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Originally posted by Jc100
I know this release is a dvdr, is it any better than the svcd? is the sound corrected and is it true stereo not that shit that sounds so low u gotta amp your stereos to max to hear? Im wondering, if this is a better download and worth a re-encode to svcd myself. I love the pic on svcd sound was to low though.

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Has it been determined whether or not this is just the SVCD re-encoded? And how about the audio? is it better in this release?

think it´s great

This release is a hell lot of better than the 4cd SVCD release.. compared some scenes with water.. and it´s alot more clear in this version.. you can really see the difference there.. i was happy about the SVCD release but hell.. this is MUCH better and no cd-changes..

will buy the retail when it comes out.. but until then this is just as good.. or better even. because this is NOW!!!

Jesus how hard can it be to read the other post in this tread? Stop asking ifs its the same as svcd and if the sound is better...its already been confirmed a few post back, if ya borthered to look.
Oh and by the way to put my vote in the discussion ...no it dos'nt need a 2 dvd version. Be happy that its here at all.

Well from all the info above I would have to say yes, this is a true DVDrip with the bitrate downsampled. The quality is superb for what it is. Only a picky spoiled pir8 would cry about this release.
The audio is TRUE 5.1 DD. This is not a svcd re-encode.

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Originally posted by Devnull
Has it been determined whether or not this is just the SVCD re-encoded? And how about the audio? is it better in this release?

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No, this is not the SVCD re-encoded. This was a direct copy of the screener DVD, with a lower bitrate to accomodate the consumer (4.7GB DVDR) instead of the pressed (9GB DVD9) the original was on.

Yes, the picture is better than the SVCD, and the sound is AC3 5.1 surround.

And why would you download the DVDR just to re-encode it to SVCD? That makes about 0 sense as you would just end up with...the SVCD release. Just get that and don't add the extra step.

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Originally posted by Devnull
Has it been determined whether or not this is just the SVCD re-encoded? And how about the audio? is it better in this release?

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Originally posted by PaulAAtreides



For the 100th FUCKING time, this is NOT, NOT, NOT, a SVCD re-encode!

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Originally posted by PaulAAtreides



For the 100th FUCKING time, this is NOT, NOT, NOT, a SVCD re-encode!

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Ok, I have a question, and it may sound stupid but can someone explain. If all other groups have no problems ripping their releases, IE Gangs of NY V4f sounds great and so do tcf's svcds, then why the hell does the svcd of this sound so low. My question on re-encode was maybe grabbing this and rencoded to svcd and keeping the good audio as obviously TDI rushed it out for props and not quality.

This is the saddest fucking thread I've ever seen Why do people try to post authoritatively on something they seem to know nothing about?

Let's just clear up some basics:

1. Production and screener DVDs are pressed using the DVD-9 format -- a dual layer format that can hold 8.54 billion BYTES (7.95 GB). That was the original format of this screener.

2. Group releases for DVD-R come in the form of DVD-5 -- a single layer format that can hold 4.7 billion bytes (4.35 GB)

3. The DVD specification was designed so that approximately 2 hours of high quality 720x480 29.97 fps video and audio could be fit on a DVD-5. This means the video would be encoded at approximately 5 Mbps. Studios usually make use of the extra space on the DVD-9 and encode their movies at significantly higher bitrates (generally between (6-7 Mbps). This higher bitrate produces noticably superior quality in home theater systems (HDTV's, etc)

4. At a little over 5 Mbps, a DVD-9 can just comfortably hold about 180 minutes of video with a 5.1 AC3 audio track and a 2ch AC3 track. This is why there was NOTHING else execpt a menu included on disc 1 of the original FOTR retail. You will also notice that there is a distinct improvement between the original FOTR and the extended edition which was encoded at a higher bitrate and split onto two DVD-9's.

5. Putting a 180 min movie (with 5.1 ac3, no less) on a DVD-5 requires encoding at approx 2.5 - 3 Mbps -- this is HALF what is recommended for good video and a THIRD of what most studios usually use for their releases. This bitrate is at the absolute bottom end of the MPEG-2 quality spectrum for 720x480 video -- in fact, you have to use special quantization matrices and a very good encoder to get a halfway decent result.

6. DVD video uses a 3:2 aspect ratio -- this is between 4:3 (traditional) and 16:9 (widescreen). When you play widescreen video on a display device that uses 4:3, the hardware has to stretch the video along the x axis using an interpolation algorithm to approximate the 16:9 aspect ratio. This means you are artifically increasing the resolution and it will actually tend to magnify any artifacts in the video.

7. SVCD video is encoded at 480x480 -- this is called half-D1 and is an approximation of standard NTSC resolution. This means that a well encoded SVCD will not look much worse than a DVD when viewed with a smaller, traditional TV.

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Hopefully that clears up some of the confusion about whether a CD can hold more than a DVD

Anyway, nice release! Although I definately agree that since this is such a popular movie, it might be nice to release an original quality internal so people who knew what they were doing could either split it or downsample it according to their own tastes.

:: agreed on all counts, except that half-D1 is 352x240/288 i thought, rather than SVCD spec of 480x480/576.. i might be wrong as i dont deal in DVDR, but thats what im lead to believe.. -pHo

help with svcd-dvd

I downloaded the svcd 4 cd dvd screener and i wanted to put it on a DVD+R. I copied the mpeg from disc one and burned it using Ulead. I played it and the video quality is amazing but the sound is completely out of sync. This only occurs on the DVD not at all on the SVCD.
I am sure I am completely doing it wrong because I have never done it before, but I would really appreciate any help that anyone may be generous enough to give.
please feel free to send me a response via PM.

many thanks

sorry if this isnt the appropriate forum.

Thats the problem with the alot of the groups in the scene. NO PRIDE IN THE WORK! Props to who & what? other humans? LOL!

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Originally posted by Jc100
Ok, I have a question, and it may sound stupid but can someone explain. If all other groups have no problems ripping their releases, IE Gangs of NY V4f sounds great and so do tcf's svcds, then why the hell does the svcd of this sound so low. My question on re-encode was maybe grabbing this and rencoded to svcd and keeping the good audio as obviously TDI rushed it out for props and not quality.

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the quality is amazing, anybody complaining about this release just stfu, go watch the cam if u dont like it ;P by far the best yet

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Originally posted by Araknofobia


Hey smartass,

Take a chillpill dude

several other people have replied to his question, no need to diss him even more...

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Re: help with svcd-dvd

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Originally posted by furturtle
I downloaded the svcd 4 cd dvd screener and i wanted to put it on a DVD+R. I copied the mpeg from disc one and burned it using Ulead. I played it and the video quality is amazing but the sound is completely out of sync. This only occurs on the DVD not at all on the SVCD.
I am sure I am completely doing it wrong because I have never done it before, but I would really appreciate any help that anyone may be generous enough to give.
please feel free to send me a response via PM.

many thanks

sorry if this isnt the appropriate forum.

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Hi
I will download this ntsc-version and the region fix. Thanks for it. But is it possible that there is a Pal-DvD-Screener with german-ac3 5.1 surround out?

Greetings

TK7381

Reign is releasing a 2 dvd-r version, in fact it's out, should be on here soon, seems people can have a choice now...

DVD-R The Lord Of The Rings Two Towers (2002) 166x50 MB REIGN