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Posted by Chunky on 05-06-2002 06:12 AM:

Why is everyone bitching about XSVCD,SVCD and VCD, if it was just encoded to a nice DivX file, it would be, smaller, faster and easier to download and you could reencode it to whatever the fuck format you wanted to watch with your shitty dvd players. You all know DivX is a superior format for video when it comes to quality and compression due to it being MPEG4 over MPEG 1 or 2.

I know your all lazy and don't like to reencode movies, but why waste so much bandwidth downloading 3 cd's at like 1.8 gig as apposed to a comparatively small 700 meg at same or better quality?

I appologise this being a VCD site after all and me being a huge DivX fan, having dvd quality movies on a single CD. But it really is an inefficient way of distributing data. Lowering res to 352 x 288 rather than keeping it at around 720 x 572 and letting it take up double or even triple the space.

I feel sorry for all the ppl lowering the res by reencoding to VCD, just pay 50 bucks for a TV out card for your crappy PC's and you'll never worry about what format it's in ever again. Wheither it's XSVCD, VCD, SVCD, DVD, DivX or whatever appears in the future, and the quality will remain the same.

Posted by Richdawg on 05-06-2002 06:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by moviebootlegger
u people who keep sayin "its fucking free so dont bitch," thi is a forum. PEOPLE GIVE THEIR COMMENTS ON A FORUM. WE GIVE OUR INPUT ON WHAT WE THINK. SO IF ITS A SHITTY BOOTLEG WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SAY GREAT RELEASE FOR EFFORT. NO! WE TELL IT LIKE IT IS. IF SOMETHIN FUCKEd UP WE WILL CRITIQUE IT. I UNDERSTAND WE GET THIS FOR FREE BUT WE GOT A RIGTH TO SAY THIS RELEASE SUCKS ASS. THATS THE POINT OF THE FORUM. TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS WITH NO SUGAR COATING. GROUPS ENTER THE SCENE AND THEY KNOW PEOPLE WILL GIVE INPUT ON IT GOOD OR BAD. THAT HELPS THEM GET BETTER ALSO. dammit i hate people who constantly preach that gay ass saying every rls on this damn forum. PEOPLE MAKE BAD COMMENTS ON THE BOOTLEGS SO LIVE WITH IT!

this rls sounds nice but as i said b4 SVCD IS POINTLESS FOR A TS. REALLY GUYS. ONCE sOMEONE PROPERS THIS INTO VCD AND U GUYS WHO SUCKIN CTP's NUTS FOR THE QUALITY ON THIS SVCD WILL FEEL RETARDED FOR SAYIN SVCD WAS BETTER FOR THIS MOVIE. ITS THE SAME SHIT! AND YOU WILL C THAT AND THEN ITLL B ONE LESS CD. IM SURE THE QUALITY WILL B EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS FOR CTP BUT VCD SUITS THEIR TS's BETTER. THATS HOW IT IS AND THOSE WHO OPPOSE GIME ONE GOOD REASON WHY SVCD WAS BETTER FOR THIS MOVIE!

Again....someone realizes what this forum is for. If its crap then well say its crap. We know its free and can watch it in the movie theaters. Dont know why everyone is so debating when they give their opinion. I mean if we didnt diss FTF so much then they wouldnt get better. Think about that

But this release is pretty good to me, played fine on my Apex.

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Achilles97206
ok, I stand corrected... the matting is changing... so where the hell did this come from? it's not from a theater... has to be a workprint right?

working at a theater, i can second that because of the matting, it can't be done at a theater. or at least a *good* theater, due to lenses

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by turkey
ive seen this (all of it not the sample), and there is now way 3cds is needed for a TS. Total waste of 3rd cd. if it wasnt centropy you would be slaying the release groups asses

yes, 3 cds are needed for a SVCD. you can get around 60 mins on an (80 min) SVCD. but that's granted you have a clean source like DVD quality. it does suck, but for the quality if the rls, it's worth it. i'd be a naysayer of the quality was ANY worse than this or Life or Something Like It.

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by BigDook
To all those people who have posted on here with anything other than thanks and praise for Centropys release.

Non-SVCD compliant/swapping more cd's/WorkPrint or TS/SVCD rather than VCD!!!!

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!......if u have payed
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someone make me an admin!

we don't need 3-5 pages worth of pissing and main. we get the point. this has already been siad

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pennst26
Typically, (note typically) SVCDs 90 min or under use 2cds, anything higher should use three. I ripped "Eyes Wide Shut", and used 4cds just because of quality.

if there were others around when you were checking quality, you must've had to do a inconspicuously nonchalant pants check before jumping up and changing discs...

lol

Posted by zappenduster on 05-06-2002 06:56 AM:

ok i didnt see the movie yet but i got a idea for the ar changing and open matte (boom mik) problem
most of the movies get a workprint done mostly vhs but if the director wants it for cinema maybe only a little to show the movie to the studio bosses or what ever what if this copy did leak out to centropy there we got a workprint for cinema and a telesync is possible to done from that so whats the prob ?

i personally accept 3cd releases without any prob cause more bitrate means higher quality damn we got lines in mbit ranges hdds with more then 100 gig, cd writers that burn a cd in under 5min so why do u bother about a 3rd cd ?

Posted by Natural on 05-06-2002 09:09 AM:

Re: You guys need to reconsider

quote:
Originally posted by adamg
Uh...
1. centropy rlsd this after TEG
2. the TEG rls is 2 cds, centropy is 3
3. TEG's rls looks every bit as good as ctp's
why the hell are you all giving so much praise to centropy? Sheep.

LOL. yea upon comparing this to the subbed cam i really can't notice a difference. lol. jk of course. get some glasses guy

props to teg on a quick rls, but give some credit where it's due. i don't ride ctp's dick like a lot of people here, but i still gotta say this is a helluva nice rls. nice work

Posted by devilbeast on 05-06-2002 03:59 PM:

I'm not sayin ppl cant sway its a bad rls if it is, but really im just saying that when people complain that its not good enough for them thats when they need to shut up, its good that ppl comment so if a group does look they can do some of the things, but rly guygs gotta try and be a little nicer about it, they do this shit for us cmon give em some credit...even if it sux they atleast tried to get it for us free instead of paying but yea comment on the qual and shit like that thats good

Posted by Krakn3Dfx on 05-06-2002 04:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Div

Yep it is.. you can even see it in the sample.

It depends on the decoder quality. I get alot of blockiness on my PC at work which is a PII-350 w/ a crap ATI Rage Pro, but on my Apex 3201 at home, I get no blockiness in the fight scenes. It's just a sign that the decoder is not able to keep up and isn't across the board.

Posted by Hitman47 on 05-06-2002 09:12 PM:

i commend centropy on the wonderful, fast release, but seriously, i dont see what the need of SVCDs are. My dvd player cant play them, so really, i have to wait for a screener or a tc of this great movie. centropy if you read this PLEASE no more SVCD TS! thanx

Posted by EarlyGrace on 05-06-2002 09:42 PM:

I agree, most DVD players don't support SVCD, but almost every DVD player supports VCD. Pretend you are living in the eighties, and you are going to release a bootleg on Video Tape, do you choose Beta or VHS, Beta may be better in many ways but the vast majority have VHS.

To me it does not seem worth while buying another DVD player just to play SVCD's. If I want mpeg2 quality I will wait for the DVD to be released. I realize that SVCD Quality is much better because it is Mpeg2 instead of Mpeg1, but it can only be as good as its source and if it is a TS what is the point of making it a SVCD.

And if you watch your movies sitting infront of the computer then you are a lost cause.

EarlyGrace

Posted by philly b on 05-06-2002 09:54 PM:

quote:
Hey, FTF has: a) greatly improved their quality, b) created a lot of movies, c) released them faster than anyone, and d) has never done ANYTHING leech-like. (we're the leeches, remember?)

your the leech.

and keep these svcd TS's comin centropy.
if you cant play svcds buy a better dvd player or reencode.

Posted by conlia-98 on 05-06-2002 10:20 PM:

Kewl !!!

Gr8 release . Release more on SVCD they rock . No Blue Hue on This Release . audio also much better on Most ceNtropy Releases

Nice Intro

9/9/9

CoNLia98

Posted by y2dan on 05-06-2002 10:36 PM:

awesome rls.

Posted by 2B@D on 05-06-2002 11:11 PM:

What Can I Say, This Is ONE Top Quality Centropy Releases..

Props To You Guys.. Well Enjoyed This Release And WASENT diasapointed in the slightest!!! Exellent Stuff..

All I can really say is.. keep up the great Work Guys/Galz.. You Running the TS scene ;o)) AighT!!

Posted by Achilles97206 on 05-07-2002 12:34 AM:

All I'm going to say now is that I wish Centropy would learn about ASPECT RATIOS. This was filmed at 4:3 and then should have been matted down to 1.85:1 when they encoded it - instead, they squished down the 4:3 to 1.85:1 thus making everything look fat and then we have the actual hard-matting from the studio during all the effects shots, thus bringing those down to a wierd looking 2.35:1 or so.

Centropy: learn your aspect ratios and keep them in mind in the future.

My $.02

Posted by dumwaldo on 05-07-2002 01:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Gurpinder

i just checked out that claim by opening the sample in tmpgs demux tool (witch gives properties aswell and here is what it said :

video_stream 0x00 MPEG-2 Video 480x576 25fps 2500kbps
audio_stream 0x00 MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 44100Hz 224kbps

that seems pretty much like a PAL svcd and not an xsvcd to me.

first off what you are reading in TMPGEnc is wrong. i did the same thing and it said 480x567 for me as well so you did see that in TMPGEnc but that is wrong.

open the sample with windows media player and right click the screen and select properties and go to the details tab and you will see the correct resolution displayed there.

to verify it is oversized all you need to do is look at a few of the screen shots of other SVCDs on this site. go look at any 3 random SVCDs and then look at the jpg's for this release and you will see it is infact oversized.

BTW for future refrence you should always check your facts in more than one place before you say something. computer glitches are very common and when it comes to Tsunami's mpeg encoder it seems to have more glitches than most. personally i am getting very tired of it and i am considering trying panasonic's mpeg encoder.

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Posted by pHo on 05-07-2002 01:58 AM:

i did the caps for this rls, so i'll just do my thing...

afaik, its not xsvcd. centropy may try n pull the wool over ppls eyes with regard to bitrates, but they're usually ok about resolution.

Ok, standard NTSC SVCD resolution is 480x480. Fine. But thats 1:1 ratio, and our TVs are 4:3 right? take caps at 480x480 and the image is a cube, and looks distorted. So what happens is the hardware decodes the image from 1:1 to 4:3, giving us a new aspect ratio of 640x480 (the vertical resolution is the key here) which is now a nice rectangle perfect for watching on our 4:3 tvs.

However, PAL standard is 480x576. so again the image has to go thru the same conversion process as the NTSC image, and you'll find when the horizontal resolution is multiplied by 4/3 we get, 768.

As you might've guessed this image would be far to big for our site, so i scaled them down to NTSC standards, so they are exactly the same size as my SVCD caps. (i haven't done many in a while.. i do whatever stuff im sent or i can be bothered to do whilst bored) i should start watermarking my caps.. guarantee of quality lol

My opinion on the release? yeah its nice, props to them. But in my opinion , more care should've been take, the whole movie could've been cropped to 1.85:1 letterbox, and the bitrate reduced accordingly, hence fitting the movie onto 2xCDR80s without too much problem.

Centropy, you have the suppliers, just take a bit more time over your encoding now. Glad to see you've abolished rls'ing XVCDs as VCD, but u need to learn more about refining your SVCDs if you decide to continue with this path.

ps personally, i would make sure your dvd player was compatable playing DVD, VCD, SVCD, X(S)VCD in forced PAL/NTSC and CDR before purchase if this is what you want to play. I have a $500 DVD player for DVDs (a Sony) and a $150 Dansai that will play anything else. And wont fall apart :P

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Posted by Cmale3d on 05-07-2002 02:20 AM:

GOOD STUFF !!!!!

Spidy is awesome!!!!!--thx CTP

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