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Posted by Crombie42 on 05-04-2002 05:35 PM:

AWESOME

its just like "life or something" rls, video and sound are great! Its like a late birthday present...lol 9/9 i give it

Posted by {BM}Jet-Li on 05-04-2002 05:36 PM:

I think This Version would be awsome

havn't gotten this movie yet but my guess is this version would be awsome and i just hope that star wars episode 2 comes out as good as this

Posted by rusty2002 on 05-04-2002 05:42 PM:

Hel fucking yea this could pass for a TC

Posted by VCDguy on 05-04-2002 07:23 PM:

OH MY GOD!

CENTROPY U OWN!
thanks im gonna snatch this now

Posted by Bud-man on 05-04-2002 07:36 PM:

Awesome totally Awesome!!
Mikey likes it he really likes it

Posted by [psycho] on 05-04-2002 07:59 PM:

fuckin amazing !!!
Im gettin a boner !!

Posted by aznstyle on 05-04-2002 08:13 PM:

Centropy damn, you guys 0wn me. I just grabbed this rls. You guys could have labeled it a telecine and i woulda been fooled hehe. I hope you rls more like it! i esp liked the fact you guys made it like 72 min so i could use my 74 min cdrws thanks!!!

Posted by kenzler on 05-04-2002 08:15 PM:

d/l now sample is very good quality is very nice

well done

Posted by Welsh_Dragon_UK on 05-04-2002 08:26 PM:

Video Very Good,Sound Good but dont know why its an svcd release this would have been a better vcd.

Well good release all the same but man would have been ultimate release as vcd though,Just my Pennies worth.

Posted by rawstylus on 05-04-2002 08:30 PM:

spiderman - centropy?

[woopz.. -pazzi]

Posted by eST0r on 05-04-2002 09:00 PM:

The thought alone of the scene going in a new direction makes me wet Centropy, you prolly never read this bs, but today I love you guys, but I'll be sure to hate you tommorow :P J/P

This was good, fast, and.... well.... fuck it. 9/9

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Posted by brr8760 on 05-04-2002 09:11 PM:

My boner's getting a boner

Centropy rules the school. simple as that.

Posted by Citrixman on 05-04-2002 09:19 PM:

They Own me

My first post here... im going out tomorrow to get a shirt printed up that say's "Centropy 0wns me"

Posted by rusty2002 on 05-04-2002 09:35 PM:

FTF prob pissed their pants when they saw this heh

Posted by deftones6 on 05-04-2002 09:52 PM:

this shit is awesome, i've only seen the sample, but if its as good quality as life or something like it then it should be awesome. I cant wit to see AOTC!

Posted by gotes on 05-04-2002 10:34 PM:

Yeah, it's damn good, but I can't help thinking it wouldn't have looked much worse if it were in VCD format.. I know CDRs are cheap and all that, but it would have saved one disc swap during the movie!

Posted by philly b on 05-04-2002 10:54 PM:

im sure ftf will leech this.

Posted by ahnil8er on 05-04-2002 10:55 PM:

WIll this svcd play as a regular vcd? or is there a way to convert svcd to vcd?

By the way.. good shit centropy. Ur awesome. 9/9/8

Posted by Hirro on 05-04-2002 11:03 PM:

All I have to say is wow! I'm speechless.

Posted by Davey_H on 05-04-2002 11:25 PM:

I'm gonna leech this Version now...

FTF I hope U take notice about how to get good stuff out on time...

I got kicked off there IRC channel last time for critisisng Scorpion King...
Silly fuckers...

Posted by brr8760 on 05-05-2002 12:02 AM:

quote:
im sure ftf will leech this.

Hey, FTF has: a) greatly improved their quality, b) created a lot of movies, c) released them faster than anyone, and d) has never done ANYTHING leech-like. (we're the leeches, remember?)

We should all be RESPECTFUL of FTF, even as we note that Centropy is "Long Dong Silver," and FTF is Napoleon's shriveled, 3-inch long museum piece.

Posted by Cubbs on 05-05-2002 01:48 AM:

Hmm, SVCD->VCD

I just started getting CD 1 so i haven't seen it yet, but it what people say is true, i think i'm going to do a high quality reencode to two VCDs. If for nothing else just for my own purposes. 1 less CD swap, and will work with a bunch more standalones.

*Shrug*

Posted by stuckx on 05-05-2002 02:05 AM:

CD2 PROBLEM NEED FIX

CD1 AND CD3 WORK PERFECT IN MY DVD (APEX AD-1500) BUT THE CD2 DONT WORK BUT IT WORK ON MY PC (POWER DVD). I just sracth 2 CD-R .. Please Do a Fix

Thx

Posted by Achilles97206 on 05-05-2002 02:26 AM:

This is not a Telesynch...

Ok, anyone else notice how the aspect ratio changes at almost every cut during the sample? It goes from really wide, to just sorta wide, and then back and forth again. I'm thinking this SVCD is from some kind of workprint because there's no reason the aspect ratio would change in the mpg... unless they messed up when they encoded it... there's also some weird large black shapes that show up at the top of the frame which appear to be masking something... anyone able to shed some light on this?

Posted by Visigoth on 05-05-2002 02:35 AM:

Anyone else notice that the AR switches alot from cut to cut?

Posted by Achilles97206 on 05-05-2002 02:38 AM:

Heh... answered my own question

This is DEFINATELY a workprint. If you notice - the aspect ratio goes down to it's proper 2.35:1 wherever there are digital effects. The movie was filmed originally at a different aspect ratio and the top and bottom are chopped off when it's scanned into the computer so they have less to deal with. The shots that haven't been modified on the computer maintain their taller aspect ratio of about 1.85:1. There is no way that this release came from a theater (not that it really matters, but it would be nice if Centropy actually told us the truth.) Anyway... just thought I'd fill people in.

Posted by plonk420 on 05-05-2002 03:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by [psycho]
fuckin amazing !!!
Im gettin a boner !!

bad boy! go sit in the corner!

Posted by plonk420 on 05-05-2002 03:12 AM:

i thought i heard there was an "invisible" watermark to make finding TS-makers easier... <cough> invisible <coughbullshitcough> hehe

also, my theater got some "don't pirate this movie or i'll tattle on you" letter with the movie, and someone also hung up a note from the MPAA (pirates are baaaad, m'kay?). funny, funny shit, yo!

i'm hearing despiration creeping into their voices... lol!

Posted by M_J on 05-05-2002 03:19 AM:

why a svcd?

my crappy dvd player cant hande svcd's but oh well. Im still downloading it! Excellent work Centropy. FTF take notes!

Posted by plonk420 on 05-05-2002 03:24 AM:

Re: Heh... answered my own question

quote:
Originally posted by Achilles97206
This is DEFINATELY a workprint. If you notice - the aspect ratio goes down to it's proper 2.35:1 wherever there are digital effects. The movie was filmed originally at a different aspect ratio and the top and bottom are chopped off when it's scanned into the computer so they have less to deal with. The shots that haven't been modified on the computer maintain their taller aspect ratio of about 1.85:1. There is no way that this release came from a theater (not that it really matters, but it would be nice if Centropy actually told us the truth.) Anyway... just thought I'd fill people in.

grrrrrr... it's NOT the AR that's changing, it's the matting. if the AR WERE changing, it'd get skinny and take up the whole frame (Scope is stretched 2:1; the lens squishes it back down again when projecting the image). and furthermore, "it's proper" AR is 1.85:1, 'cause Sony was ghetto like that.

Posted by MrHappy on 05-05-2002 04:23 AM:

This damned thing doesn't play in a Pioneer 440 which plays everything I throw at it. Plays like a PAL movie, audio fine but scrolling black and white picture.... Apparently this was done in a non-standardized SVCD format!?!? What a pain in the ass.... CTP owns but damnit why fuck with the norm on a movie like this.... yeesh.

Posted by rotweiler on 05-05-2002 04:42 AM:

Centropy's Release of Spiderman

Amazing.... absolutely amazing! - How the newbies fawn and genuflect everytime a Centropy release comes out - even a really bad one like this.

Before I am accused of matricide....read on. There is an SVCD standard. This release by Centropy is NOT to that standard and is therefore NOT playable on a majority of the dvd machines out there.

Now, you CAN continue to praise (usually from peeps who have only seen the sample jpegs; or you can send Centropy and other groups a message:

Your work is good; it is appreciated. But if you continue to release movies that very few can play, even the newbies will pass on your releases.

The one, the only, Rotweiler

Posted by adamg on 05-05-2002 04:51 AM:

You guys need to reconsider

Uh...
1. centropy rlsd this after TEG
2. the TEG rls is 2 cds, centropy is 3
3. TEG's rls looks every bit as good as ctp's
why the hell are you all giving so much praise to centropy? Sheep.

Posted by deftones6 on 05-05-2002 05:07 AM:

ya, i have an apex ad-1500 and i cant fast forward part 2 either, i can fast forward 3, but i havent tried 1. Does this happen to anyone that doesnt have an apex ad-1500, cause the other person who had the problem said they had the same problem.

Posted by deftones6 on 05-05-2002 05:17 AM:

hey, i answered my own question about disc 2. I extracted the mpeg data with iso buster to create an mpeg2, then burned it and it worked fine.

Posted by PlanNine on 05-05-2002 05:28 AM:

Thankful......

Firstly, I saw this movie in the theatre before I went looking to download it since I felt it deserved my $4.50. (Gotta love matinee discount shows)

Second, it's things like this that make me thankful I just play the movies off a laptop thats hooked into my entertainment system.

WinDVD (and sometimes even Media Player), on a laptop with solid video out to a TV saves me tons of headaches with worrying about VCD/SVCD compatibility, (and swapping discs), though I realize not everyone has such a luxury.

Maybe I'm nuts but the old saying of "beggers can't be choosers" comes to mind when I go looking for any release. I know I can't do better, so I'm thankful for whatever I can get from others, and I can't see that I have a right to bitch in any case.

There are 2 Spiderman releases out there now that I've seen. Are either of them perfect? Hell no. If you want perfection, stop looking on the web and wait for the DVD release. Centropy, FTF, TEG and others don't owe you or I anything , keep that in mind, and just be thankful for whatever you can get.

My 2 cents and I realize plenty will both agree and disagree with me. Constructive criticism welcome.

PlanNine
Outer Space Inc.

Posted by skunkyhydro on 05-05-2002 05:42 AM:

Re: Centropy's Release of Spiderman

quote:
Originally posted by rotweiler
Amazing.... absolutely amazing! - How the newbies fawn and genuflect everytime a Centropy release comes out - even a really bad one like this.

Before I am accused of matricide....read on. There is an SVCD standard. This release by Centropy is NOT to that standard and is therefore NOT playable on a majority of the dvd machines out there.

Now, you CAN continue to praise (usually from peeps who have only seen the sample jpegs; or you can send Centropy and other groups a message:

Your work is good; it is appreciated. But if you continue to release movies that very few can play, even the newbies will pass on your releases.

The one, the only, Rotweiler

finally someone with intelligence. i couldnt agree more rotweiler, i hate all these people who tounge centropys balls everytime they release something. and why all of sudden is ctp making svcds? the releases arent good enough to be svcds, and stupid newbies on this forum only see the jpgs, and think its amazing.

Posted by Cubbs on 05-05-2002 05:48 AM:

The more i read, the more it sounds like i'll be doing a reencode to 2 VCDs. Anyone interested? :P

Posted by skunkyhydro on 05-05-2002 05:51 AM:

i love how ctp mislables a workprint to a TS. Kinda sad really, but hey, all you lamers dont seem to mind. who really cares about spiderman anyway?

Posted by moviebootlegger on 05-05-2002 05:56 AM:

GGOD DAMMIT WHY THE HELL IS THIS SHIT A SVCD. WTF. IT AINT NO DVD RIP. WHATS THE POINT OF RELEASING A BOOTLEG MOVIE IF THE SOURCE IS BOOTLEG QUALITY AS A SVCD. IT BOGGLES MY MIND DAMMIT. WHATS THE POINT OF A HIGHER BITRATE IF THE BITRATE CANT MAKE THE MOVIE BETTER QUALITY. COULDA BEEN A GREAT QUALITY VCD (THAT PLAYS IS ALMOST ALL DVD PLYRS) AND IS ONLY 2 CDS. MAN CENTROPY RLS'S THE BEST QUALITY MOVIES AND ALL PLAY FINE IN MY DVD PLAYER (BUT NOT IN ALL DVDS AS I HEARD). THIS RLS GOTTA GET PROPERED TO A VCD BY SOMEONE. ONCE I GET IT IMA HAVE TO REENCODE CUZ 3 CDS IS A BITCH.

ALL IN ALL CENTROPY A GREAT RLS GROUP, EXCUSE ME I MEAN ONE OF THE BEST RLS GROUPS, BUT THEY GOTTA GET THEIR ENCODING 2GETHER HERE CUZ THERE IS NO NEED FOR A SVCD RLS HERE. U NEWBIES CANNOT JUDGE JPEGS U GOTTA C THE REEL SAMPLE TO CHECK HOW THE QUALITY IS. I DONT GOT THIS YET BUT I GOT THE CAM RLS TEG. ITS PRETTY GOOD. I WANNA C WHAT THEY DID WITH THIS ONE. AIGHT IM OUTZ HOLLA ;-)

Posted by Cardcaddy on 05-05-2002 06:10 AM:

Workprint, wake up. Its a TS. Movie played fine on a Pioneer 434 but would not play on a 444 audio but scrolling black and white picture. Any ideas on that one?

Posted by BobHasBigBalls on 05-05-2002 06:38 AM:

...........

FIRST OFF:

THIS IS NOT A WORKPRINT.

look at blade2. whenever theres a CGI scene it has the aspect ratio changing too. It has happened in a lot of CTP's releases.

Obviously the source has been recorded on tape and another has been done on the computer. When you put them together differences could occur. Im sure there is a logical reason, but for now, shut the fuck up with this workprint shit.

'Nuff said.

Posted by Gurpinder on 05-05-2002 06:43 AM:

how is this a workprint? looks pretty much like a fantastic quality ts to me. anyways, this release owns me, and so does ctp! excelent work!

Posted by Cerial on 05-05-2002 07:00 AM:

um... i dont mean to be an asshole, but to all the peolpe who replied to this thread "i think im going to reencode to 2 cd vcd". DOES ANYONE GIVE A FUCK. no gives a FUCK what u r going to do with tmpeg and a few hours of ur time. you dont need to come on here and say "svcd is stupid because im too cheap to buy a apex dvd player" and then think u r cool that ur going to re-encode the release... i really doubt if Centropy cares whether or not ur going to encode it to vcd or asf of divx or whatever format u feel like pulling out of ur ass.

Posted by Cerial on 05-05-2002 07:35 AM:

this is the first TS i've seen with another movie preview on the front... The Hulk.

Posted by Cubbs on 05-05-2002 07:49 AM:

Blah. I own an apex dvd player which does svcd just fine. The point of 2 vcds is no real quality loss on a ts and one less disc swap

hey, maybe no one cares that someone is going to reencode, but no one gives a fuck about your opinion about that, either.

Posted by deftones6 on 05-05-2002 08:28 AM:

i dont think this is a workprint, I noticed the black dot on the top right of the screen several times, and i wouldnt think that they would have that on a workprint, but thats just my guess. An awesome release, but for some reason I think the release of life or something like it was better.

Posted by Div on 05-05-2002 08:52 AM:

3CD SVCD TS, whats next... 4CD?
Yes... as has been said b4, it would have looked good enough as 2CD vcd.
The svcd is bad encoded too as it is very blocky in action scenes.

Another funny thing is that CTP starts talking about quality in their nfo. If there is one group which shouldn't talk about quality regarding to SVCD then it is them...

So anyway,
7/7 .. nothing amazing, just ok.
Ctp, It is time to head back to normal life again...,
That is VCD and 2CD SVCD for short movies.
Go back to svcd only when you have a progressive cam and a stereo input.

Posted by plonk420 on 05-05-2002 09:11 AM:

Re: Centropy's Release of Spiderman

quote:
Originally posted by rotweiler
[B]Before I am accused of matricide....read on. There is an SVCD standard. This release by Centropy is NOT to that standard and is therefore NOT playable on a majority of the dvd machines out there.

care to expand upon this? how is it not standard SVCD? i haven't seen it yet, but please expand upon this claim...

is the bitrate CBR (at a bitrate other than 1.15mbs)? audio VBR or MP3? total bitrate greater than 2824kbs?

Posted by plonk420 on 05-05-2002 09:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cubbs
The more i read, the more it sounds like i'll be doing a reencode to 2 VCDs. Anyone interested? :P

when and if you do, be sure to matte the pic to 1.85:1 it'll save some bits per frame and make it the way it was supposed to be shown. unless you want the screen "changing sizes" all the time, from what i hear.

a 1.85:1 image @ NTSC is matted at around 192 pixels tall (rounded to the nearest 16 pixels so as not to waste a hell of a lot of bits on a macroblock that is half black). not sure what PAL is...

Posted by pill on 05-05-2002 09:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by M_J
why a svcd?

my crappy dvd player cant hande svcd's but oh well. Im still downloading it! Excellent work Centropy. FTF take notes!

Burn the svcd as a vcd, i know in nero you can do this. most dvd players can play mpeg2 (svcd) but they look in the wrong dir for some reason. If it still wont work find a file called mpeg2codec_installer.zip and do bin -> mpg and then burn that as an vcd, garaunteed to work.

And cerial i for one think the hulk preview was worth ripping also, relevant and the only movie with it currently i think.

Posted by gizmo on 05-05-2002 09:40 AM:

amazing quality for a new theater release

I must say that this is one of the best quality release for a movie in the theater less than a week. I can't wait to watch the entire movie! Great work!

Posted by Norco01 on 05-05-2002 10:44 AM:

I have to agree with Cerial about people not being idiots and telling us what they are going to waste time doing. Just because you have a shitty ass dvd player that doesn't play SVCD's isn't our problem, and your too poor to buy a cheaply made apex player for 50 bucks at walmart is nothing we need to hear about. This release is way better than TEG's, Teg's is a CAM, The cam looses to everything, cropped picture, hollow sound, subtitles, wow doesn't that sound like a great release. I saw this movie originally in the theaters and then grabbed this centropy release to watch again and its great quality. I wish they would keep up these great svcd's of new releases that way a) less newbies download it because there's way too many b) no more *propers* of *propers*. We have enough of those with dvd rips, it gets annoying after awhile with vcd's too and nobody knows what to download. Ok peeps, if you have a problem with this encoding style and the change of aspect ratio is offensive to you, dont download it, dont watch it, and dont enjoy this great movie. Props to centropy, fighting the green goblin movie industry.

Posted by Achilles97206 on 05-05-2002 10:58 AM:

ok, I stand corrected... the matting is changing... so where the hell did this come from? it's not from a theater... has to be a workprint right?

Posted by LuDes on 05-05-2002 11:17 AM:

pretty nice

better than the cam ,but colors werent as vivid .... overall one of the best TS's ive seen in a while. AR is a little meh but its workable. sound kicks ass ... 3 cd's i can handle , and lucky me my dvd player plays svcd..

And the rest of u can kiss my ass

Posted by ^Om3n on 05-05-2002 11:59 AM:

ok heres my 2 cents... (only have cd1)

great release, perhaps better as a vcd instead of svcd, but quit complaining its a hell of a ts.

as far as complience goes im not sure, i didn't check, but as said so many times before almost all of centropys releases are fully complient PAL s/vcd. The problem is with your dvd players mpeg2 decoding, or the fact that some look in the wrong place for the video file. i have never had a problem with any of centropys s/vcd's even the few that are not quite exactly s/vcd standard (as far as playing them is concerned)

and to all of you who are complaining that its svcd and should have been vcd, quit ya whining eh. they delived exactly what ppl asked and hinted for in the 'life or something like it' thread, and that was a high quality svcd of the movie

and i aint sucking centropy's balls, like all groups they have there good points and the bad ones, as well as their share of shitty ass releases, but this was a great ts

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Posted by turkey on 05-05-2002 01:54 PM:

ive seen this (all of it not the sample), and there is now way 3cds is needed for a TS. Total waste of 3rd cd. if it wasnt centropy you would be slaying the release groups asses

Posted by phpdood on 05-05-2002 01:58 PM:

much respect to ftf, hbo or whatever they wanna call themself, i got all 3 CDs... and going to burn them and then watch 'em on my big screen tely... u suckas who dun have dis yet, GET IT it's the best release yet!

Posted by DarklordXP on 05-05-2002 03:41 PM:

Whats everybodys problem ???

Hey guys just buy yourself a good DVD-Player not the shitty cheap ones, and u´ll have no problem.

Everybody´s complaining about SVCD. Iam happy with this, bcause they are Great. And if there are 2 or 3 CD´s i really don´t care.

So, Centropy should go on releasing SVCD !!!!!!

Posted by XCheMiCal on 05-05-2002 04:34 PM:

First off I want to say that this svcd copy kicks ass. I been downloading movies for a very long time I'm no newbie.
I just wanted to say a few things first off I'm sick of all this newbies asking why ctp made this svcd and not vcd.
Or why its not good because it won't play for them or that centropy is going to lose people because they are doing svcds.

A)The reason Centropy made this svcd is because it looks much better then a damn vcd this is one of the best svcds I have ever
seen of a "new" movie. And I hope they don't stop just because a bunch of newbies are bitching.

B)If it don't play on your cheap ass Apex too bad buy a new dvd
Player and quit bitching.The only people that are crying about Ctp making this svcd are the people that can't play it.

C) I don't think Centropy will lose that many people if a buch of dumb ass newbies don't like the svcds.

D) And for everyone else that is saying that it was a bad move for centropy to make this svcd and not vcd like before I only have one question for you. Whats the last time you seen a vcd with this kind of quality? (Answer NEVER") So quit your Bitching

Teg-vcd was not even close to this quality people that are saying it was. Are dumb asses that are only looking at the pics watch the damn movie people then talk.

I will say this once again this copy kicks ass I love it I hope Centropy does this for as many movies as they can.and one last thing people quit bitching about the ratio Bottom line this movie
and Centropy own....

Posted by skunkyhydro on 05-05-2002 04:34 PM:

everyone quit bitchin about disc swaps, go buy a 5 disc changer from all the money you save from not paying for movies. and to the people who say this isnt a workprint and is def a ts, explain to me how the AR would change if its from a theatre? untill you can do that, shut the fuck up. its an ok release but they failed to please everyone as we can see by all the people complaining about disc swaps and svcds. if it was a truly great release like all of you claim it is, then it would please everyone and there wouldnt be any bitches.

Posted by necrome99 on 05-05-2002 05:10 PM:

hmm..for some reason my copy of cd 3 doesnt go all the way till the end of the movie..it just cuts off at where hobgoblin is beating the hell out of spiderman close to the end..does everyone else's copy do the same? great quality overall though and release!

Posted by rappa on 05-05-2002 05:10 PM:

WoW....So many dalnet faggets. This is a good ts, nice audio and pic, but no it cant pass as a tc. In a TC the colors dont flicker becuase you have direct pic, and in ctp's it does. This is also ALOT better quality then a life or something. They spent 3days doing a life or something so they can do spiderman for you all. Give them props, just like u should to every other release grp for taking there time to put stuff out for u.

For all of you complaining about how its SVCD, SVCD is for better quality. They got as far as they could w/ VCD so there making them SVCD witch is SUPER vcd dumbass. O and for all u fuckers that think its a workprint, go back to wherever u came from cuz that is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

As far as a reencode? Laf, Its not CTP's fault u got a shitty ass DVD Player. My pioneer plays this great, and NO it is not blocky during fighting scenes, it stays the same. I watched the whole movie around 7last nite and had no probs, great release and stop your bitching if u dont like it cuz u dont have to dl it.

Posted by ^Om3n on 05-05-2002 05:14 PM:

i previously told ppl to quit complaining at this ect ect

i also said they have their share of shitty ass releases, dispite quality, this is one of those, they seemed to have fucked up cd2 and 3 somewhere along the lines.. compatability/complience wise

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Posted by BigDook on 05-05-2002 05:30 PM:

To all those people who have posted on here with anything other than thanks and praise for Centropys release.

Non-SVCD compliant/swapping more cd's/WorkPrint or TS/SVCD rather than VCD!!!!

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!......if u have payed good fucking money for something, and it turns out to be shit, and not what you expected. Then you have the right to complain

BULLSHIT!....you ain't payed a fuckin penny for it!, CTP work their ass off and risky getting caught doing this shit and for what?....to hear some whining little bitches moan about it!...FUCK THAT!....Quit bitching and be thankful for what you have got!.....u really think CTP and other groups like seeing their releases bitched about?, what would happen if they all thought "FUCK THIS!, ppl don't like our shit, why should we even bother?" Then you'd end up with NO releases and end up having to go to pay for the movie.

YOU HAVE NO GOD-DAMN RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! just give these groups praise!

Centropy!, nice work, very much appreciated, keep it up!

Posted by pennst26 on 05-05-2002 05:43 PM:

@Centropy - You guys rock! Pay no mind to the noobs that complain. You are the trend setters in the scene, and you lit a fire under the asses of some other groups, to release better quality flicks. And it worked, the scene is alot better all around because of your releases. Now the releases from other groups are improving alot too.

@Complaining Noobs - VCD is a very lossy format, the svcd is the only way you can get any better quality. I think this will only grow, and more will release in this format soon. Eventually there will be just one maybe two groups releasing VCD, and that's just for you! The quality stuff, will be reserved for peeps with quality equipment. And it is Compliant, just PAL is all

Posted by Div on 05-05-2002 05:48 PM:

quote:

For all of you complaining about how its SVCD, SVCD is for better quality.

ohh yaaa.. well at least make it 2cd svcd then instead of putting 111min on 3CD.

quote:

and NO it is not blocky during fighting scenes, it stays the same.

Yep it is.. you can even see it in the sample.

quote:

i also said they have their share of shitty ass releases, dispite quality, this is one of those, they seemed to have fucked up cd2 and 3 somewhere along the lines.. compatability/complience wise

CTP+SVCD is no go, just take a look at their releases the past year. Repacks all the way baby!

Posted by ^Om3n on 05-05-2002 06:23 PM:

guess so, never got a shitty ctp release before, complience wise that is

maybe i just pick the right ones to dl lol

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Posted by Buffy93089 on 05-05-2002 06:55 PM:

I thought this was one hell of a TS. I thought that it was gonig to be like a DVD, but I was surprised when I got the sample. It isn't DVD quality, but a very very very good release! I do have to admit, though, Centropy needs to release way more if they want to stay at #1!

8/8/10

Posted by skunkyhydro on 05-05-2002 07:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by RaPpA
WoW....So many dalnet faggets. This is a good ts, nice audio and pic, but no it cant pass as a tc. In a TC the colors dont flicker becuase you have direct pic, and in ctp's it does. This is also ALOT better quality then a life or something. They spent 3days doing a life or something so they can do spiderman for you all. Give them props, just like u should to every other release grp for taking there time to put stuff out for u.

For all of you complaining about how its SVCD, SVCD is for better quality. They got as far as they could w/ VCD so there making them SVCD witch is SUPER vcd dumbass. O and for all u fuckers that think its a workprint, go back to wherever u came from cuz that is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

As far as a reencode? Laf, Its not CTP's fault u got a shitty ass DVD Player. My pioneer plays this great, and NO it is not blocky during fighting scenes, it stays the same. I watched the whole movie around 7last nite and had no probs, great release and stop your bitching if u dont like it cuz u dont have to dl it.

youre prob the only dalnet fag in here man, i cant remember the last time i went on dal, let alone irc. and it is a workprint you fool, explain to me how its a ts, when the AR keeps changing? you need to shut the fuck up cause you are pissing me off with your obtuse comments.

Posted by Papillon on 05-05-2002 07:23 PM:

Top

Top and nothing i have to say more!

Posted by brr8760 on 05-05-2002 07:30 PM:

I thought PlanNine said what needs to be said here, better than anyone else so far-- on page three of this thread.

Posted by Krakn3Dfx on 05-05-2002 08:14 PM:

This is a good transfer, especially considering the movie just came out Friday. Having said that, don't do yourself the disservice of watching this on your monitor or TV when you can see it in the theater, it's well worth the price of admission, and I hope to hell they bring back Raimi as director for the sequel(s).

Posted by ams30gts on 05-05-2002 08:21 PM:

good movie

just saw the movie in the theater. i thought it was very good. cant wait to get a copy

Posted by philly b on 05-05-2002 08:28 PM:

read the fucking nfo for christs sake, its an svcd for a reason. personally i dig it, whats so wrong? ohhhh ohhhh standards. take your fucking standards and throw em up your ass, this is a fucking warez scene, there are no standards.

Posted by hippyhater on 05-05-2002 08:57 PM:

hahahaha

this is an awesome quality release

it plays perfectly (all 3 disks) in my apex, my toshiba

and my dads panasonic

this isnt a workprint, it does change ratios or whatever a few times but its barely noticeable

the quality is better than ANY and i mean ANY other ts that i have ever seen

it is a SVCD for a higher bitrate only, it is not a dvd rip, just cuz its a SVCD does not mean it is a dvd rip.

quote:
We are very much aware of the possible objections some may have in regards to this choise of format, but we arent here to follow old standards, but rather make our own in the pursuit of higher quality releases.

call me a lamer, like i care about your opinion

this is a GREAT quality release

if it dont work, spend the 3 minutes to re-encode it.

or go download the god damn cam.

Posted by Dave456 on 05-05-2002 09:22 PM:

Won't play in my Pioneer DV-440

I am having trouble playing this in my Pioneer DV-440. I have heard a few other users saying the same thing. When i play it, the audio plays but the screen is black and white and shaking up and down. I have no clue what is causing this and no clue how to fix it! If anyone knows how i can fix this, please help me!

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Posted by yvo on 05-05-2002 09:35 PM:

It seems that what we have here is a TS that for some reason is an open matte of a movie with a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. This explains why a mic can be seen in at least one scene and why the aspect ratio changes for special effects scenes.

Two questions though. Why would a movie theater show a movie this way and why would anyone release it without properly matteing it?

Posted by skunkyhydro on 05-05-2002 09:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pennst26

@Complaining Noobs - VCD is a very lossy format, the svcd is the only way you can get any better quality. [/i]

haha you can only get better quality if its good to begin with, making it on a svcd wont increase quality automatically.

Posted by tim087 on 05-05-2002 09:41 PM:

I have been having probles untaring it

Posted by PepperKorn on 05-05-2002 09:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by philly b
read the fucking nfo for christs sake, its an svcd for a reason. personally i dig it, whats so wrong? ohhhh ohhhh standards. take your fucking standards and throw em up your ass, this is a fucking warez scene, there are no standards.

Ahhhhh the voice of reason......

Yes there are standards and very strict ones for SVCD, CTP have been releasing XVCD's for ages now and they seem to be having trouble understanding SVCD too.

Movie looks good and sounds good, aspect ratio (another place CPT always screws up) is up and down again, looks better on a TV than a large (18.1" LCD) monitor. No problem with PAL as it is the standard here.

Nice release but time to read up on those standards or people will be pulling *proper*'s and *repack*'s before you know it.

Posted by PaulAllen on 05-05-2002 09:57 PM:

[STFU! -Pazzi]

Posted by PaulAllen on 05-05-2002 10:01 PM:

And CTP, I'm no techfreak, but

if you try to move the camera sligthly *away* from the screen, maybe you'll get the *whole* picture,

and not just the center part of it

Posted by koreylaw on 05-05-2002 10:36 PM:

Might be workprint

I saw this one in the theatre and this release seems to be the same without any noticeable scene changes. The only thing that makes me think workprint is the fact that (I read most of the other post and I didn't see any mention) several times thoroughout the movie you can see a boom microphone sticking down from the top into the scene. I did not see that in the theatre. Anyone else notice that ???? You see that a lot in workprints and I've seen several and that seems to be in a lot of them. Anyone else have a comment on this ????

Posted by NIN on 05-06-2002 12:36 AM:

I am in the USA and am wondering. Is there a way to convert it from a PAL to a NTSC? I think it is great that it is in SVCD, thank you centropy. The only problem I am having is lines going up the screen therefore its not viewable. Audio is OK. I suspect this is because it's a PAL. So how do I convert it to view here in the USA? Please advice.

Posted by M_J on 05-06-2002 01:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pill

Burn the svcd as a vcd, i know in nero you can do this. most dvd players can play mpeg2 (svcd) but they look in the wrong dir for some reason. If it still wont work find a file called mpeg2codec_installer.zip and do bin -> mpg and then burn that as an vcd, garaunteed to work.

And cerial i for one think the hulk preview was worth ripping also, relevant and the only movie with it currently i think.

thanks pill, ill try that.

Posted by pennst26 on 05-06-2002 01:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by skunkyhydro

haha you can only get better quality if its good to begin with, making it on a svcd wont increase quality automatically.

I assume that means you don't think the quality of this release is better???? Whatever, it isn't worth the effort to explain this. We must have different versions cause this is the best release so far.

I truly feel bad for those with problems playing it, but as for those who don't like swapping disks, get out your video camera and record it yourself. Or record the CTP release to a tape/ reencode it at a lower bitrate, and you'll see why they used three cds.

Typically, (note typically) SVCDs 90 min or under use 2cds, anything higher should use three. I ripped "Eyes Wide Shut", and used 4cds just because of quality.

Posted by acid^rain on 05-06-2002 01:44 AM:

NIN convert it to a mpg and load it into the svcd option in NERO and make sure its set to NTSC in the compilation info option then burn and it should be fine

Posted by Cerial on 05-06-2002 03:02 AM:

i guess im just an odd person, but if im watching an action/adventure movie, which i assume this is, i dont pay attenetion to boom mikes randomly showing up... i watched this release all the way through and other than the black bars changing sizes every once-in-a-while i didnt notice the boom mikes. i believe taht they are there, but come on, who cares

Posted by yvo on 05-06-2002 03:12 AM:

I think it's quite obvious that this is an open matte of a movie with a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. This is why boom mics show up and why the special effect sequences have a different aspect ratio. If the top and bottom had been cropped the way they were supposed to be you wouldn't notice these things.

The question is how come a movie theater is showing a movie open matte? It doesn't make sense.

Posted by PhAnToMs on 05-06-2002 03:28 AM:

GREAT

Wouldnt expect better this is a great release and its fare to say that ctp ownz the TS seen because they are releasing more and more movies every week its great to see them back to what they used to be like

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Posted by NIN on 05-06-2002 03:52 AM:

acid_rain I already tried that and still wont play. I am getting very frustrated.

Posted by dumwaldo on 05-06-2002 03:57 AM:

this thread is currently at 90 posts. i just couldnt let it get to 100 without mentioning to all of you this is NOT a SVCD. this is a XSVCD with a NON-STANDARD resolution of 768x567 as opposed to a standard SVCD resolution of 480x567. i am surprised nobody picked that up from the jpg's even.

if it was encoded as a SVCD it most likley would have fit on 2 CD's but since it is a XSVCD with a much higher than standard resolution it had to be stretched across 3 CD's.

and by the way i am inclined to go along with the workprint theory because the AR does indeed change throughout the movie and at some points you even see a boom mic fall into the frame.

despite these things that some people consider short comings this is a very good looking release.

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Posted by hpv on 05-06-2002 04:05 AM:

Apex is hardly the best DVD player for playing SVCD. But I agree, kids need to buy a decent player and stfu.

quote:
Originally posted by Cerial
um... i dont mean to be an asshole, but to all the peolpe who replied to this thread "i think im going to reencode to 2 cd vcd". DOES ANYONE GIVE A FUCK. no gives a FUCK what u r going to do with tmpeg and a few hours of ur time. you dont need to come on here and say "svcd is stupid because im too cheap to buy a apex dvd player" and then think u r cool that ur going to re-encode the release... i really doubt if Centropy cares whether or not ur going to encode it to vcd or asf of divx or whatever format u feel like pulling out of ur ass.

Posted by K-FurY on 05-06-2002 04:23 AM:

At first I thought all the ppl saying it was a wp were idiots, but after watching the whole movie i did notice the boom mic, so that totally changed my oppinion. I do not have any problems with that, but if it is a wp why doesnt ctp just label it that? Anyways Im not having any problems playing this (i have a Hitachi DVP-415U) and i thought it was an excellent rls. The whole disc swapping thing does not bother me and the switching AR isnt that bad either. Like Dumwaldo said I think it may be a XSVCD, that may be why there is so many compliance problems. Anyways great rls 9/9/8.5

Posted by devilbeast on 05-06-2002 04:23 AM:

Well i dunno wtf is wrong w/ u ppl.....but ppl praise ctp because they are a really good rls group....all you that bitch and complain you go fucken find this and rls it better than them, or go see it in theatres....its fucking FREE SO STFU BE HAPPY WITH ANYTHING YOU CAN GET fucken retards. And id like to see that this IS a good rls and im not going by the jpg's like some ppl

Posted by Gurpinder on 05-06-2002 04:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dumwaldo
this thread is currently at 90 posts. i just couldnt let it get to 100 without mentioning to all of you this is NOT a SVCD. this is a XSVCD with a NON-STANDARD resolution of 768x567 as opposed to a standard SVCD resolution of 480x567. i am surprised nobody picked that up from the jpg's even.

i just checked out that claim by opening the sample in tmpgs demux tool (witch gives properties aswell and here is what it said :

video_stream 0x00 MPEG-2 Video 480x576 25fps 2500kbps
audio_stream 0x00 MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 44100Hz 224kbps

that seems pretty much like a PAL svcd and not an xsvcd to me.

Posted by devilbeast on 05-06-2002 04:34 AM:

Well guys i dunno what is wrong w/ u but you have no reason to complain the slightest bit...there is nothing wrong w/ this..ppl praise ctp because they are a xtremely good rls group. If you dont like how something is done i would RLY RLY like to see u go out and fucken get this and rls it.....or you can not download it and go see it at the fuckin movies...it rly doesnt matter its FUCKIN FREE, DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING FREE be happy with any thing god damn. And it is a very good rls, very quick and for the speed very nice qual id like to thank any one who helps w/ rls's.

Posted by TheHolyOne on 05-06-2002 04:50 AM:

Great release. Hella good job fellas

Posted by moviebootlegger on 05-06-2002 05:22 AM:

u people who keep sayin "its fucking free so dont bitch," thi is a forum. PEOPLE GIVE THEIR COMMENTS ON A FORUM. WE GIVE OUR INPUT ON WHAT WE THINK. SO IF ITS A SHITTY BOOTLEG WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SAY GREAT RELEASE FOR EFFORT. NO! WE TELL IT LIKE IT IS. IF SOMETHIN FUCKEd UP WE WILL CRITIQUE IT. I UNDERSTAND WE GET THIS FOR FREE BUT WE GOT A RIGTH TO SAY THIS RELEASE SUCKS ASS. THATS THE POINT OF THE FORUM. TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS WITH NO SUGAR COATING. GROUPS ENTER THE SCENE AND THEY KNOW PEOPLE WILL GIVE INPUT ON IT GOOD OR BAD. THAT HELPS THEM GET BETTER ALSO. dammit i hate people who constantly preach that gay ass saying every rls on this damn forum. PEOPLE MAKE BAD COMMENTS ON THE BOOTLEGS SO LIVE WITH IT!

this rls sounds nice but as i said b4 SVCD IS POINTLESS FOR A TS. REALLY GUYS. ONCE sOMEONE PROPERS THIS INTO VCD AND U GUYS WHO SUCKIN CTP's NUTS FOR THE QUALITY ON THIS SVCD WILL FEEL RETARDED FOR SAYIN SVCD WAS BETTER FOR THIS MOVIE. ITS THE SAME SHIT! AND YOU WILL C THAT AND THEN ITLL B ONE LESS CD. IM SURE THE QUALITY WILL B EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS FOR CTP BUT VCD SUITS THEIR TS's BETTER. THATS HOW IT IS AND THOSE WHO OPPOSE GIME ONE GOOD REASON WHY SVCD WAS BETTER FOR THIS MOVIE!

Posted by Chunky on 05-06-2002 06:12 AM:

Why is everyone bitching about XSVCD,SVCD and VCD, if it was just encoded to a nice DivX file, it would be, smaller, faster and easier to download and you could reencode it to whatever the fuck format you wanted to watch with your shitty dvd players. You all know DivX is a superior format for video when it comes to quality and compression due to it being MPEG4 over MPEG 1 or 2.

I know your all lazy and don't like to reencode movies, but why waste so much bandwidth downloading 3 cd's at like 1.8 gig as apposed to a comparatively small 700 meg at same or better quality?

I appologise this being a VCD site after all and me being a huge DivX fan, having dvd quality movies on a single CD. But it really is an inefficient way of distributing data. Lowering res to 352 x 288 rather than keeping it at around 720 x 572 and letting it take up double or even triple the space.

I feel sorry for all the ppl lowering the res by reencoding to VCD, just pay 50 bucks for a TV out card for your crappy PC's and you'll never worry about what format it's in ever again. Wheither it's XSVCD, VCD, SVCD, DVD, DivX or whatever appears in the future, and the quality will remain the same.

Posted by Richdawg on 05-06-2002 06:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by moviebootlegger
u people who keep sayin "its fucking free so dont bitch," thi is a forum. PEOPLE GIVE THEIR COMMENTS ON A FORUM. WE GIVE OUR INPUT ON WHAT WE THINK. SO IF ITS A SHITTY BOOTLEG WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SAY GREAT RELEASE FOR EFFORT. NO! WE TELL IT LIKE IT IS. IF SOMETHIN FUCKEd UP WE WILL CRITIQUE IT. I UNDERSTAND WE GET THIS FOR FREE BUT WE GOT A RIGTH TO SAY THIS RELEASE SUCKS ASS. THATS THE POINT OF THE FORUM. TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS WITH NO SUGAR COATING. GROUPS ENTER THE SCENE AND THEY KNOW PEOPLE WILL GIVE INPUT ON IT GOOD OR BAD. THAT HELPS THEM GET BETTER ALSO. dammit i hate people who constantly preach that gay ass saying every rls on this damn forum. PEOPLE MAKE BAD COMMENTS ON THE BOOTLEGS SO LIVE WITH IT!

this rls sounds nice but as i said b4 SVCD IS POINTLESS FOR A TS. REALLY GUYS. ONCE sOMEONE PROPERS THIS INTO VCD AND U GUYS WHO SUCKIN CTP's NUTS FOR THE QUALITY ON THIS SVCD WILL FEEL RETARDED FOR SAYIN SVCD WAS BETTER FOR THIS MOVIE. ITS THE SAME SHIT! AND YOU WILL C THAT AND THEN ITLL B ONE LESS CD. IM SURE THE QUALITY WILL B EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS FOR CTP BUT VCD SUITS THEIR TS's BETTER. THATS HOW IT IS AND THOSE WHO OPPOSE GIME ONE GOOD REASON WHY SVCD WAS BETTER FOR THIS MOVIE!

Again....someone realizes what this forum is for. If its crap then well say its crap. We know its free and can watch it in the movie theaters. Dont know why everyone is so debating when they give their opinion. I mean if we didnt diss FTF so much then they wouldnt get better. Think about that

But this release is pretty good to me, played fine on my Apex.

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Achilles97206
ok, I stand corrected... the matting is changing... so where the hell did this come from? it's not from a theater... has to be a workprint right?

working at a theater, i can second that because of the matting, it can't be done at a theater. or at least a *good* theater, due to lenses

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by turkey
ive seen this (all of it not the sample), and there is now way 3cds is needed for a TS. Total waste of 3rd cd. if it wasnt centropy you would be slaying the release groups asses

yes, 3 cds are needed for a SVCD. you can get around 60 mins on an (80 min) SVCD. but that's granted you have a clean source like DVD quality. it does suck, but for the quality if the rls, it's worth it. i'd be a naysayer of the quality was ANY worse than this or Life or Something Like It.

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by BigDook
To all those people who have posted on here with anything other than thanks and praise for Centropys release.

Non-SVCD compliant/swapping more cd's/WorkPrint or TS/SVCD rather than VCD!!!!

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!......if u have payed
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someone make me an admin!

we don't need 3-5 pages worth of pissing and main. we get the point. this has already been siad

Posted by plonk420 on 05-06-2002 06:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pennst26
Typically, (note typically) SVCDs 90 min or under use 2cds, anything higher should use three. I ripped "Eyes Wide Shut", and used 4cds just because of quality.

if there were others around when you were checking quality, you must've had to do a inconspicuously nonchalant pants check before jumping up and changing discs...

lol

Posted by zappenduster on 05-06-2002 06:56 AM:

ok i didnt see the movie yet but i got a idea for the ar changing and open matte (boom mik) problem
most of the movies get a workprint done mostly vhs but if the director wants it for cinema maybe only a little to show the movie to the studio bosses or what ever what if this copy did leak out to centropy there we got a workprint for cinema and a telesync is possible to done from that so whats the prob ?

i personally accept 3cd releases without any prob cause more bitrate means higher quality damn we got lines in mbit ranges hdds with more then 100 gig, cd writers that burn a cd in under 5min so why do u bother about a 3rd cd ?

Posted by Natural on 05-06-2002 09:09 AM:

Re: You guys need to reconsider

quote:
Originally posted by adamg
Uh...
1. centropy rlsd this after TEG
2. the TEG rls is 2 cds, centropy is 3
3. TEG's rls looks every bit as good as ctp's
why the hell are you all giving so much praise to centropy? Sheep.

LOL. yea upon comparing this to the subbed cam i really can't notice a difference. lol. jk of course. get some glasses guy

props to teg on a quick rls, but give some credit where it's due. i don't ride ctp's dick like a lot of people here, but i still gotta say this is a helluva nice rls. nice work

Posted by devilbeast on 05-06-2002 03:59 PM:

I'm not sayin ppl cant sway its a bad rls if it is, but really im just saying that when people complain that its not good enough for them thats when they need to shut up, its good that ppl comment so if a group does look they can do some of the things, but rly guygs gotta try and be a little nicer about it, they do this shit for us cmon give em some credit...even if it sux they atleast tried to get it for us free instead of paying but yea comment on the qual and shit like that thats good

Posted by Krakn3Dfx on 05-06-2002 04:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Div

Yep it is.. you can even see it in the sample.

It depends on the decoder quality. I get alot of blockiness on my PC at work which is a PII-350 w/ a crap ATI Rage Pro, but on my Apex 3201 at home, I get no blockiness in the fight scenes. It's just a sign that the decoder is not able to keep up and isn't across the board.

Posted by Hitman47 on 05-06-2002 09:12 PM:

i commend centropy on the wonderful, fast release, but seriously, i dont see what the need of SVCDs are. My dvd player cant play them, so really, i have to wait for a screener or a tc of this great movie. centropy if you read this PLEASE no more SVCD TS! thanx

Posted by EarlyGrace on 05-06-2002 09:42 PM:

I agree, most DVD players don't support SVCD, but almost every DVD player supports VCD. Pretend you are living in the eighties, and you are going to release a bootleg on Video Tape, do you choose Beta or VHS, Beta may be better in many ways but the vast majority have VHS.

To me it does not seem worth while buying another DVD player just to play SVCD's. If I want mpeg2 quality I will wait for the DVD to be released. I realize that SVCD Quality is much better because it is Mpeg2 instead of Mpeg1, but it can only be as good as its source and if it is a TS what is the point of making it a SVCD.

And if you watch your movies sitting infront of the computer then you are a lost cause.

EarlyGrace

Posted by philly b on 05-06-2002 09:54 PM:

quote:
Hey, FTF has: a) greatly improved their quality, b) created a lot of movies, c) released them faster than anyone, and d) has never done ANYTHING leech-like. (we're the leeches, remember?)

your the leech.

and keep these svcd TS's comin centropy.
if you cant play svcds buy a better dvd player or reencode.

Posted by conlia-98 on 05-06-2002 10:20 PM:

Kewl !!!

Gr8 release . Release more on SVCD they rock . No Blue Hue on This Release . audio also much better on Most ceNtropy Releases

Nice Intro

9/9/9

CoNLia98

Posted by y2dan on 05-06-2002 10:36 PM:

awesome rls.

Posted by 2B@D on 05-06-2002 11:11 PM:

What Can I Say, This Is ONE Top Quality Centropy Releases..

Props To You Guys.. Well Enjoyed This Release And WASENT diasapointed in the slightest!!! Exellent Stuff..

All I can really say is.. keep up the great Work Guys/Galz.. You Running the TS scene ;o)) AighT!!

Posted by Achilles97206 on 05-07-2002 12:34 AM:

All I'm going to say now is that I wish Centropy would learn about ASPECT RATIOS. This was filmed at 4:3 and then should have been matted down to 1.85:1 when they encoded it - instead, they squished down the 4:3 to 1.85:1 thus making everything look fat and then we have the actual hard-matting from the studio during all the effects shots, thus bringing those down to a wierd looking 2.35:1 or so.

Centropy: learn your aspect ratios and keep them in mind in the future.

My $.02

Posted by dumwaldo on 05-07-2002 01:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Gurpinder

i just checked out that claim by opening the sample in tmpgs demux tool (witch gives properties aswell and here is what it said :

video_stream 0x00 MPEG-2 Video 480x576 25fps 2500kbps
audio_stream 0x00 MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 44100Hz 224kbps

that seems pretty much like a PAL svcd and not an xsvcd to me.

first off what you are reading in TMPGEnc is wrong. i did the same thing and it said 480x567 for me as well so you did see that in TMPGEnc but that is wrong.

open the sample with windows media player and right click the screen and select properties and go to the details tab and you will see the correct resolution displayed there.

to verify it is oversized all you need to do is look at a few of the screen shots of other SVCDs on this site. go look at any 3 random SVCDs and then look at the jpg's for this release and you will see it is infact oversized.

BTW for future refrence you should always check your facts in more than one place before you say something. computer glitches are very common and when it comes to Tsunami's mpeg encoder it seems to have more glitches than most. personally i am getting very tired of it and i am considering trying panasonic's mpeg encoder.

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Posted by pHo on 05-07-2002 01:58 AM:

i did the caps for this rls, so i'll just do my thing...

afaik, its not xsvcd. centropy may try n pull the wool over ppls eyes with regard to bitrates, but they're usually ok about resolution.

Ok, standard NTSC SVCD resolution is 480x480. Fine. But thats 1:1 ratio, and our TVs are 4:3 right? take caps at 480x480 and the image is a cube, and looks distorted. So what happens is the hardware decodes the image from 1:1 to 4:3, giving us a new aspect ratio of 640x480 (the vertical resolution is the key here) which is now a nice rectangle perfect for watching on our 4:3 tvs.

However, PAL standard is 480x576. so again the image has to go thru the same conversion process as the NTSC image, and you'll find when the horizontal resolution is multiplied by 4/3 we get, 768.

As you might've guessed this image would be far to big for our site, so i scaled them down to NTSC standards, so they are exactly the same size as my SVCD caps. (i haven't done many in a while.. i do whatever stuff im sent or i can be bothered to do whilst bored) i should start watermarking my caps.. guarantee of quality lol

My opinion on the release? yeah its nice, props to them. But in my opinion , more care should've been take, the whole movie could've been cropped to 1.85:1 letterbox, and the bitrate reduced accordingly, hence fitting the movie onto 2xCDR80s without too much problem.

Centropy, you have the suppliers, just take a bit more time over your encoding now. Glad to see you've abolished rls'ing XVCDs as VCD, but u need to learn more about refining your SVCDs if you decide to continue with this path.

ps personally, i would make sure your dvd player was compatable playing DVD, VCD, SVCD, X(S)VCD in forced PAL/NTSC and CDR before purchase if this is what you want to play. I have a $500 DVD player for DVDs (a Sony) and a $150 Dansai that will play anything else. And wont fall apart :P

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Posted by Cmale3d on 05-07-2002 02:20 AM:

GOOD STUFF !!!!!

Spidy is awesome!!!!!--thx CTP

Posted by tphillip on 05-07-2002 02:29 AM:

Merging Spiderman with TMPGENC

someone plz help me! i tried to merge the psiderman svcd with tmpgenc over 10 times! it just won't work! it completes, but hten when i try to play it, the time reads 1:26:58. And the size is 1.5 gb!! WTF?? WHY WONT IT WORK????

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Posted by Gurpinder on 05-07-2002 02:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dumwaldo
first off what you are reading in TMPGEnc is wrong. i did the same thing and it said 480x567 for me as well so you did see that in TMPGEnc but that is wrong.

no. what you are reading in TMPG is the factual resolution of the mpg.

quote:
Originally posted by dumwaldo
open the sample with windows media player and right click the screen and select properties and go to the details tab and you will see the correct resolution displayed there.

no, mediaplayer displays the 4/3 resized resolution of the mpg

quote:
Originally posted by dumwaldo
BTW for future refrence you should always check your facts in more than one place before you say something.

for future reference, you should know what your talking about instead of talking out of your ass.

Posted by hopeless on 05-07-2002 03:59 AM:

spiderman scvd by centropyis shit!!!

the pioneer 440 has played every vcd and svcd i have ever stuck in it. but this release from centropy doesn't play for shit. ill stick with the cam vdc the sound isn't the best but atleast it will play. don't wast your time downloading this one

Posted by HuFFKING on 05-07-2002 07:18 AM:

Centropy 4 LIFE

Everyone else in this biz should learn some shit from these people AMAZING WORK PLZ REALSES MORE MOVIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by liquid on 05-07-2002 08:19 AM:

pioneer dvd players

the reason why your pioneer dvd player is having problems playing this release, is because the release is in PAL, not NTSC. Audio is fine right? But the video is B&W and flickering/scrolling right?

It's because it's PAL and in the US the standard is NTSC.

Posted by Mongrel on 05-07-2002 08:24 AM:

Ok, a svcd release may not be necessary, but the why would you not spend 80 dollars on an apex to be able to play svcd's? Svcd's are the shit the more svcd releases, the better. Keep it up centropy!

Posted by lastdon on 05-07-2002 02:56 PM:

It's a great movie no doubt and quality release by Centropy but those stupid mpg errors they really don't have 2 be, still
8 video and 9 for da sound.
First ctp release with better sound than video

Posted by **TheWhiz**02 on 05-08-2002 12:18 AM:

ctp rulessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

excellent 9.5/9.5

Posted by Bud-man on 05-08-2002 01:29 AM:

Cd2 wont play well..all this pixel damage in the beginning, both using my comp and 2 apex's i own same problem, a 703 and a 1500 other cd's work fine..what gives?

Posted by WDude on 05-08-2002 02:56 AM:

Some Glitchy problems but one of CTPs Best. Great RLS but a proper is possible

Posted by NIN on 05-08-2002 03:14 AM:

So what are ALL the tricks to burn it as a NTSC. Ive succesfully converted cd1 and cd 2, but have had problems with Cd3. It says, and Im using Tmpgenc, there is an error. "246744 s packets cause buffer underflow". What does this mean and how do I get around it? Thank you.

Posted by M_J on 05-08-2002 03:35 AM:

god i luv the nero trick. now i can watch it on my dvd player that dont recognzie svcd's! woohooo!

Posted by M_J on 05-08-2002 03:40 AM:

cd2 works fine, so i dont know why you guys are haveing problems with it.

Posted by crapper on 05-08-2002 03:42 AM:

awsome just awsome..
cant say anything else..
love it..
but a 2cd next time would be fine aswell..

Posted by WestlifeLV on 05-08-2002 03:55 AM:

DVD Player question

I just bought Spider-Man SVCD and Star Wars Episode 2: Attack Of The Clones. I wanna Know if Episode 2 will be VCD or SVCD? I also wanna know if these will play good on an RCA DVD player (RCA Model RC5240P)? I do have some VCD's (Demolition Man 2 VCD's, Any Given Sunday 2 VCD's, Gladiator: Special Editon 3 VCD's, A1: In The Picture 1 VCD, Boyzone Dublin: Live By Request 2 VCD's, Boyzone 2000: Live @ The Point 2 VCD's, Westlife Story 1 VCD, Westlife Coast To Coast: Up Close And Personal 2 VCD's, Star Wars Trilogy: Special Editon 6 VCD's, Ronan Keating Live @ Royal Albert Hall) all of these play well so I hope Spider-Man and Star Wars Episode 2: Attack Of The Clones will too..

Posted by PolyM on 05-08-2002 07:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by acid^rain
NIN convert it to a mpg and load it into the svcd option in NERO and make sure its set to NTSC in the compilation info option then burn and it should be fine

ok... i have all three files as .mpg (ill assume mpeg2) i burned them as svcd's and made sure the NTSC was checked....i get the pal video problem
how do i convert to mpg so it can be loaded into the svcd option in nero as you suggest???

thanks for the help and suggestions

Posted by PolyM on 05-08-2002 07:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by acid^rain
NIN convert it to a mpg and load it into the svcd option in NERO and make sure its set to NTSC in the compilation info option then burn and it should be fine

ok.... i have all three files as mpgs.. (ill assume mpeg2) i burned them using nero with svcd / NTSC checked... i got the PAL video problem.

how do i reconvert these to mpg to reburn them as svcds as per your suggestion?

thanks

Posted by majereblood on 05-08-2002 10:28 AM:

Hello guys and gals

I'm new to the forum, and i apologise if this post is in the wrong section, but I'm foaming at the mouth because I want this VCD. -- SORRY THATS AS FAR AS U GET, NO REQUESTS, NOW U KNOW -- WARNED by: Gandalf

Posted by plonk420 on 05-08-2002 10:49 AM:

Re: DVD Player question

quote:
Originally posted by WestlifeLV
I just bought Spider-Man SVCD and Star Wars Episode 2: Attack Of The Clones. I wanna Know if Episode 2 will be VCD or SVCD?

bought? BOUGHT? bwahahahaha sux to be you.... and ep2? uhm.. bullshit... not to mention not making any sense....

Posted by CyBeRkId on 05-08-2002 02:35 PM:

Does anyone know of a site where i can buy these discs. I currently do not have a broadband connection but really want to get a copy of this film....
I used to use CD-ROM GUIDE but i think there forums closed, any other ideas???

Thanks In Advance,
Michael

NO REQUSTS - WARNED by: Gandalf

Posted by BONE on 05-08-2002 05:37 PM:

WOW .. the best I have ever seen. Centropy blows everything away at this point.

Haven't burned it to CDs .. no need because I have the S-Video out. Because I am a moron, it took me a while to get it to a watchable aspect ratio on my TV. Using Power DVD I was able to get it full screen at the normal aspect ratio and it looks fukking UNBELIEVABLE.

THANK YOU CTP

btw, is anyone having out of sync audio issues with their shitty Apex players .. BAAHAHAHHAHAHAA

Posted by The Ironduke on 05-08-2002 08:11 PM:

I think 1 or or 2 of you crazy kids and have gotten abit to excited with this release!

Im mean 8 out of 10 for video!!!!!!!!

please its not even in the same league as LOTR's!

anway great release, but they should have just released it on vcd.

Posted by tsay2cx on 05-08-2002 09:04 PM:

I don't see what is the big deal, it is a good telecync, but it is not THAT great.. it looks just like all the other telecync.. I mean they did a good job, but I don't see why people are being all excited and saying this is the BEST ever..

But it is a job well done..

Posted by ams30gts on 05-09-2002 05:27 AM:

i suppose people r just excited because its a good movie and released with great speed

Posted by Mongrel on 05-09-2002 08:46 AM:

Fuck SVCD Bashers

I am so fucking sick of people bashing svcd's. Spiderman is the best TS I HAVE SEEN PERIOD. It is worth the extra cd! Go and buy a fucking $70 apex ad-1500. I really cant believe a TS can look this good. Maybe it isnt even because of it being encided in svcd, but i doubt that. SVCD's OWN!!!

Posted by pill on 05-09-2002 12:31 PM:

blah

Gawd, some of you people need to try to help yourselves instead of coming straight to boards and cluttering them with whinning. 1/2 the comments are bitching about how it doesnt work or how you hate svcd or whatever. First off 99% of dvd players DO play mpeg2, but for some reason they look in the wrong dir for the mpeg, so ALL you have to do is burn the svcd as a vcd in nero, are you listening? its been said 100x, maybe some of you should READ the posts before adding something asked/complained about 50 times in ONE THREAD. Quit acting so helpless... youd be suprised what you can find vcdhelp and google actually have info ya know. And if it doesnt work just fuckin reencode it, we dont wanna hear about your problems when in the time you took to come complain you could have a working disc. Learn to be self sufficient...

Posted by phpdood on 05-09-2002 12:34 PM:

Re: Fuck SVCD Bashers

quote:
Originally posted by Mongrel
I am so fucking sick of people bashing svcd's. Spiderman is the best TS I HAVE SEEN PERIOD. It is worth the extra cd! Go and buy a fucking $70 apex ad-1500. I really cant believe a TS can look this good. Maybe it isnt even because of it being encided in svcd, but i doubt that. SVCD's OWN!!!

hah... the name apex sounds gay... PIONEER sounds more with class!

good rls cetrophy...

Posted by MrPlow on 05-09-2002 03:32 PM:

NTSC conversion

HI all, I got a Pinoeer DV440, as i read in other post i'm not the only one with this PAL problem. I'm not a newbie at this, I tried with Iso Buster (bin ---> mpeg) and then reburned it with nero (svcd and vcd) with NTSC, i didn't work.

As anyone got this working ? NIN i know you got the same problem, did you manage to get something ?

Posted by PolyM on 05-09-2002 05:27 PM:

Re: NTSC conversion

quote:
Originally posted by MrPlow
HI all, I got a Pinoeer DV440, as i read in other post i'm not the only one with this PAL problem. I'm not a newbie at this, I tried with Iso Buster (bin ---> mpeg) and then reburned it with nero (svcd and vcd) with NTSC, i didn't work.

As anyone got this working ? NIN i know you got the same problem, did you manage to get something ?

I have the same problem with my pioneer 444 ...so after all the research my eyes could stand ... i did this... load the mpeg into the latest version of TMPGEnc-2.54 (you may need a mpeg2 codec as well) and re-encode it using the svcd NTSC template to convert it from PAL 25 fps framrate to NTSC 29fps

this will take many hours... It took 10 hrs on my machine running 3 simultaneous sessions (1 for each disc) but in the end ... it plays!
I was not adventurous enough to re-encode it to vcd and compact it down to 2 discs.. (a future adventure)
or ....if that is too painful then you need to buy a player that is region free ..ie will play either pal encoded or NTSC encoded such as the Pioneer DV-C503D 5 disc player which plays this just fine...or... forget about spiderman altogether as im sure this pal encoded release will hopefully be an anomoly...

did you just touch my ass?

Posted by MrPlow on 05-09-2002 10:57 PM:

Yup it finally worked, at first TMGenc gave me an error when i tried to reencode it, but i gave it a try with the isobuster mpeg file (bin --->mpeg) and now it works with tmgenc. I burned the new ntsc mpeg file with nero and it works just fine !

btw the movie is awsome ! good job centropy

Posted by phenom5886 on 05-09-2002 11:54 PM:

Cant get it to work!

Downloaded and burned the 3 mpgs, plys fine on my standalone how do u play on my PC nothin is working help will be much appreciated!

Posted by M_J on 05-10-2002 03:34 AM:

http://members.aol.com/jbomb1261/nero.htm

Posted by MrPlow on 05-10-2002 04:58 AM:

WTF is going on !

I sucessfully converted cd1 to ntsc with TMPGEnc using an mpeg file generated by iso buster, but i get an error while trying to convert cd2 and cd 3: (can't open or unsupported error) i've got the mpeg2 codec.

I've tried converting it to vcd with nero as said in other post but got unlucky. Anyone else got the same problem ?:

Posted by moviebootlegger on 05-11-2002 06:18 AM:

same here mr plow. i tryed to get out the MPG file it worked for cd1 but cd2 i get an error in isobuster. whats wrong wit da mpg? i aint a newb either.

Posted by NIN on 05-11-2002 08:41 AM:

I have solved the problem with disk 1 and 2, but not 3. I used Tmpg and re-encoded the cd's with nero before they burned. But on CD3 I get an error as if the cd or file size is to large.

Posted by oqwarrior on 05-11-2002 03:17 PM:

this release is great!!!!!!!! i am just really lucky it plays on my DVD player

Posted by MrPlow on 05-11-2002 05:04 PM:

I finally got it working ! Try it with vcdgear, it creates an mpeg file from the bin/cue. Worked way better than IsoBuster.

Then reencode it to svcd NTSC with TMPGenc

Posted by Crossy on 05-14-2002 08:04 PM:

Well i have to say ,the SVCD isnt as good as i thought it would be, not that it was really bad, it was actually quite good, not up to a standard of SVCD though, seeya

Crossy

Posted by jivetalkinhonky on 05-15-2002 12:21 AM:

spider man aspect ratio

Hey guys,
All you bitching about the aspect ratios need to calm down. You got it for free, shut up and buy a ticket and see the whole thing in digital surround sound and the correct aspect ratio. the AR isn't squeezed to 1.85:1- it's squeezed to 1.66:1 because it's encoded in PAL- European pal tv's are 1.66:1 as NTSC tv's are 1.33:1, hence the difference. The OAR of this film was 1.85:1, and it was, like most 1.85 movies, shot open matte, so a 1.33 frame would be exposed to be used fully on the eventual vhs home video release. The black things you are seeing at the top of the frame on a full frame shot are parts of the camera matte box, which was probably there to block a lens flare. Just because the aspect ratio changes for special effects doesn't mean that the the svcd was sourced from two different places, and just because you can see boom mics DOES NOT mean it is a workprint. Boom mics appear all the time in theatrical releases of major movies. Also, i would expect a lot better contrast from a workprint. This was a telesync that was probably made in a theater during a private showing or something. It was probably made using a good digital video camera using a direct stereo sound input and the matte on the projector was removed so that the full frame image could be projected in 1.33:1 or 1.66:1 section of the screen. If the changing ratio pisses you off so much matte it yourself with tmpeg or something, but the fact remains that this is NOT a screener or a workprint, it is a telesync. The hulk trailer before the movie is a dead giveaway that it is not a workprint, let alone the overall quality of the "transfer". Yes, this is a damn good telesync, but not good enough to be a screener.

Posted by jivetalkinhonky on 05-15-2002 12:24 AM:

All you bitching about the aspect ratios need to calm down. You got it for free, shut up and buy a ticket and see the whole thing in digital surround sound and the correct aspect ratio. The OAR of this film was 1.85:1, and it was, like most 1.85 movies, shot open matte, so a 1.33 frame would be exposed to be used fully on the eventual vhs home video release. The black things you are seeing at the top of the frame on a full frame shot are parts of the camera matte box, which was probably there to block a lens flare. Just because the aspect ratio changes for special effects doesn't mean that the the svcd was sourced from two different places, and just because you can see boom mics DOES NOT mean it is a workprint. Boom mics appear all the time in theatrical releases of major movies. Also, i would expect a lot better contrast from a workprint. This was a telesync that was probably made in a theater during a private showing or something. It was probably made using a good digital video camera using a direct stereo sound input and the matte on the projector was removed so that the full frame image could be projected in 1.33:1 or 1.66:1 section of the screen. The fact remains that this is NOT a screener or a workprint, it is a telesync. The hulk trailer before the movie is a dead giveaway that it is not a workprint, let alone the overall quality of the "transfer".

Posted by jivetalkinhonky on 05-15-2002 12:25 AM:

Also, i would expect a lot better contrast from a workprint. This was a telesync that was probably made in a theater during a private showing or something. It was probably made using a good digital video camera using a direct stereo sound input and the matte on the projector was removed so that the full frame image could be projected in 1.33:1 or 1.66:1 section of the screen. The fact remains that this is NOT a screener or a workprint, it is a telesync. The hulk trailer before the movie is a dead giveaway that it is not a workprint, let alone the overall quality of the "transfer". Yes, this is a damn good telesync, but not good enough to be a screener.

Posted by Bailx on 05-15-2002 05:09 AM:

i disagree crossy, this is one of the best ive seen...... of course i have a shitty dvd player.... so im forced to watch svcds on my pc..... which enhances the quality.....

but i found this to be great quality

Posted by hpv on 05-15-2002 11:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bailx
i disagree crossy, this is one of the best ive seen...... of course i have a shitty dvd player.... so im forced to watch svcds on my pc..... which enhances the quality.....

but i found this to be great quality

You are forced to watch them on your pc... which degrades the quality... unless you have an H+ or similar hardware-based MPEG decoder. Software decoding looks like shit all around, making good quality look like crap and decent quality nearly unwatchable at times. The only people that say otherwise are either blind, stupid, or terribly, terribly misinformed.

Posted by theblackestflag on 05-17-2002 09:37 PM:

just wondering if it's PAL format ?
heard throught the grapevine it was indeed PAL

Posted by hpv on 05-18-2002 09:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by theblackestflag
just wondering if it's PAL format ?
heard throught the grapevine it was indeed PAL

PAL is the video format used in most of Europe and in Australia. It's got more vertical lines than NTSC, but only runs at 50hrz. But then again, only a complete and total idiot wouldn't know that, no offense. You're American aren't?

/me is so ashamed...

Posted by dazzy on 06-04-2002 03:10 AM:

Well its good quality for a ts no doubt about that, I really don't think it justifies an SVCD release though, VCD would have done more or less the same job on 2 disks instead of 3.

For those of you saying it aint an SVCD, well it is and its PAL, the ar really isn't a problem, and as for when you see the microphone you see it for about 1 second - no big deal.

The sound is good, the picture is good but blocky in places.

But it's worth getting for the film anyway.

A good job by CTP, but save SVCD for better sources.

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