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Posted by Tempo on 06-18-2005 04:30 AM:

From what the sample I watched, video 8, audio 7, movie?

Posted by Muzak on 06-18-2005 06:27 AM:

jesus christ this is a sexy release. love it when shit like this is released, makes me a hero at work, lol.

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Posted by vtss120204 on 06-18-2005 07:28 AM:

i just notest the svcd version was nukes because its a mislabled telesinc does that mean the dvd version is also a mislabled telesinc is it the same source as the svcd

Posted by hoozdapimp on 06-18-2005 09:54 AM:

is this a TS just like the SVCD version? I'm wondering why there is no 5.1 audio for some of the latest TC's.

Posted by lynxthecat on 06-18-2005 10:15 AM:

After watching it on a 32" WS, I'll have to say this is one of the most impressive TC-releases I've ever seen! Even the SVCD was so impressive, it makes me wonder what the future brings..

I guess the TC-releasegroups makes improvements on the TC-machine as time goes by.

I'm tempted to give top score for the video, but I'll got to have somthing to go on, if there will be even more improvements in quality. So here it goes:

Video/audio/move - 9/8/5 (I didn't think this movie was any good)

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Posted by mattmatt02 on 06-18-2005 10:38 AM:

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Originally posted by hoozdapimp
is this a TS just like the SVCD version? I'm wondering why there is no 5.1 audio for some of the latest TC's.

5.1 audio comes from theater dts discs but a couple of months ago the mpaa but a 500-bit encryption on the bastard things so now groups cant use dts until someone cracks it!

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rating as a tc dvdr:

8.5/9/?

as my connection means it takes 48 hours (lol) to get a full dvd-r ill pass and go for the xvid that MoF released...

Posted by crunch on 06-18-2005 12:55 PM:

same quality as the tun tc release..

still nice flick
sound is not great.. has some peek issues
8/7/7

Posted by me-self on 06-18-2005 01:03 PM:

Look at the vob sample it looks nice, good colours sound was abit quite but that could be my speakers, was just about to get the svcd but this will do for me, i got 5.72 GB to go, getting cinderella man first so only 7 more hours

Posted by niall0s on 06-18-2005 03:41 PM:

Aspect ratio seems to be off on this, should be 2.35:1

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Aspect ratio is definately wrong, play in vlc and set to 2.35:1 to see the diference it makes

Posted by pablo_escobar on 06-18-2005 09:27 PM:

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Originally posted by niall0s
Aspect ratio seems to be off on this, should be 2.35:1

It was 2.35.1 on my widescreen. Video was GREAT, but the audio wasn't as good (audio was very poor at points). Thanks to meteor for the release, to me the movie was slow and boring (not bad, but not great). It did have it moments, but wasn't as good as I had heard. To each his own, thanks again for the quick quality release meteor.

9/6/5

Posted by graham23s on 06-18-2005 11:31 PM:

9/7/?

i was surprised no russian writing on the video cool release

Graham

Posted by Air1 on 06-19-2005 03:04 AM:

I'm sorry, but anyone who rated this below at least a 9 is OUT OF THEIR MIND.

THis is by FAR the best TC i have ever seen. EVER. Can it get better than this? Yet. Why? Because tv and movie studios USE telecine machines to MAKE dvd's and HDTV "encodes" or transfers. So what does this TC release mean being the best the scene has ever seen (previously imo I'd have to say the best TC was T3)? This means either the scene is getting better TC machines and/or the've got better software to use them to make the transfers with (the least likely) and/or they are learning how to use the TC machines better.

At any rate, this is an INSANELY great/superb/awesome rls video-wise for not being a screener of any type (VHS/DVD/etc) nor a CAM or TS.

THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS A TS people. No motion blur to speak of, etc. Sure there are some scratches/minor cigar burns you could say but that's all from the film. MAJOR studios and tv stations like HDNet Movies and HBO HD, etc, etc, etc, edit those out but they use the exact same method of making HDTV transfers of a film -- they take the actual film and run it through a TC machine and use computer software. They're just much better at it than the scene has been though OBVIOUSLY we're getting better for one reason or the other.

Seriously, if I didn't know any better I'D SWARE I was watching a relatively bad xfr of the retail DVD and/or the SVCD or XVID/DIVX version of the retail DVD.

This is just a true milestone for 'the scene' -- especially if TC rls's start coming out THIS GREAT on a regular basis. It puts 90% of other TC rls's to SHAME. It is truly amazing and EXTREMELY close to retail quality straight from the studio.

How this has such a poor rating here on vcdq is beyond me. Obviously people haven't watchted this. I've seen it on my PC, Standalone Pioneer and Standalone JVC both in progressive mode on HDTV's. The JVC being on a Samsung 50" DLP WS (1 year old) and the Pioneer being on a 50" Panasonic FS that's a few years old (about 3).

AMAZING RELEASE. Even if it had mono sound this is one to get. Once again, a true MILESTONE in TC scene releases. No other TC in the scene comes too close to this at ALL. NO WAY. Some pretty close, but none VERY close. Simply AMAZING.

GRAB IT NOW !!! By the way, Meteor, if you're reading this I've supported and appreciated ALL your TC DVDR rls's and if this is what you will be coming out with in the future, well, you deserve hella props as you have truly raised the bar.

INSANELY GREAT. GRAB IT AT ALL COSTS.

10/10 (even being DD2.0 AC3 it's still AMAZING audio, too)
Movie: 8 (better than I thought)

Posted by vtss120204 on 06-19-2005 07:17 AM:

yeh i just watched this movie the quality was very good for a telecine way better than the telecine of episode 3 we got,movie was pretty good to reminded me of true lies a bit but except both were lieing to each other in this movie

Posted by kidkrate001 on 06-19-2005 08:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Air1
I'm sorry, but anyone who rated this below at least a 9 is OUT OF THEIR MIND.

word,bitch... meteors like a motherfucker,yo

10/9/9

saved me some re-encode time.

Posted by Furius on 06-19-2005 01:59 PM:

Video is great, what you would expect for a TC.
But audio is muffled in various places, making it difficult to hear what is being said.

9/7/7

Posted by Redemption1980 on 06-19-2005 06:40 PM:

Air1, you must be alot less fussy than me, because im not massively keen on this release.

The pic is nice and clear and sharp, but the colours are slightly off, the AR is wrong, its far too light, and the sound is horrible.

Still great for this early, but not a perfect release and not the best TC ever either.

8/6/?

Posted by memnon on 06-19-2005 08:03 PM:

as said above audio is pretty crap

8/4/6

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Posted by D0BB0 on 06-19-2005 08:11 PM:

another nice lookin tc from meteor, like this group think dvdr should be the standard for tcs personaly.

9/7/6

Posted by maxspadge on 06-19-2005 10:22 PM:

Just watched this and video is great but audio is terrible, in certain scenes you can;t here what is said it's muffled.

9/5/8

Posted by Air1 on 06-20-2005 03:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redemption1980
Air1, you must be alot less fussy than me, because im not massively keen on this release.

The pic is nice and clear and sharp, but the colours are slightly off, the AR is wrong, its far too light, and the sound is horrible.

Still great for this early, but not a perfect release and not the best TC ever either.

8/6/?

I am very fussy you could say. Not in the sense that I won't watch a pretty poor release even though that's usually the case, but more or less in the way of being EXTREMELY critical of releases between freinds and such.

Everyone complaining about the audio -- true it is not perfect, but jesus christ -- why the 5 ratings or lower or 6 even? I mean come-on... I didn't notice a single muffled point though there was 1-2 parts at least (maybe 3-4) where I had to rewind it a second to hear what a line was that was spoken but from my view it wasn't because it was "muffled" but because the actor speaking or spouting out the line kind of mumbled it or said it too quick for me. Other than that the audio was crystal clear and I had no major complaints though with this SUPERB picture I would have LOVED DD5.1 or DTS.

Anyhow since others are saying the same about the audio I suppose the majority is right, though I still think it's the movie, not the release, in those 'parts' that you are claiming that it's muffled and/or quiet. Just my opinion.

As far as your comments about the picture, you're the first I've seen to at least speak their mind about what 'flaws' there are. Sure there's been some rather low 'ratings' or scores though I think this is just people being people. You always get that with rls's even if they're a 1:1 copy with no downsampling of a retail disc's picture.

Colors too bright? Eh.... I'd say maybe 5% (meaning hardly at all; miniscule; more or less not very true and certainly not noticeable unless you look for it). If you think it's way too bright than I think maybe some settings on your DVD player and/or TV 'may' need tweaking because I haven't heard anyone else say this. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm definately not flaming so don't get the wrong impression. At any rate, wouldn't you agree a rls is far better to be a little or a lot too bright than a little or a lot too dark? I do... 1,000% and so do most others. AR is wrong? Colors slightly off? Well, as I said it isn't a 100% unbeatable rls though it truly is the best non screener rls I've ever seen. Hands down. No doubt. BUT -- as I said before and I'll say again, it DOES have flaws and the retail will definately be better. As far as the picture goes, I'd say only by maybe 10% at the most... This was jaw-dropping as far as picture quality goes.

Once again, maybe I'm wrong, and I'm -not- hating or flaming at all but I think once again maybe your tv settings or dvd player settings need adjustment as you're the only one to specifically call-out (sotospeak) these 'flaws' in the picture (especially saying they're pretty bad flaws at that; or at least that's the feeling I get from your post and what you say and how you said it).

I have yet to speak to anyone personally among dozens of RL and online friends; many dozens; who disagree that this is by far the best TC ever made and by far the best rls non retail (picture wise-of course).

Good discussion and good times. I'm glad you chimed in... it's good to have discussions like this..... like I said and I'll say it again -- there's no flame or hate at all in this post; just friendly conversation.

I'd be interested to see what your follow up to this post of mine is.

Live well; be well; and have a great day everyone.

Peace....

Posted by alanisrox69 on 06-20-2005 04:40 AM:

This is a decent release.

Audio is somewhat overfiltered causing some digital noise on the "S's", and it a little muffled, I brought the treble up on my surround about 4db, and that made all the lines clearly audible, but in turn bringing up the digital factor on the "S's"...so it was a trade off. I guess they are recording the audio via a microphone and filtering it to make it sound direct, both channels have the same properties (it's mono) But whatever, it's not DD or DTS, but still acceptable.

The video is pretty good. The groups have got to start realizing, most movies are 2.21:1, NOT 16:9 for theatrical release. Case in point, the picture is slightly stretched vertically in this because they used the "16:9" option. It's a simple change in MPC, but to watch it on my home player I had to re-encode it, watching it on the TV stretched how it is was unbearable. Looked like their faces were being reflected off one of those funny funhouse mirrors. If the first encode was the proper A/R it would have gotten a higher rating from me.

Video: 7 - would be higher if AR was proper from the get-go
Audio: 6.5 - slightly overfiltered, causing digital tings and muffledness
Movie: 7.5 - decent flick, a bit oddly structured, but overall decent.

-Derek-

Posted by DJtheory on 06-20-2005 10:05 PM:

Just finished watching this on a 65" HDTV

8/6/8

The video is pretty damn impressive for a TC.....

..the sound has been farked up by someone along the line compressing the dynamic range....to the point that when a really loud explosion happens on screen, the sound actually gets quieter....

it's a bit disorienting when the action is supposed to be kicking up a notch, and instead you have this almost pristine quiet in the soundtrack.

Any for anyone who is saying this is from a russian source.....you're an idiot....every subtitle, every written word is in english

...The movie wasn't bad either, I think Brad is a much better actor then Angelina however

Posted by Muzak on 06-21-2005 04:47 AM:

rewatched this one another tv (i have a projection system set up in my apartment), and i noticed that the AR is off. for some reason, it corrects itself on my PC/Screen, but not on a regular tv. but still, everyone thats seen it has been amazed at the quality of it.

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Posted by SkullWolf on 06-21-2005 03:05 PM:

Those letterboxing black bars in the JPG are hardcoded, and the DVD is in 16:9 mode, so the resulting image is a correct AR image. Turn off 4:3 Pan+Scan on your DVD player.

Audio is pretty nasty on this release. Not the worst, but pretty bad.

8/5/*

Will watch this on a plane ride i have to take soon.

Posted by deathdawg on 06-21-2005 06:55 PM:

9/8/6

Nice video!

Posted by SilverSoldier on 06-21-2005 11:22 PM:

Anyone who actually watched this knows that the audio is WAY too bassy. The audio spectrum isn't full at all, very little of anything except for low end. You can have an AC3 or DTS encoded stream that sounds like crap just as you can have a non-AC3/DTS encoded stream that sounds awesome.

9/3/6.5

Posted by SHaKiNGBRaVe on 06-22-2005 11:02 AM:

hmmmm where to start...first off, props to meteor for releasing this kinda quality so quickly

that outta the way, wtf is up with this rls. the video shakes pretty badly in the beginning of the film. the audio is unintelligable at times. overall, about 95% of this release is VERY watchable, but the other 5% leaves you scratching your head and wondering what went wrong. i've never seen a "tc" with these problems before.

video: 8 overall; slightly washed, slightly outta focus
audio: 6; anyone who rates this 8+ obviously hasn't seen/heard this rls
movie: 7, angelina made up for what the plot was lacking imo

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Posted by darkedgex on 06-25-2005 08:47 AM:

Based off of the first 5 minutes of the movie (it's as much as I could stand)--

8/2/?

V: 8 because the video seemed really nice for a TC.

A: 2 because whoever did this used a string and tin cans somewhere along the way. It's really that bad. And no, I won't rate it higher just because you can correct it by adjusting treble/bass-- people shouldn't have to tinker with their settings just to enjoy a release.

M: ? because I stopped watching it when I couldn't even understand the dialogue.

I hope another grp proper's this POS rls and that in the future METEOR doesn't release crap like this, but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by Mr Moneypenny on 06-27-2005 11:14 PM:

ok, here goes... i can't beleave that some of u guys gave this release that high a grade for the audio 'cos it's really beyond my standards... video though is far better than i expected for a TC.. definetly worth leeching if u, like me, thought the worst of the movie and just wouldn't spend that €8.

Posted by remIxologIst on 07-01-2005 08:22 PM:

7.5/6/8

The DVDR I made looks better. :P

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