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Posted by eighty5 on 06-11-2004 11:40 PM:

Region 1 Retail dvd and it doesnt come with English subtitles.

Thanks guys, you told me right there not to download your fake release.

Nice try


Posted by playstationer on 06-12-2004 03:59 AM:

wtf are you talkin' about eighty5?

This release is very nice

thanks ALLiANCE

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Posted by porco556 on 06-12-2004 06:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by eighty5
Region 1 Retail dvd and it doesnt come with English subtitles.

Thanks guys, you told me right there not to download your fake release.

Nice try


I don't have this release as I am currently out of town, HOWEVER, just because a release doesn't have subs doesn't mean it's a fake. Could be that Alliance simply doesn't know how to rip subs, or they are out of sync and not sure how to fix that. Or of course, maybe the subs are just not there.

The retail is hitting the stores in early July, it's not unrealistic time release either. Plus the director's commentary is a good indication it's a R1 also.

I hope this is a good rip cuz I've been waiting a long time for this movie. Hopefully not a TPMEG 3.0 Express encode

ACTUALLY, re-read the NFO just now. It would be nice to know something about the encode or if it is untouched video.


Posted by JoshNya on 06-12-2004 07:28 AM:

Looking at the dvdr its definataly interleaved with inifinifilm with directors cut version. Subtrack is there but no subs. I assumed they were probably out of sync due to the 2 versions of the film being together in one vobset, so they wiped it.

Definatly untouched video and menu.

Disc is wiped of everything and jumps straight to the menu.

Works good, I'm gonna purchace when its available for the extras.

2nd best movie this year next to Dawn Of The Dead (just my opinion)...


Posted by vip3r on 06-12-2004 09:10 AM:

Bah...been hearing nukes for this, but the nfo states they stripped 'em and i'm gonna have to believe that..great movie, great quality, great sound

call me crazy but.. 10/10/10 - i loved the movie


Posted by Extractor on 06-13-2004 12:35 AM:

I heard Theatrical Version has a total different Ending than DC... so it's not just more scenes but different scenes. Pity it's ripped.

P.S.: Original had subs


Posted by saosin on 06-13-2004 06:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JoshNya
Looking at the dvdr its definataly interleaved with inifinifilm with directors cut version. Subtrack is there but no subs. I assumed they were probably out of sync due to the 2 versions of the film being together in one vobset, so they wiped it.

Definatly untouched video and menu.

Disc is wiped of everything and jumps straight to the menu.

Works good, I'm gonna purchace when its available for the extras.

2nd best movie this year next to Dawn Of The Dead (just my opinion)...




Agreed. Awesome movie, and works fine. Nice release, although, since this is directors cut, i'm curious how the theater version ends...supposely different ending, and shorter. Props for this, been waiting for it

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Posted by cloudspear on 06-13-2004 07:07 AM:

yep this dc does have a different ending from the theatre version. also this does look like to me the real retail version of the movie. i guess i have to buy this to get both version of the movie on july 6


Posted by nxt on 06-13-2004 09:51 AM:

Correct, retail has theatrical and director's cut. this release they cut out the theatrical (when you press play there's an option to choose which you want to play, can only pick director's cut).

Director's cut has a totally different ending which is very over the top and not as great imho.

It's a shame. I'd figured the movie would branch off to the new scenes??? e.g. Terminator 2 style. or is it actually two complete versions of the movie on the same disc (sounds unlikely). too bad, hope someones releases a better rip.


Posted by saosin on 06-13-2004 01:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by nxt
Correct, retail has theatrical and director's cut. this release they cut out the theatrical (when you press play there's an option to choose which you want to play, can only pick director's cut).

Director's cut has a totally different ending which is very over the top and not as great imho.

It's a shame. I'd figured the movie would branch off to the new scenes??? e.g. Terminator 2 style. or is it actually two complete versions of the movie on the same disc (sounds unlikely). too bad, hope someones releases a better rip.




Since ALLiANCE has retail...I say they just rip the theater version too. That would clear everything up

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Posted by Extractor on 06-13-2004 02:54 PM:

It's technically possible to rip both version on one disc if it is seamless branching, also using CCE as an encoder. I usually don't care about it when the DC version just has additional scenes but in this care it has different scenes and a total different ending.


Posted by bcool2k on 06-13-2004 11:41 PM:

Fantastic DVDR and Audio Commentary and Directors cut only.. I'll take it.. Lose the new ending though.. bah.....



Great Job ALLiANCE!!!


9.5/9.5/9


Posted by bcool2k on 06-13-2004 11:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by eighty5
Region 1 Retail dvd and it doesnt come with English subtitles.

Thanks guys, you told me right there not to download your fake release.

Nice try

Looks to me like you speak English what u complaining about.. Of course its retail... Menu maybe altered but Dir cut and Audio commentary are all that would fit without a loss in quality..


Posted by DethStar on 06-14-2004 02:47 AM:

I am impressed with this release... just wish it was widescreen..


Posted by jpcdvj on 06-14-2004 03:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by DethStar
I am impressed with this release... just wish it was widescreen..


You may want to double check your copy because it is most definatly wide screen


Posted by ToolTime on 06-14-2004 09:46 AM:

Been having problems with my apex lately i dunno but anyways this release is pretty good but it got stripped of everything basically the menu is untouched but all the extras are rapped. like stated about no subs at all but they do have the DC audio which is kind of cool. It sucks that it doesn't have the other ending of the movie but oh well.

As for the ratings

10/10/8

Pretty damn good movie


Posted by solidusuk on 06-14-2004 02:20 PM:

well thats bad isnt it, I didnt like the fact the option for Directors Cut or Theaterical comes up why didnt they remove that?????


Otherwise very good, but thats really annoying me now I feel as though ive missed something important.



Why couldnt they keep both???
is it cuz retail has got both full versions of each movies on it???


its must be like full DVD-9 !!!


Posted by porco556 on 06-14-2004 04:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by solidusuk
well thats bad isnt it, I didnt like the fact the option for Directors Cut or Theaterical comes up why didnt they remove that?????


Otherwise very good, but thats really annoying me now I feel as though ive missed something important.



Why couldnt they keep both???
is it cuz retail has got both full versions of each movies on it???


its must be like full DVD-9 !!!


If the retail was done correctly, the two different versions are in the same VOB files, except there are two different VOBID paths (or you can also do it by angles). Alot of movies do this, especially recently with the rush of "unrated" versions (American Wedding was a good example).

It would have been really simple to rip both. All they needed to do is completely extract the VOBs untouched. Which then makes me think the video actually is re-encoded and that's why only one version of the movie is there due to lack of knowledge (encode and then re-create the VOBIDs exactly so the menu picks up on it is not the easiest thing).

I am just going to buy this one since it is a good movie (despite Ahston's presence in it)

ADDED NOTE: After looking at the VOBs, the possibility is also that there just wasn't enough space for both versions and the HUGE ass menu. The disc is pretty packed. But there is also no evidence of untouched video also, but the video does look pretty good.


Posted by videoFreak on 06-14-2004 11:25 PM:

I had to register just to let you guys know....

if you look at the menu screens in menuedit you will notice that the screen you would see after the directors/theatrical version screen if you selected theatrical (which you can't get to because the button was diabled) flashes a screen that says turn over the disc for theatrical version... this implies that it was a DVD9 flipper with directors on one side and theatrical on the other.

Which makes me says why did thestudio author like this and not just make it seamless branched like every other DVD that does this.


Posted by jeff__bates on 06-15-2004 03:01 AM:

9/10 - video
9/10 - sound
8/10 - movie


Posted by saosin on 06-15-2004 04:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by videoFreak
I had to register just to let you guys know....

if you look at the menu screens in menuedit you will notice that the screen you would see after the directors/theatrical version screen if you selected theatrical (which you can't get to because the button was diabled) flashes a screen that says turn over the disc for theatrical version... this implies that it was a DVD9 flipper with directors on one side and theatrical on the other.

Which makes me says why did thestudio author like this and not just make it seamless branched like every other DVD that does this.



Nice info Props for that much. Someone just need to release theater version now. Hint Hint ALLiANCE...

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Posted by porco556 on 06-15-2004 04:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by videoFreak
I had to register just to let you guys know....

if you look at the menu screens in menuedit you will notice that the screen you would see after the directors/theatrical version screen if you selected theatrical (which you can't get to because the button was diabled) flashes a screen that says turn over the disc for theatrical version... this implies that it was a DVD9 flipper with directors on one side and theatrical on the other.

Which makes me says why did thestudio author like this and not just make it seamless branched like every other DVD that does this.


Hehe... Good call The studio is pretty stupid for having the flipper instead of the branching. That is so 1990's


Posted by Extractor on 06-15-2004 08:43 AM:

DVD18, now that's rare if true

Still, in that case some grp should release theatrical version as well.


Posted by Extractor on 06-15-2004 10:19 AM:

yes, video freak is right. I found a review on this DVD stating it's a DVD14.

Meaning the DC Version is on a DVD9 side and the Theatrical Version is a DVD5 side. Well in that case it's easy for some group to pre the DVD5 side too. Maybe as internal or something.

http://www.dvdfile.com/software/rev...rflyeffect.html


Posted by crackerjax on 06-15-2004 02:39 PM:

Thumbs down

I've waited and waited to see this movie until the DVD came out, but now it's only the directors cut, and not the theatrical cut. Why would a group rip the Directors Cut and not label it as such. Should be The.Butterfly.Effect.Directors.Cut.NTSC.DVDR-ALLiANCE or something to that effect.

From the .nfo, the video wasn't touched, which is hard to believe being as the director's cut has most of the extras, making it a dvd9 ... this being said, with most dvd9's, they don't put in that many extras, the video vobs are normally over 4.5 gigs, they are closer to like 6gigs, which would mean a small CCE downsample. add the menu back in and sync the subs. Not sure which set of rules these guys are going by, but the rips are supposed to keep all subtitles that the Original DVD has, then they can cut DTS, if they want, to keep the 5.1 and 2.0/Directors Commentary. They did the audio right, but they should have maybe done a "COMPLETE" release of this. Like DISC1/DISC2, that would have been spectacular for a movie like this (from what I've read anyway, I've yet to sit down and watch it). That would make all people happy for the most part, for those who want the COMPLETE dvd, for those who wanted to see the Director's Cut, and for those who never (or want to see again) the Theatrical Version.

Just opinions, I hope a group does a COMPLETE release, those are the DVDs that I like to watch

/end rant


Posted by BLUE-NEO on 06-15-2004 08:47 PM:

yeah pissed me off after watching this and noticed they even changed the ending. I mean nothing wrong with director's cut but don't cut the ending out ..so this is also a director's cut and an alternate ending attached to it. Man I was like what? That didn't happen. But overall the quality is nice. Shitty menu's for such a great movie though.

10/10/8

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Posted by Thw Watcher on 06-17-2004 05:54 PM:

Excellent movie. Nice to see the DC the alternate ending felt more forced than the Theatrical version because they had to include the fortune teller scene. Overall though

Vid = 9.5
Audio = 9
film = 9.5


Posted by fizzyk on 06-20-2004 03:41 PM:

bastards FOR cutting the threatrical ending..

i liked that ending specially wid the oasis music over it and the way the film ended..

now they put this gay ass ending in it..
if i had knwn that i wouldnt have bothered to d/l it

on the plus side quality is pretty good

but god damn they fucked the ending


Posted by JoshNya on 06-21-2004 03:00 AM:

The.Butterfly.Effect.THEATRICAL.INTERNAL.NTSC.DVDr-ALLiANCE

I got this, and I must say, I liked the DC version better, but both were fun to watch.


Posted by klm01234 on 06-22-2004 06:58 PM:

Is it just my stand-alone DVD player (Philips 624) or is anyone else getting the director's comment audio track as the default track?


Posted by Cynergetix on 06-25-2004 12:48 AM:

Was mucking about with the disc in my player (Samsung S225) - pressing the menu key during the film fired open a completely NEW menu to the one that came up when the disc was originally inserted - I have to say it is a lot better than the virtually still screen that popped up at the start. Why are there 2? Why is the superior one not default.

This also happened when using PowerDVD on the PC!


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