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Posted by Ibegoat on 03-25-2003 04:50 AM:

grabbing a sample.... what the hell is up with all these TS SVCD's? Damn CTP look what your doing to the scene!

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Posted by lucium on 03-25-2003 05:03 AM:

svcd

I agree completly SVCD is a waste of time.. expecially with bullshit quality like this is.... 5/5/?


Posted by hippyhater on 03-25-2003 05:14 AM:

so-so rls. better than the others (not by much tho)

6/7/7

keep the SVCD ts's comin, nothin wrong with em' no matter what people say.


Posted by MAFiA TGP on 03-25-2003 05:46 AM:

Re: svcd

quote:
Originally posted by lucium
I agree completly SVCD is a waste of time.. expecially with bullshit quality like this is.... 5/5/?


SVCD isnt a waste of time.. unless its crap quality such as the ones I've been seeing lately except for CTP's.

3/5/6


Posted by Movieguy on 03-25-2003 06:07 AM:

geeze

Why does everyone complain about svcd ts?

the people who complain about them probably cause of 1 of 2 reasons

1. Have download cap
2. Have slow connection

Anyways if a group knows how to do a svcd ts i see nothing wrong with it but some groups dont know how to do svcd ts

anyways just watched the sample and for a svcd ts i give this a


4/5/1


i watched the 1st release and i thought the movie was horrible


Posted by drtommypickles on 03-25-2003 06:12 AM:

SVCD's rock.......
whoever gave this a 3 rating for video quality obviously didnt see the sample. The quality isnt great but it is pretty good and worth the download.

7/7/5


Posted by ARSoNiC on 03-25-2003 06:38 AM:

i think this is a nice release, i think its also nice to see a group besides centropy do a svcd ts, some other groups need to start exparmenting and hopfully prefect it. Over all nice release. 6/6/?


Posted by M3RICK on 03-25-2003 07:18 AM:

Wink

Yeah !! Another nice rls from videoCD .I think too, its nice to see a group besides centropy do a svcd ts.
Thanks a lot VideoCD !!!

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Posted by Jaded4Ten on 03-25-2003 07:45 AM:

This svcd telesync nonsense has been debated since Centropy released Life Or Something Like It.

It is all very simple. SVCD is worth it if the source is good.

Size/compatability should not be an issue, but nonetheless crap sources like this do not warrant an svcd release.


Posted by Mr_Grinch on 03-25-2003 08:09 AM:

Very nice, I don't mind SVCD ts's, after all it's just another form of compression and most dvd players will play it. Going by sample Pic is pretty good and sound is better than the Esoteric. Best release up to now but not a considerable amount better than Esoteric to warrant the release (Yes I know... it's internal).


Posted by Bud-man on 03-25-2003 09:15 AM:

Garbage in = garbage out....SVCD isnt gunna change a thing a movie is only good as its source..imo dvd's are the ONLY source worth converting over to svcd.
I made rips for years "[bud]" and making svcd is a slow process with a lot of memory bandwith used, cutting it isnt a easy task either not many tools out yet.
Most svcd wont hardly play on most of my comps...there all over 1+ghz...i'm on a 2.25ghz overclocked xp2100 right now.....lock it up half the time playing the cd..try to FF a cd..just a waste.
if anyone doubts vcd quality then i'll send you a sample of my work.....long live VCD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by parasiticgann on 03-25-2003 10:05 AM:

sweet

Thank goodness groups are finally releasing svcd, Its much better than vcd. This isn't that bad of a rls. My comp plays svcd like a charm, my dvd player plays them like a charm, I'm all for svcd. Well thats besides the point, The point to this forum is quality of the rls at hand. Well the quality isn't that bad, 6/7/3 Movies wasn't that good. but that doesn't take away from the quality. L8ter all. Peace out.


Posted by VSeeDeez on 03-25-2003 01:32 PM:

This is bullshit imo
They say only night can use their source in the French scene, but this infact isnt VideoCD's source, Nights french version of this movie pre'd more than 6 hours before this with french audio... I dont care how many more sites they quote unquote have its not six hours worth, my belief is they borrowed the source and used a new sound source.... anyways dont take undue credit VideoCD

6/7/6.5

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Posted by hippyhater on 03-25-2003 01:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bud-man
Garbage in = garbage out....SVCD isnt gunna change a thing a movie is only good as its source..imo dvd's are the ONLY source worth converting over to svcd.
I made rips for years "[bud]" and making svcd is a slow process with a lot of memory bandwith used, cutting it isnt a easy task either not many tools out yet.
Most svcd wont hardly play on most of my comps...there all over 1+ghz...i'm on a 2.25ghz overclocked xp2100 right now.....lock it up half the time playing the cd..try to FF a cd..just a waste.
if anyone doubts vcd quality then i'll send you a sample of my work.....long live VCD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




wow thats sad. my old p3 550 played svcds perfect. if you look at all svcds ts's (every single one) and all vcd ts's (every single one), most of the svcd ts's are considerably better than the vcd ts's. so obviously the source is worth it. but meh this is my opinion.


Posted by Twista on 03-25-2003 03:09 PM:

Rating the sample 4/5/8, I think videoCD should stick to doing vcd screeners. I'll admitt it's better than regime's svcd release. But Esoteric gave a way better release. Great flick!!


Posted by B16A2 on 03-25-2003 03:35 PM:

VideoCD should have kept this release in the french scene or at least re-encoded the source to vcd. Not only did they use the French group's source but I think they took the audio from eso's release and tried to filter it but it didn't do them much good. My impersonation of Micheal Moore, "shame on you VideoCD shame on you". For all these new groups attempting SVCD TS, please don't do it unless you guys have #1 a decent source #2 know what you're doing. And that's all folks!


Posted by scousethief on 03-25-2003 03:40 PM:

i have to agree the source has to be really good to warrant an svcd release and this just isnt it, I dont like most of centropys svcd releases either to be honest but im grateful if the release is decent enough to have either. I dont have any download caps and am on 1 meg cable so i have pretty standard connection so the download time for the extra cd never bothers me that much but i do wish that groups would stick to vcd unless they're producing from a dvd style source.

5/4/3 just my opinion i thought the movie was a major rip off of other movies and not up to kings standard most of his books are the same they never translate well to the screen which is a shame.

deleted it after watching ill wait for the dvdrip


Posted by Ibegoat on 03-25-2003 03:48 PM:

So here is how I see it... if a group makes their own real homemade Telesync they will release it in SVCD because it will generally be better than silvers which will always be VCD. I bet ya that we will soon start seeing SVCD for Screeners if they aren't greater than a first generation tape. And now that there have been a bunchload of Telecines in SVCD as long as their source is good enough they will be SVCD. So in the end it breaks down to:

Silvers = VCD
Real TS's = SVCD
Real TC = SVCD

and I did look at the sample a few times, the sound is much better than ESO's and is not stolen from them. Who knows whos video that it really is. Both are very watchable and the SVCD is acceptable.. but not NEEDED. I'll give it a 6.5/6/?

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Posted by CcZ on 03-25-2003 05:31 PM:

Ugh...very very disapointed with the way this is going.
This release seems pixelated, but it's watchable. Has lots of color, no specific tints, stays steady to the screen, etc. It's just not a clear/good picture. I'm not even gonna comment on my opinion about making it an SVCD, that kinda talk belongs in a specific forum in the VCD Releases sections. That, I think, is what that section is for.
The sound ain't up to the sound Centropy gets, but it's audible, and that's what counts. It's a telesync, I don't expect perfect sound, even in an empty theatre.
The movie was ok, the script was good, though, and it was scary, but seemed to lack something. Give that a 6.5


Posted by Ganja_Farma on 03-25-2003 05:38 PM:

not a bad release
6/7/(waiting for screener or a better version b4 i watch it)


Posted by phoR20 on 03-25-2003 07:16 PM:

svcd is the only way to go

the perfection of the Telesync is soon on its way

7/8/8


Posted by /^/-Flikz-\^\ on 03-25-2003 09:01 PM:

can we say "pixelation"? Audio is pretty good though, movie blows. 5/7/4


Posted by TillbeJr on 03-26-2003 07:52 PM:

It sickens me to see that people prefer The Core to Dreamcatcher, that is just wrong im sorry.


Posted by B16A2 on 03-26-2003 11:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ibegoat
So here is how I see it... if a group makes their own real homemade Telesync they will release it in SVCD because it will generally be better than silvers which will always be VCD. I bet ya that we will soon start seeing SVCD for Screeners if they aren't greater than a first generation tape. And now that there have been a bunchload of Telecines in SVCD as long as their source is good enough they will be SVCD. So in the end it breaks down to:

Silvers = VCD
Real TS's = SVCD
Real TC = SVCD

and I did look at the sample a few times, the sound is much better than ESO's and is not stolen from them. Who knows whos video that it really is. Both are very watchable and the SVCD is acceptable.. but not NEEDED. I'll give it a 6.5/6/?

*Sigh* Let me educate you a bit my ignorant friend, many homemade TS's are encoded as SVCD because the group chooses to use that format. Why? You ask? Because the source of homemade TS's (or at least CTP/TCF/UTi rels) are usually captured with high resolution dv camcorders so a superior format like SVCD is warranted. This does NOT necessarily mean the group will always use SVCD as we have seen with TCF/UTi homemade releases like the 8 Mile TS (which isn't a silver and still high quality). Many groups have encoded PDVD (classified as a silver because they are SILVERS) as SVCD so that eliminates your assumption that all silvers are vcd format. You may see some groups start ripping VHS Screener as SVCD but VHS Sources aren't high resolution so although the format may reduce pixelation it won't make the release look much better. You can compare some groups' VHS Screener SVCD's with some of TCF's VHS Screener VCD's and you can see that quality is in the hands of it's encoder.


Posted by DarkEsperX on 03-27-2003 12:19 PM:

I'm all for SVCD releases. You all have to remember, it always boils down to one thing: If you dont like it, dont get it. As for the rest of us that like the SVCDs, we are thankful that the groups make them available


Posted by TillbeJr on 04-02-2003 09:12 PM:

Ok could they have possibly cut this movie in a worse spot i mean christ, some people need to really check where they are cutting these movies from first to second disks before release cause man that scene is so great and it just looses all it tension when you cut it in half, this group is so stupid.


Posted by mrblonduk on 04-10-2003 05:00 PM:

crap in crap out... this release is not crap however to me anyway there seems to be very little wrong with the picture. it is clear and the angle is not pissed up like a lot of releases certain groups have been producing recently. im happy enough with the picture and the audio is fine too. it could obviously be better but it allways could when its a Telesync... nothing is ever quite perfect..
anyway i give it 7/7/? as i havent watched the whole film yet


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