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New Site Logo Design Contest and Announcement!
The staff have discussed and decided to let you, the backbone of VCDQuality, participate in the new site.
So, here is The Great Scene Mutiny Logo Design Contest
We are officially starting a Logo Design Contest for the new site. Rules are simple:
1. You can submit as many examples as you like, but each MUST be in a separate post (no multiple pictures in a post).
2. This is not a critique thread, nor are criticisms welcomed towards ANY submission.
3. Any submissions outside of this thread will not be considered.
4. All regular forum rules apply, but with a stricter outlook in this thread. This is a serious attempt to let our members be a part of the new site, and we will enforce the rules with a heavy hand.
5. Contest run is a minimum of 3 weeks, but can terminate anytime after that. Winners will be selected by staff and a carefully selected panel, and winning doesn't mean that you are 100 percent assured of being the new logo, but the winning entry will be featured prominently somewhere on the new site.
Now that the boiler plate is out of the way, design your hearts out!
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Here it is, see? we told you it was here, but NOOOOOOOO you didn't believe us, HAHAHA jokes on you!
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A Vote for Ave is a Vote for FREEDOM!
WIIINNNNNERRRRRR

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Any criteria?
Size, proportion, file format, colour scheme? Or is it just a complete free for all?
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Originally posted by Linnets
Any criteria?
Size, proportion, file format, colour scheme? Or is it just a complete free for all?
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quote:
Originally posted by Linnets
Any criteria?
Size, proportion, file format, colour scheme? Or is it just a complete free for all?
Yannow, I really like that layout there on dwaggy.com actually :|
The orange can be rough though, if it could be easily themed to some type of light blue and other colors, could be really nice I think.

I coudn't really fit the word "mutiny" anywhere I liked so... :/
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
btw, I suck at photoshop. :P, first time to use it in 3yrs. lol
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
Something I threw together in 5 minutes. Figured it's one way to go and others could elaborate or take from it.

I just held back two criticisms....
Thanks EJO for providing rules to ruin my fun :P.
But seriously, some of you fuckers that have some talent submit yourselves to mutiny!!!
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Originally posted by LOLobo
some of you fuckers that have some talent submit yourselves to mutiny!!!
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
Gandalf copied my first idea so I had to start from scratch.
quote:I like it
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Gandalf copied my first idea so I had to start from scratch.
OK here goes...
Way to make yourself look a cunt.
2nd attempt...
::EDIT - Why can't I attach my jpg image - is there size restriction or something?


::EDIT (Again) Bollox - This is dogshit. Ah well its shite anyway.
::EDIT (I KNOW!!!) Seems it may be FF moaning about the image as safari (of all browsers) displayed it for me. Can anyone else confirm this?
::EDIT (Look this'll be the last one ok?) Before anyone asks it isn't all original work. Its all vectors so can be scaled to whatever size easily.
Upload here and post as a linked image.
Bigger text
Photshop pssish..... 
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i like linnets alot......im tryin to like cupids....the seating and curtains are nice but i cant get past the plain fonts.
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looter n. : someone who takes spoils or plunder (as in war) [syn: plunderer, pillager, spoiler, despoiler, raider, freebooter]

My quick attempt...
quote:
Originally posted by ZootedLooter
i like linnets alot......im tryin to like cupids....the seating and curtains are nice but i cant get past the plain fonts.
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Originally posted by eljefeoscuro
2. This is not a critique thread, nor are criticisms welcomed towards ANY submission.
I meant that in the nicest possible way.
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Originally posted by xParaDox
Perhaps someone should create a mascot for the new site?
Something completely original that people will recognize us by.
oi
Perhaps someone should create a mascot for the new site?
Something completely original that people will recognize us by.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave


i think film and pirate themes are essential....SLysys is nice too....makes a good "mascot"
and stupidcupid...i wasnt trying to criticize....i was trying to tell you that your design sucks balls.......in the nicest possible way of course
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:::edit....and when have i ever listened to Jefes rules anyway?
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looter n. : someone who takes spoils or plunder (as in war) [syn: plunderer, pillager, spoiler, despoiler, raider, freebooter]

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Gandalf copied my first idea so I had to start from scratch.
quote::: ~L Edited your post - criticisms include those made against individuals based on old bad blood. ::
Originally posted by eljefeoscuro
2. This is not a critique thread, nor are criticisms welcomed towards ANY submission.
quote:Love it!
Originally posted by Gimp Mask
My quick attempt...
quote:Love that idea too!
Originally posted by Gimp Mask
my avatar could be the mascot, as we all know there's a few in here![]()

Needs some tweakin, but I'm goin' to bed.

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quote:
Originally posted by xParaDox
oi
Perhaps someone should create a mascot for the new site?
Something completely original that people will recognize us by.
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I'm not calling anyone lazy but I googled the word mutiny and on page 1 of google images ...

and

Obviously nothing wrong with photoshopping existing images, but page 1? Come on fellas.
At least I admitted mine wasn't all original work!
quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I'm not calling anyone lazy but I googled the word mutiny and on page 1 of google images ...
and
Obviously nothing wrong with photoshopping existing images, but page 1? Come on fellas.
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Had a little go at a logo, can't pick fonts for shit though so no writing. Nicked the skull from somewhere, nicked the background logo from the MPAA 
^^ Looks great. Bones font maybe.
I love Lord Gandalf's effort above...quality, real quality.
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Originally posted by Dutch
I love Lord Gandalf's effort above...quality, real quality.
quote:
Originally posted by Linnets
At least I admitted mine wasn't all original work!
Hate dicking around with fonts.
Replace the bones with the words cupid.
good depth in that though
quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I'm not calling anyone lazy but I googled the word mutiny and on page 1 of google images ...
and
Obviously nothing wrong with photoshopping existing images, but page 1? Come on fellas.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
quote:
Originally posted by xParaDox
lol
make no mistake, I like your logos though, just found it quite funny.
quote:
Originally posted by koodo
Nasty
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quote:
Originally posted by xParaDox
Oh?
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Originally posted by koodo
My mistake. Should have added "in a funny way."
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
Well If were all stealing. Steal from the best.

Double What..??
Cant link worth a shit
h e l v e t i c a
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i have sigs off 
I always start and get bored or run out of ideas. I really wanted to put my cutlass to good use.
quote:
Originally posted by Linnets
I always start and get bored or run out of ideas. I really wanted to put my cutlass to good use.

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heres mine.


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IRC://IRC.EFNET.NET/prolifeabortionists
"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
..
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"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
...
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"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
....
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"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
quote:
Originally posted by aWe
....
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
I like a few of the logs posted but out of everything posted so far I like Bit_Confused's slogan on his logo (even if the logo looks like arse).
"Scene Mutiny: Piracy, Community, Nudity"
Awesome 
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I like that one linnets. The one with the Cutlass was good too. SM\ , brand specific, good job.
I know we are not meant to critique in here but I'll just say my favourites.
Gandy's second one and Linnets Cutlass one.
My own are not intended to be taken seriously, I have less artistic talent than DukeNukem, just joining in coz it improves my rep and gets me pussAy.
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Originally posted by Neversoft
I like a few of the logs posted but out of everything posted so far I like Bit_Confused's slogan on his logo (even if the logo looks like arse).
"Scene Mutiny: Piracy, Community, Nudity"
Awesome![]()
This isn't my attempt to get my logo used, or indeed to even get it complimented... I'm posting it because I had a go and it doesn't totally suck arse, despite me being shit at doing "search lights" 
nice effort NS
but I know we aren't allowed to criticise, so my advice is to change the font on mutiny for something more robust..........but nice work...
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this was fun
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Something pithy
ntscuser and Sin,
both of yours look great in my opinion.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
looking very good sin
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niall4eg version 3.0
I would say thats the winner so far Sin. Its pretty much exactly what I wanted to do but couldn't / couldn't be arsed.
Oh the font is horrible though (just an opinion). What is that brushscript or something?
yeah its brushscript
, i just reinstalled PS last night, so no custom fonts as yet. Easy adjustment though, ill throw up another one tonight with a diff font, helvetica or something and see if its an improvement.
edit: bugger i cant delete this post, ill try not to spam in the thread
anywho just a variation

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Something pithy
quote:
Originally posted by Sin
yeah its brushscript, i just reinstalled PS last night, so no custom fonts as yet. Easy adjustment though, ill throw up another one tonight with a diff font, helvetica or something and see if its an improvement.
edit: bugger i cant delete this post, ill try not to spam in the thread
anywho just a variation
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
so this whole page is ironic right
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i have sigs off 
quote:
Originally posted by Dwaggy
so this whole page is ironic right
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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
quote:You make it sound like we're a forum full of talentless cu... Yes, this page is ironic.
Originally posted by Dwaggy
so this whole page is ironic right
I like some of the new designs quite well. Unfortunately, I have very little PS skills. So, I will just look on with envy at some of the logos.
Envy this!
nice effort never...
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"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
needs corn....but your on the right track
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looter n. : someone who takes spoils or plunder (as in war) [syn: plunderer, pillager, spoiler, despoiler, raider, freebooter]

I like a lot of the designs, good work guys.
But I personally like the classic VCDQ logo and site look!
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I'm gay. <3 <3 <3
Just putting a few next to eachother to give a better perspective.



Heh
Lol, I was gonna do one like that, u beat me to it.
quote:
Originally posted by Linnets
Heh
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quote:
Originally posted by xParaDox
System!
quote:
Originally posted by Linnets
Its actually a font called Hollywood Hills.![]()
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
Idea, but im no designer
Petty fucking bickering removed. Stick to logo submissions please.
My idea was to make something "scene worthy".
So I drew this oldskool amiga style ascii.

Now that's fitting! ^^^^
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I'm gay. <3 <3 <3
yeah, if that line is going to work then a better one will be popping up...............6/110
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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
6/110
typo......
6/10
sorry
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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
quote:
Originally posted by Xero
My idea was to make something "scene worthy".
So I drew this oldskool amiga style ascii.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
agreed ^^^ funny thing, I was actually working on my ascii last night untill my computer fucked up. good job!
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"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
quote:
Originally posted by aWe
agreed ^^^ funny thing, I was actually working on my ascii last night untill my computer fucked up. good job!
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this message was deleted.
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"@Dwaggy · pirates are hella kinky
Avenue_1 · how do u know this?
@Dwaggy · i'm a pirate"
Are you a member of AWE, the ascii group?
Very original! 
Lmao, TPB. 
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I'm gay. <3 <3 <3
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Originally posted by Objectivist Seal Hunter
Lmao, TPB.![]()
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Just about as basic as it gets.

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The "Y" looks like a peneeeees 
quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
The "Y" looks like a peneeeees![]()
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
You have to have lived or worked in London to get this joke:

one more for you guys
Another one that's a bit smaller.

I did this a while ago but didn't really like it. May as well submit it though I suppose...
quote:
Originally posted by Vampire
didn't really like it.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
LMFAO ! Some of these gave me a great laugh ! great work all
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MrBra!ns
quote:
Originally posted by ntscuser
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
100% suck itt, hth
haha....welcome home D....how come you didnt come to my bbq?....i know the girl invited you too....dont gimmie that Yoshi "im in not even in the same country" excuse either
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looter n. : someone who takes spoils or plunder (as in war) [syn: plunderer, pillager, spoiler, despoiler, raider, freebooter]

Sorry I couldn't be there.......you know why........
How did it go?
any pics to display for all to see?

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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
So when will this compo end?
what he said.
when will scene mutiny ever take off anyways? lmao.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
the ascii one is the most suiting, I reckon... there's lots of good ones, but I think the ascii one is the best for this particular purpose 
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0_o
So any update on the new site ?
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classified
theyre doing a colour scheme poll in summer next year, then a poll on which software to use for the forum a year later.
you get the idea.
Things are about to start changing, starting with the forum... You'll see!
Having said that, if anybody reading this knows how to spunk-out decent code, has some design skills, has some spare time and wants to help with VCDQ with regards to tarting-up the site, PM me.
quote:
Originally posted by xParaDox
vcdq should have its own bbs to convert back to the gloray days.
Affirmative Action Nigger.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
Scene Mutiny
Here is my entry


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b1b0W34R Clothing
Glad I can do something to help. Here is my effort:


Aren't you a girl?
Regardless, I like your entry

I like Linnets avatar, don't see it entered here.
quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I like Linnets avatar...
Maybe you could get the owners of that racehorse to sponsor the site?
AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH

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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
Erm... For those of you that wanted to keep the existing name for some retro cool, we reckon you're going to have your wish - why fix it if it aint broke?
So if anybody wants to try their hand at a new VCDQuality logo... Fill yer boots 
quote:Is that a roundabout way of saying plans for a name change have been dropped?
Originally posted by Neversoft
Erm... For those of you that wanted to keep the existing name for some retro cool, we reckon you're going to have your wish - why fix it if it aint broke?
So if anybody wants to try their hand at a new VCDQuality logo... Fill yer boots![]()
how about combine the two names:
Scene Quality
or
VCD Scene
how about www. wherenerdsgototalkaboutstolenm...fartjokesto.com
dam that hurt my eyes to type
No name-meshing
Mayor of Los Angeles was faggot enough to let himself.
quote:Possibly/probably... We want to refresh the site but we've built-up a good name and it has a nice nostalgic feel to it now. We haven't done any polls or anything but from chats I've had with people on IRC and other places, it sounds like most people would prefer to keep it as VCDQ
Originally posted by ntscuser
Is that a roundabout way of saying plans for a name change have been dropped?
i think the name should be left alone too.
I can understand why people want to change but I think vcdq shows that it's been around a long time.
I always feel if it aint broke don't fix it.

Why don't you go ahead with the upgrade to the forum software?
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Originally posted by Gimp Mask
Why don't you go ahead with the upgrade to the forum software?
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Rectum? Damn near killed him!
jesus christ what is taking so long?
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Originally posted by Vampire
X69 has some personal data on the server that he wants to remove before letting us loose on the site.
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Rectum? Damn near killed him!
I already took his personal data. And sold it for some Thai tranny cock for an hour. Some guy in Korea is now collecting mini-X69's social security income.
this was such a great joke..
I'm still laughing.
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"The reason why this thread is failing para1, is that you can't flame a retard. You're too simple and stupid to be offended." -Ave
Here's my entry....
I know i,m forever to late ,but fuck it, you try photoshop drunk with arthritis at my age.
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When your in a hole put down the shovel.
Is that a pubic hair inside the first half moon on the right?
:: sorry, its on my screen.................
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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
Version 2
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When your in a hole put down the shovel.
V2 with the fuckin picture doh!
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When your in a hole put down the shovel.
i guess no one told you they are keeping the acronym name....only its meaning will be changed to vagina cunts and dildo quality
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looter n. : someone who takes spoils or plunder (as in war) [syn: plunderer, pillager, spoiler, despoiler, raider, freebooter]

quote:Yes, please lego of the whole Scene Mutiny idea.
Originally posted by ZootedLooter
i guess no one told you they are keeping the acronym name....
Nice one I spent an hour trying to find the lego in the loft.
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When your in a hole put down the shovel.
any news on the new site going live yet?
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Be nice to NOOBS.
You were one once.
I've been told it's as close as julember
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I'M NEVER COMING BACK TO THESE FORUMS... BOOHOOHOO
OH WAIT...I'M BACK
It's the same day that Angelina Jolie announces her engagement to me and everyone from VCDQ is invited to the wedding.
madd also asked the same question in another thread.
Here's my reply.
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Rectum? Damn near killed him!
quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
Erm... For those of you that wanted to keep the existing name for some retro cool, we reckon you're going to have your wish - why fix it if it aint broke?
So if anybody wants to try their hand at a new VCDQuality logo... Fill yer boots![]()
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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
BUMP
I am after a good design of vcdq.com to try to transfer onto a t-shirt as a transfer.
nothin like walking advertisement.
I bought a new printer which comes with transfer paper for iron ons.
Lets get a good one happening.

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I'M NEVER COMING BACK TO THESE FORUMS... BOOHOOHOO
OH WAIT...I'M BACK
At least I don't have to run(sorry, walk slowly) down to the BIG mans shop, just to find a t-shirt that can fit.
As soon as one gets posted, then ill have a go.
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When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over.
There comes a point in your life when you realise;
who matters,
who never did,
who won't any more...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
I would like to see it.
quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
You would have to see to believe what a fat fucker I am but you can't as I am a chicken-shit cocksucker in addition to being grotesque.
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