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Posted by chris1025 on 03-10-2009 09:15 PM:

Basic Water Cooling Help

I'm doing a complete overhaul/upgrade in the near future and was thinking about going the water cooled route but I need to get some basic info before I get in over my head.

When first starting out with a water cooling system, do I have to add water initially or does it come pre-filled?

Also does the water ever need to be changed out or added to during regular maintenance? If so how involved a process is it? Just add it somewhere or I have to pull the whole computer apart? And how often?

Even though this is all new to me, I am capable of handling it if I choose to (with the right knowledge before hand first) but if I do need to do all this to keep up with it is it all worth it?

Any other tips or tricks or things I need to be aware of first would also be appreciated.


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-10-2009 10:43 PM:

It comes pre-filled somtimes but not always (Coolermaster generally used to sell sealed units).

Water needs changing every year at least, requires an anti-corrosion additive; and as it evaporates it needs periodic topping up. It's a simple as removing a pipe, no disassembly required.

It's worth it for overclocking and reducing noise (but not by much) - you need less fans but you still run a fan on the radiator.

Only other tip is to check it's completely watertight, and watch out for air bubbles - they could confuse your mobo into thinking you don't have a cooling system, causing unexpected shutdowns.


Posted by Love Jedi on 03-10-2009 10:57 PM:

If you're going to watercool you need to do a bit of research. Also, don't buy a kit, always build out of separates. You also need to think about why you want to watercool. Is it for overclocking or for keeping it quiet?

I watercooled my last two rigs and am now tunning an i7 920 and 4870 under water, but I transferred the system from one build to the next.

It does look good and it is better than air for overclocking, but it can be a real hassle, usually in the build process.

When I started using watercooling I started with 1/2 Tubing and tubing clips. This meant a 24 hour leak test after setting everything up. I had a couple of leaks doing it this way. Now I swear by 7/16 tubing. Just stick the end a glass of hot water for a while and it will expand, put this over 1/2 inch barbs and its pretty leakproof. I then use cable ties to secure it. You still want to leak test for a bit after bleeding it, though.

You change the water every year or so.


Posted by Neversoft on 03-10-2009 11:01 PM:

You can do it cheaper in three easy steps...

1. Remove all existing fans from motherboard.
2. Laminate Motherboard.
3. Submerge in bath of cold water.

Job done - although you'll need to replace the bathwater from time to time as it warms up.

On a more serious note, unless you're overclocking the blighter it's much easier to simply use quality air cooling.

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Posted by punzada on 03-10-2009 11:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft

On a more serious note, unless you're overclocking the blighter it's much easier to simply use quality air cooling.



Couldn't agree more, unless you really have a hard on for pushing the absolute maximum numbers you can out of your hardware (in which case why are you half assing it with water and not going with a constant liquid nitrogen feed ) you should simply pocket the money you plan to use for the water cooling setup towards a new machine that'll do double the performance anyway in a few years -- and stable at that. Any modern chips (intel anyway, core2/quad/i7) can be overclocked to some pretty stupid levels without ANY additional cooling, and just a decent clean case with good airflow and one or two special fans can get very high performance without hassle of water cooling setup.


Posted by danimal39 on 03-11-2009 01:18 AM:

If you want to water cool,first buy all the supplys,and don't use a cheap water block ,go with a swift tech,or danger den,then fill completely and run for 24 hours,check to see their are no leaks and you should be good to go,and make sure to change the fluid every year,if you don't want to use uv water,then water wetter is a good choice http://www.redlineoil.com/products_coolant.asp


Posted by Bakkoda on 03-11-2009 05:05 AM:

If you have a reason to water cool do it. If you just want to I would recommend not to do it. It can be a tremendous amount of work leak testing, checking head pressure regularly, keeping the fluid clean and algae free. God forbid you end up with a leak or have to flush the coolant.

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Posted by chris1025 on 03-11-2009 06:21 AM:

Appreciate all the info. I'm glad I asked because after all that I probably won't go the water cooling route. I'm not looking to overclock and my current pc case fan is making an awful hum, so anything quieter will be an improvement.

I was only considering it because I thought it was far superior. I didn't realize it only made a minor difference in the noise level.

I'll opt for some quiet fans and maybe a larger heat sink.

Thanks all.


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-11-2009 11:39 AM:

People think that water alone will cool, and it does to a degree but there still has to be a fan to release the heat, and that can be expensive/noisy.

Just check out the dampeners at quietpc.com, you may find you can reduce the noise considerably using something from there.


Posted by lmao2k on 03-11-2009 09:45 PM:

Re: Basic Water Cooling Help

Not sure what people have posted above, but this is what I have found out from doing a fair bit of watercooling....

quote:
When first starting out with a water cooling system, do I have to add water initially or does it come pre-filled?


Yes and no is the answer to this. If you buy a pre-sealed kit then no filling is required. However with other kits and a custom setup you will have to fill the loop up before use.

quote:
Also does the water ever need to be changed out or added to during regular maintenance? If so how involved a process is it? Just add it somewhere or I have to pull the whole computer apart? And how often?


I would suggest changing your coolant every 6/12 months. The amount of work doing this soley depends on your setup. If you have a custom setup I would always say install a "T" piece and then a use that to drain the system. Otherwise ensure the reservoir is at the top of the loop and let gravity do the rest! There is no need to pull the setup out of the system unless you have a problem. Is you have a reservoir then just use that to fill the loop else use another "T" piece somewhere at the top and use that to fill the system. Its super simply

quote:
Even though this is all new to me, I am capable of handling it if I choose to (with the right knowledge before hand first) but if I do need to do all this to keep up with it is it all worth it?


Well this is something you have to decide. Yes you can reduce the noise dependant on your current setup. Yes it can give you way better temperatures and allow you to overclock the system if need be.

quote:
Any other tips or tricks or things I need to be aware of first would also be appreciated.


1. Work out a budget on what you would like to spend ie. >100 for a kit. 100-150 for a ok setup and 150+ for a great setup depending on parts used

2. Setup the loop outside the pc to check there are no leaks.

3. For a CPU only loop a decent 120mm rad or a so so 240mm will be fine. Anymore than a CPU I would look at a decent 240mm rad up wards

4. Use 7/16" tubing over 1/2" barbs. Save the needs for clips on the tubing

5. When install the loop in to your case take your time to ensure everything is connect properly. You don't want to screw up and have a coolant leak over your components. You shouldn't kill anything, but it is a bitch to clean up!

6. If you don't have money to spend buy a decent air cooler and work on a better airflow throughout your pc case


Posted by danimal39 on 03-11-2009 09:57 PM:

But you have to admit temperature is not as big a problem with the new chips ,the p4s were nuclear ,now you can get away with a good air cooler


Posted by Darlowad on 03-11-2009 09:57 PM:

And most important!

No watercooled system is complete without a blue neon and crystal case !!

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Posted by punzada on 03-11-2009 10:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Darlowad
And most important!

No watercooled system is complete without a blue neon and crystal case !!



I'm so happy I'm over my 'obnoxious LEDs and UV-reactive cables w/ UV Cold Cathode' phase. My next desktop will be half the size and none of the obnoxiousness.


Posted by lmao2k on 03-12-2009 01:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by danimal39
But you have to admit temperature is not as big a problem with the new chips ,the p4s were nuclear ,now you can get away with a good air cooler


Yup I completely agree with that these days. However water cooling is just that more interesting.


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