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Posted by madd on 04-29-2009 07:18 PM:

support a true cause!

im signing up for a year on gold membership.
are you gonna help save britain?
BNP

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-29-2009 08:27 PM:

Re: support a true cause!

quote:
Originally posted by madd
im signing up for a year on gold membership.
are you gonna help save britain?
BNP

No

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 04-29-2009 08:30 PM:

Why not just save the £60 and buy yourself a blackjack and a balaclava? You'll be doing basically the same thing but without the stigma of being named later.


Posted by gezzer on 04-29-2009 09:37 PM:

I'd rather stick my nuts in paras' butt cheeks.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-30-2009 02:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
I'd rather stick my nuts in paras' butt cheeks.
I'd rather you now

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Posted by Objectivist Seal Hunter on 04-30-2009 02:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
I'd rather you now


What...

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-30-2009 02:46 AM:

VVV

quote:
Gold Members enjoy the same rights and status as ordinary members, but in recognition of their generosity in contributing double the normal membership fee they receive a BNP Gold badge for the year in which the membership begins. Gold Members rightly wear their special badges with pride as everyone else can see at a glance their ‘extra mile’ commitment to helping to fund the BNP’s continued progress.



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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-30-2009 08:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Objectivist Seal Hunter
What...
Oooops, hehe.

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Posted by baha on 04-30-2009 11:36 AM:

Re: VVV

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
quote:
Gold Members enjoy the same rights and status as ordinary members, but in recognition of their generosity in contributing double the normal membership fee they receive a BNP Gold badge for the year in which the membership begins. Gold Members rightly wear their special badges with pride as everyone else can see at a glance their ‘extra mile’ commitment to helping to fund the BNP’s continued progress.

AWE BLESS

A Blue Peter badge for retards...cool!

Look forward to seeing a government made of toilet rolls and double-sided sticky tape. (Actually, come to think of it, couldn't be much worse than the one we currently have made up of used toilet paper and double-edged promises )

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Posted by wosp on 04-30-2009 07:48 PM:

I believe in them.


Posted by David Cameron on 04-30-2009 07:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I believe in them.


Me too, i've seen one, they're real.


Posted by Bit_Confused on 04-30-2009 08:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
I'd rather you now



Somebody is anxious.

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Posted by aWe on 04-30-2009 08:27 PM:

What?

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Posted by gezzer on 04-30-2009 11:48 PM:

All joking aside what a bunch of nutters BNP are, my two youngest watched that documentary about them a couple of weeks ago they were incredulous that people like that actually exist.Pompey being a naval town we don't really have a problem with foreigners.Mind you, me and mine being sane we don't either.

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Posted by Neversoft on 05-01-2009 12:52 PM:

The BNP miss the irony that most of us would prefer to kick them out of the UK.

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Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-01-2009 04:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
The BNP miss the irony that most of us would prefer to kick them out of the UK.


Nope, i think most of us would prefer to kick the illegal and non working immigrants and their "PC" supporters out.

Just out of interest, and this goes for everyone that is seemingly anti-bnp. Which of their policies do you not agree with?


Posted by madd on 05-01-2009 06:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Nope, i think most of us would prefer to kick the illegal and non working immigrants and their "PC" supporters out.

Just out of interest, and this goes for everyone that is seemingly anti-bnp. Which of their policies do you not agree with?


my point exactly
i agree with all there policies

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-01-2009 07:07 PM:

I can't say I agree with the policies they don't publicise:

Whites only
The policy of allowing "white immigration" rather than "non-white immigration"
The removal of all anti-discrimination legislation, including those not directly linked to race
The open links to C18 and NF

I'm sure they do a good job of selecting their press releases and maybe some of what they say makes sense on the face of it, but it's the fact they don't seem willing to be open about everything they do (the closed off "family days" for example) and the overwhelming feeling that were they ever to be taken seriously enough to get a hold in the UK parliament they certainly wouldn't stop with their current "liberal" policies.

V for Vendetta would have seemed a lot more realistic if they were waving a BNP flag at the rallies.


Posted by bartleby on 05-01-2009 07:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
. Which of their policies do you not agree with?


quote:
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!

The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.



That bit is pretty fucking retarded. Corporal punishment ? I think time has proven that's not the right way to go about things, what with all the false arrests and people who've been sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit.

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Posted by gezzer on 05-01-2009 08:26 PM:

Give the police a free reign ,not fucking likely.

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Posted by madd on 05-01-2009 09:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bartleby
That bit is pretty fucking retarded. Corporal punishment ? I think time has proven that's not the right way to go about things, what with all the false arrests and people who've been sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit.


"in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed."

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-01-2009 09:47 PM:

DNA evidence isn't conclusive proof - not enough to enact a death sentence, as is the same with being caught red handed - that's pretty subjective to the person doing the catching.

It's another way of saying "lynch mobs".


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-01-2009 10:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
DNA evidence isn't conclusive proof - not enough to enact a death sentence, as is the same with being caught red handed - that's pretty subjective to the person doing the catching.

It's another way of saying "lynch mobs".



So using your train of thought, everyone is possibly innocent and no ones guilt can ever be proved beyond dispute?

And how is it another way of saying "lynch mobs"?


Posted by bartleby on 05-01-2009 11:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by madd
"in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed."


Like fuckmonkey said DNA is'nt conclusive proof , and the DNA bit only applies to Capital punishment. Also whats to stop 15 year old Sally lying about her age and having sex with 20 year old Joe technically making him a Peadophile , does he deserve to die for that ?

Corporal punishment would proberly be for the judge or police to decide and it's fucking barbaric , it does'nt belong in a civalised society. It would also have to be implied to all law... so if a child steals/ Or finds a stolen bicycle he deserves a fucking beating ? In that case why not just let the public take matters into their own hands and deal the "justice" out theirself ?

Like I said their stance on Crime and Punishment is retarded and about 300 years out of date.

Some of thier policies may be good but they're let down by their blatant racist , backward thinking.

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Posted by gezzer on 05-02-2009 12:11 AM:

So we have established that they will turn the police into the Gestapo and do a bit of ethnic cleansing other than that what other policies do they have?

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Posted by David Cameron on 05-02-2009 12:15 AM:

I would 100% agree with a BNP'esque party. Their policies are good, but just looking at their supporters and knowing how politics work, their published policies are watered down versions of what their real ideal is. I didn't read the actual policies, i'm too lazy but i'm betting 'whites only' isn't among them and that is what a lot of their supporters believe in now. Some of you may be old enough to remember 'The National Front', that used to suck in most of the nutters but since the government started arresting people simply for joining that party the closest thing the nutters have available to them is the BNP.

I hate half their members but I still think the party has a legitamate right to exist and any attempt to ban them is proof of how hypocritical the left leaning system we have today is. Socialist Labour party members may be laughed at but they aren't labelled as criminal and no public sector worker is banned from being a member of them and they are equally extreme in their beliefs as the BNP are.

It doesn't really matter what you think now, this country has gone down the pan again, its happened before it will happen again. It was called the Brain Drain last time, dunno what it'll be called this time but sure enough anyone with any intelligence and ambition will flee this fucking country as fast as they can.


Posted by wob on 05-02-2009 01:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Nope, i think most of us would prefer to kick the illegal and non working immigrants and their "PC" supporters out.

Just out of interest, and this goes for everyone that is seemingly anti-bnp. Which of their policies do you not agree with?



my grandad fought these people in the second world war ffs c18

heres a few of your m8s avenue



big fag sam and johnny and i think that might be you behind the gluebag avenue


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 01:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
my grandad fought these people in the second world war ffs c18




Your granda fought C18 in the 2nd world war??? Is that you on the timebond?


Posted by wob on 05-02-2009 01:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Your granda fought C18 in the 2nd world war??? Is that you on the timebond?


lol evostick..naw my point being c18 ie as you know 18 stands for ah ie adolf hitler,for the life of me i cant understand how anyone who knows how evil and wrong hitler was would even be assosiated with these type of people who have links and look upto adolf for example the BNP


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 02:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
lol evostick..naw my point being c18 ie as you know 18 stands for ah ie adolf hitler,for the life of me i cant understand how anyone who knows how evil and wrong hitler was would even be assosiated with these type of people who have links and look upto adolf for example the BNP


I don't support the BNP.
Don't know that much about them tbh as they aren't an electable party over here (although they're trying to drum up support) ,but the policies i have read are common sense, most of which i would like to see being taken on board by the "mainstream" parties.


Posted by wob on 05-02-2009 02:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
I don't support the BNP.
Don't know that much about them tbh as they aren't an electable party over here (although they're trying to drum up support) ,but the policies i have read are common sense, most of which i would like to see being taken on board by the "mainstream" parties.



ok 1st thing on their webpage is british jobs for british workers...now as a capitalist society(im a socialist btw) if im a boss i will put out my business to tender to get best price.if the winning tender brings over a boat full of itilians that will work cheaper then tough thats business..

2nd.On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

tough WE have been immigrating to other countries also ,the funny thing is most people say that the uk is getting filled with immigrants and they are sick of it BUT they also say they will immigrate outta the uk because of this lmfao ohh the irony


obviously the majority of their policies are easy on the eye they have to be,you look at the manifestos of all parties and id say they are all basically the same..


Posted by David Cameron on 05-02-2009 02:37 AM:

To think of Combat18 as the same as the BNP is just as ignorant as considering all muslims terrorists.


Posted by wob on 05-02-2009 02:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
To think of Combat18 as the same as the BNP is just as ignorant as considering all muslims terrorists.


well you go to links section and follow the trail


Posted by gezzer on 05-02-2009 09:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin


I hate half their members but I still think the party has a legitamate right to exist and any attempt to ban them is proof of how hypocritical the left leaning system we have today is. Socialist Labour party members may be laughed at but they aren't labelled as criminal and no public sector worker is banned from being a member of them and they are equally extreme in their beliefs as the BNP are.


You ain't wrong,I agree completely with not banning any political party, everyone no matter how extreme or lame has a right to air their views,that's how freedom works.As is our right to disagree with someone else's views. In my youth I used to belong to the socialist worker party until I realized what a bunch of head cases they were.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-02-2009 09:29 AM:

This is true, they're all a bit screwy. Point is BNP work hard to look as if they're normal where the others just get on with their agenda.

The amount of people who have been "expelled" from BNP and the amount of times they have been exposed through undercover filming shows that while they know how to push the buttons of the public they're clearly not "proud" enough to make their entire catalog of ideas known.

I'd go on record as saying I hate what C18 stand for, but I respect them for being honest about what they want and how they'd get it - as such I wouldn't piss on them after I'd set them on fire. BNP however are just too slimy for me to have any respect for them; and that's after we've suffered this god-awful Labour government too!


Posted by wosp on 05-02-2009 12:46 PM:

I think the BNP just say what most British people are thinking.

... and I mean British, not "I have a British passport" and was born here people.


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-02-2009 12:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I think the BNP just say what most British people are thinking.


Of course they do, how else would they get votes. Most British people aren't inclined to kick in the doors of "the darkies down the road" and smack their heads in with baseball bats though.


Posted by bartleby on 05-02-2009 03:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I think the BNP just say what most British people are thinking.

... and I mean British, not "I have a British passport" and was born here people.



If they have a british passport and were born here , would'nt that make them british ?

Why not just stop beating round the bush and say "whites".

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Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 03:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin

I hate half their members but I still think the party has a legitamate right to exist and any attempt to ban them is proof of how hypocritical the left leaning system we have today is.



Of course they have a right to exist but lol at their supporters and anyone who is convinced by their populist rhetoric and policies on their homepage. Also censorship is equally prevalent on the right.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 03:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I think the BNP just say what most British people are thinking.



I doubt you could call 4% of the British electorate "most British people."


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 06:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
I doubt you could call 4% of the British electorate "most British people."


Read what wosp said again, and i agree with it. But i guess as with all parties what they say in their policies and what they actually do, are two different things

You don't understand because you're one of these backwards southern irish chav tarmac types that brown-nose people better than you...now get your nose out of my walnut valve


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 06:09 PM:

If most British people were thinking it, surely they would get more votes. Can you handle this logic or is it a step too far for you?


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 06:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
If most British people were thinking it, surely they would get more votes. Can you handle this logic or is it a step too far for you?


Like i said, you silly backwards irish folk don't understand

Agreeing with some/most of an "extreme" parties policies is completely different to actually voting for said party...comprendhe?


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 06:57 PM:

Oh, what you're saying is, what British people really do is pick a party whose policies they agree with, whose cause they sympathise with and vote for a completely different party instead. We actually do it the other way around here in Ireland so forgive me for getting it wrong.

Also lol at your reasoning that people won't vote for them just because they don't want to be associated with an "extreme" party. Yes, that's the reason champ. The majority of the Bnp's support base is working class and sub class people with little or no education. Do you think they know better than the rest of the British electorate. Are they the only ones who aren't afraid to speak their mind and vote for who they truly want in power?

Can you actually answer this coherently without another completely irrelevant reference to me being Irish. Are you even capable?



PS. I highly doubt Wosp's (and yours infinitely more so for that matter) circle of friends and family" is a fair representation of "most British people."


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 07:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
We actually do it the other way around here in Ireland so forgive me for getting it wrong.



Yep, this is because you are irish. I forgive you


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 07:53 PM:

lol, I didn't think so.


Posted by wosp on 05-02-2009 07:53 PM:

Don't get me started on these immigrant-cuddling "one world" fuckers.

Edit: Fionn from what I see Ireland does not have the issues that are here in England. If the area you grew up in went from about 1% to 90% non-white English over the last 20 years maybe you would understand.


Posted by bartleby on 05-02-2009 07:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
Don't get me started on these immigrant-cuddling "one world" fuckers.


Now what the fuck are you talking about ?

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Posted by wosp on 05-02-2009 08:11 PM:

Read my edit above bartleby. I think that a lot of people who slate the BNP are the people who are not effected much by the tide of immigration that has hit this nation.


Posted by bartleby on 05-02-2009 08:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
Read my edit above bartleby. I think that a lot of people who slate the BNP are the people who are not effected much by the tide of immigration that has hit this nation.


Where exactly is it that you live that has a 90% non-white population , that seems like a huge exaggeration.

TBH I think you have trouble finding statistics that said any one city had less than a 75% white population.

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Posted by wosp on 05-02-2009 08:34 PM:

I used to live in Hounslow and yeah the figures are obviously exaggerated. From my childhood memories of what it was like to what it is now is alarming. I challenge any English white person to walk through the High Street and tell me they would raise a family in that area. That is the reality of it.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 08:38 PM:

11% of people in Ireland are Immigrants. Whether they are white or not is of no importance to me whatsoever but you are entitled to your opinion.

I am not a "one world" fucker. Looking at it from the outside, I think that Britain immigration policy has been much too liberal. That doesn't mean that If I was a British citizen, I would be unable to see the Bnp for what they are.


Posted by wosp on 05-02-2009 08:55 PM:

I understand that Fionn and I think the BNP do themselves no favours in the way they portray themselves.

IMO the more support they get, the more likely the main political parties will take note and toughen up on their immigration related policies.

Anyway going out now and I will be very fucking surprised if this isn't in the pink-prison when I next check!


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 09:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool


I am not a "one world" fucker. Looking at it from the outside, I think that Britain immigration policy has been much too liberal. That doesn't mean that If I was a British citizen, I would be unable to see the Bnp for what they are.



Wow! you're finally understanding, Agreeing with an "extreme" parties public policies and voting for the party are two different things!

Congrats


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 09:28 PM:

Agreeing that Britain's immigration policy has been too liberal does not even come close to agreeing with all or most of their policies. Lol at you not even being able to grasp that. I see the problem here, you are too stupid and ignorant to debate me. Forget about it dude.


Posted by Objectivist Seal Hunter on 05-02-2009 09:35 PM:

Wth is this thread even about?

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Posted by David Cameron on 05-02-2009 09:35 PM:

Fionn did kind of contradict herself there .

UKIP's policies are good too but I don't have a UKIP candidate in my constituency to vote for, or a BNP one for that matter , (not for MP but we had some on the local council ballot ) so I vote for a candidate who has a chance of winning and who's agenda most closely matches my own (I'll let you work out who that is for yourselves)


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 09:45 PM:

No I didn't.

Ok.

The Communist party of Britain.

Policies: The importance of democracy and freedom in everyday life, and the placement of particular emphasis on the freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
The full separation of church and state, with religion treated as an entirely private matter

I assume you agree with these two policies. Does that mean that you agree with all or most of their policies. Does the fact that most people would agree with those two policies mean that the communist party says what most people think?

Use your head please.


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 10:27 PM:

Are you actually stupid or are you arguing just for the sake of it?

The point you are trying to make is backing up mine and contradicting the shite you've been posting. Just because you agree with some policies, doesn't mean you will vote for that party


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-02-2009 10:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I used to live in Hounslow and yeah the figures are obviously exaggerated. From my childhood memories of what it was like to what it is now is alarming. I challenge any English white person to walk through the High Street and tell me they would raise a family in that area. That is the reality of it.


I have to disagree with that, having been raised in a predominantly white area which was as full of chav scum then as it is now it's more mixed - probably around 7:3 I would estimate.

Socioeconomic issues which drive the safety/perception of a neighbourhood have very little to do with race, and more to do with conurbation. In the same way brits going to Spain will often choose to stay in an English speaking area, foreign nationals coming to live here temporarily or otherwise will also flock to their own community for the convenience it provides.

More to the point I haven't seen Spain, Australia, Canada etc lobbying to kick out the English who are coming over there and stealing their jobs/women/alcohol reserves. Is that because it's an issue of disliking skin colour more than race? Without immigrants bolstering our workforce we'd be in a worse position now than we are - and I don't hold with the benefits claiming crap either; I don't know a single person who has come to this country without either a good qualification, a job, or both.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 10:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I think the BNP just say what most British people are thinking.



quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Read what wosp said again, and i agree with it.


Wsop's point was that the Bnp say what most British people are thinking. Just because some of the populist policies on their homepage are agreeable (they have to be, they're populist, geddit) doesn't mean that the Bnp are a mouthpeice for most of the British people. This is what we are arguing over. If you cannot understand this point, I can't help you. I'm done here.


Posted by David Cameron on 05-02-2009 11:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey


More to the point I haven't seen Spain, Australia, Canada etc lobbying to kick out the English who are coming over there and stealing their jobs/women/alcohol reserves. Is that because it's an issue of disliking skin colour more than race?



I have heard no reports of EXPAT Brits forming gangs, raping women, stabbing the locals or bombing train stations in the countries they have emigrated to. Maybe thats why they're aren't calls to have them removed? Plus Brits don't emigrate unless they have money to support themselves or jobs to go to, they don't get off the boat and head straight for the nearest benefits office.


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-02-2009 11:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Wsop's point was that the Bnp say what most British people are thinking. Just because some of the populist policies on their homepage are agreeable (they have to be, they're populist, geddit) doesn't mean that the Bnp are a mouthpeice for most of the British people. This is what we are arguing over. If you cannot understand this point, I can't help you. I'm done here.



No one has said the BNP are a mouthpiece for most of the british people?

What the fuck is wrong with you fionn? Why are you so stupid?


Posted by wob on 05-02-2009 11:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
I have heard no reports of EXPAT Brits forming gangs, raping women, stabbing the locals or bombing train stations in the countries they have emigrated to. Maybe thats why they're aren't calls to have them removed? Plus Brits don't emigrate unless they have money to support themselves or jobs to go to, they don't get off the boat and head straight for the nearest benefits office.


rotflmfao you will prolly find that these peoples countries are fuked because us brits fuked their countries up when we took over their lands and put them back to the dark ages


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-02-2009 11:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
No one has said the BNP are a mouthpiece for most of the british people?

What the fuck is wrong with you fionn? Why are you so stupid?



quote:
Originally posted by wosp
I think the BNP just say what most British people are thinking.



lol at you.


Posted by davidbrent on 05-02-2009 11:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
rotflmfao you will prolly find that these peoples countries are fuked because us brits fuked their countries up when we took over their lands and put them back to the dark ages


Yep have to agree, Australia is well fucked..

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Posted by David Cameron on 05-02-2009 11:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
rotflmfao you will prolly find that these peoples countries are fuked because us brits fuked their countries up when we took over their lands and put them back to the dark ages


Lol, actually their countries turned to shit when they won independence from Britain. Under British rule they were far more prosperous.


Posted by wob on 05-03-2009 12:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
Lol, actually their countries turned to shit when they won independence from Britain. Under British rule they were far more prosperous.


quote:
Originally posted by davidbrent
Yep have to agree, Australia is well fucked..


rotflmfao HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_...orts_to_England
Food exports to England
Starving Irish family during the famine

Records show Irish lands exported food even during the worst years of the Famine. When Ireland experienced a famine in 1782–83, ports were closed to keep Irish-grown food in Ireland to feed the Irish. Local food prices promptly dropped. Merchants lobbied against the export ban, but government in the 1780s overrode their protests; an export ban did not happen in the 1840s.[64]

Cecil Woodham-Smith, an authority on the Irish Famine, wrote in The Great Hunger; Ireland 1845–1849 that no issue has provoked so much anger and embittered relations between England and Ireland as "the indisputable fact that huge quantities of food were exported from Ireland to England throughout the period when the people of Ireland were dying of starvation." Ireland remained a net exporter of food throughout most of the five-year famine.

Christine Kinealy, a University of Liverpool fellow and author of two texts on the famine, Irish Famine: This Great Calamity and A Death-Dealing Famine, writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon and ham actually increased during the famine. The food was shipped under guard from the most famine-stricken parts of Ireland. However, the poor had no money to buy food and the government then did not ban exports.

The following poem written by Miss Jane Francesca Elgee, a well known and popular author, was carried in the The Nation[65]
“ Weary men, what reap ye? Golden corn for the stranger.

What sow ye? Human corpses that wait for the avenger.
Fainting forms, Hunger—stricken, what see you in the offing
Stately ships to bear our food away, amid the stranger's scoffing.
There's a proud array of soldiers—what do they round your door?
They guard our master's granaries from the thin hands of the poor.
Pale mothers, wherefore weeping? 'Would to God that we were dead—
Our children swoon before us, and we cannot give them bread.[66]
Speranza[67]


Posted by David Cameron on 05-03-2009 12:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
rotflmfao HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS



?? er.. they won.. They won their independence and the history they are writing is showing they made a mistake. You are weird.


Don't know if any of you caught Dispatches but it highlighted some facts and figures that make interesting reading. This is why a lot of people hate Paki's and Somalians, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name. If the British government won't weed out the unproductive members and send em home then we will probably end this decade with a race war.

quote:

Tonight's 'Dispatches', discloses which immigrant communities are a 'debit' and which a 'credit' on the UK's balance sheet'.

The league tables are part of a report, "Britain's Immigrants: An Economic Profile", prepared for Channel 4 by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR).

The tables reveal that people from Iran, Somalia and Bangladesh claim the most unemployment benefit, and that almost 40 per cent of Somalis claim income support, ten times the figure for people born in Britain.

The figures, which form a small proportion of the 50 page document, have already been seized upon by the press, headlining the negative aspects of the report.

The main points to be highlighted are:

Immigrants from Somalia top the council house league table

One in ten Pakistanis claim sickness or disability benefit

And on the more positive side:

Poles work the longest hours of any ethnic group after the Americans

86 per cent of foreign-born Indians are buying their own homes

Filipino's, Zimbabwean and Polish are among the least likely to be unemployed


Posted by wob on 05-03-2009 12:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
?? er.. they won.. They won their independence and the history they are writing is showing they made a mistake. You are weird.


Don't know if any of you caught Dispatches but it highlighted some facts and figures that make interesting reading. This is why a lot of people hate Paki's and Somalians, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name. If the British government won't weed out the unproductive members and send em home then we will probably end this decade with a race war.




enoch powel eat your heart out ROTFLMFAO

what was that saying in pubs/guesthouses in the 50's 60's??no blacks/irish or dogs

if you owned a guesthouse today and you knew you couldnt get sued jingofin i bet you would have a no paki/somali or dogs sign at your front door lmfao


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-03-2009 12:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
lol at you.


you've contradicted yourself twice lol


Posted by gezzer on 05-03-2009 12:55 AM:

WTF this all got to do with the BNP .The BNP are wank end of. Who gives a fuck about the colonies anyway, fuck me what we want with a history lesson .Left shool 40 fuckin years ago, you can stick all that shit where the sun don't shine.

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Posted by wob on 05-03-2009 12:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
WTF this all got to do with the BNP .The BNP are wank end of. Who gives a fuck about the colonies anyway, fuck me what we want with a history lesson .Left shool 40 fuckin years ago, you can stick all that shit where the sun don't shine.


i agree geezer about the colonies etc SORRY but in my mind it seems twats like bnp supporters need a history lesson to point out how fuking retarded they are...


Posted by wob on 05-03-2009 01:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
I have heard no reports of EXPAT Brits forming gangs, raping women, stabbing the locals or bombing train stations in the countries they have emigrated to. Maybe thats why they're aren't calls to have them removed? Plus Brits don't emigrate unless they have money to support themselves or jobs to go to, they don't get off the boat and head straight for the nearest benefits office.


cyprus/iraq/afghanastan/germany/japan(oh that might be the yanks lol lol soz couldnt resist

ohh and its big news now m8...the good old pound is worth sh1t now and all expats in spain etc cant afford it no more lol..think theres gonna be a mass return of more old age pensioners now ffs


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-03-2009 01:24 AM:

I think we can all agree that the "public" policies that the BNP put forward are spot on, but the party themselves are cunts.

And fionn, just because you were proved a moron, doesn't mean you have to pm me abuse lol Get back to the brown nosing, it's all you're good at...


Posted by Fionn McCool on 05-03-2009 01:28 AM:

quote:
Originally pm'd to Avenue by Fionn McCool
It's actually impossible to have an argument with you. Your brain is impermeable to logic. Your argument consists of you saying the same thing over and over and over until the person you're arguing with remembers you are retarded, is fighting a lost cause and gives up. But, yeah, yay for you.


Posted by David Cameron on 05-03-2009 08:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob


what was that saying in pubs/guesthouses in the 50's 60's??no blacks/irish or dogs




wtf has that got to do with anything? You keep blurting out random racial issues that have nothing to do with the original debate. You are as obtuse as Fionn.


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-03-2009 09:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
I think we can all agree that the "public" policies that the BNP put forward are spot on, but the party themselves are cunts.


I think I can broadly agree to that


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-03-2009 11:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
I think I can broadly agree to that


Just a pity Fionn has been unable, from the start of the thread, to grasp this simple concept of liking a parties policies but not actually wanting to vote for the party...

Guess that old internet saying is true, "don't argue with an retard, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"


Posted by David Cameron on 05-03-2009 12:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
I think I can broadly agree to that


At last, a little bit of agreement, i'll agree with that too.

Just waiting for wob to say something as irrelevant as "yeah but the kkk used to burn crosses" or "Burger king is better than Mcdonalds"


Posted by bartleby on 05-03-2009 11:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
"Burger king is better than Mcdonalds"


Well that would be bullshit because the Big Mac shits all over anything the "king" has to offer.

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Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 12:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
wtf has that got to do with anything? You keep blurting out random racial issues that have nothing to do with the original debate. You are as obtuse as Fionn.


and i quote YOU

This is why a lot of people hate Paki's and Somalians, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name.


i certainly dont hate them tbh it doesnt even enter my mind...you have the issues with other members of the HUMAN RACE i dont, i'll check back on this thread if its still open in another 30 years and you will be saying summit like

This is why a lot of people hate chinese and the welsh, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name.

i bet my life if this forum was here in the 50's60,s etc you would have said

This is why a lot of people hate the Irish,Blacks and dogs, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name.plus the dogs lick each others balls




Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-04-2009 01:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob

This is why a lot of people hate the Irish,Blacks and dogs, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name.plus the dogs lick each others balls




You sound like an ugly irish nigger with a chip on your shoulder.


Posted by gezzer on 05-04-2009 01:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob


This is why a lot of people hate the Irish,Blacks and dogs, those 2 immigrant groups have given all immigrants a bad name.plus the dogs lick each others balls





How the fuck have the Irish or black people given immigrants into this country a bad name at any point.I'm the oldest fucker on here and I can't ever remember that being an issue.Somalians and Romanians maybe but that's a recent thing.I think you are confusing a preconception with actual fact.and who the fuck are these "lot of people" I don't know anyone who fits your bill.

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Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 01:26 AM:

listen guys ohh and especially avenue 1 whos irish ask any english dude he bumps into across the pond... you are racists get over it


Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 01:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
How the fuck have the Irish or black people given immigrants into this country a bad name at any point.I'm the oldest fucker on here and I can't ever remember that being an issue.Somalians and Romanians maybe but that's a recent thing.I think you are confusing a preconception with actual fact.and who the fuck are these "lot of people" I don't know anyone who fits your bill.


your not old enough then to remember when the black/irish were treated like "pakis" a few years ago then,there was an episode of eastenders recently were this was discussed


Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 01:32 AM:

20th Century

Racism was very much prevalent in England especially in the 1970s and 1980s. Famous brothers Liam and Noel Gallagher from Oasis in an Irish Times interview recount a familiar story with tales of beatings, burnings and discrimination common to the emigrant community. This was particularly virulent after the British Army brought its war into Irish streets. However earlier emigrants also faced harassment with "No Irish, No Blacks and No Dogs" common in English cities experiencing an Irish influx like Warrington, Manchester, Birmingham and London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Irish_Need_Apply

this is film release site,have a look at the great irish film the commitments us irish are the blacks of europe btw that was so 1980's if it was today we would be the muslims of europe

now suck on a big fat 1


Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 01:39 AM:

last word


fuk BNP/C18/NATIONAL FRONT/Kkk

UP THE ANTI NAZI LEAGUE


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-04-2009 09:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
your not old enough then to remember when the black/irish were treated like "pakis" a few years ago then,there was an episode of eastenders recently were this was discussed


Oh no you di-int!


Posted by gezzer on 05-04-2009 10:00 AM:

WTF has something that happened yonks ago got to do with the BNP in the here and now, your inane ramblings have lost me.BRITISH national party now that's a joke in itself I'll bet a pound to a penny bun that all their members are English mostly tattooed knuckledraggers .

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Posted by madd on 05-04-2009 01:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
BRITISH national party now that's a joke in itself I'll bet a pound to a penny bun that all their members are English mostly tattooed knuckledraggers .

you trippin?
in my place of work i speak to a lot of people (customers) and when the subject of immigration is brought up they tend to agree with the bnp and what they say they will do

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Posted by David Cameron on 05-04-2009 01:28 PM:

Can we all agree on just one more thing. Somalians are fucking useless!


Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 01:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
Can we all agree on just one more thing. Somalians are fucking useless!


they are quite good pirates tho


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-04-2009 01:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
Can we all agree on just one more thing. Somalians are fucking useless!


Yup.

And finally i think we can all agree that wob is a wog.


Posted by wob on 05-04-2009 01:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Yup.

And finally i think we can all agree that wob is a wog.



aye and your sam skellys bitch


Posted by baha on 05-04-2009 02:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by madd
you trippin?
in my place of work i speak to a lot of people (customers) and when the subject of immigration is brought up they tend to agree with the bnp and what they say they will do


Prison guard, huh?

Or are you a crack dealer?

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Posted by gezzer on 05-05-2009 12:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by madd
you trippin?
in my place of work i speak to a lot of people (customers) and when the subject of immigration is brought up they tend to agree with the bnp and what they say they will do

You a receptionist at a nut house then?

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Posted by Neversoft on 05-07-2009 08:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jingofin
I have heard no reports of EXPAT Brits forming gangs, raping women, stabbing the locals or bombing train stations in the countries they have emigrated to. Maybe thats why they're aren't calls to have them removed? Plus Brits don't emigrate unless they have money to support themselves or jobs to go to, they don't get off the boat and head straight for the nearest benefits office.
BEWRAE TEH POLISH RAP GANGS! People rape, not races! And how can they take all our jobs AND our benefits?

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Nope, i think most of us would prefer to kick the illegal and non working immigrants and their "PC" supporters out.

Just out of interest, and this goes for everyone that is seemingly anti-bnp. Which of their policies do you not agree with?

It's unfortunate then that most of us "PC" types are the working professionals who pay taxes to keep the work-shy BNP supporters in their council-funded housing and on state benefits so they can complain about immigrants taking all the jobs that they don't want. I'm yet to see anybody who supports the BNP who isn't a toothless, ill-informed meat head who prefers to point the finger instead of having a good, long look at their own failed life.

As for their policies:
quote:
IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.
We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.
Nobody wants illegal immigrants and criminals but how is somebody legally coming over here for work or a better life any different to me going overseas to work? The job market is a competitive one so compete, don't fucking whinge. Think they under-cut our wages? Do they buy their shit from different shops to me or something?

quote:
ECONOMY - British workers first!

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes
Good luck with that embargo you dicks, it's not like it's probably illegal and likely to fuck British exports or anything when every country retaliates.

quote:
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!

We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.
I like the sentiment but the BNP is hardly synonymous with "education" is it, unless it's preceded with the words "lack of an"

quote:
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!

We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.
Could be from any political party and none of them can achieve it cos they can't afford it... Especially once you've expelled all the foreign doctors

quote:
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!

We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.
This one is a fucking gem. A quick translation is "Fled an oppressive regime because your family was murdered and persecuted? Never mind, we'll pay them to fucking take you back, therefore lining their pockets even more so they can shoot you with better quality weapons."

quote:
NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.
Hang on... Did these idiots just say they'd cure the problem of Northern Ireland by "allowing" Ireland to join the UK? That's bound to work! I agree that anybody with a terrorist past shouldn't be allowed to govern but as the two halves of the NI debate are diametrically opposed the ONLY answer is to try and meet somewhere in the middle, which is what we're trying to do.

quote:
DEFENCE - no more cuts!

Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.
Yeah, so long as we're ok who gives a fuck who else is oppressed or starving? Oh hang on, that's right, anybody with a fucking conscience! Secondly... Bring back National Service? I'm sure our regular soldiers who joined the army as a career will just LOVE a bunch of retarded dole-scroungers turning up to fight with them. Show our armed forces some fucking respect, they're not a dumping ground to get people off benefits.

The rest of it though, albeit written in "spaz alarmist bullshit" are reasonably valid, sensible points... But they're obvious and don't define the BNP. What defines the BNP is their intolerance and rampant stupidity.

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Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-07-2009 09:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Nope, i think most of us would prefer to kick the illegal and non working immigrants and their "PC" supporters out.




quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft

It's unfortunate then that most of us "PC" types are the working professionals who pay taxes to keep the work-shy BNP supporters in their council-funded housing and on state benefits so they can complain about immigrants taking all the jobs that they don't want.




EHHHHHH???? You're not a PC type, you're drug fuelled fiend with a crazed misguided passion for ethnic minorities!

I have these deep suspicions that you are part pakistani

Do you not agree that non-working and illegal immigrants need to be given the boot ASAP?


Posted by Neversoft on 05-07-2009 09:29 PM:

^^

Illegal... Yes.

Non-working... If they haven't had a job then yes but what if they were working/contributing and were made redundant? We're in a recession after all

I'm not that PC but I reckon I'm fairly liberal, with a hint of anarchist. Live n fucking let live and if you take the piss I'll kill you myself.

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Posted by gezzer on 05-07-2009 11:46 PM:

Nice one N$ very nicely put, I for one agree with everything you have said.
In this day and age when anywhere in the world is less than 24 hours away immigration don't mean shit.People will move about more and more .Just means the old stick in the mud retards will have to get used to it.

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Posted by wob on 05-08-2009 02:05 AM:

you stole my ideas neversoft lol (wish i could put it into words like you)well said i totally agree


Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-08-2009 05:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wog
ooga booga



Posted by wob on 05-08-2009 05:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1



very good


Posted by gezzer on 05-09-2009 12:37 AM:

Its comforting to see that even given the propensity for right wing leanings on here that not one person apart from Mr Madd would consider the BNP a viable concern.There are so many flaws in their policies as to make it preposterous to even consider voting for them.

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Posted by wob on 05-09-2009 01:53 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
Its comforting to see that even given the propensity for right wing leanings on here that not one person apart from Mr Madd would consider the BNP a viable concern.There are so many flaws in their policies as to make it preposterous to even consider voting for them.


ACTUALLY when i hit view new posts and read from the 1st thread ie madds original post i thought madd is 1 trolling swine


Posted by gezzer on 05-14-2009 10:37 PM:

Any one see the BNP party political broadcast last night ,what a bunch of loons,the woman spokesperson looked like a care in the comunity.The rest of them all cheap suits and bullshit.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 05-14-2009 10:54 PM:

I saw that, bunch of pratts. I also saw them being grilled on one of the evening news programs trying to defend their non-whites policy - which of course they failed to do.


Posted by gezzer on 05-24-2009 12:00 AM:

Now Nick Griffin is of to meet the Queen FFS.Mind I don't agree with banning the cunt that would be pointless and metamorphicaly speaking martyr the bastard.These pricks even got their own version of the Hitler youth now as well , scary.

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Posted by David Cameron on 05-24-2009 02:08 AM:

I take it you watched "Have I Got News For You", tonight then?

Lol, I don't expect the Queen will actually let him in, he has been invited by a guest as their '+1', not by the Queen herself. He won't get past the Beefeaters.


Posted by gezzer on 05-26-2009 04:35 PM:

Yeah I did, now I see that the BNP are going to use Churchill's image in their next party political broadcast , same BNP who think the waffen SS are heroes.

Anyone who thinks the waffen SS are heroes read this Oradour-sur-glane
I've been to this village it's a very sad place.

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Posted by madd on 05-29-2009 07:41 PM:

link

regarding the ongoing expenses scandle by mp's in the uk

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Posted by gezzer on 05-29-2009 10:04 PM:

What a load of twaddle the pricks a councillor, he ain't entitled to fuck all anyway.Its just dressed up to fool the gullible.

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Posted by David Cameron on 06-06-2009 02:52 AM:

quote:
BNP

The British National party won its first seats on English county councils with victories in Lancashire, Hertfordshire and Leicestershire.


Not guilty on the Leicestershire results, wasn't my ward


Posted by David Cameron on 06-08-2009 04:42 PM:

Oh dear. 2 BNP members got voted into the European parliament yesterday. The Griffmeister and one of his henchmen Andrew Brons are now MEP's.

I'm sure they'll make no real difference and will merely master the art of Signing in and Sodding off at Brussels. They are now on the biggest gravy train the world has ever seen, I expect them to be dipping their bread enthusiastically. Look forward to publication of Euro MP expenses, these 2 clowns will no doubt be found to have taken the piss more than most.


Posted by Darlowad on 06-08-2009 04:52 PM:

I see the bnp gathering momentum over the next few years.
There playing there cards right on all the issues that are relevant to your average working class british man.

That and the fact were all totally pissed off with immigration/expenses, it wont do there cause any harm

They got my vote anyway

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Posted by madd on 06-08-2009 06:42 PM:

BNP now have 2 MEP's

cant wait for a general election in the uk


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