mpeg is cd1 with a -1500ms skew correction,cd2 and cd3 are somewhere around -60 to -300, and cd4 was the least at -35ms skew correction. After this correction all files can successfully be merged.
Use VirtualDub Mod to do the audio correction, fastest,easiest and has instant preview during adjustments.

And last, VHS resolution is actually above 352x480, or 1/2D1. But since it's vertical resolution doesn't fall into the "D" standard, it is best to cap at the 480 vertical in order to maintain the detail. 480 horizontal would be a false cap seeing the max is 352 for orig source. DVDscr can be cap that way due to the fact it originates at 720x480. After cap, one can encode it to any resolution they like. But it is best to get the initial cap to be the closest in quality as the original source.

Hope this clears up some things.

hi m8

cheers for the info at least the whole film is there

many thanks

djtrixta

Re: out of sync sound resolved

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Originally posted by jbennett1974
Ok well i may be new to all this but everyones complaining about out of sync sound

Inititally i did have this problem using tmpgenc and various others

But as soon as i started using WOMBLE vcr hey presto no out of sync sound and a great copy on dvd

Plays and looks like a dream

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Nice release. Garbage at the bottem, just like the kill bill VHS scr.

8/9/1

NICE!

extract mpg's from .bin files with isobuster, join mpg's with womble mpeg vcr , author with tmpgenc dvd, burn to dvd. NICE! Barely any snyc problems at all, only slight ones very rarely.

p.s. www.vcdhelp.com has all the guides and tools you need

looks ok, this is from the sample... 7/7/10.....

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Audioscrobbler is awesome!

this realease was a blessing, as mystic said we can all shutup now we got sumpin worth while for this blockbuster i give it a 7/8/10 if the movie could be rated higher then ten id give it a 50

I first used iso buster, then seperately made them mpeg with womble before merging them with womble. Then it was even less out of sync.

Nice release AGAIN keep up that good work@RING 8 / 8/ 9,5

I usually dont bother with vcds but since i really wanted to se this movie a second time i downloaded it..damn i wish i didnt cause the quality of this vhsrip is shit. I dont see how anyone can say this is remotly close to a vhs source, i mean sometimes it looks like a fucking cam.

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I dont see how anyone can say this is remotly close to a vhs source, i mean sometimes it looks like a fucking cam. [/B]

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Actually i watched it in 4:3 mode on my 16:9 set. I must say i havnt watched alot of vhsrips on vcd, but i have watched alot of vhs and vhsrips and this is subpar. Not only is it out of sync half of the time it is also pixlated and muddy.

I dont understand why they did not make an svcd or cvd.

IMHO, I'd rather see this release nuked. Poor tracking from the VHS source, and an altogether messy release resulting in several minutes missing from the movie!

I'm sad to say this, because I was looking forward to see this movie again. For now, I'll just stick around, waiting for a PROPER release.

peewee_sweden,

There are no missing minutes from this release, please point out what you think is missing.

As far as SVCD or CVD goes, how come people think if the resolution is greater, then that would take care of the pixelation problem in a capture.
Pixelation comes from capturing too much data at too small of a bitrate with too high of a frame rate, but the keyword is "bitrate".

If they couldn't get a clean capture of the data at 352x240, what makes anyone think it would be captured ok at a higher resolution, which is even more data?

Yes, 352x480 is an ideal resolution to cap VHS, but only if you can maintain the bitrate during your capture, other wise it's usless and the resulting file would actually look worse than if you captured it at a smaller resolution.

For those having a problem with the audio sync ...I did... cd1 and cd 3 gave me problems. A great way to check if an MPEG has sync problems is to run it through VirtualDub-Mpeg2. If it is in sync in that program then it should be in sync when you put it onto cd or dvd. If it isnt in sync then what I did is to run the Mpeg through TMPGENC which will in the end give you a perfectly audio sync'd Mpeg.

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Originally posted by vinnyv07
For those having a problem with the audio sync ...I did... cd1 and cd 3 gave me problems. A great way to check if an MPEG has sync problems is to run it through VirtualDub-Mpeg2. If it is in sync in that program then it should be in sync when you put it onto cd or dvd. If it isnt in sync then what I did is to run the Mpeg through TMPGENC which will in the end give you a perfectly audio sync'd Mpeg.

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ShinSplint,

Hi, I agree with you, these problems should be adressed at the time of editiing, I mean they themselves say they were sitting on this for a long time, you would think they could have sat on it for abit longer and corrected the problems, isn't like there's 3 other groups releasing the screener.

But unforturnately, they didn't, and some would like to see this,(it is better than any TS), proper.

vinnyv07,

You can use that same VD mod to correct the audio faster than running a complete re-encode through TMPGEnc,(which doesn't always correct the problems).
In the audio settings use interleaving, adjust the skew, either + or - incriments, then preview each adjustment in VD until you get it synced, then save wav (now corrected), and run the corrected wav file through TMPGEnc, multiplex the audio with the orig vid and burn. 20 min per audio file transcoding is alot better than hours of re-encoding. To get you started the first cd needs a -1500ms skew correction. Make your adjustments in + or - 100ms incriments and as it gets closer to sync decrease the incriments.
It took me about an average of 12 minutes per file to correct the audio.

Hope this helps some of you.

You know I wish at times I had the sources these groups had when I see some of these releases, I can look at a release and tell whether or not the orig source was any good, even if the release is not. It kills me when I see perfectly good sources getting screwed up by inexpierenced encoders. I see all the time in their NFO's asking for 100mb dumbs, pre rel DVD's ect. when they should be asking for someone who knows what the hell their doing in the encoding field!! I mean I can take any source and edit, encode it and have it perfectly ready for release in under 2hours, but it took me years to get to that point. I have to ask myself, if I can fix their messed up releases in about 20min, how come they couldn't do it too. I guess the days when Screeners were released in avi format,( because VCD's and SVCD's weren't even popular let alone play in a DVD player), by the old Centropy, TCF,ect. are long gone.
But I guess everyones an expert in that field already.

PS: cd 4 is -35ms, I forget what the other two are , somewhere around -65 and -350ms I think, too many numbrs in my head to remember, lol, sorry.
Also use the second play button, (third button from the left), in VD to preview, and of course audio must be set to full process.

Thanks for the tip, gfavored. I'll have to play around with it tonight and see if I can get things back in sync. If anyone has the skew settings for the other three discs, how about posting them and helping everyone out?

One wonders if this source came from the Carmine Caridi collection.

i dont know if anyone is going to read this post since the release has been out for a while, but i suggest people check out the internal reencode by stfu, its only 2 cds instead of 4 and it looks just the same. i dont know if its on irc but check out your sites it should be there.

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KrackZaa,

STFU's release is out of sync also, for info on STFU's release and also for a 2disc release that is in sync go here:


http://forum.sharereactor.com/viewt...78b81c1b9954b09

there are plenty of sources.