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Review: L.A. Twister (2004)
Name: L.A. Twister
Director: Sven Pape
Year: 2004
Official Site: http://www.latwistermovie.com
Those of you that frequent the forums and irc will know how much i've been crazing to see this movie. Well, finally i saw it today. And what should happen? All my dreams and hopes for this movie came true....
IT FUCKING ROCKS!!!
Let's just get the formalities out of the way first. L.A. Twister is the story of two guys, one a failing wannabe actor (Lenny), one a down and out plumber (Ethan) that's just split from his girl. When Ethan moves to Los Angeles to live with Lenny after the split, his observations of Lenny and his lifestyle finally win him round to an idea they both share that, if you can't beat the Hollywood system and make it as an actor....make a movie!
L.A. Twister documents the duo's charismatic, often funny, sometimes sad but always deeply entertaining journey in to the world of movie-making, fucking back the system, the assholes, the leechers, the fakes and finally putting their damn movie out there. While at the same time dealing with real life issues of love, life and friendship.
For a movie made with next to no money and little chance for exposure, i am so glad i got to see this (even if it was in it's WP form). What is served up is a beautifully made movie. Exquisitely shot and pieced together and topped off with a brilliant cast that all work excellently with each other, especially the buddy factor between Ethan, Jake and Mindy.
I laughed, i nearly cried, i laughed some more. This movie fills the void that modern day Hollywood (and modern filmaking in general) has left out. This movie is 100% unadulterated, no strings, no hold barred, no bullshit PURE ENTERTAINMENT. This, my friends, is what is known as a perfectly balanced, well rounded and brilliantly crafted movie.
I cannot fault it. Anywhere. At all. Whatsoever.
It will do nothing at the box office because no fucker knows about it. A crying shame really. Fuck you all though. I'll buy the DVD for myself. 
This is, without a doubt, the best movie of 2004. Period.*
FINAL SCORE: 10/10
*until i've seen Planet Of The Pitts. 
kool, i should check this out. you saw the wp version? i thought the dvdscr is out 
saw the tralier...looks ok...
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Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
This is, without a doubt, the best movie of 2004. Period.*
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How do you know? You haven't seen it yet.
As for my fave movies of 2004. So far they stand as:
1. LA Twister
2. Napoleon Dynamite
3. Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
Haven't seen Planet Of The Pitts yet, but that could top LA Twister. It's gonna have a big hurdle to climb though to beat it.
L.A. TWiSTER kicks ass!!!
Couldn't agree more, the Lenny guy is the red-haired bully kid from "A Christmas Story" and he is awesome in this.
By the way, when you go on the L.A. Twister website try the backdoor. Not every day, but every other day it actually opens up and you can see the movie. Cool!! That is if you know the password, which is the answer to a scene in the movie...
Anyone got any info on a DVD release date for this movie? I need to pre-order this asap!
I enjoyed LA Twister.
Would be in my top 3.
Football Factory is my fave of 2004
go to http://latwistermovie.com/home.shtml and look at the scrolling marquee.. What does it say?? "....................L.A. TWISTER named "Best Movie of 2004" by Blogger Mystic Slippers Read the review here.................." And it links to this page..
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bahahah, good work slippers
Your extra special everywhere you go M$.....giegh.
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That's just....awesome.
Now we know Sven Pape and co. puh-rooze the fine pages of this forum, if your reading this, allow me to respond here:
As i've said a trillion times till i'm blue in the face. Movie piracy can be an incredibly beneficial thing to a low budget or strictly limited release movie.
In the case of LA Twister, to the best of my knowledge, getting to see this movie would have proven VERY difficult if a pirate copy had not been released. But thanks to this, i will now be buying the DVD (when it is made available to buy).
Personally i think it's great that the folks behind this movie have used my review on their website, knowing full well that the copy reviewed was pirate material. Being quoted on the official site is not only humbling for me, but also great to see a team of moviemakers (as such) embracing movie piracy in this way. Turning an often seen-as negative practice in to something good and something useful.
It's a shame the MPAA and the other pathetic gulls of this world can't see at least one ounce of good that piracy can do. There's not even the slimmest of chances i would have gotten to see this had it not been for the pirate copy put online. So MPAA, don't even fucking start to climb your moral high horse.
I hope LA Twister is a success on DVD, i for one am backing this baby by buying my copy, just like i do with the other movies i love.
And to Sven and co. thanks for using my review as promotion material for your movie. I'm rather stunned at the moment, but also very pleased that it was of some use not just to the forum users, but to the actual people that made this movie. Thanks.
Now excuse me while i go deflate my head.
man they are all over this place, lol.
On Pirate Copies of L.A. TWISTER
Sven here, director of L.A. Twister. Just came across your discussion about L.A. TWISTER and piracy and cannot resist to chime in.
First of all, thank you to Mystic for the great review. When I first read it, I was in heaven. As a filmmaker there is nothing more rewarding than to see someone like your film. Of course we are delighted to reference your review on our site. How can we not?
Now to the piracy issue: It's all good. If you are in possession of a pirate copy of L.A. TWISTER, feel free to pass it around. I don't care. Actually I do. Obviously I'd love for you to see it in the theater and not as a crappy work print. But the fact that you are seeing it and you care enough to tell your friends, is what makes me smile.
Good Times,
Sven
www.snowdogfilms.com
P.S. Can't wait to see "Planet of the Pitts" myself. It's been quite some time for them to get it off the ground.
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A warm welcome to our Special Guest, Sven Pape (yes, I checked the verified email address in his profile - it's him. Or a damned good fake!).
Rest assured Sven, despite the nature of this website we're not all dirty pirates and we do appreciate and pay for good movies. Most of us simply object to the endless flood of detritus that Hollywood normally subjects us to, limited release movies tend to get a pretty good reception here... We're "proper" movie fans!
Personally I haven't had the opportunity to see the movie as it's not getting a UK release as far as I can tell, so I have to confess - I'll be downloading the Workprint at some point. If Mystic is right (and his taste in films is normally impeccable) I'll be handing over some hard-earn cash for the DVD in a few months time though
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Couldn't have put it better myself NS. It's great to see a director that actually gives a shit about what his/her audience feels about his/her work. Nice to see one of the Hollywood masses posting on VCDQ aswell, a site that is normally frowned upon by the movie industry!
As for Planet Of The Pitts, yeps, just ask anyone here or in the irc channel how much i want to see it. Just like LA Twister, i've been eager to see the movie since the year dot. Looks like it's shaping up to be amazing, from what i heard, test audiences went crazy for it.
Actually, if you are reading this and feel like making another post, i do have one question to ask you in regards to the version of LA Twister i watched.
A couple of times in the movie, a scene would end and a clapperboard scene would start with what looked like a blooper or a rough addition to a scene that looked like it had been cut out, due to the lack of mastering.
Also, in the 'hanging scene' there's a shot of the crew behind the wall in the room of the hanging. Was that intentional? Or part of the rough workprint cut?
If it was intentional, i think it was genius, as for a while i was thinking it was a play on the movie itself. As in the movie Lenny and co are making is that movie, the movie you see, yet cuts out in to real life.
Hope that made sense lol.
Good on you Sven. I can appreciate your angle on piracy. Good to see your head is not too inflated with hollywood steam.
Will be sure to grab a decent copy of what sounds like a great film.
Welcome.
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I thought this film was very cool as well, especially Zach Ward, he was hilarious! I thought his chemistry with Mindy was good as well, and that last bit with her hard-man boyfriend got me laughing a fair bit.
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Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
Also, in the 'hanging scene' there's a shot of the crew behind the wall in the room of the hanging. Was that intentional? Or part of the rough workprint cut?
:)
I shall be purchasing the DVD soon as its available!
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Pretty awesome. Great having you here, Sven. It's good to see that people of such a high profile come and check this stuff out, and it really is pretty cool to know that not every film-maker has a "burn them all!" take on The Scene.
I saw the film and was impressed by the unique prespective it delivers to Hollywood.
I hope you enjoy your browsing here, and welcome to the boards.
ooh, trailer looks great...adding to must watch list
First off... Sven, It's great to see somebody from Hollywood that can think for their own damn self. As you are well aware the MPAA would be SO very happy if these forums just 'went away'. Thank you for taking a stand, and recognizing that these forums are not the absolute evil that the MPAA would have everybody believe. As mentioned previously, many people would not have the opportunity to see L.A. Twister had it not been for piracy. I for one fall into that category. I have seen the WP, and having done so, I will purchase the DVD. I think that you will find that most people here advocate purchasing tickets and / or buying the DVD's if they have seen a movie that they enjoyed.
Kudos on L.A. Twister! The majority of us are looking forward to seeing more of your work.
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Sven you are the friggin man, thank you for being so down to earth and having such an understanding towards what we "do". The things I download infact pursuade me on whether or not to buy the DVD when it becomes available. Expecially when I get a movie I might not want to see in theaters but turn out enjoying after d/l and watching. Were not all bad eh? :P
On the film "device"/on piracy
Mystic, the wp version you saw is a locked picture of the movie. Everything is the same as in the version that is currently in theaters.
Now the question about the suicide scene: The way it is shot and edited was totally scripted. I told Zack and Tony to play the scene as if the characters would experience the suicide for real. Then I turned the camera around and told them that there is a nother "angle" we need to get on this.
Now when I cut the film, I wasn't really thinking that this "device" is going to be the next genius "6th Sense" kind-of-twist (there will never be another "6th Sense" twist).
But I wanted to see how the audience would react if I keep messing with them and try to pull them away from the most dramatic and emotional moments of the film.
The scene and everything that is leading up to it has been a point of discussion on every festival Q&A of the film so far. One person actually told me that she hated that I made her cry for nothing. - I invited her on a beer to make up for it.
Now back to the "Piracy" issue:
Since this has become such an interesting thread, here is an idea: I will publish this discussion with all its replies in the special feature section of the L.A. TWISTER DVD.
So however you feel about pirating movies, whatever you think about L.A. TWISTER (feel free to slam it!). Write it here and it will be on the DVD.
Many good times,
Sven
www.snowdogfilms.com
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all this ranting on about this film.. and now this!
I think i need to see it
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Sven, i'm so pleased you responded on those comments. I had a gut feeling those scenes were intentional. Especially those between Mindy and Lenny in the park.
Dude, that really is genius. It's kind of difficult to explain to folks that haven't seen this movie yet quite what those scenes are like and why they work so well.
I wasn't to sure of them at first as i thought "oh, it's a workprint, it must be some rushes that haven't been chopped out yet". Now you have confirmed them as the real deal like my instincts said they were, i can't help but love this movie even more.
I'm not trying to suck up, asskiss or whatever, hell you probably get enough busboys doing that when you go for a beer.
But that is a touch of genius. Anyone who has seen this movie i'm sure will agree. ESPECIALLY WITH THE HANGING SCENE.
Is there any chance you could reveal to us anything that may be on the DVD? Such as deleted scenes? Alternate scenes? Bloopers? anything like that?
Oh, and the important question i do have is, do you have anyone to distribute the picture in the UK? or outside the USA? I'd love to see this in theatres before i buy the DVD!
Back to the piracy issue:
That sounds awesome! I'm sure many of the forum users here would love a chance to be on a DVD and also get the opportunity to post in this thread and ask a real Hollywood director some questions! Great idea!
As for the actual piracy 'debate' here in this thread, i will re-iterate what i already said before.
I believe piracy does NOT do major harm to the movie industry. Real fans buy in to the real deal. Be that the theatre run, the DVD and/or the merch. The MPAA proclaim that the industry is losing billions every year. BULLSHIT. Go spend more money chasing terrorists or developing a cure for AIDS or cancer.
Across the globe the justice system has always been fucked up. I say, target the people that SELL this stuff. Now that is a fair cop. Those are the people that bring the heat on to folks like us who download movies and music for fun. Getting these things for free offers the user the opportunity to 'try before you buy'. Not just that, but can save you a fortune on wasted DVD's and movie tickets. The less said about music the better. 99.9% of music made today is pure shit. FACT.
As someone who once lived with a bunch of student film makers, and being involved in the making of a film for them, i know first hand how difficult it is to get a foothold in this industry. Not just that, but getting your picture out there, getting it seen. If it wasn't for the pirate copy of LA Twister circulating online right now, i'd still be wondering what this movie was like.
I love seeing piracy groups release limited movies. Napoleon Dynamite, Lost In Translation, Blue Car, Whale Rider and Washington Heights to name but a select few (and of course, Planet Of The Pitts coming soon!). Without the aid of these people putting these movies out online for free, i would never have gotten to see them. Not just that, but i'm no rich guy, i can't afford to buy or pay to see everything i want. Some things you have to get this way.
JUST DON'T SELL THEM ON.
Selling has always been a big black mark on the 'warez scene'. Frowned upon in a big way, it's a bane that, unfortunately won't go away thanks to these stupid people that think they can make a quick buck.
Me? I report anyone i see on eBay selling counterfeit goods. I don't go to market stalls, but i would report them too. Selling is wrong. Pure and simple. It's one thing i simply cannot tolerate. How DARE somebody make a profit off somebody elses work and something they got for free? Oh wait, don't most movie stars do that when they show up to premieres in free clothes and other freebies?
If the industry is hurting so bad, maybe it's time to stop paying $20m paychecks to sad, overpriced 'actors'.
Keep up the good work Sven, it's great to be chatting with a director that's in tune with the people Hollywood loves to hate! Just please dude, after your 3rd or 4th movie, don't let them brainwash you in to hating the people that are possibly some of the biggest supporters of the indie scene!
Re: On the film "device"/on piracy
quote:Great, play to my vanity!! Even if I hate the movie I'm going to buy it now
Originally posted by Sven
Since this has become such an interesting thread, here is an idea: I will publish this discussion with all its replies in the special feature section of the L.A. TWISTER DVD.
So however you feel about pirating movies, whatever you think about L.A. TWISTER (feel free to slam it!). Write it here and it will be on the DVD.
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This is beyond awesome...
I would just like to agree with what mystic said about piracy being a good thing for limited movies. These are the kind of films that don't get the big budget advertisements, and sometimes don't even show in cinemas, but pretty much three quarters of my favourite movies this year have been to this description.
Its through the recommendations from sites like this that you can find the real gems amongst all the other garbage. Given the chance now, would I buy this DVD over any of the massive budget hollywood blockbusters I have seen this year? Hell yes. Without piracy I wouldn't have even heard of this film, so for that I'm thankful.
I also think its quality that you (Sven) embrace the fact that even though alot of us have seen your film through a pirated version, you come across as having the opinion "fans > money". And I will buy this DVD now, just for that.
Without a doubt, unless we let others know, this movie will do nothing at the box office, as Mystic stated in his first post of this thread. I for one was interested in watching this movie, after first reading MS's thread here, but with the director himself joining the discussion, I most definitely will take a good look at this film, and more than likely, I'll enjoy it as well. Great to have you chime in with us, Sven, it makes it even enjoyable, especially when we watch this movie for the first time or 100th time.
As for what Sven mentioned earlier, piracy, I can see that directors, for the most part, are totally turned off by it, but Sven here has basically said that yes, he wants us to pay to see it, but either way, still see it. A film like this, with so little publicity, would be something I would have missed if not for this board, and the people (like MS) on it. I for one will more than likely try to find this in a local theatre, but if not, then of course I will watch it through "other means". But if the film appeals to me, and it sounds like it will, than most defintely I will add it to my christmas list or pick it up myself.
I will update this as soon as I see the movie, which I am really looking forward to.
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(this includes the dreaded MPAA of course).
I just got one question for you Sven. What brought you here, did you here about VCDQ from a friend of a friend of a friend or have you been surfing the site for sometime? Just curious, thanks.
Yeah, I'll agree with MS here, some movies just dont have the publicity for the masses to even hear about the movie, but through Piracy Groups (who put their on the line for us to enjoy a film) we're able to see movies we have never even heard of,I think Sven is a example that their still is people who dont care about the money they get out of a film, but the joy it brings the fans, sure he would like us to go to the theatre, pay out $8.00 to see it, but if thats not possible than he just wants us to see it anyway we can, and for that i say.. SVEN ROCKS!!
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Another good thing in my opinon about pirated releases is that since i live in UK, i dont even hear about a lot of these movies that come out other places first, so i usually tend to watch them and if they are good, i end up going to the cinema if or when it does come out anyway...
Theres obvious arguments against it as well though, such as selling which im sure we all dont agree on, but the MPAA doesnt seem to be caring about that, only about the average guy person who downloads some films.
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SVEN U ARE A GOD! and i agree wit mystic that selling is a black mark on the warez scene and tbtw wenever any1 sees a seller just leg it up and rob every single one of their dvds... what can they do about it?... call the police and say "sum1 has stolen my property" i dont think so.... great movie sven... i saw la twister in a nearby cinema and will buy the dvd wen it comes out
Piracy can be an awfully good thing for non-mainstream movies.
I was so disappointed to miss out on cinema releases of Bubba Hotep and Lost Skeleton of the Cadavra to name just two releases. The only way I got to see these (Until the dvd of Bubba) was via pirate copies.
I downloaded the dvdscr of LA Twister and enjoyed it, whilst not my favourite film of the year it does stand out above the dross that's been released recently. I go to the cinema weekly and more often than not there's nothing on that I want to see (That said, I've paid to watch Saw twice up to now).
So piracy does help to get the film out to the masses, which can only be a good thing. And even if only a proportion of those 'masses' buy the DVD, it's still a bonus.
Oh and the other bonus of piracy is that I didn't have to pay to see the laughable pile of shite that was Alien vs Predator. How anyone can screw up that idea is beyond me.
I'd like to thank you, Sven Pape, for actually getting down to the dirty part of movies. I'm extremely impressed to see that you had taken some of your time to actually sign up on these forums. I have yet to see L.A. Twister, but when my oppurtunity arises, you can be sure I'll pay a reasonable amount to view it, then I'll find a copy of it for myself, and then probably purchase it.
By you posting on here, you've made a major jump from everyone else who directs movies, and I think I speak for everyone here, impressed the shit out of us.
-hp
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Being in the UK I don't get the chance to see many limited release movies. After using the internet to download pirated copies of movies my DVD collection has grown exponentially. If I see a film and I like it chances are I will buy it on DVD soon after. The majority of films I have purchased have never seen the light of day in my local cinema. 
Basiclly Priacy can be a good thing, but at the same time a bad thing.
Companies are not loosing out, cuz if someone downloads a film, i.e. LA Twister then decides its the best thing ever, they will still buy it, I know I will. So the company still gains the DVD sale.
I'd love to go on, but 2 tired.
The main question though is, when is the DVD coming out in the UK.
Dunny
Sven,
As you are a director, and seeing that this thread will become a part of the dvd... give us some direction as to what kind of questions regarding movie piracy that you would like your audience to see answered.
I think that M$ (and others) have done a very good job of summing up the mindset of the majority of our ranks. However, we sometimes overlook more simplistic questions that outsiders may have.
I am sure that many on here would be more than happy to answer any questions that you or others in the industry may have.
*<insert obligatory brown-nosing>*
BTW, the suicide scene... Genious.
LoNeR
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Piracy in my eyes is the greatest consumer tool invented in a long time. It allows you to try before you buy. I wouldn't have half of my dvd collection (that i paid for) if it wasn't for piracy. I wouldn't of bought Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind or kill bill or the matrix series (some say that isn't to smart), futurama, family guy, school of rock, paycheck, underworld (good movie just in my eyes bad directing). I am sorry I am forcing these big buisnesses into evolving. What piracy does is takes away any revenue they got by stupid consumers who didn't know a movie was crap in the first place. This also goes with the riaa and music. Before there was a descent amount of people going to stores and buying a bunch of cd's that they never heard of. Now this market is almost dead. Music has gotten smart and decided to evolve with the system (although they did spend some time trying to hold back all the free p2p programs so they could not seem like they came in to far behind). Movies though have yet to find this outlet of movies on the internet. I tried movielink once the quality of the films was piss poor (when your used to the quality of these group rips it's hard to downgrade) audio was crap and video was just terribly small. File size was 500mb for each movie. Mpaa needs to get off there ass and do what the riaa did. If you provide shit you get shit in return if you provide quality your going to get fat pockets. For the smart consumer piracy is the only option i am sad that i do see a lot of people abusing this option just so they can have free movies but there is always good with the bad.
I am a consumer not your bitch stop telling me how i should buy your product if you want happy customers be a happy company and not scare us with lawsuits and being raped by bubba. Big buisness just needs to stop acquring every little project so they have more of a monopoly over the buisness this will save them money having less shitty products will = less lost money. Also it will allow smaller production/publishing houses to form to make the smaller budget movies that will make any independent movie maker happy. But that will never happen because big buisness is all about big buisness
Note: To kind of go on about music piracy I believe what the riaa says is partially true. 1 point the pro piracy people give to this is that eminem sold 2 million records in 1 week that's a record how can artist break records if people are buying less cd's. It's because everyone is buy these pop cd's instead of the more indepent stuff. Since most people are now brainwashed they are hyped up only to buy the pop music nothing else. So then these small bands that has been invested into by the record company bomb all that money the record company put into them is down the drain thus the loss. This is though the cause of the big music companys not piracy
Ahhhh piracy.
Try.........like......buy.
Try....hate....no big deal.
Plus, being under 18, half the stuff i get i couldn't pay for if i wanted to. Do they even take that into a account when they do the figures for average money lost because of piracy? Doubt it.
Will surely have to check this flick out....merely from the hype...this sounds awesome.
Hurray!
I severly enjoyed this film, and would never had seen it if it werent for piracy. For i live in iceland, and all we get are "big" movies that for the most part, should never have been made in the first place.
my favorite scene in the movie would not be the hanging itself, but the scenes running up to that. While Lenny was buying snacks and stuff while Ethan prepared his death.
I laughed hard at that. (Which probably wasn't your intention, but i'm a morbid bastard)
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Good movie indeed..
I liked it. after reading this review and all the comments i had to see it and after seeing it i can truly say its a shame that not more people are able to see it. its not a typical hollywood movie and i like that and im gonna pickup the dvd when it comes to sweden. i hope to seeing more movies from you and its not everyday you can say thank you to a director or somebody involved in a movie so thank you sven for this movie
How refreshing to see a director who actually cares about the quality of his work instead of the quality of his advertising. Rest assured that in the future, I will certainly take an interest in your work and see your new movies, because you proved that there is still some honor left in hollywood.
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yeah lets just hope mystic dosn't scare him off. Maybe this place will become a hang out for directors/actors/pr0no stars who are not against piracy. Then we can take them and use them as hostages so we can get some hot gear for us to make a movie that would be l33t
The chance of more directors coming here is rather slim, but then again Sven showed up. The issue of piracy has been discussed so many times on this board, my policy still stands at try before you buy. There are many movies that I would have not bought had it not been for getting a rip of it first. ...ing is one that comes to mind. I spent $30 nearly to get the special edition set, and I love it. I imagine 1 out of 1 million people have heard of ..ing and it stands as one of the best movies I've seen to date. LA Twister, in my opinion, belongs on the best of 2004 list. Wether it is because 2004 has sucked when it came to movies, or because it was just that damn good I do not know, but the LA Twister DVD will join my collection as soon as it is retail.
The MPAA is constantly fighting piracy, and putting out loss estimates etc. My statistics teacher once told me that 70% of statistics are made up on the spot. If that is true, then most of the MPAA claims of losing millions are just that, claims, that hold no ground. Piracy is a great promotional tool for both LIMITED and Non-Ltd films. Not only for DVD sales, but also for theatrical releases, as on several occasions I went to the cinema after watching a Telesync of a movie, just because I liked it, and thought it deserved my money. It is great to see someone from the industry who doesn't have their head up their ass, counting money. Sven, I have alot of respect for you now. I hope you enjoy these fine forums, and welcome to the club.
KenshinX, Boxofhate.com
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Sellers are what give this scene a bad rep. All Sellers must DIE!. YES, THAT MEANS YOU, anyone who sells bootlegged movies should die of AIDS.
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Now I haven't had the chance to see L.A. Twister yet, but I have checked out the trailer and reviews for it and it seems this film is going to be a masterpiece of cinematography.
If it were not for M$, these forums, piracy (in a sense), and also Sven, I may of never heard of this film.
I'm just glad to see though, that directors are finally realizing that piracy (again, loosely, in a sense) can help their films become bigger and better things. If I see a film I enjoy I will buy it. I have a job and I still can't afford to see every film that comes out that looks remotely interesting.
But none-the-less, thank you Sven. If I had the chance to go to the cinemas to witness this film, I would, but my cinema isn't too keen with limited films. I will download your film, but I'll guarantee if it is up to my likings, I will also purchase your film. So don't feel cheated by anyone who isn't able to your movie, downloading it.
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.. piracy is just one of many things that helps tip the scales in favor of the lesser guy
giving back a global piece of equality on the most essential part of every day life... which is the sharing of information
from limited and uncut movies sooner (ie UK or US waiting up to 6+ months for the swap of domestic theatre releases) to overpriced music .. to rare classics or out of print stuff...
at the moment piracy has its place . im addicted to the weatlh of information i can be afforded via the scene. not the cool-factor of how many programs i can download or movies i can leech but the addiction to a constant feed of information and education. . there is something so innocent and positive about the rush i get from seeing something that would be censored or ortherwise ignored by the media something that justifies the reasons i do it.
and like many people on this board will a'test to.... i BUY dvds.... i GO to shows... i PAY for the overpriced tickets at the theatre. we DO give back. i assume a very small percent of the piracy scene actually never gives back in some way shape or form.
and in many instances.. we work and participate in the industries we are 'helping to destroy'.. puhhlease!.. the movie and game biz has never been better
sven you are a shining light in a fight for freedom of information and fair business with loyal consumers and fans..
i salute you and found LA Twister to be quite a nice piece of work i wish you well and hope your convictions last with your career =)
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It's not always about what's gonna make more money. I mean if you get down to the basics of it, piracy is stealing. Of course, it's only stealing if the person cares. The "problem" the industry at large has with piracy is that it's here to stay, and they know that. There's no point in wasting millions of dollars trying to prevent something that CAN'T be prevented: take music for example. People have been pirating music since TAPES. People have been pirating movies since VCR's. If the industries would just learn to accept piracy and have a positive look on it they will see the beneficial attributes of it.
I can't speak for movies, but one of the heaviest pirated album of all time, (according to some studies: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-923472.html?tag=fd_top ), The Eminem Show in 2002, had PHENOMINAL sales. I bought the album, because I LOVED it. It's not a coincidence that the highly pirated music and movies are the ones that have such high sales. What is so hard to see about that?
Microsoft swears revenge if they ever find the person who leaked their French release of Halo 2, but when the sales numbers come in, you tell me if that made a significant difference (negative impact). Chances are no, if anything it helped.
So while I don't morally support piracy, I don't see it as a threat or even a bad thing. EMBRACE IT! You will come out a winner.
Back to this movie, I like many people here never heard of it (I live in L.A., but not a big movie fan, don't hear about movies much). But hell I'll probably end up watching this one some time. Thanks to piracy I've heard of it.
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But the actions they are taking against piracy is right...if they did not at least attempt to stop it, then it would become more and more mainstream to do so. And when that happens, sales will start to get lower and lower.
I think its got an ok 'balance' between that right now.
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When the MPAA finally realise they can't stop people downloading films (and shouldn't) films will go the way of I, Robot. One long product placement advert. I, Robot was done well, I'll still buy it when it comes out, but I can imagine alot of films will overdo it.
Anybody that is into movies will still buy the DVD after downloading a film but only if its a good film. I have a huge DVD collection and I download films all the time. For a good film I will go to the cinema too. (Lord of the Rings, Star Wars ect.) The biggest grossing films are the most pirated. Coincidence?
Hollywood should put the effort into making good films not trying to force people to buy bad ones.
After a review like this from my peers, I'll be buying this one too
Mystic has already taken the words out of my mouth But Really Everthings Totally Twisted in the way the American movie industry is running things in response to piracy. We're facing Dangerous Reprocussions Everyday How Everyone Runs to blame the people involved with piracy by having agencies go as far as saying that by downloading a movie you are supporting terrorism.
As far as the "try-before-you-buy" aspect of it, that's a very legitment claim. Why should the consumer have to pay for something they do not enjoy? The fact is that there is a so called "law-amongst-theives" for the true believers of the cause and the fact that we are finally being recognized by someone who is in the industry (and if kept up to this quality of work as in L.A. Twister, will be for a long time) as something more then people just trying to get out of having to pay for something.
Sven, I think I can speak for everyone here that knows the "scene" that having someone as open-minded as you on the other side of the fence is an inspiration of sorts.
i really loved this movie btw... do u have any more projects in mind?
ok now i gotta see the movie
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Howdy,
wow, Im amazed to see all the posts in this thread. Thanks for all who care enough to put their fingers to a keyboard.
Mystic you asked about the DVD features. First, we'll publish this thread; next I want to include a test scene we shot 6 months prior to production. It's a 7 minute scene with Zack and Tony (shot on 35mm as well). We did it to figure out what we were doing.
I also want to include a special on the play, the webcast and the premiere at the Mann's Chinese Theatre. This whole event was a great experience in its own, highly interactive with loads of web audience involvement.
I want to do a commentary with Patrice Cochet, the cinematographer. I think it will be especially interesting to describe our journey as filmmakers as we were making a movie about a movie about a movie... and all the parallels we encountered.
Zack and Tony will put the focus on what their experience as actors was. Especially Zack who's been in a ton of stuff since "A christmas story" has a lot of insights on what it is like to be an actor in this town.
DC_MAN, you wanted to know what brought me to this site. Actually through our web-stats we figured that something was up. We started getting more and more traffic from all over the world. A lot of people especially from Europe were googling our site and were typing "LA.Twister" (instead of L.A. TWISTER or LA TWISTER;-) It took us a while to figure out why so many people would repeat the same "typo". It was the file name of the pirate copy. As soon as Mystic posted his review we started getting direct hits from this forum. (Since then our website traffic trippled). I think it's only fair to return the favor and link back.
LoNeR, you wanted some direction for the thread in terms of the piracy discussion. There is actually an idea that I have. Bu I want to wait a couple more days before I bring it to the table. (Suspense!)
I am curious as to what you think as to how many people have already seen the wp version of the film?
I just started playing with an IRC software myself and I'm trying to figure out how I can download L.A. TWISTER. I want to see what the quality actually looks like. (Disclaimer: I'm only going to download my own film, so don't sue me). I haven't succeeded yet, but supposedly im queued up.
Finally, OVERDRIVE wants to know what the next project is. I'm finishing up a rewrite on my thesis script from my film school time(AFI). It is a modern day Hitchcock to be shot in Nova Scotia next year. That story thematically also plays with the perception of reality, but it is not a comedy this time. Growing up the classic suspense thrillers were my favorite movies and I haven't seen a good one in a long time.
Good Times,
Sven
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P.S. If you get a chance, visit L.A. TWISTER on www.imdb.com and rate it and/or review it. It would mean a lot to me.
Plug: The film will be in theaters in Madison, WI, Nov. 19-26, Germany (Brunswick), Nov. 12-14, Kansas City, Dec. 10-16 and the Monaco Film Festival Dec. 3-5. Check out our website for details and more screenings.
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quote:I'm sure some people will oblige Sven although there's already some good reviews on there (and one bad one, but we've already sent the VCDQuality death squad to his house).
Originally posted by Sven
P.S. If you get a chance, visit L.A. TWISTER on www.imdb.com and rate it and/or review it. It would mean a lot to me.
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oh and if you're downloading your own wp off irc make sure i doesnt say "TMD" anywhere in the file name. the files should total up to 1gb+. if its around 300 megs you know you're getting a reencode
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any chance of getting a chicago land screening of the film...i'd so go ^_^
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so would i krysiek there are a few of small independantly owned theaters in downtown chicago all very adequate places to hold a screening
It's ironic that the MPAA can at one turn claim massive losses amounting in the billions as a direct result of film piracy, but then at the end of their 2003 quarterly report record amount of theatre revenues. If you want to read some interesting novels from the past that show extreme corrolations to what is happening today, I suggest you read Das Kapital by Karl Marx. The relations drawn in a book over 100 years old are absolutely astounding.
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haha ya, quite the considence in a triple of traffic . Thanks for the reply Sven, I appreciate it. I will be watching your movie tonight and will reply back in this thread with what I think as well as vote on imdb just for you. Interesting news about your plans for a shoot in Nova Scotia, ever think about shooting something here in London, Ontario. I would definetely drop by the shoot and shake your damn hand. Think about it!!
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The film will be in theaters in Madison, WI, Nov. 19-26
im considering it too but this is a bit of a turn off
Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 34 minutes Total Est. Distance: 154.08 miles
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Well the verdict is in. Sven amazing job!
9/10
Brilliant idea, great acting by all cast members, you can really feel the relationships everyone shares with each other. Not to mention hilarious! This DVD will most definetely be getting my purchase. I'm hoping this eventually goes wide, so the whole world can view it. If not it's a crying shame, but atleast I got to!
I can now not wait for this suspense picture your gonna start working on. Hoorah! Thank you for making LA Twister.
"I'm the race car, and your the thimble. Bitch!"
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Originally posted by Sven
I just started playing with an IRC software myself and I'm trying to figure out how I can download L.A. TWISTER.
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Originally posted by Sven
Now back to the "Piracy" issue:
Since this has become such an interesting thread, here is an idea: I will publish this discussion with all its replies in the special feature section of the L.A. TWISTER DVD.
So however you feel about pirating movies, whatever you think about L.A. TWISTER (feel free to slam it!). Write it here and it will be on the DVD.
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quote:That's just pure poetry mate, I couldn't agree more.
Originally posted by 404notfound
If one day you find yourself at one of those showbiz parties standing in the corner wondering to yourself exactly why you came and notice out of the corner of your eye 'director' (i use the term loosley) Paul W.S. Anderson walking past, could you please just go up to him and PUNCH HIM AS HARD AS YOU FUCKING CAN IN THE FACE!! and as he falls to the floor shout THAT IS FOR EVERY PERSON WHO HAD TO SIT AND WATCH YOU TURN EVERY FRANCHISE YOU TOUCH INTO A STEAMING PILE OF SHITE!
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I half agree with 404. One on hand the VCDq community in paticular is very adamant about two things: Never sell pirated software, and if you like it you should support it. However, I honestly believe that in the wide spectrum of piracy the vast majority are simply shoplifting with the intend to avoid paying period.
In a retail state of mind a movie makes it's profit in video sales, not in box office. The box office is sorta like a big ass promo that helps the production company recup it's expenses. Once the movie reaches DVD the actual profits begin to appear, if they appear at all. So when you come to a movie like L.A Twister that has very limited showings it's actually very beneficial for the movie to be pirated, since most people will not have access to a theatre viewing of the film in the first place. If they see and love them film, some may buy the DVD. If the film was not pirated, no one would have seen it, and no dvds would be purchased. As my mother always told me, some is better than none.
Now on the flipside when you come to blockbuster 100 million dollar productions, you're looking at massive investments with the expectancy of big box office weekends. If a blockbuster is a flop, the production companies won't make their money back for years at the very best. A good example would be that Predator just broke even as of 2003. It almost took 2 decades for a cult classic and incredibly well known film to turn any profit at all. Imagine what happens with some movies that just turn out absolutely dismal (The Alamo or Gigli).
So as it stands blockbuster films NEED the theatre sales, while independent films NEED the video sales and hope for the theatre showings to give the film sufficient buzz to create critical and financial benefits.
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Amazing. I guess all directors don't have sticks up their asses huh? Way to go Sven .. this was an excellent movie. If i get enough time off of school, i sure as well will make the long drive up to Wisconsin. If it wasn't for this thread, i would have never even heard of this movie .. and been able to see it. Keep up the good work and directing. Can't wait to buy this on dvd and for your next film
Movie: 10/10 - Favorite of the year!!! (yes - i gladly rated it on iMDB & recommended it to many friends as well)
This was defenitley one of the best movies I've seen this year, one of the few that I will actually buy . I'd go see it in theaters but its just too far :\ . AWESOME job on the movie Sven, hope to see more from you . I'm giving it a 10 out of 10!
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Movie/music companies (monopoly is illegal, so the RIAA/MPAA arent companies, right.. not like they would rig prices on CDs, or movies) have a control of what's being played on the medias. Radio, TV, you name it.
You will also see that they say "IT HURTS THE INDUSTRY". While it is true, they might not be able to suck up every cent they used to get before the net became popular, they are not losing money. It's easy to say that IF a movie they made was crapy, and that lot's of people downloaded it and never bought it, it hurt them. But maybe making a bad movie in the first place was bad?
Let's look at it from another angle. The only traded movies on the net (I mean heavily traded) are movies that are in theatre, making lots of money anyway. Now, would I take the risk of *MAYBE* watch a crappy movie (with 20mins of commercials/previews) for $9, in a theatre, where the food is more expensive than a house? The movie industry has been sucking every dollars they could over the last 20-30 years, and they've been doing it on the fact that we cannot know if we're gonna like what we paid for (i.e. I loved the LOTR, seen them all in theatre, bought them on DVD.. yet I downloaded them).
And one fun twist that's been around for ages about music.. why are CDs more expensive than tapes? Quality? Vinyl has a higher quality, actualy, and when you "buy" a tape/cd, you buy the license that allows you to listen to it, and it's not a "if (%quality >= 22kHz) = %total * 2" license.
I don't post often, but seeing that the director of a movie agrees with me on movies (like, DOWNLOAD MY SHIT, ITS COOL WE'RE ALL BROS AND SHIT), it makes me very happy. Seeing someone in the industry itself agreeing is a very nice feeling
My 2 cents.
PS: I'll make sure to download it, too :P
Fitting tight with the video scene, I'm glad to see a director who has the view of a pirate himself. Pushing bootleg releases out on the net hasn't been a task for many groups so people to grab and decide to sell, but a task so people who can not afford to see a good/bad movie at the movie theater (also for movies such as this being a limited theater release). The movie industry of course sees this as a violent act towards their industry, as a bunch of dumb people actually do go out and sell crappy cam copies on DVDs. I'd like to point out a video that I've done, it's called Piracy the Addiction, its on clubten.tv . It's my view on piracy, however judge it whatever way you wish. I am a up and coming video producer, and see no problem with piracy as it just helps most people get to see movies that they normally can not see right away. Isn't the movie industry about the entertainment? Revenue usually generates back, so what money is lost? Nothing. Did we tell the industry to pay actors millions of dollars to act in their films? No . . . . quite stupid if you ask me if they want to bitch about us stealing their films. Personally, I get in the movies for free since my girlfriend works box at a movie theater. Also the managers have tons of friends they let in free. So yes, PIRACY isn't the only thing hurting the industry, the theaters employees let people slide in for free!!
About L.A. Twister, haven't had a chance to see it , haven't even seen a theater around here that may have it. Will be sure to buy it when the DVD arrives in stores.
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making lots of money anyway
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quote:But if I went into Wal-Mart to buy a coke, I'd get a coke... If I went into a cinema to watch a movie, there's a pretty good chance I'll see a total steamer instead. Think about how many dissapointments Hollywood has produced this year, movies that could have been good and turned out to be nothing but pure, unadulterated rubbish.
Originally posted by exorcist
Very poor outlook on piracy. You are rationalizing theft. Wal-Mart makes TONS of money, is it alright to walk in there and just slip items into your pockets?
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hi mom!
I checked the most "artsy"/experimental movie theatres around, and noone will be showing this movie on the big screen, it seems (Denmark).
Edit: Heh, I already had access to it on an ftp server - if it hadn't been for this thread, I'd never have thought to watch it.. now it will be accompanying my dinner, I can't wait.
quote:There's a workprint and a DVD screener out - Mystic reviewed the workprint.
Originally posted by sar
hi mom!
now hurry up someone, and release a dvd rip of the movie, so that us scandinavians can watch it too - I checked the most "artsy"/experimental movie theatres around, and noone will be showing this movie on the big screen, it seems.
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I just sat and laughed alone for about a minute at the thought of someone like Sven or any other new forum browser clickin on Neversoft's random link.
Haven't seen this link yet...at work.....maybe it's tasty.
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Ah yes neversoft - found it now.. by HLS, released 29. of September - wonder why it's not on vcdquality?
Sven: If you want to see how the pirated cut of your movie looks like, I'm sure someone here could upload it too you.. I doubt you'll have much luck with IRC, I tried before, and got 3 KB/s =)
Great Work Sven
Sven,
It has really been exciting to have you as a guest here on the forums. I appreciate your work on LA Twister. After reading Mystic's review and your initial response, I went online to see if LA Twister was playing near me- unfortunately it wasn't, so I scoured the net for a copy to satiate my curiousity. After watching the movie a couple times through, I'm happy to support Mystic's nomination of best film of 2004. Great work- I'll definitely be buying the DVD when it comes out. I've left my support on IMDB.com in the form of a 10 rating and an exemplary review- which I'll post here as well. Thanks for the great work.
"Sven Pape has proven himself genius with this distinctly unique artwork. Covering all aspects of the "Hollywood scene," Pape holds nothing back while unveiling the beast behind the Hollywood mask. Zack Ward commands a stellar lead, and is supported by a very talented and inventive cast and crew. Pape has created a work that will appeal to the viewer at every emotional level, and leave his audience hungry for more of his work. L.A. Twister should be a huge stepping-stone in the career of Sven Pape, and will definitely be a mile marker of remembrance. In an era where the public is bombarded by senseless and unmeaning media which Hollywood dubs as "entertainment," it is encouraging and refreshing to view a work of art such as L.A. Twister. "
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You are rationalizing theft.
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Very poor outlook on piracy.
Ok so I just found this thread while browsin round the forum, read the reviews, watched the trailer, now I really wanna see this movie, so off I go to find it!
If it wasn't for the "pirates" I wouldn't be able to see this film!
@Sven
Total respect with your attitude on this one!
Alex
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If you can explain to me why its ok to have movies broadcasted on TV for free (i.e. I don't pay a dime to see it), but it's not ok to watch it when I feel like it? The only difference: the net is not controllable.
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exposure
Now I have to see this. I would probably never even known about it otherwise.
That should be worth something...
Best of luck to you.
PS. Want to read my screenplay? lol just trying to cash in on the thread sven! It would make for great cocktail talk...
on various stuff...
Duke: How did I feel when I first realized that there is a pirated version of the movie? I was curious. I was happy to see that there is another audience out there that likes the movie.
I was worried that it won't look as good as it should be. Since then I was able to download the pirated version of my film and it actually looks and sounds OK. I do think it should be seen in the best form possible (on the big screen) and I want to thank DethStar for making the trip out to Madison for that reason.
404notfound: Paul W.S. Anderson? I'll remember what you said if I ever meet him. I know Zack worked with him on RE2 and tells me everytime how much more prepared he is. Forgive me, but I won't act on your request. In the meantime I'll wait for PT Anderson's new movie. He truly is a great filmmaker.
Pony_sr: Thank you for the review, I don't know if I would go as far as calling L.A. TWISTER a masterpiece - wait,... hell yeah! Did I mention that MAGNOLIA is a masterpiece?
xcajx: Regarding your screenplay. I'm not really a person that reads other scripts, but what's your story in one sentence ;-) ?
Hopefully for the next post, I can announce an idea for taking this "experiment" to the next level. Before I do I want to make sure that my "people" are onboard... This is starting to become a public forum, and I want them to hear it from me first.
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Ok Sven, i'll let you off just this once. I personally believe the man doesn't have an ounce of talent but as i have seen others feel different (Some people actually liked Resident Evil and A vs P!! Go figure!) I was prepared to give him a chance over Alien Vs Predator. He maintained the studio made him butcher the film in order to receive a PG certificate and he told the fans to await the uncut dvd to see his true vision. What a surprise.... 3 months later he says that there was no uncut version and it was always shot as a PG movie.
If he doesn't have the confidence to stand by his film something must be wrong!
Anyhooooooo another Anderson rant over with (If you hang around you'll no doubt see more)
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Good Job!!!
The Movie Was Great, and i tank you, Sevn for understanding the GOOD side to piracy. I usually don't even pay attention to Mystics reveiws, as i liked alot of the movies he slammed, but i took a chance, and im glad.
By The Way -show all of the other directors this thread and let them know that there are caring people who actually don't want to get ripped off and download movies for a preview, and also i hope you get this move to realease wide so everyone can see that not all good movies are from big0budget biig name producers.
Also a shout out to the MPAA, see look the "pirates" actually buy movies, as said before, go after the sellers on ebay, and the sellers on the streets.
-Warezman1234 AKA Gordo(don't ask) :P
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The critics are ALL WRONG!!! 2 out of 5 stars is the biggest understatement since the criticisms on Fight Club. This movie contains all the necessary elements; laughter, drama, suspense. IMDB has a more accurate picture with it's current 7.8 out of 10 stars.
Sven mentions Magnolia being a masterpeice, this movie is in the same category on a smaller scale. It is one not to be missed nor forgotten (given it's unique plot). Take it from someone who lives in L.A.
It should be obvious to Movie Exec's all the way down to cast, we are the real audience - the downloaders. Our passion for movies mostly revolves around watching just about everything we can (good and bad) and buying the majority of Retail DVDs (since we watch more movies than the average person), including foreign. It'll be best not to fuck with us. Instead love us, or at least accept us.
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If you can explain to me why its ok to have movies broadcasted on TV for free (i.e. I don't pay a dime to see it), but it's not ok to watch it when I feel like it?
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Okay, I've read through most of the post so far on this thread and i have too say i agree with most of the comments made on piracy and the like, But it's fair to say that most of the people that have posted their idea's and thoughts are 18+ but i'm not so here's the story from a 13 year olds p.o.v:
On Piracy
It is good too be the envy of your friends when you can say "Oh yeah i downloaded Alfie last night" or whatever, But it can get annoying when u have a friend asking if he can borrow this or that but i admit i do get my mum too buy any films i have d/led and enjoyed . It also helps if you want to go to the cinema and aren't aloud too watch cause your not old enough.
On L.A Twister And Sven Pape
I haven't seen the film yet and like many others did not know jack all about it untill this thread. And kudos to you Sven for just seeing how much the anti-piracy commities lie about this and that.And for giving everyone a chance too have their opinions on a dvd along with (what i hear) Is a brilliant film .
So on the whole thanks for the chance to let me and everyone else host their views.
GoodBye For Now
Stuart
I will definitely be buying L.A. Twister when it comes to DVD. Its cool that Sven was curious about us pirates, and came here to discuss it. Greets sAJ
This could be the start of a new trend, young aspiring directors promoting their work here at VCDQuality. Just as long as their work is of a decent standard.
Imagine a young Paul W.S. Anderson coming here. Hehe. I doubt he'd appreciate our comments of his celluloid exploits and the sacrilege butchering of many a great franchise.
Wow, all this talk really made me want to see this movie! I'm definitely going to see L.A. Twister as soon as I have a chance!
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all i have to say about the riaa and mpaa is quit wasting millions trying to stop the pirates and keep it in your packet since u need it sooo much more. pirates dont hurt ya your still going to get your pay cheque at the end of the day. or just realize that u might be able to throw some ppl in jail cause there in a rlz group but at the end of the day there still million more ppl to take there position on the internet
u can stop some ppl
but u will never stop it
quit throwing away money trying to stop it.
how many million/billion have they waste busting ppl
g/j haha
i will buy this movie as soon as its on dvd i hate WP's hehe
Well, I finally got around to watching the DVD Screener yesterday and it is a pretty damned good movie. Whilst I'm not going to enthuse at length about it like Mystic did (hey, it's his review thread!) I will say that it held my attention from start to finish. I wouldn't say there's many laughs in the movie but it certainly raises a smile on numerous occaisions and it also achieves something that most films fail tragically at - you actually give a shit about the central characters. Overall, very well written, very cleverly directed. Zack Ward also impressed, mainly because I've only ever seen him in big clucking turkeys before, let's hope this is the first of many quality parts for him as he can act and he looks distinctive without actually being better looking than me... That's my kind of actor
I won't patronise Sven with a "score" but overall, it's well worth watching and it certainly deserves more exposure 
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Before I commit intellectual property theft....
...which I fully intend to do....
Most of us pretty much agree that the whole argument of the entrenched media publishers re piracy or 'media sharing' is a pantload.
Sven is not alone in seeing the benefits to the overlooked/fledgling artist.
Check out http://www.baen.com/library/
An old guard print publishing house firmly embracing the idea of casting bread upon the waters.
A brief quote from the site:
"Losses any author suffers from piracy are almost certainly offset by the additional publicity which, in practice, any kind of free copies of a book usually engender. Whatever the moral difference, which certainly exists, the practical effect of online piracy is no different from that of any existing method by which readers may obtain books for free or at reduced cost: public libraries, friends borrowing and loaning each other books, used book stores, promotional copies, etc."
They have a mix of full novels available for download including Larry Niven's "Fallen Angels" and a host of others.
Sven,
I finally watched this movie of yours. I had to obtain a copy since no theatres around here were showing this movie nor had they any plans to.
I really liked the style you shot this movie with and am looking forward to supporting more of your work. (yes I mean by buying it)
As soon as this movie is available on DVD in Canada you will be getting another sale from me.
I'll be honest, before I heard the hype from msytic and others I didn't even know your movie existed. I almost definitely would have been very likely to give this one a skip if my attention had not been drawn to it through this forum.
In my case you can thank "piracy" directly for a sale you have gained that you had absolutely no chance of getting prior to my viewing this thread.
I really hope that when you make it big in the industry that you do not get your head stuck up your ass like so many others
I respect that you took the time to sign up here and show us that not everyone in your industry is silly heh.
I really don't want to come across like everything about your movie was perfect, but I think that you are headed in the right direction and if you stick with it you will have some great big things in your future.
Thank you for a truly entertaining movie in 2004. You don't understand how much garbage I have sifted through for this diamond in the rough.
If only people would learn from you and realize that I don't need to see everything CGI and shit blowing up everywhere to make a good movie, than you have made a huge mark upon the film industry for the better and not the worse
If you leave any questions that I feel "qualified" to answer then you will hear from me again If not, then you can count on me waiting for your next film.
Best regards,
A true Movie fan that will pay for movies that are not crap. Hollywood are you listening? Stop making every single movie a 2 hour long commercial full of mindless garbage and you will have my support.
I pay to see movies I truly enjoy. Usually in the Theatres and on DVD. Want my money? Then make a decent movie and you'll get it.
When is this coming out on DVD in Canada? Would love to know so I can take note and go pick it up to add to my collection.
P.S. How could I leave this without bigups to my boys?? E. Datclericstalker, Craxx, and Nintik you bastages. For everyone else... YOU KNOW AK!?!? Shoutout to Sassy H. and Clarrr-Keeeey!
(Sorry, had to toss in that plug for my buds Gotta add some additional keepsake value. )
This is gonna be pure jokes/memories if I see myself in the extras when I buy this flick. I'm staying optimistic
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Today's frontpage of the Hollywood Reporter
I thought this fits our discussion...
Nov. 05, 2004
MPAA launches legal offensive against online pirates
By Jesse Hiestand
Movie pirates were warned Thursday that they are under surveillance as potential targets of copyright infringement lawsuits that the MPAA will begin filing Nov. 16.
The campaign has been quietly under way for months and will tentatively involve about 250 cases filed in courts around the United States.
The potential defendants are people who allow dozens if not hundreds of movies to be uploaded from their computers onto such peer-to-peer file-trading networks as Kazaa and eDonkey. Warner Bros., Sony Corp., the Walt Disney Co. and the other MPAA members hope to head off the problem before it gets out of hand, as happened with the record labels.
"If we don't act now, the consequences will be devastating to the entire film industry," MPAA president and CEO Dan Glickman told reporters at the UCLA School of Theater, Film and Television. "This is about protecting some things that all Americans hold dear: consumer choice, artistic creativity and economic growth. They cannot happen if the creators' ability to come up with these works of art is impinged by the fact that they are being distributed for free around the world."
The lawsuits follow and complement efforts to educate people about the economic consequences of movie piracy. An ad slated to coincide with the filings states "Is this you?" and lists the user names and Internet addresses of hundreds of actual file traders.
"I think (the lawsuits) will be a major deterrent both to people currently doing it and people who might be thinking of doing it in the future," MGM chairman and CEO Alex Yemenidjian said.
The campaign has broad industry support, uniting the studios and unions despite their recent contract fights over residuals from legitimate DVD sales. Glickman and his top anti-piracy lieutenants were joined Thursday by DGA national executive director Jay Roth and secretary-treasurer Gil Cates, WGA West executive director John McLean and president Daniel Petrie Jr., SAG national officer Anne-Marie Johnson and IATSE International representative in charge Joe Aredas.
"This is stealing, plain and simple," Cates said. "Why would my fellow directors want to make a film that is exploited in that way, which robs them of both their livelihood and their work? And why would the studios want to put money into a film that can be stolen and illegally mass-distributed before or just as it reaches the screen? The answer is we won't and they won't."
Johnson added that piracy has a direct impact on workers throughout the industry. "The majority of us are one residual paycheck from losing our health and pension," he said, "so we can't and we won't condone peer-to-peer file sharing and allow theft to continue."
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who did not attend the briefing, said online piracy has implications for the state because movies generate about $30 billion in annual revenue.
"We must teach our children that the illegal downloading of movies and music is wrong and that it has consequences," Schwarzenegger said in a statement.
The MPAA will follow the procedures the RIAA pioneered in going after illegal music trading: first, intercept the Internet address of a person sharing a movie on a peer-to-peer network and then sue them as an unidentified "Doe" defendant in a federal civil case. The MPAA can then subpoena the Internet service provider to reveal the person's name, allowing the person to be sued individually for damages.
Copyright law puts a price of $30,000 on each film infringement, or up to $150,000 if it is deemed willful.
It is expected that most people will be given an opportunity to settle the cases for a few thousand dollars, as the RIAA has done with many of the 6,200 cases it has filed since September 2003.
The RIAA's campaign has produced mixed results, from raising the public's awareness of copyright law to early embarrassments like suing the wrong people.
Experts say movie and music piracy are fundamentally different.
Film files, whether from ripped DVDs or camcorded in theaters, are far larger and more cumbersome to transfer electronically than songs, though that has become less of an issue as home consumers add broadband connections.
Music and movies also are viewed differently by copyright law, according to attorney Dan Ballard, who advised some of the consumers sued by the RIAA. The courts have recognized a person's right to make copies of music they own for personal, in-home use, he said. No such right has been extended to movies.
"I don't know of any fair-use argument for downloading a movie, so the courts are going to be very receptive to the MPAA's cases where they may have been a little more reluctant with the RIAA's cases," Ballard said. "Consumers also seem to consider movies differently. Everyone knows it's unlawful to download a movie, so the gestalt is that it's acceptable for songs but not for movies."
Others say the industry suits are ineffective because recent studies show that P2P traffic is at least as high if not higher now than it was when the RIAA started suing people.
"It's also a bit misguided to launch these lawsuits against movie fans at a time when the (movie) industry is enjoying fantastic profits," the Electric Frontier Foundation's Fred von Lohman said. "There is absolutely no evidence that peer-to-peer file sharing is hurting Hollywood's bottom line as opposed to the music industry."
The MPAA estimates that the studios lose about $3.5 billion annually to physical piracy like bootlegged DVDs but does not have a ready figure for Internet-related losses.
Glickman said the MPAA was not anti-technology, as evinced by CinemaNow, Movieflix, Movielink and other legitimate, studio-sanctioned online movie services. Nor were the lawsuits timed to the studios' setbacks in the Grokster case, he said.
In that case, courts have ruled that there are substantial noninfringing uses to P2P technology, prompting the MPAA, RIAA and National Music Publishers' Assn. to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.
U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft recently vowed to prosecute large-scale and organized crime-based piracy operations, complementing the MPAA's decision to go after individuals.
"We would rather pull people into theaters than drag them into court," Glickman said. "At the same time, we will use every tool we have to limit theft and to limit piracy and the other problems technology can cause."
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Yeah, that's been in the news a lot recently. Quite why the MPAA want to clog up the courts like the RIAA i don't know.
COurthouses are gonna get pissed off with all these cases making a backlog for more important cases such as murders, robberies etc.
But then the MPAA and RIAA only think of themselves and their pockets.
Oh, this thread is also being discussed on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0347368/board/nest/12906096
Any more news on the DVD Sven?
Personally though, I doubt many people are worried about the MPAA's "threats", the only people they are gonna bust are kiddies sharing 10,000 odd mp3's on some lame P2P network. P2P networks such as kazaa, edonkey.etc are actually bad for the movie pirating scene, as they allow almost "one-click access" to pirated material, meaning pretty much any dumb-ass can download a film for free.
This puts the scene in the public spotlight alot more.
If they tried to sue someone like myself, I would politely tell them to fuck off, as although I have watched my fair share of pirated movies, the amount of money I spend each month on going to the cinema, and buying dvd's is absolutely crazy.
I think what they are doing is good however, as it will deter a lot of the people who are unsure how safe they are in cyberspace from downloading movies, resulting in less exposure of releases to people who are likely to be idiots. They are never going to stop people pirating movies, and they know that, but these threats and lawsuits are an effective way of contracting the loop around piracy and therefore finding an effective "balance", the point where piracy is still continuing, but the gay cgi blockbusters are back to making a profit again.
On a sidenote, I'm interested as to when L.A. Twister will be out on DVD as well, any clues?
Like I said in another thread... If they really want to curb piracy they should offer a no-quibble money back guarantee if you walk out of a movie before the last ten minutes
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Well after a few weeks of not having time to watch the film I finally got too last night.
What a great film, it’s truly original, great visual style, acting, casting, dircting.
I have a feeling it will be on my top ten list of the year in a couple months.
After the news this week that the MPAA will start sueing people who download movies on p2p networks, it's great to see someone with opinions like yours.
I do have a couple questions about the movie.
1) In the scene where Lenny is picking up Ethan at the airport why is Lenny holding a sign that says "ED" ?
2) In the scene where there's a fight with Mindy's husband once they've knock him out what is the music that's played? it's also played a little later in the movie.
3) Can you tell me anything about the cast? Where they fun to work with? Where they easy to cast?
Great movie! I’ll be waiting for your next one.
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1) In the scene where Lenny is picking up Ethan at the airport why is Lenny holding a sign that says "ED" ?
2) In the scene where there's a fight with Mindy's husband once they've knock him out what is the music that's played? it's also played a little later in the movie.
3) Can you tell me anything about the cast? Where they fun to work with? Where they easy to cast?
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Back to piracy. I have received quite some feedback from some of my colleagues regarding this endeavor. Here is a quote from a fellow industry person: "Regarding the pirate website, I cannot stress strongly enough the potential damage of supporting piracy. It's one thing to discuss your film as a director, but quite another to welcome piracy in either a public or private venue. I urge you in the strongest terms to remove your postings, or at least publicly reverse them. It is untenable to support theft of intellectual property. The damage could be significant."
To that I respond. If you have a pirate copy of my film L.A. TWISTER pass it around. I feel that there is more good that has come out of this for the film (=awareness), than bad. A lot of people in the industry feel that way without publicly admitting it. I recognize that other filmmakers might feel different about their films; I say here is an example of how it can be very beneficial.
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I just saw this movie and i would just like to say, holy crap. This is the best movie of all time,ever. This movie hands down blows every other 'blockbuster' out of the water. God bless you sven.
I have never seen this movie yet. But because of M$ now I will. The Bootleg Scene in my opinion is GREAT. Not Only Does it allow you to chose if you like the movie before wasting your money on it, it also allows you to watch movies in the comfort of your own house (I prefer my couches and my home theater over actually having to go out and sit in those uncomfortable chairs) that's my opinion personally. And Like Someone else mentioned, if it wasn't for the bootleg scene I would of never heard about this movie ever. A lot of times there are movies i hear about and I can't get my hands on them, but this scene makes it possible for me to view those movies. and for the records *Like everyone else that loves movies, I also buy ALL my favorite movies.
Sven what you've done is sweet man,
Much Respect.
Lye - fIve 1 Nina
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To that I respond. If you have a pirate copy of my film L.A. TWISTER pass it around. I feel that there is more good that has come out of this for the film (=awareness), than bad. A lot of people in the industry feel that way without publicly admitting it. I recognize that other filmmakers might feel different about their films; I say here is an example of how it can be very beneficial.
On that note, good times... back to writing.
Sven
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End of November we are going to start the telecini/video mastering of the film. At this point I'm not a hundred percent sure when the distributor is planning to release the DVD...
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Originally posted by Sven
I feel that there is more good that has come out of this for the film (=awareness), than bad. A lot of people in the industry feel that way without publicly admitting it. I recognize that other filmmakers might feel different about their films; I say here is an example of how it can be very beneficial.
On that note, good times... back to writing.
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Bit off topic. Its definitely wonderful to see a movie insider saying that seeing a movie is the most important aspect of viewership. Likewise, by his own admission, and contrary to the MPAA / RIAA.. traffic on his site has increased 3 fold on his website. Guess piracy is not all bad.
However sven, I hope you dont get blacklisted by those colleagues of yours. You got talent man, and itd be a shame for it to not be recognized. I would hope this would never happen, as it would show the true greed of the industry, but its all possible. You got all our support here man, I hope your movie makes it nationally. IE like Blair Witch. So far it hasnt, but that doesnt mean it wont. From the reception here, you take a hard stance, and Im sure everyone here would support you through thick or thin. Honesty spoken from the one making a movie, is better than that of some lame Holloywood Flop, blaming piracy for its bad debut. If piracy corrupts all, Why has pixar has successive blockbusters. All the movies they released do great. Maybe it isnt the so called pirates, but the lack of real inspired talent, likeyourself present to the industry... My 2 cents.
hey sven, maybe u shud give ur fans of the movie priority on the dvd... like a pre-release to the ppl on vcdq.... i wud buy it definetely.... or sign them and put them out lol... id say the extras will b cool on the dvd, i look forward to many more movies by u..... its good to see a director thats not obsessed with money
Yes! Lets all give Sven our addresses after admitting we've seen illegal pirate material!
What a GREAT idea!
*cough*
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Here is a quote from a fellow industry person: "Regarding the pirate website, I cannot stress strongly enough the potential damage of supporting piracy. It's one thing to discuss your film as a director, but quite another to welcome piracy in either a public or private venue. I urge you in the strongest terms to remove your postings, or at least publicly reverse them. It is untenable to support theft of intellectual property. The damage could be significant."
To that I respond. If you have a pirate copy of my film L.A. TWISTER pass it around. I feel that there is more good that has come out of this for the film (=awareness), than bad. A lot of people in the industry feel that way without publicly admitting it. I recognize that other filmmakers might feel different about their films; I say here is an example of how it can be very beneficial.
Sven [/B]
If you want to sven tell the morons who think piracy is bad for the industry to come over to my house and see the collection of dvd's i have. I have about 100 dvds that I bought myself with my own money because of vcdquality. I was never a big movie person untill i joined up on this site. Now I am a whore to the industry. I am sorry they can't make 200 million dollars off of surviving christmas but that is bad buisness on there part not ours
Perhaps Hollywood should also look at the wages they pay their 'staff'?
No more $20m paychecks or $9m entourage fee's and diva shit. Oh, and how about the execs taking a paycut?
Will any of this happen? Will it fuck.
But it's alright for them to target us, the people that put the wedge in their pockets in the first place.
Perhaps the industry should look at ITSELF first, before laying the blame on others. That is how it works in real life, but what we find true, Hollywood has a whole different view on it. It's how it's always been and always will be.
Me? I'll continue to download what the fuck i like, when the fuck i like. The key thing being, i BUY what i REALLY like.
I'm not giving some fat industry cunt my hard earned cash to blow on some piece of shit movie that by downloading the movie saved me money. Fuck you!
The only stance the industry takes that i DO agree on is targeting those that PROFIT from piracy. Especially the 'Alan' market salesmen you've all heard me moan about before.
Target sellers, not downloaders. Don't like it?
Suck my dick.
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Well.. thankfully I was finally able to watch this flick:
I'm not going to go all sappy and say this is the best movie I'v seen... because for my tastes it wasn't.
My tastes, however, cannot downside the quality of the film itself. The movie had so many great twist and turns it's forced me to watch it a 2nd time, which I'll admit is a very tough task to make a stubborn bitch like me sit through a film twice.
I think this movie proved that excellent film editing can lead to a brilliant film. I'm looking forward to my 2nd viewing to pick up the slack of the unknown which I'm certain I missed throughout the first shot, such as the 2 girls appearing several times.
Cheers from Canada,
Gandy
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wow reading this whole thread was simply awesome. Sven, Cheers to you.
I will not let your hard work go to waste. plan on a purchased DVD from me.
RESPECT, sums up my feelings
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Suck my dick.
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OK...suppose I am going to have to see this flik...will wait for DVD if it's as good as people are saying...
I think piracy can have it's benefits for the film indistry I didn;t have that much interest in films before I started downloading now a few years later I have a collection of over 600 ORIGINAL titles. I download it..if it's good I buy it on dvd simple as that. If you making good films you have nothing to fear from online piracy. Same as the music industry, I downloaded Ian brown's new album a week before release but it didn't stop me queing all night to buy it on the day of release......
Well to start off I wanted to say I haven't had a chance to see this film.....but I definetly want to, and I WILL buy the DVD, i love to support Indie films, as of late these are some of the best flicks I have seen.
As far as Piracy, Im all for it! If Hollywood could prove itself and stop making all these bullshit movies, then I would revert back to my old self, when i used to go see 2-3 movies a day on my days off, I didn't mind spending the money, then seemed movies had more substance. Plus the fact that the cost was around 3.75 for a matinee and 5.25 for evening show, so if the movies complete BLEW, it was that big a dent in your walllet. Now we have ticket prices around $9 each!!!! I mean that last timeI went the cinema, with my wife and son, it had spent $40 before we even sat down, and to top it off I thought the movie was SHIT!!!
So YES i will continue to download movies, if its a great movie, it will join my other 300+ purchased DVD's i have now. I will support a GREAT film, but i will NOT support the MPAA and Hollywood, they can kiss my ass, if your gonna raise the price of tickets you BETTER raise the quality of your films.....turn off the freakin computers for a little while and get back to making movies the right way!!
and Sven lookin forward to getting a hold of this flick, and keep it up dont let Hollywood convert you, and you will be supported 100% by true movie fans
Look for my purchase of your movie
hi all,
Its superb to see Sven Pape on here and i would like to thank him for taking the time to post on this forum.
I saw LA Twister the other week although it was a pirate copy and the quality wasnt that great but it was watchable. It is definetely one of the best films this year so far i have seen.
Fantastic Job!
I believe piracy can help smaller films become mainstream and LA Twister is a great example. I live in the UK and i will probably never see it here at the cinema, and now having watched a copy, i will be defintely purchasing the dvd from the states or the UK whenever it hits the shops here.
Marc
Sven Pape, movie looks good. I have not had the chance yet to watch it.
My two cents about piracy.When it comes to film, would you not be amazed if alot of people saw your movie? Like sure money is tight on your early pictures, but if one of my early movies got pirated and then blasted over the internet. I'd go insane that so many people want to see it and have seen it.
And I would only hope they got the final copy not any workprint, and the pic and audio is good.
Quick question for Sven.
Any tips for getting into the movie industry?
Just wanted to hear it from someone with experience in the industry. I just want to get all the tips i can, so hopefully one day my films can be pirated :P
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on being blacklisted, on getting in the movie industry
Thanks for keeping those posts coming. I do appreciate your concerns about me going out on a limp, but I don't think there is much reason for concern. The only blacklist that exists in Hollywood is the one of filmmakers that don't make money.
It's very simple, by me allowing you to pirate my movie, there is nothing illegal about it anymore. As independent I own my movie and if I chose to allow the world to pirate my movie, I can do so. If studios or other filmmakers feel differently about their films, so be it. A few thousand people more that know about L.A. TWISTER won't hurt me nor my investors (they are smart enough to support this effort, because they realize that awareness is the key to marketing).
Mystic, you wanted Jennifer's phone number, sorry no can do... If you like, I'll be happy to forward an email to her. (you can contact me through our website (Go to "Press", then click "Contact", this way you don't have to reveal your address).
EViL, tips on getting in the movie industry: I think you have to be open to those opportunities that come your way and than stick with the projects that you do take on. I studied producing at AFI because I didn't get into the directing program. A lot of the producer were like me (wanna-be directors, a lot of them dropped out). After film school I bought a Final Cut Pro system (this is when Apple just came out with it). Suddenly I was the guy that could edit stuff cheaply on the fly. Editing I really learned a lot about storytelling. A few month down the road I was helping a friend do his first feature. He asked me if I wanted to produce, but I wasn't interested. However I liked his idea of doing a live webcast from his set which is just another form of storytelling. I used Final Cut Pro for editing the trailers and little stories that were part of the show. So we did the first-ever live webcast from a movie set. Suddenly I get a call and I become the web cast guy for James Cameron's return expedition to the Titanic. Cameron's younger brother David is a computer gamer/internet surfer and he saw the stuff we did online. So I was webcasting from the North Atlantic as James Cameron is doing dive missions to the Titanic. (That’s not really a job you can apply for or take a study course). After the expedition I helped digitizing footage for Cameron’s Imax film GHOSTS OF THE ABYSS (I was doing the night shift and worked on his AVID (editing system) in Malibu). I would use the time to learn the system. Using the footage I digitized I would cut a little opening sequence for what I thought Cameron’s film could be like (without him knowing it). One day Jim saw it and said: "That's kind of OK. You're hired. Now change it this way." So I became one of the film editors.
I never planned to be an editor; I never planned to work for Cameron. I never planned to study producing in film school. What I planned was to become a filmmaker. Opportunities came and I kind of went with what seemed to be an interesting personal challenge at the time knowing that ultimately it has to somehow lead to making a film by myself. I’m still far away from feeling all that comfortable calling myself a filmmaker but with every project I hope to get a little bit closer.
Oh, one other thing. I really think it isn't about who you know, it's about how you do it (and almost more importantly that you stick with it).
OK, enough said. Good times,
Sven
I'm sure this has been said plenty of times, but I figured i'd say it again...It's nice to see someone who is more interested in making a good film then a buttload of money(though i'm sure both would be nice).
Hopefully you will get your "big break" soon, because I feel like you deserve it. That and when I have kids i want to see a commercial for a movie directed by you, and be all like "Yeah kids I posted in a message on vcdquality.com that Sven Pape posted in." I bet my kids will really think i am badass then.
So good luck with all your future work.Btw this is all coming from someone who hasn't seen the movie yet, but plans to.
well sven, i showed ur movie to a large group of people the other night (25 or more) and they all loved it.... u are one of the best directors around atm... cheers for this great flick i have a feeling most of the ppl there will b buying dvds... this has won u a lot of fans and im sure theyll all keep watching ur movies... i know i will
Interesting mini-bio about yourself Sven. Pretty sweet.
I didnt realize you did Ghost of the Abyss Sven. That was ONE facsinating documentary on the Titanic. It was awesome to see those rovers go into the ship and take pictures, that a diver could not. One part that was bad, was when that one rover got stuck, and they gut the line, and then got another one to retrive it and battery died... Hella technical problems... But movie was great... =).
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I didnt realize you did Ghost of the Abyss Sven. That was ONE facsinating documentary on the Titanic. It was awesome to see those rovers go into the ship and take pictures, that a diver could not. One part that was bad, was when that one rover got stuck, and they gut the line, and then got another one to retrive it and battery died... Hella technical problems... But movie was great... =).
I haven't seen LA Twister yet, but here is a case in point for your idea that piracy is good. Not that anyone here needed to be informed...
http://wired.com/news/culture/0,128...tw=wn_tophead_1
this thread is dying.... what wud u reccomend for sum1 interested in getting into a carrer in film editing?
It's not dying at all. Just because it's a pretty exclusive thread in VCDQ's forums, doesn't mean it has to run on forever.
Now back on to the subject at hand.
Let's have some more discussion about this excellent movie. Come on, the majority of you that have posted here claiming you will watch it soon must have seen it by now.
So let's have some reaction and discussion!
Watched this movie a while back and forgot to post about it.
Not the greatest movie but I think thats just because its not my style, I can still see that this movie was brilliantly edited and acted out, with a great (yet sort of confusing at times) story.
Sven I think its awesome that a director is getting as involved with fans of his movie as you are, esepecially by putting this thread onto the dvd. I think what would be cool is an interview with you describing the whole events such as how you found mystic's review, and this thread..i dunno something about seeing you talk about it would make it really cool,
anyway i will most likely be buying this dvd out of support for you Sven and of course to see the oh so interesting extras
on Wilco...
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I haven't seen LA Twister yet, but here is a case in point for your idea that piracy is good. Not that anyone here needed to be informed...
That's an awesome idea. I have a couple of suggestions for charities you could donate to.
NSPCC, Amnesty International, Oxfam. All worthy charities and more on a global scale rather than concentrated to one country.
I'll be buying the DVD though, i want the real deal on my shelf.
Sven, as a side note, have you had any further developments regarding this forum thread with your peers? Hope your not being treated as the black sheep.
How about the, buy Duke a new car cause his job sucks and he has no money charity…
Or if you prefer to help people you could check out charity navigator. They have a Database of over 3,200 Charitys. And rate charitys on things such as, Efficiency, Expenses, Organizational capacity and income status.
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I've kept my mouth shut so far, because I was at work when this whole thing broke out, and a lot of posts were already here stating pretty much the usual thing. Plus I've written so many of these long piracy based posts, I wanted to contribute something a bit more this time
Piracy is such an odd subject, because its not simply a case of "its right" or "its wrong". People will lose money because of it... but thats the key.. money. It seems that the majority of large film houses have forgotten the "art" and seem to concentrate on making as much money as possible, even tho the industry is booming at the moment. And why shouldn't the industry be booming, lots of cheap sequels, remakes and badly written "teen comedies" that I'm shocked were even considered by a normal human being to be made. But people go to see them, people buy the DVDs, and they make a lot of money.. basically exploiting the masses stupidity. You can sell the same film to a lot of people over and over again in different guises, and they'll keep lapping it up.
When it come's to independent, obviously the money matters as it really can affect whether the next film will be made or not. But at the same time, you're only going to have limited marketing ability for a new, clever and original film compared to the WB will have for Police Academy 8. Its without doubt that more paying customers will go to, and even have the ability to see, a new Police Academy movie, compared to an independent that isn't backed or hyped by a larger studio. So in this aspect, piracy is good. If everyone out there took the "risk" of downloading a movie they don't necessary know much about, or recognise the actos/actresses, they might find they enjoy the films more. And if everyone does this... the studio will realise this. More theaters bring in more indies, and more people go to them due to previous experiences. Maybe then we can finally have a Hollywood that is capable of putting out more than about 5 good fims a year, and spending the rest of its budgets backing films that are guaranteed success. Miramax is probably the worst of the bunch, for buying the rights to foreign movies just to make sure they're not released. Whatever happened to the US release of Battle Royale? Oh yeah, its still in their vaults as they'd rather remake it than introduce the country to another kind of cinema. If it wasn't for piracy, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have seen that film in the west, and now there's a lot of hype surrounding HK, Korean and Japanese cinema again. Fingers crossed the same can happen for home grown talent. One of our (Mystic and myself) favorite movies of recent years was Interstate 60. Watching the extras shows you how hard a film it was to make due to the studios not wanting to buy films without obvious selling points.. the fact it was Bob Gale's project (creator of the Back to the Future series) meant nothing to them. I60 is without doubt one of the best storytelling films of recent years, and the fact it was close to not being made is... disgusting. At least on here, we have a decent community generally, and as we discuss movies that are freely available, a lot of people are opening their minds... this can only be a good thing surely. I don't think the majority of people downloading indie flicks are the kind that think "hey, i was going to buy this.. but now its free!", but the sort that are willing to take a chance. Personally, I don't think if i went down my local market, to see the scumbags selling pirated wares.. I don't think a film like LA Twister would be on their desks, regardless of the quality of filmmaking. Like the rest of the masses, they're more comfortable with selling commercialised crap, and in all honesty the only reason I dislike these people is because of the ethics involved, and the fact it puts people like us in a bad light. I couldn't give a damn if half of Hollywood closes overnight due to piracy, if it did it'd be because of their inability to create decent films, and it's their own doing. Independent cinema will always live on, as long as people have the ability to write and pick up a camera.. and create.
Amazingly, I think a thread like this will actually help spur the success of the movie. In the UK, if you're not online and you don't read industry publications, there's very little doubt that you won't have heard of a movie called LA Twister, but I think every active member of our community has.. and I think a large percentage of them have it now because of this! People see the fact the director has taken the time out to talk here, and rather than criticise and shout his mouth off about how our actions are killing him, seems pleased that people are talking about and enjoying his movie. It really does make a difference, and again.. hopefully this will spur sales of the DVD, and make the major labels take note. I'm sure if a new wave of independent filmmakers does manage to take Hollwood by storm, they'll manage to screw it up in their own special way.. but thats life
Incidentally, you're not actually the first film maker on our forum whose had their work put out on the net. Jane White is Sick and Twisted was distributed for free, and the director took note, so that might be of interest to you. Alas, I was never able to secure a copy myself, and I've never seen it advertised or mentioned on our shores. Which is a shame, as it sounds like an interesting movie i'd probably really enjoy. Personally, I have a PD150 sitting next to me thats aching to be used creatively, it's just a case of time, money and talent Maybe in the future I'll be able to comment on one of my own films being passed around the net (even if I'm the one to put it out there myself )
edit: oh yeah, forgot to mention good ol' Uwe Boll he should have his status changed from Filmmaker, to Marketing Genius.
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I hadnt heard of this movie until I read this thread.
It is good to see that some poeple (Sven) do understand that the whole movie scene can indeed benefit the film's success. from perusing his posts, I feel that he is not a money hungry hollywood dick, but he actually just wants his movie to be seen, well Sven, I will watch your movie, if is anythinj like MS says, I'm sure I will enjoy it, You better belive that I will be purchasing the dvd. I dont know if the dvd is already in production, but I heard you state that you were going to mirror this thread onto the special features, would also be nice if you could add a summarized list or "greetings to" of all the posters on this thread.
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Sven, as a side note, have you had any further developments regarding this forum thread with your peers? Hope your not being treated as the black sheep.
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would also be nice if you could add a summarized list or "greetings to" of all the posters on this thread [in the DVD].
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what wud u reccomend for sum1 interested in getting into a carrer in film editing?
final cut pro? grrr! there's enough mac lovers on here already
(me whistles.. vegas, premiere pro, avid to those who don't want to join "the dark side" )
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wow, kinda shocked when i see the director of the movie, posting here. Its really cool, but...
To tell you the truth,
I've never seen this movie.
I've never heard of this movie.
But after this seeing this thread, and the director's ideas. I'll be picking up the DVD, no bullshit.
I wish more of the "hollywood" guys were more like this. Wish i had more to say, but maybe I'll comment more on this after I see the dvd.
About Piracy;
I dont support or condone selling what you download in any way. Thats the real stealing, in my honest opinion--'Not buying the movie you probally like/love, and then selling it to other people who probaly will not see the good movie in the theaters or buy the dvd.' (hope that made sense)
I do support 'try before you buy'.
Why should I pay the little money I have to see a movie that might end up being terrible and a waste of time? And hey, if you honestly made a good movie or game, I dont see why I shouldnt buy and support(as in tell other people about a great movie/game) your stuff. Pretty much that simple to me.
Kinda like that movie equilibrium. Not many people heard about it, it didnt do too well at the box office. Honestly I downloaded it. I ended up loving the flick, told some friends about it, and we ended up going to see it at the theatres together. And a few months later when the dvd came out, I loved watching it so much I picked up a copy.
Thats pretty much all I gotta say.
Dont really care if I end up on the dvd, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
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i read these forums from time to time and this is by far the best thread ive read... it was so good, it inspired me to post! i haven't seen the movie, but after watching the web stream for 6 hours straight, i will certainly be buying the dvd!
and on that note, back to the stream!
.//chris
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Well i finally got the time to check this movie out.
And must say this one is for sure in my
top 3 of this years movies (the year isn't over yet u know)
Watched it with a buddy of mine just now and we had great fun watching it.
I'll be buying the dvd for sure if when it gets released in the Netherlands
Well I watched it, and I loved it, the whole part about what he does because he lost his wife (dont want to spoil for amnyone who hadn't seen it yet) well it really hit home with me, you got it down to the T Sven, I say this because I in the past felt the same way about someone, and was seriously thinking about doing the same thing. Luckily we repaired the relationship. but back to the movie, I loved it. great storyline, I look forward to seeing more of your work.
oh, and i should add that normally I would hate a storyline like this, but this one is going into my favorites collection.
I Would like to say respect to sven on his opinions, shame most dont think like that.
I think people should be able to try b4 they buy? E.G if u go 2 buy a second hand car u dont just go yeah i will take it, with out a test run do u?
I think films/music should be the same. and if u like it and respect the artist/director then you support them by buying the film/music.
As for this form i bet this has given the film more free advertizing than any other film out there.
I have just heard about it and if it as good as everyone say's i guess i better watch it. (Not on for download anymore tho)
Sven, you the man, you really are! Heh, just wanted to say that. Don't really have anything to say about piracy, that has not been said already. But i'll say this, if it had not been for this thread i would have never heard about this movie.
Hopefully i will like the movie. And if i do, i will buy the DVD for sure. Hell, i'll prolly buy it anyways.
I will edit after i've seen the movie...
::edit:: I finally had time to watch it..
I liked the movie a lot. It wasn't laugh out loud funny, but it made me smile a lot. And the acting was great. I really cared about the characters. I even got a tear in my eye during the hanging scene, heh. It gets an 8- from me. It's not the best movie i've ever seen, but it's certainly better then most other movies released this year. I will defenitly recommend it to my friends.
New York Times Review/Video Mastering for DVD
Here is some food for discussion. Ran this morning in the New York Times:
December 10, 2004
MOVIE REVIEW | 'L.A. TWISTER'
Movie-Within-a-Movie, Mixed In With the Movie
By STEPHEN HOLDEN
The barely watchable buddy comedy "L.A. Twister" is so sloppily put together it bungles its recycled movie-within-a-movie conceit. Its fatuous pals, Lenny (Zack Ward), an unemployed actor who moonlights as a limo driver, and his best friend, Ethan (Tony Daly), a plumber left suicidally mopey after his wife deserts him, decide that the only way to break into films is by producing their own.
The product they create thanks to a last-minute windfall is the same B-movie comedy we're watching of their Hollywood misadventures. Excerpts from that product, "Lenny and Ethan in L.A.," starring themselves (naturally), are crudely woven into the "real" story. It isn't easy to tell the "real" from the fictional, which is one of the comedy's unproductive jokes.
Both versions rely on stale, sexist sitcom clichés: the monstrously obese, female casting agent who manipulates young actors into sexual service by promising them juicy roles; the pretty starlet married to a rich, monstrous financier; the Christian cuties who live next door and play strip Scrabble; the thuggish entrepreneur who boasts, "I know people who know people who know people" and who later reneges on his financial promises; the actress whose screams of "Yes, yes, yes!" while winning at backgammon must be the umpteen-thousandth rip-off of Meg Ryan's yelps in "When Harry Met Sally."
Even after he softens in the arms of Mindy (Jennifer Aspen), a classically trained actress married to a karate instructor, Mr. Ward's Lenny is an intensely disagreeable character: a stupid, selfish jive-talking ferret. Mr. Daly's dead-eyed Ethan suggests Keanu Reeves on Thorazine.
"L.A. Twister" is the first feature film directed by Sven Pape. Its aim is inches above the gutter.
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On another note, we finished the Video Master for the DVD today. I am very happy with the way it came out. We could only afford a 10-hour session, but I think we made it look great. Kudos to color timer Kevin O-Connor. Shortly I'll be able to put it online.
good times,
Sven
www.snowdogfilms.com
The New York Times smells. Hang the journo!
I think everyone's comments hear speak more than that lame review.
Sven, any news on when the DVD will be available to buy? As much as i'd like to get a copy from the website, i'd rather have the real deal on my shelf!
Oh, on another note, what have you got lined up next to direct? I understand if you can't comment on it for contractual reasons no probs.
The truth is.. the movie isn't for the Unintelligent and if a critic can't see the difference between the two stories within the movie, he's on the lower end of the stick.
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Awesome
Awesome film.. not posted here before but thought i should comment on this one.. Outstanding!
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Originally posted by pHo
I've kept my mouth shut so far, because I was at work when this whole thing broke out, and a lot of posts were already here stating pretty much the usual thing. Plus I've written so many of these long piracy based posts, I wanted to contribute something a bit more this time
Piracy is such an odd subject, because its not simply a case of "its right" or "its wrong". People will lose money because of it... but thats the key.. money. It seems that the majority of large film houses have forgotten the "art" and seem to concentrate on making as much money as possible, even tho the industry is booming at the moment. And why shouldn't the industry be booming, lots of cheap sequels, remakes and badly written "teen comedies" that I'm shocked were even considered by a normal human being to be made. But people go to see them, people buy the DVDs, and they make a lot of money.. basically exploiting the masses stupidity. You can sell the same film to a lot of people over and over again in different guises, and they'll keep lapping it up.
When it come's to independent, obviously the money matters as it really can affect whether the next film will be made or not. But at the same time, you're only going to have limited marketing ability for a new, clever and original film compared to the WB will have for Police Academy 8. Its without doubt that more paying customers will go to, and even have the ability to see, a new Police Academy movie, compared to an independent that isn't backed or hyped by a larger studio. So in this aspect, piracy is good. If everyone out there took the "risk" of downloading a movie they don't necessary know much about, or recognise the actos/actresses, they might find they enjoy the films more. And if everyone does this... the studio will realise this. More theaters bring in more indies, and more people go to them due to previous experiences. Maybe then we can finally have a Hollywood that is capable of putting out more than about 5 good fims a year, and spending the rest of its budgets backing films that are guaranteed success. Miramax is probably the worst of the bunch, for buying the rights to foreign movies just to make sure they're not released. Whatever happened to the US release of Battle Royale? Oh yeah, its still in their vaults as they'd rather remake it than introduce the country to another kind of cinema. If it wasn't for piracy, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have seen that film in the west, and now there's a lot of hype surrounding HK, Korean and Japanese cinema again. Fingers crossed the same can happen for home grown talent. One of our (Mystic and myself) favorite movies of recent years was Interstate 60. Watching the extras shows you how hard a film it was to make due to the studios not wanting to buy films without obvious selling points.. the fact it was Bob Gale's project (creator of the Back to the Future series) meant nothing to them. I60 is without doubt one of the best storytelling films of recent years, and the fact it was close to not being made is... disgusting. At least on here, we have a decent community generally, and as we discuss movies that are freely available, a lot of people are opening their minds... this can only be a good thing surely. I don't think the majority of people downloading indie flicks are the kind that think "hey, i was going to buy this.. but now its free!", but the sort that are willing to take a chance. Personally, I don't think if i went down my local market, to see the scumbags selling pirated wares.. I don't think a film like LA Twister would be on their desks, regardless of the quality of filmmaking. Like the rest of the masses, they're more comfortable with selling commercialised crap, and in all honesty the only reason I dislike these people is because of the ethics involved, and the fact it puts people like us in a bad light. I couldn't give a damn if half of Hollywood closes overnight due to piracy, if it did it'd be because of their inability to create decent films, and it's their own doing. Independent cinema will always live on, as long as people have the ability to write and pick up a camera.. and create.
Amazingly, I think a thread like this will actually help spur the success of the movie. In the UK, if you're not online and you don't read industry publications, there's very little doubt that you won't have heard of a movie called LA Twister, but I think every active member of our community has.. and I think a large percentage of them have it now because of this! People see the fact the director has taken the time out to talk here, and rather than criticise and shout his mouth off about how our actions are killing him, seems pleased that people are talking about and enjoying his movie. It really does make a difference, and again.. hopefully this will spur sales of the DVD, and make the major labels take note. I'm sure if a new wave of independent filmmakers does manage to take Hollwood by storm, they'll manage to screw it up in their own special way.. but thats life
Incidentally, you're not actually the first film maker on our forum whose had their work put out on the net. Jane White is Sick and Twisted was distributed for free, and the director took note, so that might be of interest to you. Alas, I was never able to secure a copy myself, and I've never seen it advertised or mentioned on our shores. Which is a shame, as it sounds like an interesting movie i'd probably really enjoy. Personally, I have a PD150 sitting next to me thats aching to be used creatively, it's just a case of time, money and talent
edit: oh yeah, forgot to mention good ol' Uwe Boll
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Sven, any news on when the DVD will be available to buy? As much as i'd like to get a copy from the website, i'd rather have the real deal on my shelf!
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Mystic how about you introduce this thread on the DVD (either on video, or voice recording or written)?
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Originally posted by Sven
Mystic how about you introduce this thread on the DVD (either on video, or voice recording or written)?
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Mystic how about you introduce this thread on the DVD (either on video, or voice recording or written)
Yeah they were right, very good movie one of the best this year. Right up there with Garden State amoung my favs of the year. Cheers to sven....one dvd sale here.
Very good movie..and on the topic of that New York Times review...big paper's don't care about small time movies. Zero Day is also one of a few that was way overlooked along with this one.
Hey Sven,
when will it released in germany ? Hope to see it here, my english isnt very well so i dont understand all the dialogues! But i must admit, that this movie is the best for 2004, last time no ambitious movies were released. A little note to piracy, without the internet i would have never been the chance to see that GREAT movie ! Hope you answer me and i have to apologize me for my bad english ! Du sprichst ja auch deutsch aber das wäre unpassend in diesem Forum
regards Erik-K.
Hi Sven, is there a date as too when the movie will hit your website as i haven't seen it yet and i'm almost going crazy cause i just can't find it
Aside from release date discussion, I'd like to add that L.A. Twister is still a limited showing in a few places around the States. If you live in any of the areas where it will be shown, I suggest going.
January: Davis, CA
February: Portland, OR - Foxtower
February: Pittsburg, PA - Harris
Hartford, CT - Real Art Ways
One of the corner-stone events of my year was traveling to The Orpheum and seeing L.A. Twister on the big screen.
Happy New Year!!
Hey All,
I wish all of you a great 2005!!!
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Hi Sven, is there a date as too when the movie will hit your website as i haven't seen it yet and i'm almost going crazy cause i just can't find it
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I'd like to add that L.A. Twister is still a limited showing in a few places around the States.
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Not sure how good of an idea video would be, but audio would be cool. Oh! With a cameo by dc_man of course.
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when will it released in germany ?
Hey Sven,
Rather than email you or pm you the introduction, i've posted it here for you. See below:
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L.A. Twister, Piracy and Sticking It To The Man by Mystic Slippers (Some schmuck from vcdquality.com).
Rather than make this like some autobiographical textual auto-fellatio, i'll just get to the point.
L.A. Twister is a truly groundbreaking movie.
For those that think it is not, look between the lines. L.A. Twister is a fantastic piece of moviemaking. Period. But that is not the issue at hand here. L.A. Twister is a groundbreaking movie in the sense it is solely responsible for bringing the glitz of Hollywood's trumped up fat studio execs closer to the dark cavernous underworld that is The Internet (or rather, the movie piracy scene).
Having championed independent cinema for many years, I look forward to the latest indie releases to see what the real moviemakers are putting out. Not what the next major studio with oodles of cash is throwing it's money towards. Whilst scouring my favourite places for the latest movie releases, I stumbled across an interesting little movie named L.A. Twister. Having casually checked out the trailer, I was left startled at how utterly excellent this movie proposed itself to be through the duration of the trailer. Thus, my anticipation to see this movie was building up hence forth.
Now, as someone who loves movies, I visit both my local theatre and download the latest releases to my computer. I believe in the old adage that if you like something that much, you'll pay for it. Be it a music CD, a movie or a pair of designer jeans. Whatever. In the case of L.A. Twister, the movie was distributed on such a small scale that I stood next to no chance of getting to see this movie. That is until a workprint copy appeared on the Internet.
Having seen the movie now and immensely enjoyed it, I wrote a review on the movie at a forum i regularly contribute to at www.vcdquality.com. Imagine my surprise when a forum member informed us that the director had seen the review and posted it on the official L.A. Twister website! Hark! An actual director had not only noticed the review, but had equally embraced the fact a pirate copy of his work had appeared online by posting on our forums!
It is this kind of enthusiasm for what good can come of piracy that has genuinely impressed me with Sven Pape, director of L.A. Twister. Not only has it impressed me, but it has proven what good has come from this by the barrage of enthusiastic responses from fellow 'downloaders' that have spawned from the initial review on the forum.
It leaves me thinking where all this could lead to in the future. As a community, i think i speak for a whole in saying we are all duly impressed with the reaction Mr. Pape has given to his work being illegaly distributed online, but also the enthusiasm with which he has approached it and his new found army of fans. I believe it proves wholeheartedly that some good can arise from movie piracy. It's just a shame that the MPAA and other bodies don't see it this way and treat what are basically the movie world's best customers as cretinous oiks out to destroy them.
In the wake of recent issues in today's modern world, I believe these 'people' (for want of a better word) would be better off spending the money they currently waste on fruitless court cases and ignorant ad campaigns on better projects. Consider investing more in independent filmaking. Failing that, try paying so called 'stars' a more reasonable amount of money rather than the ludicrous sums today's A-List currently demand.
In closing i would like to take this opportunity to thank all the groups past and present across all areas of 'the scene' for risking so much to bring us 'freeloaders' the wonderful product they do. For if it wasn't for you we would all be brainwashed by the money monster that is the corporate machine.
Enjoy the movie. Impeach George W. Bush. Free Tibet.
Mystic Slippers for www.vcdquality.com.
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He should introduce on video, so that the heart of our dearly departed VCDKrew can finally be contented.
lol
Hey sven, I got an idea. I know its in the news with a lot of hoopla, but how bout one of the various charties for the tsunami victims. I am sure these poor, innocent, poeple, are in desperate need of aid. So far, the world has come to their rescue, but more needs to be done. Not to bring politics here, but some unmentioned person we unfortunately voted in, donated a mere 35 million ( 1 day of war in iraq), whereas the world is stepping to the forefront. Maybe having the funds go here, to those people that are mostly forgotten might be a kind hearted thing. Even make mention on your dvd, not to exploit, but to promote for their cause. Proceeds from the sale go to help the vicitims of the tsunami. Those areas are so impoverished, I am sure they will be rebuilding their infrastructure for a few years. Anyhow, its a thought.
On another note, dont be discouraged. One man's opinion, is another man's delight. Just cause the stooge didnt like it, seems you got an overwhelming support team going here. Best of luck. Hope to see you helping in more films. Know if Jamesa Cameron plans any future projects, and do you plan to help? Ghost of the Abyss was excellent movie too. I think you are well deserved in your respects, and hope you get on major projects, as well as have your own, in the near future. Sure if you are allowed to say, people at vcdquality would love to hear.
Hi Sven,
no Braunschweig is to far ! Im close to the Ruhrpott
Watched the movie and i have to say it rocked!!!
It's done!!!
Hey there,
I felt bad about posting until we got the movie online. And as of this night this is the case. Sorry that it took so long. But we did it...
go to
http://www.latwistermovie.com/dev/backdoor.htm
and you are one step away from seeing the film. I'll leave it up to you guys to post the secret word. If you already know a little bit about the film, you'll know the answer anyway;-)
BTW the film will come to theaters in Davis/Sacramento, CA on Feb. 12 and we are very close to having dates for Cleveland, Portland and Hartford.
good times,
Sven
www.latwistermovie.com
i think someone posting the secret word would just help those too lazy to find it themselves. if i see anyone posting it, i'll remove it
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quote:Dammit, now I need to re-download the movie (I deleted it 'cos I intend on buying the bugger), just to find the answer to the question... See pHo, it's your fault I keep breaking the law! Although, I don't think I am breaking the law with this one am I? Oh, wait... No, you're making me download legal movies INSTEAD of breaking the law, you shit!
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i think someone posting the secret word would just help those too lazy to find it themselves. if i see anyone posting it, i'll remove it
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you don't have to download it again, there is always another way ;-)
cheers, Sven
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Also the Workprint is actually better quality than this asf stream
Nice Flick ' ll buy the DVD
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Bump cos this thread went a bit quiet, when it shouldn't have!
Any news on the DVD ?
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Yeah, i wanna buy the DVD! Any details Sven?
yes, I noticed, that the discussion in this thread is slowing down, but I'll be here if you got questions...
DVD: no definitive release date yet. The film is currently at the mercy of the higher powers (between our rep and the distributor we are trying to figure out what is best for the film).
I'm working on the scene edition and am currently editing the special features.
Meanwhile I'm spending my nights writing and rewriting, hoping that I can get my next script in shape for preproduction. I'm a huge Hitchcock fan and I think that this upcoming project is really what I'm all about.
good times,
Sven
Piracy...
Sure it must hurt the indursty a little, but they make enough money as it is, soo... im going to keep on pirating
quote:im from australia and as yet have been unable to view this movie........but in just a short time i will be watching what every person has been discussing in this wonderful world .thus the web........as for mpaa...catchme if you can..
Originally posted by Quietmovement
I have never seen this movie yet. But because of M$ now I will. The Bootleg Scene in my opinion is GREAT. Not Only Does it allow you to chose if you like the movie before wasting your money on it, it also allows you to watch movies in the comfort of your own house (I prefer my couches and my home theater over actually having to go out and sit in those uncomfortable chairs) that's my opinion personally. And Like Someone else mentioned, if it wasn't for the bootleg scene I would of never heard about this movie ever. A lot of times there are movies i hear about and I can't get my hands on them, but this scene makes it possible for me to view those movies. and for the records *Like everyone else that loves movies, I also buy ALL my favorite movies.
Sven what you've done is sweet man,
Much Respect.
Lye - fIve 1 Nina
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...as for mpaa...catchme if you can..
whats the secret word? please
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quickie
hey guys,
i'm currently shooting a horror film with Zack and Dominic Keating, check out www.hollywoodkills.com for updates.
distributor is currently holding a lock on the L.A. Twister DVD, hope to have news soon.
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hey guys,
i'm currently shooting a horror film with Zack and Dominic Keating, check out www.hollywoodkills.com for updates.
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distributor is currently holding a lock on the L.A. Twister DVD, hope to have news soon.
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not to be the guy that waited until a thread was dead and buried, but im still not seeing a dvd release, and would like to know more. i dont know how i completely missed this thread, or if i didnt, what substances prevented my recollection of it, but now im exteremly interested in the film and would like to get a copy...
plus, having an official dvd with the likes of mystic slippers would put some needed class into my dvd collection. my dolph lundgren autographed copy of the punisher would be put to shame by it.
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Thats alot of words for someone that sells DVDs out of the back of a truck
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Read zoidys comment for clarification.
So glad i kept the Workprint. I'm gutted, i see no DVD of this at all.
I wonder if Sven will return to these forums and let us know?
Might be worth dropping an email to Snowdog and see if we can get some sort of response.
Either way, i hope things get sorted. LA Twister is a wonderful movie and one that deserves to be seen by the masses.
The DVD that never came...
Hey guys,
I'm glad to see that there are still people interested in the film. Thank you so much.
I wish I could give you some good news in regards to a definitive release date, but unfortunately the film is stuck in distribution hell...
In the meantime a little taste of what I have been up to in the past year...
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...d=651247535&n=2
It's sad to hear that about LA Twister, but hopefully you can get more exposure with HK. Thanks for the update.
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try thinking of ATI as Christina Aguilera and Nvidia as Christina Aguilera in the "Dirty" video
I finally got round to watching L.A Twister. Not what I was expecting at all, got to say job well done. It was no Matrix but I would definitley put it in the same category as say Swingers.
Its a crying shame that there are problems with the distribution of this movie, does it have anything to do with the fact that you made it freely available on the net? I think its awesome that you did that, many many more people, who wouldnt have otherwise seen it, now know about your work.
I will be honest and say I probably won't buy it when it is available, not because I didn't like it, not because I have already seen it and not because I am a dirty pirate just because I am more of an Action and Sci fi movie freak. Had I not downloaded it, I would never have seen it, now that I have I will definitley be keeping an eye out for Hollywood Kills, if its on at my local cinema I will go and pay to see that.
Do you know if it will get a U.K release?
I like the look of Hollywood Kills... My only request (not that I expect it to make any difference) is that no compromises are made with the gore - don't wuss out for the censors, people like gore Seriously Sven, try and make people throw-up in the isles!!
If it comes out in the UK, I'll watch it in the cinema even though I hate the fucking place. If on the other hand, it doesn't come out over here - I'll happily steal a copy and plug it via this site
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I agree with Neversoft. Do NOT compromise on shock/schlock.
It's what Hollywood movies of recent years seem to lack. Eli Roth was halfway there with Hostel but I feel it was a let down and a bit of a wimp out.
I can probably count on one hand the directors of today that have put out movies that really push it. Not one of those is from the US. It's all about Asia. The current cream of extreme.
It would be fantastic if Hollywood put out movies with the originality and creativity of those European horror flicks we all know and love from the 1970's and early 80's.
I wish you all the best with Hollywood Kills, it looks great and I look forward to seeing it in the theatre. Failing that I hope to be able to bag a copy somehow. Sorry to put it that way, but I hope i do get to see the movie legitmately.
As for LA Twister, is there anything we can do? Anyone we can write to to get this movie released?
Glad to see you posting again here Sven and all the best with your career.
glad to be posting again here.
I know I have been promising for a long time to do a scene edition of L.A. Twister and it is on my mind. One of these days I will make that happen and I want to do a good job with the special features.
I regards to shock value in HK, I'll let you be the judge. Just this much, I was somewhat inspired by the old Dario Argento films (e.g. Terror at the Opera), their Hitchcock-style horror and non-PC-ness is intriguing to me.
cheers, Sven
Love the avatar sven!
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Love the avatar sven!
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I think if you bothered reading his post you would notice it's the title of his next movie, muppet.
Shush! You pair of dongs
Hollywood Kills looks good, but all trailers do.
Reminds me of the Unrated Hostel, which was gruesome as fuck.
Anyway, looking forward to HK.
I just noticed the lead in Hollywood Kills is none other than Dominic Keating!
This bloke was in 80's Channel 4 sitcom Desmond's!
QUALITY!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Sven
glad to be posting again here.
I know I have been promising for a long time to do a scene edition of L.A. Twister and it is on my mind. One of these days I will make that happen and I want to do a good job with the special features.
I regards to shock value in HK, I'll let you be the judge. Just this much, I was somewhat inspired by the old Dario Argento films (e.g. Terror at the Opera), their Hitchcock-style horror and non-PC-ness is intriguing to me.
cheers, Sven
Hey Mystic,
I will have a DVD for you before xmas. I'm working on the special features now.
This will become the long talked about "scene edition". I'll do a run of a 1000 and make them available thru the backdoor.
Special features will include a personal diary of the shoot (from the production designer), clips from the premiere at the Grauman's Chinese, trailers for the film and the play and the comments on this message board... and maybe maybe a commentary (I'll give it a shot this week).
L.A. Twister may not be available thru any other channels for a long time (that is up to the distribution gods), but at least you can get it here...
On other news, we just signed a distribution deal for Hollywood Kills (w/ a new company that comes with good recommendation) and the film should become available thru normal retail channels as early as beginning of 2007.
I'm just starting pre-production on a new project "Angels there Attend", a festival film about fate and choice and I'm excited that Traci Lords has signed on to star in the project. She is an amazing and energetic person and we hit it off right away.
Thanks to all that still keep following this thread...
Sven
glad to hear this will be in production, i'm ready to pre-order
Hahaha fuck yes, i'll be the first to order the scene edition 
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2007 for Hollywood Kills? SHiiiiit, really looking forward to seeing it too.
Good luck with your new project, and good job for getting a hot 80's porn star involved in it.
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Hey Mystic,
I will have a DVD for you before xmas. I'm working on the special features now.
This will become the long talked about "scene edition". I'll do a run of a 1000 and make them available thru the backdoor.
Special features will include a personal diary of the shoot (from the production designer), clips from the premiere at the Grauman's Chinese, trailers for the film and the play and the comments on this message board... and maybe maybe a commentary (I'll give it a shot this week).
L.A. Twister may not be available thru any other channels for a long time (that is up to the distribution gods), but at least you can get it here...
On other news, we just signed a distribution deal for Hollywood Kills (w/ a new company that comes with good recommendation) and the film should become available thru normal retail channels as early as beginning of 2007.
I'm just starting pre-production on a new project "Angels there Attend", a festival film about fate and choice and I'm excited that Traci Lords has signed on to star in the project. She is an amazing and energetic person and we hit it off right away.
Thanks to all that still keep following this thread...
Sven
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Stick me down for a copy.
Good Time Max
GTM is a film directed by James Franco and he also plays Max in it.
It's the story of two genius brothers - one a doctor, the other a drug addict - both on a path of self destruction.
Franco wrote the story and it is somewhat related to his own childhood. It's a lot of fun editing with him this fun indie, as he is like this litte kid, very eager and disciplined to tell his own story.
Good times...
I would like to sign up for two copies! I am eagerly awaiting the DVD and your next movie Sven!!
Please mark me down for a copy as well.
Sad to hear that your distribution is not working out quite as you expected.
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Preannouncement DVD
Wishing everyone peaceful and meaningful Holidays.
Just wanted to let you know that the Scene Edition DVD is targeted for release with a street date of January 25th.
I was hoping to get the DVD out before xmas, but unfortunately there are some delays with the duplication house and the master will only be replicated in January.
But I hope you will like the end product, as the DVD is loaded with special features incl. this entire thread and comes in a very nice 6 panel digi-package.
As we approach delivery I will give you more updates...
best, Sven
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The DVD is loaded with special features incl. this entire thread and comes in a very nice 6 panel digi-package.
As we approach delivery I will give you more updates...
mark me down for a copy of LA Twister DVD
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The work print is pretty close to the final cut, but I think I still made changes to the final theatrical version up until the very last minute.
I think I can safely say that the above is indeed a world exclusive??
Thanks for sharing the cover art Sven.
So when was L.A. Twister finally wrapped to go to the theatre? It's interesting you say the workprint made available online differs somewhat to the final cut of the movie. It will be interesting to compare the two editions.
Hopefully you didn't ruin the movie like Kevin Smith did with Jay & Silent Bob for example.
The workprint of that movie I still say is a million times better than the one finally released to theatres and dvd.
What kind of stuff did you change at the last minute? I thought the workprint version was great!
Sven, how do you feel about Zack Ward taking the lead role in the Postal movie? I personally think it's kinda sad, but may get him across to a mainstream audience. And is their any idea how much the scene edition of L.A T will cost?
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after seeing the cover art im all excited again, i can't wait, when can i preorder?
Yeah , I am interested in seeing the final cut. I especially like the fact its being labelled as 'The Scene Edition'. Nice touch Sven.
Whats happening with Hollywood Kills? Really looking forward to giving that the once over.
excitement rings through the silent halls of my childhood home. where oh where (i know when) but where will i be able to aquire this great item?
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Thats alot of words for someone that sells DVDs out of the back of a truck
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Read zoidys comment for clarification.
Re: Preannouncement DVD
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But I hope you will like the end product, as the DVD is loaded with special features incl. this entire thread and comes in a very nice 6 panel digi-package.
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Excellent! I'm so glad this is finally coming out!
Love the new art, very cool twist. Maybe a little dark for me, but who cares!!
I've seen LA Twister in theatres, and I've seen the workprint, and I don't remember any huge differences, but maybe I'm wrong? Was anyone else lucky enough to catch it in theatres?
Plus I got to meet Tony Daly!
another vote for cool artwork, looks very sexy.
"Scene Edition" - This is the best thing since sliced bread!
i hav'nt seen this yet and the way everyone here raves about it i feel like im missing out on a great movie , so when it arrive's on dvd i will have to purchase a copy and give it a viewing !
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Ive read through the thread a few times, and not having the seen the film, the fact that the director is taking time out to talk to an internet forum pretty much on the other side of the divide is great.
So thanks for keeping an open mind sven and adding to the debate, I look forward to the DVD release.
The artwork isn't so bad. I may have to buy it, judging by everyone else's responses.
DVD update
The DVD release is now set for Feb. 12 as the duplication house is still busy printing and replicating the DVD box set. I'm sorry for the delay, but it'll be worth the wait ;-)
To sign up for email notification click here http://latwistermovie.com/dev/contact.htm
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Thats great news, I just signed up. I know the answer to the question but won't post it here.
Will try to be vague with my Hint.
I have lost hundreds and there are 3 on the moon.
Pretty vague I think, if you still don't know it.. WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE.
Looking forward to getting my hands on the DVD and eagerly awaiting your future releases.
DVD Release - Shipping begins now!
Dear VCDQ friends,
It is my pleasure to present to you the one, the exclusive, the unprecedented SCENE EDITION of "L.A. Twister".
Click here to get your copy (...if you can find the answer and pass thru the backdoor ;-)
Strictly limited, this 6-panel DVD collector's item may be the only "legal" way you'll ever get to see the project again.
What started in September 2004, has arguably become the most discussed film on VCDQ. The L.A. TWISTER SCENE EDITION includes all of your posts as well as an array of special features. Plus a surprise hidden somewhere deep inside the DVD. (The first person to reveal the secret will win a rare misprint of the L.A. TWISTER theatrical poster).
Each DVD is $20 (includes U.S. Shipping, add $5 for international).
There are only 1000 copies. I will sell all but 30 DVDs, which I will keep until Valentines Day 2014 in order to auction them off for a minimum of $1000 each (with receipts going to a recognized charity as part of a fundraising event).
This DVD is unlike any other you will ever own. It includes your comments from the past years. It is a small part of history and an experiment in post-approved piracy.
I poured my heart into making this film (my first feature) striving to become a storyteller. With this L.A. TWISTER SCENE EDITION I'm closing a chapter on a very exciting part of my life.
Thank you for your ongoing support in the past and I can't wait to read all your future comments.
Good Times,
Sven
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Ordered one.
Click, click, done, paypal accepted.
Ordered one here. Been a while since I've actually done a movie purchase.... especially at $20.
Excited about this one.
922/1000 left when I ordered.
921 left...
Ordering
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whats the password
count me in for one of these badboys.
I'm desperately trying to clamber $1,000 together for a new bass and yet I still bought one of these. Heck, when you buy it.. it lets you put a comment in on the purchase. Its your chance to be a smart alec bastard like me.
I hope it got my shipping address.....
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Yeah I was wondering about my shipping address too. My paypal one is current ,hopefully that should be good enough.
Frst round of DVD sent out
For everybody that ordered a DVD thus far they have all gone out yesterday, you should have them within a week.
Thank you!!!
In the meantime I have gotten several requests for the password. I have promised myself to never reveal it, but I want to encourage the ones in the know to keep posting hints.
The answer is out there... ;-)
Sven
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Excellent, I've just acquired my two... Now the waiting begins! Or, starts for a second time.
I WANT ONE! SAVE ONE FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Done, got my copy. Free shipping too, nice.
Thanks Sven, I can't wait to get this now. Kudos to you, just don't give our names and addresses to the authorities!!!
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just don't give our names and addresses to the authorities!!!
i would watch it if i could get hold of it, now someone pm me the fucking password so i can put some cash in svens pockets.
EDIT: Got one ordered! 909 left!
JUST RECEIVED THE DVD TODAY!!!
It came with a sticker and yes, that is cum on the last pic.
Good work on getting yours.
However I assume you were a bit keen to get that parcel open judging by how you've ripped half of it off.
Oh and your floor could do with a good clean, those tiles are filthy.
p.a: Post screengrabs of the menus and this thread.
Good girl.
Scheming
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by the way is there ANY plans for a dvd of this movie ?
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by the way is there ANY plans for a dvd of this movie ?
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by the way is there ANY plans for a dvd of this movie ?
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Got my puppy. Gonna watch it again then lock it away in a safe place, could be very valuable one day when Svens as big as Spielberg.
attached pic
damn you . wheres mine . i'm like at least, 3x beter.
edit: it was in the lounge. yay!
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I want mine!
Sluts, post pics of yours, you always do good farty ones, get some screenies too!
This might be a weird place to ask this question but, Sven, is it still possible to get other LA Twister stuff? Like a movie poster?
I'm great enough to own a DSLR but not great enough to not lose the battery charger... I haven't seen it in about 2 months! If I find it, I'll snap it. Your review post is in the digipak itself
Alas I can't watch it, as my TV broke last night
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Sven, is it still possible to get other LA Twister stuff? Like a movie poster?
Wohoo! Now I've got a shirt and a poster too! On the way to die-hard fandom. Now if only my movie will arrive before the weekend...
I PM'd the Svenster but he did say to post it here in his last posterings, so I'll bring it up here.
My stab at the easter egg: the DVD contains approx 12 minutes of footage of "Hollywood Kills" as well (not the trailer on the trailer page).
Fingers crossed!
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the DVD contains approx 12 minutes of footage of "Hollywood Kills"
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Finally ordered mine. 879 available. Now the hardest part: the wait for it to arrive
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Pho you cunt.
Nice job dude.
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pHo, that's it. Congrats, the poster is yours!!!
Thanks to the executive producer of HK I was able to put in the first 10 minutes of the film. Hope you enjoy the gore ;-)
Well, since the cat's already out of the bag.
Go to the trailers section, and then to the last one, Hollywood Kills, and hit up. The cursor or whatever should disappear and you've found it. At least, that's how it is on mine.
It's cool, very interesting if a little weird. Now we all have to wait for that to come out too!
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Cheers Sven, arrived today!
Slips, heres some pics and caps for you till yours shows up
now grinches supergay avatar is famous!
My dvd arrived while i was in Poland, will be watching it tonight! cheers Sven.
Got my copy in the mailbox today!!! Got just enough time to watch it before I go home from work
Thanks, Sven!!!!!
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there's now a (another ?) copy of the dvd in France !
So, thanks Sven.
And to whoever deleted my post in the thread (I'm pretty sure I had made some useless comment anyway) : I hate you.
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Ok, this is aggrevateing me, haveing a heck of a time finding another copy of this has my other is no longer viewable..would anyone mind pming me the password so sven can get some cash off me??????????? please???
thanks in advanced
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Sven,
I can't help but ask this question...
Do you consider this project of yours with this type of distribution a success?
I saw that a good number of these limited run dvds have been sold.
I am a little bit surprised personally that not more were sold.
Then again, you do need to have the password in order to get into the ordering area.
This film was truly an enjoyable one and of course I ordered a copy when I went in through the back door.
Thanks again for keeping your word and making this movie available for us in a finished form.
Cheers!
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Hey Hurr,
thx for buying on of these puppies? Do I consider it a success. Absolutely. Would I have expected the number to be higher? Yes. But I see it as a work in progress. Having the scene edition really opened up a new medium for me and I started streaming the DVD chapters on our main site for the mainstream audience and it opened up a whole new audience for the film.
Just the other day I had over 3000 new people visit our site and watch the chapters. Is it going to lead to DVD sales right away? No, but enough people sign up and keep watching the update and over time some of them will want to see the entire movie.
It also opened up talks with our distributor in terms of releasing a DVD at Walmart, BestBuy etc. and hopefully soon there will be a regular L.A. Twister DVD in stores. But it will never be the Scene Edition ;-)
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Turns out the last movie night at my house was a success, thanks sven !!!
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Turns out the last movie night at my house was a success, thanks sven !!!
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Viral marketing...
has been more like mammal marketing but from 2004 to 2007, 3 years later a movie I never heard of I heard of so it's working. A long and difficult birth...
The movie wasn't bad. I didn't expect that level of professionalism but then I looked at the credit bios so I should have expected it. What clearly made the film professional was the camera work and the editing. The script was a bit too formal/bookish for me to believe some of the dialogue that came out of the character's mouth. The actor's should have helped with that, it is not easy for a writer to have to be able to consistently switch character voices when writing and the writer should welcome that within reason. The acting, well it was mostly good but some characters I felt I could see 'think' before acting as in: "I need to make this expression to convey this meaning". Nothing that a few extra takes couldn't resolve.
Overall: I felt LA Twister was on par with "Little Miss Sunshine" except the 1st part of Little Miss Sunshine (before the trip) was exceptionally intriguing. Comparing the rest of the films, LA Twister was better.
LA Twister was head and shoulders better than 'Thank You for Not Smoking', one of the most boring, poorly acted and poorly written films I have ever had the misfortune of being conned into viewing. I was not happy having wasted that money.
I was led to LA Twister in a very convoluted way, from searching the job forums at Craig's List and then looking at the Film/Commercial section there. I'm was actually looking for SW programmer but was curious what internet projects some indie film makers might be coming up with. I found one, checked their website, which led to their MySpacePage, where I read these 'friend' comments (I'm not really into MySpace), somehow, though that whole mess I found Snow Dog Films.
Now why did I trace all that out? Because, as they say in business it all about: location, location, location...so I'm suggesting that:
I think there is a market for what Sven and others like him has done and can do. An even bigger one then he thinks. I and many others are not happy to get conned into seeing stuff like 'Thank You for Smoking'. It's an extremely rare Hollywood moovie or TV show that most don't find boring no matter the special effects.
I think Sven & other creative organizers should create a 'Sundance Festival' for the web, call it 'Minor League Movies' or whatever. A well know place where Indy film makers can market their stuff so their potential viewers can find them without jumping through hoops. Those worried about pirates need to realize a film viewed by no one is worthless. At least we people who are being considered potential pirates want to see what you have done. The Hollywood exec can't even be bothered to acknowledge the existence of other work outside of that in their own closed world. Indies can gain commercial success for exceptional work by using the web to prove the market is there.
Of course, to avoid the place filling up with YouTube type junk the site has to automate a process to at least filter out the most obvious junk (say by forcing the submitting to also post the script to the film and using speech recognition SW to match the script with the film and also by disallowing anything less then 30 minutes). Users could view, review, vote, or even invest in the film. Filmmakers could rework their film according to the constructive criticism. As a hook to get viewers visiting the site I suggest creating Computer Based Training modules (e-Learning/E-University) whereby true amateurs could learn specific crafts relating to the entertainment industry. The CBTs alone should make the site popular enough to draw alot of advertising dollors. However, a warning, I suggest the CBT cource 'Acting' be posted first if you don't want to hear a loud chorus of whines upon launching the website (LOL). Oh, and get some endorsements from influential media outlets and professionals. Maybe get them to even contribute to the CBTs drawing even more interest from the public.
Think how easy such a web site would be to regionalize in the US and to internationalize all over the world, in Germany, Britian, France, everywhere...lots of possibilities to sell ads to local sponsors and for local sponsors to sponsor local filmmakers...you can target the ads so much more finely with the net then with TV.
Also, when analogue broadcasting is cut off in the US and the switch to digital they say they are going to divide up the digital bandwidth so they can broadcast multiple shows at once. I'm asking you with what?! They can't even fill up the time are allotted now. This is a big opportunity to create a large independent conglomerate of independent 'production houses' that will have material proven on the net (like I said earlier, you can ever find the post code / zip code where the film was most popular) to sell to fill this extra bandwidth.
What do you think? It's a shame to see so much talent and experience go to waste. Hollywood is not making good use of it so I think you should organize yourselves so that we who enjoy your work and want to hear other voices besides Hollywood's and the mainstream's will have an easy way to find it.
Best Regards...
SnakeEyes
Only 523 left! Just bought mine... better late than never I spose
+Lovin the dollar/pound exchange rate
I still have no idea what the password is.
EDIT: Now i do... cheers sven
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sure thing
ur welcome, dude.
thx, for the order!
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Sven did Hollywood Kills make it to retail DVD yet? It looks great from what I saw on the LA Twister DVD!
HK
Hey Mystic,
it's been a while, glad to see you are around.
HK launched on DVD in Japan last month and opens in theatres/DVD in Germany on Friday, so you would have to get it as an important online.
Not sure when it will make it will come to America/UK though.
cheers, s.
P.S. And even though it's out for only a few hours there's already a pirate copy floating around as I can see... ;-)
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Hollywood.Kills.German.2006.DVDRiP.SVCD-RSG
Hollywood.Kills.German.2006.DVDRiP.XviD-RSG
Hollywood.Kills.German.2006.DL.PAL.COMPLETE.DVDR-SoW
OH RLY?
I doubt the xvid/SVCD version has been ripped with English audio considering it's a German release but the DVD rip has English (apparently)... Having never downloaded a German DVD before I could struggle with finding this but I accept the challenge Sven, even if you weren't aware you'd made one!
Then again, I could just sit back and wait for one of the English release groups to rip the English audio version off the DVD to xvid and release that (whilst simultaneously boasting about how super they are, despite it being so easy my Mum could do it), saving myself time and bandwidth
Same deal as last time Sven, if it doesn't suck, we'll buy it
::EDIT:: It would seem that the DVD wasn't that hard to find after all
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Same deal as last time Sven, if it doesn't suck, we'll buy it
Twister DVD
The Scene Edition def. contributed to spark renewed interest in the film and there will finally be a U.S. DVD release in 2008 by Indican Pictures.
We just finalized the contract on that.
International there is currently no release in sight, but I'm hopeful that once it hit the U.S. it will come around to other markets.
I'm glad you all finally get to see HK, legal or not, can't wait to hear the review
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Hey Sven
If you are stuck for new movie ideas, try some of these!
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Ok finally watched this (no thanks to fucking royal mail strikes) and must say it was pretty awesome !
Stick me down for a copy of hollywood kills sven ,cause that looks pretty cool too.
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If everyone in this thread is to be believed this LA Twister is the best film of all time. I doubt it though. It gets a "rotten" on rottentomatoes and a poor 6.0 on IMdB.
No I haven't seen it but I can make the leap that its crap. Just because the director of a tiny film comes on these boards doesn't mean I'm going to become a sycophant like the previous posters.
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Just because the director of a tiny film comes on these boards doesn't mean I'm going to become a sycophant like the previous posters.
just came upon this thread by chance cause the boy has th e tv and is watching his learning videos...and im waiting for heroes to come on....
anyway....vazan.....greatness or suckness... a 15 page thread makes me pretty fuckin curious...if netflix has it or i can leech it ill check it out(sorry sven...but i got rid of all my tangible media for space reasons and wont buy any more)
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If everyone in this thread is to be believed this LA Twister is the best film of all time.
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... and a poor 6.0 on IMdB.
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If truth be told, I enjoyed LA Twister, at times it missed the mark for me but overall I enjoyed it... I was more impressed with Sven's attitude! It's refreshing to know how frustrated the creative people within Hollywood can be because they have to deal with the bullshit that we simply sidestep by ripping a movie off.
So whilst I respect what you're saying Vanzan in that there probably is a degree of sycophancy in this thread, it's borne from Sven's attitude rather than us being starstruck. Hollywood needs to change, and open-minded directors can help facilitate that change... The same is happening in the music industry now, artists are beginning to realise that treating your customer base with contempt isn't the way forward and that they need to adapt, thankfully; some are.
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vanzan, watch it, then tell me that it's crap...
http://www.latwistermovie.com/experiment.htm
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Vanzan, if you are suggesting that people here (including me) are only being complimentary about this movie because the director of it turned up, then you are seriously fucking mistaken.
Would this thread have gotten as many replies if Sven hadn't posted? No it wouldn't, but of all those responses no
one has posted a negative one and considering the recent consensus regarding posting etiquette, that should speak fucking volumes.
If I thought this movie was shit, I would say so. I would gladly piss on Svens parade if I thought he deserved it, instead I bought the DVD and *I would seriously rather go down on Neversoft than buy a dvd of a movie that I don't like.
Considering Vanzans recent movie
tastes, I am not sure he is qualified to comment either way
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I've watched the WP and I'll definitely watch the theatrical when its released.
I watched Halloween, I never said I liked it. LA Twister: 13% on Rotten Tomatoes....it's fucking shit.
Rotten Tomatoes gives Brokeback mountain 86%.
Fill yer boots you fuckin peasant.
just watched the first 2 chaps on the site....and you are a fuckin genius sven....not because that was some funny shit and i want to see more...but because you made it just annoying enough on the website to want to watch it on dvd....now im gonna do what i never thought i would do again.....buy another fuckin movie
bastard
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Brokeback? How many Oscar nominations did L.A Twister get?
You liked brokeback mountain?
Boondock saints got 19% on rotten tomatoes, was that shit?
yes
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Yes you liked Brokeback mounting or yes Boondock Saints was shit??
Don't know why I'm asking since i know you have an upskirt shot of Heath Ledger as a screen saver.
Edit ** Brokeback mounting was seriously an unintentional typo/freudian slip, not gonna correct it coz it's pure fuckin genius.
I really didn't like Brokeback at all, I thought it was a pretty poor attempt at trying to sell the idea of homosexuality to a primarily straight audience. I think within a few months of seeing it I'd seen Mysterious Skin, which wasn't even in the same ballpark. Briliant film, and recommended to anyone who is capable of handling the concepts it deals with.
Anyway, enough about movies that aren't LA Twister.
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I have yet to see Bumfun Mountgay. It's on the "I'll see it when I get round to it at some time in the future, whenever that is i'm not really bothered if I die not having seen it" pile gathering dust...
However I do have a copy of Hollywood Kills, and having seen the taster on the LA Twister DVD I shall certainly watch that pretty sharpish.
I'm already sharpening the critique pencil in anticipation...
fuck brokeback
and fuck boondock too
ordering twister tomorrow...cant wait to watch
thanx for the heads up slipps....much better than that black christmas crap i was stupid enough to watch cause of you
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quote:I'm not going to steam-in like the others have done but I want to point out a flaw in your logic... You're arguing about the quality of a movie that you haven't seen, based on other peoples opinions. The rest of us at least take the time to see a movie before judging it. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't speak for everybody (it certainly doesn't speak for me) and you shouldn't let it speak for you. A quick Google shows many mixed reviews of LA Twister, many saying it's a bit self-indulgent at times, but guess what, you might still like it!
Originally posted by vanzan
I watched Halloween, I never said I liked it. LA Twister: 13% on Rotten Tomatoes....it's fucking shit.
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I gotta thank Vanzan for his postings here, this little controversy created a spike in DVD sales last week ;-) not that I'm counting...
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I'm disappointed Zack Ward decided to act in an Uwe Boll movie...
Still got Hollywood Kills to watch as yet,looking forward to that though!
Sven, any thoughts on our STV ideas?
def. digging the j-lo plotline, hope i get to do a movie like that once ;-)
to be honest, I have yet to see any uwe boll movie... I know zack is behind "postal" 100% and I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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Personally I think 'Moonquake' has excellent TV Movie potential.
quote:I honestly don't see how any director can get "Postal" wrong to be honest... Forget the plot and script and just have a drug-crazed gun toting idiot shoot at cats and civilians for 90 minutes. Hell, I can't wait
Originally posted by Sven
I know zack is behind "postal" 100% and I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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But it's Uwe Boll.
The way I look at it... If I spend all day doing wet farts, eventually I'll shit myself - thus is the way of Uwe's directing career. Maybe Postal is his fecal suprise!
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There is a DVD Scr of it out now, it's in German though.
well....i got my copy last week and i watched it last night...
i dont have an ebert and roeper type mentality when it comes to watching a flick....so heres my 3 word review
i liked it....
(...not that anyone cares anyway)
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Ha I only just noticed google was feeding us with ads for LA Twister now, nice
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I gotta thank Vanzan for his postings here, this little controversy created a spike in DVD sales last week ;-) not that I'm counting...
sven
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It's a shame the mods didn't see it that way or else I wouldn't have been banned twice.
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some here think hes a bit of a jerkoff....but the way i see it...we all are...so who am i to judge
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zeitgeist movie
do yourselves a favor and watch Zeitgeist
It's an unbelievably great documentary and it's free, most thought provoking piece of filmmaking I've seen in a long time...
enough said!
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quote:Now now... You didn't get banned for what you put in this thread, you got banned for whinging about it in every other thread and generally being an ass. Sure, forming an "opinion" based on what others say about a movie makes you look like a suppurating vagina but implying that we only say "nice" things about LA Twister because the director is a member of the site was plainly wrong... Look at the time-line of this thread and all the evidence you need is there. I could have ignored that but you then trolled unrelated threads with the same crap, so come on - you deserved it.
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It's a shame the mods didn't see it that way or else I wouldn't have been banned twice.
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thanks for the love...right back atcha!
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quote:Thanks for the heads-up! Very thought-provoking indeed, I've just spent two hours glued to the monitor, it's 3:20am and I feel like starting a revolution... Anybody want to join in?
Originally posted by Sven
do yourselves a favor and watch Zeitgeist
It's an unbelievably great documentary and it's free, most thought provoking piece of filmmaking I've seen in a long time...
enough said!
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Parts of the movie seemed to be a bit of a stretch but overall it contained some interesting information, stuff that I'll no doubt be mulling-over for some time to come.
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this thread is intriguing
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this thread is intriguing
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