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Posted by OzZyOz on 01-09-2003 12:31 AM:

omfg what r u people bitching about! The picture my lord the picture is butt fucking beatiful even looks awesome on a computer. The sound the sound is fine could be better but until a DVDRIP comes out in a lot of months to come this is perfect great job TDI fuck all the people bitching about the sound!


Posted by Packet_Kiddie on 01-09-2003 12:31 AM:

Obligatory THANK U post

Okay, here's my "Thanks" for the release...

Anyhow, I checked the sample etc. and there's nothing to really mention that hasn't been said. In fact this post is a waste because I doubt the group's gonna see this, much less care.

Anyhow, Thanks guys for the screener...

May you have much beer and vagina in the new year!


Posted by Dwaggy on 01-09-2003 12:36 AM:

k, after burning cd1 and watching it all, i can safely say that my Dvd player might possibly have something excellent in it that removed the static.. or that my tv is great.. or..... SOMETHING

Atleast, the metallic effect is gone, and the hiss went with it..

Its still 41kb/s.. which is kind of silly :|

SO

9/7/10

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Posted by BreaL- on 01-09-2003 12:42 AM:

Unhappy Sound of on cd4

Hi I heard from a friend that the sound on cd 4 has a Loud shap sound Is this true. ? .

I would very much like 2 know.

Thx


Posted by puppydg68 on 01-09-2003 01:07 AM:

I too would love to see the DVDR of this, either DVD-9 to DVD5 downsampled with original soundtrack intact (similar to the harry potter2 and die another day rips). Or 2 DVD-5's for the same quality as the original. I do hope TDi has the DVD-9 sitting on a Hard drive somewhere and will answer our DVD-R wishes!

Thanks for an amazing post. Keep up the good work.


Posted by sdfjklsemicolon on 01-09-2003 01:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hoozdapimp


all you dumbshits complaining about the sound...if you don't know by now, all these groups doing the dvdrips use the same method...they use dvd2svcd.

Ripping a dvd properly as var as video concerned can make a big difference, hence the reason respectable groups like TCF can rip dvd video better than some n00b groups.

However, as far as sound is concerned, the only options you really have is what bitrate you want to encode at (im guessing this one is either 192 or 224 or else it would be nuked) which is totally fine. The last option you can choose is whether or not to downsample the audio from 48->44.1 Khz. Now if they leave it at 48khz some of you will start crying because 48khz (although better sound) will not play on your dvd players because 48 is not at the true svcd spec. If they downsample it to 44.1, (which they should to make it according to spec), then the rest of you will complain because their was a loss in quality from the original audio source.

Main point: I'm sure if this was released by TCF nothing about the sound would be said...why don't you just admit that TDi owns us all for this quick release and sTfU.



So let me get this straight, you are saying that you think that the source DVD had bad quality audio?


Posted by buttheaduk on 01-09-2003 01:26 AM:

MODS CLOSE THIS THREAD!


Posted by pHo on 01-09-2003 01:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hoozdapimp


all you dumbshits complaining about the sound...if you don't know by now, all these groups doing the dvdrips use the same method...they use dvd2svcd.



i think not.

any ripper worth his salt uses components, and not an all in one package, even if it uses some of these components in itself. if you dont know how to script in AVIsynth even to a small degree, you shouldn't be the one holding the disc.

as for audio, it should be done in BeSweet GUI or a similar tool, which allows proper control of the stream, and the baddownsample wouldn't occure. anyone releasing in 48khz is an idiot and shouldn't be congratulated for releasing in a better quality format, chances are you wouldn't be able to hear the difference if its done properly anyway.

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Posted by Trauma on 01-09-2003 01:43 AM:

Can't the sound be fixed with a certain program if it has issues?


Posted by ShortFuse on 01-09-2003 01:50 AM:

too all you ppl. the "metallic" sound problem exists, if you don't hear it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. for SOME it's inaudible, for others it's ANNOYING. it has to do w/ treble levels like i said b4, if you can lower the treble, it will be inaudible, but don't say that there isn't a problem cuz it's probably that the treble isn't set as high as other ppl have it.


Posted by M_J on 01-09-2003 02:11 AM:

this is the one to download folks.


Posted by hoozdapimp on 01-09-2003 02:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo


i think not.

any ripper worth his salt uses components, and not an all in one package, even if it uses some of these components in itself. if you dont know how to script in AVIsynth even to a small degree, you shouldn't be the one holding the disc.



Uh, last time I checked DVD2SVCD uses AVISynth and lets you put in whatever options that the current version of avisynth.dll will allow you to run.

quote:

as for audio, it should be done in BeSweet GUI or a similar tool, which allows proper control of the stream, and the baddownsample wouldn't occure. anyone releasing in 48khz is an idiot and shouldn't be congratulated for releasing in a better quality format, chances are you wouldn't be able to hear the difference if its done properly anyway.



once again, the audio is done in BeSweet in DVD2SVCD, and if you want to change the options in BESweet if you wanted to, but the default options have been set to give just about the best sound you can get.

In conclusion I don't really see why you would really want to do every step hand by hand. Don't get me wrong, I used to do this until DVD2SVCD became stable and utilized all the tools I preferred to use. Now, there is no real reason not to use the utility.


Posted by hoozdapimp on 01-09-2003 02:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by sdfjklsemicolon


So let me get this straight, you are saying that you think that the source DVD had bad quality audio?



It is quite possible they release the DVD Screener with worse quality audio until they have time to perfect the audio by the time the real dvd comes out.


Posted by pHo on 01-09-2003 02:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hoozdapimp


Uh, last time I checked DVD2SVCD uses AVISynth and lets you put in whatever options that the current version of avisynth.dll will allow you to run.

once again, the audio is done in BeSweet in DVD2SVCD, and if you want to change the options in BESweet if you wanted to, but the default options have been set to give just about the best sound you can get.



yep, but by doing it all by hand it forces you to do each step properly, rather than pass it over like what has happened here. look at iVs NFO for example, they're one of the best groups imo for quality releases, and they detail each step they did. no mention of DVD2SVCD. i've stated in the past i'd never use it, and i still stand by that fact.

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Posted by sdfjklsemicolon on 01-09-2003 02:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hoozdapimp


It is quite possible they release the DVD Screener with worse quality audio until they have time to perfect the audio by the time the real dvd comes out.



It would make little to no sense for them to do that since the majority of the awards TTT is going to be nominated for are likely to be technical awards, such as for sound. Don't forget that the real purpose of these DVDs is to convince Oscar voters to nominate and then give them awards. The last thing the studios would want to do is give them a bad impression of the sound.


Posted by godmoney on 01-09-2003 02:29 AM:

Just got done watching the first disc, and I must say I'm quite impressed. I've been waiting patiently and silently for this, and I'm pretty pleased. Video and Audio encdoding could of been better (it's not as good as TCF's Fellowship rip, one year ago), but overall I'm really happy with it.

Good job TDi!

9/8/10


Posted by mrbee on 01-09-2003 03:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo


yep, but by doing it all by hand it forces you to do each step properly, rather than pass it over like what has happened here. look at iVs NFO for example, they're one of the best groups imo for quality releases, and they detail each step they did. no mention of DVD2SVCD. i've stated in the past i'd never use it, and i still stand by that fact.



All ego trips aside there's really only one reason groups can NOT release with DVD2SVCD. Every though it looks better (CCE over TMPGEnc) and sounds better, there isn't a simple MPEG Tools | Merge/Cut for the encoded mpg out there. If you encode it via TMPGEnc then it's simple to cut out a SAMPLE. However, you use DVD2SVCD then good luck getting a sample.

Every single encode I've done looks better than any group release. I don't blame the groups because they're just following the scene standards of releasing a sample.

48Khz to 44.1Khz does result in a loss of quality but not a huge one to make a fuss about. The problem with this group releases is that don't detect the maximum db level without creating distortion. It use to be a guessing game but now azid can detect it with one-pass. My volume is around 20% with my svcds (homebrew) and group is around 50% to 60% volume level.

That isn't too much of a problem adjusting the volume (who cares). The problem is having to adjust it after 11pm up and down between 25% to 60% because of the huge fluctuations. With dvd2svcd/besweet it never gets too loud or too soft.

Now after saying all this will I still be dl'ing this release. Uhmmm hell yea.


Posted by Devnull on 01-09-2003 03:23 AM:

High pitched sounds are the first you lose. I've got some VCDs that had such awful high pitched noises it was painful to try to even watch them but my old man could watch them no problem. I think you just need to age a little so the noises don't bother you


Haven't gotten the release yet.


Posted by dopeuser8 on 01-09-2003 03:37 AM:

what it sounds like to me: (in my opinion)
1st, judging by TDi's rips of We Were Soldiers and Narc (I dont have every single TDi release) the ac3 5-channel audio is being converted to mp2 2-channel audio using only the front left and front right from the AC3, the reason I say this is the dialogue in both these movies are barely audible, but the sound effects are super loud. This is pretty much what would happen if you unhooked the center channel on your dolby digital system and played a dvd with 5.1 sound.
If you take the bad mp2 audio, and try to 'normalize' it with filters or whatever, basically you got to turn the super loud effects down to the level of the dialogue and other missing center channel info. Resulting in a very low volume overall with acceptable sound quality, but noticable distortions.
The better solution... learn to use the programs your using properly, and rip the shit properly from the start.
This isnt supposed to sound like a 'flame', just constructive critisism.


Posted by madmike on 01-09-2003 03:44 AM:

YOu guys are insane..

I am shocked people are bitching about the sound, this so called "whining" or hiss.. ok guys, lets see.. try this.. play nothing, turn your speakers up all the way, hmm you hear anything? Maybe a hiss or some people a whining? It is called interference.. Soooo.. hmm ok lets think.. Maybe if you demultiplex the audio from the video and then normalize the volume 400%, then put the audio back on.. hmm.. maybe just maybe.. Wow it is perfect!!! Sheesh people use your heads.. Easy as fuck to do.. Just re-encode the audio with TMPGenc.. leave the video alone, then multiplex the audio back onto the video!! Wow was that hard!?

Sheesh!!! lol..


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