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Posted by zxie on 06-20-2005 09:46 PM:

Okay, IRC_Moviefan, can i participate in your constent too? I'll use screenshots from MoF release, i hope you won't deny that TUN and MoF releases are from the same source.

Lets start from comparison yours pics from russian TS and MoF TC:
TS: http://img76.echo.cx/img76/7923/32wp.jpg
MoF TC: http://img20.echo.cx/img20/6836/pic19rw.png

TS: http://img299.echo.cx/img299/5451/19iv.jpg
MoF TC: http://img20.echo.cx/img20/7239/pic29ps.png

And now comparison yours pics from REAL TC and MoF TC:
Your pic: http://img202.echo.cx/img202/9198/ss30eo.png
MoF TC: http://img20.echo.cx/img20/4562/pic35hs.png

Can you find ten differences, huh? ;-)

So don't smoke that strong herb anymore before you post anything, please. And also notice the fact that xvid from REAL TC appeared on torrents _after_ TUN release.

As for TUN release quality:
9/8/9

Posted by bdub on 06-20-2005 11:16 PM:

Very good. Sound muffled a bit but went away when ya turn down the bass a bit.

8,8,8

Posted by weedchemist on 06-21-2005 04:29 AM:

Just got done watching

Pretty good SVCD, I saw a bit of pixelation here and there, on my computer, this is the first rls in ages ive watched on my comp, no disks... but anyway it looked great, nothing too bad unless i go all up on the screen to look for imperfections. the only think i saw is that the color was wierd... certain parts looked right while the darker scenes were a little color void, but im assuming thats how it looks in theatres too but detail was great. The sound is ok not fantastic, a few missed words i didnt have to hear, I kept adjusting my comp sound system from more treble to more bass constantly during the movie, as I like the action to have bass and rumble, but that didnt help the muffling during speech scenes... any way enuff with this rls, decent flick its just missing something, maybe a believeable story line... or well ive seen alot of dumber films, i dont know what it lacks, but something even with great action, didnt keep me as into the movie...

8/7/7

Posted by IRC_Moviefan on 06-21-2005 04:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by zxie
Okay, IRC_Moviefan, can i participate in your constent too? I'll use screenshots from MoF release, i hope you won't deny that TUN and MoF releases are from the same source.

So don't smoke that strong herb anymore before you post anything, please. And also notice the fact that xvid from REAL TC appeared on torrents _after_ TUN release.

Yes TUN and MoF are same souce , obvious - The TUN SVCD , The MoF XviD and The METEOR DVDR all looked like ubber shite, they were not the .png jpegs as you so claim but yet the actual JPEG , those JPEGS were even nicer then the first TS from TUN (bootleg) , I didnt even post a jpeg of the first TUN TS , wasnt worth the time

The Russian TS is what TUN released as a TC ..

Actually the REAL TC was Russian Audio , Not English and still hasnt been scene released.

If those png pictures for any reason happen to be TUN & MoF's TC then they majory F'd it up from the source file. From the Source file compairing to TUN's "TC" , TUN & MoF would have had to mess up the AR on added a 16:9 crop makin them look stretched, added a blurr to the picture giving an out of focus effect at times. TUN would have also have had to mess with a color filter and added a brown/red ish tint to the actual film causing not only the tint but dull colors.

So either the real russian TC hasnt been scene released and TUN's "TC" is actually the russian TS .. (or) , TUN & MoF dont know how to crop or use filters worth a shit and major messed up a nice source file.

Seriously, are you tryin to say that this (vcdquality jpegs of TUN TC)
http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php...sample&id=53122
Is the same quality as:
http://img137.echo.cx/img137/546/ss26qa.png
http://img99.echo.cx/img99/1854/ss41fj.png

You did say ...

quote:
Originally posted by zxie
TUN and MoF releases are from the same source.

.. point proven.

/end rant

Posted by zxie on 06-21-2005 07:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by IRC_Moviefan
Yes TUN and MoF are same souce , obvious - The TUN SVCD , The MoF XviD and The METEOR DVDR all looked like ubber shite, they were not the .png jpegs as you so claim but yet the actual JPEG

I'm not torrents addicted, and MoF release the only one i have at home. So i took those comparison pngs for my post from actual MoF release. And it looks quite different from that TS as you might see.

quote:
Originally posted by IRC_Moviefan
The Russian TS is what TUN released as a TC ..

TUN/MoF/METEOR release is a REAL TC. There is another technical detail that proves it. As you might know movies in cinema (and on the reels) are on 24 frames per second. When you do a TS with PAL camera that shots at 25 fps there is appears a small flickering because of it, but actual movie length is exactly the same as in cinema. And when you do digital film-to-video transfer (telecine proccess) in PAL telecine machine scans every frame from the reels (remember that reels contains 24 fps movie). And to make 24 fps -> 25 fps conversion (PAL standard) movie just speeds up. So after PAL telecine proccess movie lenght is 4% shorter. Because of this audio needs speed up too.

If you check TUN TS release audio and compare it with TUN TC release, you'll find out that audio plays exactly 4% faster ;-)

quote:
Originally posted by IRC_Moviefan
Seriously, are you tryin to say that this (vcdquality jpegs of TUN TC) Is the same quality as:

Yea, they are. But don't compare shots from different scenes. I've posted above pngs from MoF release and it's clear that they are the same quality if not better. Another pic specially for you from MoF release:
http://img100.echo.cx/img100/722/pic48kj.png
If you have enough time to download shitty releases from torrents, then spend some time to check actual scene releases before posting.

Finally i see no reason for you to yelling. TUN released almost perfect telecine in a week after usa premiere, even before source leaked to torrents. Appreciate it or if you have something personal against TUN keep it inside, please.

Posted by sdotty313 on 06-21-2005 11:38 AM:

this was an okay release..the colors were a bit dull, sound a little muffled, shaky camera movement, but all in all a good release...8/8/7

and to IRC_Moviefan, you made your point, and good for you but stop bitching about it, the shit's still free no matter how you look at it, and you keep saying that you arent goint to give people the name of the website, okay you want a cookie....just shut the hell up about it, acting like they paying you or something

Posted by Hairyhamster on 06-21-2005 11:51 AM:

grainy but not bad

8/9

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Posted by nickels on 06-21-2005 03:07 PM:

Video = 8.5 Very good
Sound = 8 No major probs here.
Movie = 7

The video and sound are pretty much as good as you'd need them to be. It's 3 SVCDS of pure quality.

The movie is entertaining, but don't execpt too much. You definately have to suspend disbelief and don't nitpick at all of the unplausable action scenes. If you can do that then you might just enjoy this far fetched thrill fest. It could have used a bit more comedy, and the beginning is very slow.

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Posted by IRC_Moviefan on 06-21-2005 03:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by zxie
I'm not torrents addicted, and MoF release the only one i have at home. So i took those comparison pngs for my post from actual MoF release. And it looks quite different from that TS as you might see.

If you check TUN TS release audio and compare it with TUN TC release, you'll find out that audio plays exactly 4% faster ;-)

Finally i see no reason for you to yelling. TUN released almost perfect telecine in a week after usa premiere, even before source leaked to torrents. Appreciate it or if you have something personal against TUN keep it inside, please.

TUN's TS = NYC Silver (bootleg) , NTSC as usual in bootlegs .

TUN's TC = Russian TS , PAL

REAL TC = Not Scene released , PAL

So yes im not dumb i do know that PAL movies with NTSC audio need to be fixed, either sped up or slowed down. The Russian "TS" would have needed sound sped up , so your long post on fps and speed doesnt show too much

.

The Silver from USA would have played 4% slower then the PAL Russian TS (obvious)

Im tired of posting on this thread, im not yelling at TUN, all i posted was how this "TC" from TUN was far from "perfect" as you and so many others claim.

.. I Post "far from perfect" and all the TUN asskiss'rs flame me so i have to back it up as usual. Well proof was given.

Which leads me back to: Either the Real TC hasnt been released or TUN/MoF dont know how to encode and major messed it up from the source file.

Posted by zxie on 06-21-2005 04:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IRC_Moviefan
So yes im not dumb i do know that PAL movies with NTSC audio need to be fixed, either sped up or slowed down. The Russian "TS" would have needed sound sped up , so your long post on fps and speed doesnt show too much .

The Silver from USA would have played 4% slower then the PAL Russian TS (obvious)

Oh my god. Just think a little or go read some technical articles if you really believe in what you've posted above. Movies projects in cinema at 24 fps. And there is no differences between using NTSC or PAL camera in that case. Both PAL and NTSC camera will result in same video/audio speed.

Differences in speed between NTSC and PAL appears only during digital film-to-video transfer (telecine proccess).

Posted by mikethomey on 06-21-2005 04:53 PM:

did you ever think that maybe they keep the perfect TC for themselves...and release to you the shitty encode that they know your going to bitch about....just for a good laugh...

cuz thats what i would do....why bother trying to give top quality to a bunch of lazy kids who want to sell these movies rather then just share them....

thats why i love to see all the bitchen that goes down on these forums...i'd hate to be a mod (neversoft) lol

anyway for a FREE copy of the movie i give:

8/8/7(movie was cute)

to all the losers who care where these sources came from and why they didnt select the proper encoding tools.....

get a life or start doing it yourself

Posted by Fire_Sokar on 06-21-2005 05:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by zxie
Oh my god. Just think a little or go read some technical articles if you really believe in what you've posted above. Movies projects in cinema at 24 fps. And there is no differences between using NTSC or PAL camera in that case. Both PAL and NTSC camera will result in same video/audio speed.

Differences in speed between NTSC and PAL appears only during digital film-to-video transfer (telecine proccess).

Ok im sick of your little whinne bitch ass on this fucking forum. The copy Tun released is the Russian TS, No one has scene released the Russian TC. quit being an arrogant cock and stop telling people to go check when YOU need to go check. TUN stole this release from torrents plain and simple. you obviously think the screen would of shook that much on a tc? no it wouldnt. You cant come in here with 3 posts and act like you know what the fuck your talking about. so go away and stfu.

as for the quality on the release.
6 on audio its a little distorted
5 on video if rated as TC 8 if TS

like it or not. its the best english copy out so far.

Also on a side note. fps dont mean shit, it takes 20 minutes to change the frame rate and speed it up if u lower fps enough.

Posted by druss on 06-21-2005 06:58 PM:

ok pure and simple....

for lack of popcorn munching kids/laughter.
people with toilet retention dificulties
and sheer watchablity without paying for taxis/hotdogs/cinema fees etc...
10/10/8..

probs with scene rules and copied from russian etc etc i say bollocks (sorry) it was a great copy watched perfectly converted perfectly so perfectly good...now bite me!!!

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Posted by zxie on 06-21-2005 09:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fire_Sokar
Ok im sick of your little whinne bitch ass on this fucking forum. The copy Tun released is the Russian TS, No one has scene released the Russian TC. quit being an arrogant cock and stop telling people to go check when YOU need to go check. TUN stole this release from torrents plain and simple. you obviously think the screen would of shook that much on a tc? no it wouldnt. You cant come in here with 3 posts and act like you know what the fuck your talking about. so go away and stfu.

Oh, i'm so sorry. I forgot to ask you before posting, daddy :-)
If i understood you right TUN did a lot of work on this release. First of all they downloaded russian xvid telesync from torrents. Then they somehow added missing bottom to the video (as you might see TS is cropped on the bottom and MoF/TUN TC doesn't):
TS: http://img76.echo.cx/img76/7923/32wp.jpg
MoF: http://img20.echo.cx/img20/6836/pic19rw.png
After that they somehow manually sped up source by 4% and added english audio. And i don't say that shots from MoF release has much more vibrant colors and sharper picture (see the same screenshots above).

Posted by ilikb4istik on 06-22-2005 12:09 AM:

video looks a little grainy to me and audio has way to much bass,sounds kinda muffled,pretty good movie,decent release but could be better

Posted by krazyfoo on 06-22-2005 04:01 PM:

zxie... what are you doing bro?..

using jpegs provided by someone else.. and incorrectly claiming which release they are from... what a bold faced lie.

i jsut watched this release last night. and aside from everything already said here ... that generally proves the MoF/TUN rls to be a ts...

theres an obvious sign of a ts in BOTH rls's.. no NOT the jpegs/pngs you keep using (and switching around) .. but the actual video..

you can tell as anyone who owns a decent camera could.. that the camera re-adjusts the amount of light coming in etc... for each shot... (IE... scene is a dark scene... you see a brief.. 2-frame re-adjusting of the settings .. ... a bright scene comes about.. you see the same thing... anyone with an eye for detail can catch this occurance in many many many parts of this TS)

ffs stfu... about this being a TC.. its quite obviously not. and when this REAL TC pre's... (i guess not by TUN as they'd look like absolute wankers... kinda like you xzie) .. all of you will feel rather stupid.. Xzie wont feel stupid cuz he knows hes been lieing this whole time...

that or someone in a sister group got lied to by their bigger group and just cant shake that fact. stop the scene propaganda

and .. last but not least.. TUN with their logo contest.. GO F URSELF... i mean seriously gimme a fucking break.. you think your rockstars or some shit?

as for the quality of this TS.. quite nice.. 8/7/3 .... didnt finish the movie. just first couple cd's cuz.. ffs this movie sucked

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Posted by Gm4n on 06-22-2005 10:10 PM:

half decent release

7.5/7.5/6.5

i thought the movie would of been better

Posted by cirr0 on 06-23-2005 09:19 AM:

great TC 8/8/7

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Posted by krazyfoo on 06-23-2005 05:11 PM:

::POOP!

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Posted by THC_ReSiN on 06-23-2005 05:27 PM:

Great Great Great release. Excellent all the way around. I burnt the .mpg's to a DVD and plays like 1 piece.
9/9/9

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