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Posted by GrInDi on 02-15-2005 11:53 AM:

TDX Rules,DVD Rules, VCD Rules

Hi,

i see all the releases nuked because they are non compliant with certain rules, ie xvid is the TDX rules,etc,etc can someone please post the rules please for DVD and SVCD, VCD this is only for home use and not for releasing shit. Flame away


Posted by Neversoft on 02-15-2005 12:51 PM:

This isn't a bad idea - it'll stop a few people from asking about the various formats and nuke reasons. I might even sticky the bugger!

Could somebody do the honours?

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Posted by Mother on 02-15-2005 01:36 PM:

If you're not releasing and just want a set of quality recommendations for your own rips, you don't need to know the rules for packaging, labeling, dupes/propers, etc.

Here's a summary therefore of the most important things you should try to follow:

SVCD DVD rips
- Length: no more than 55 minutes per CD.
- Max. video bitrate 2450kbps.
- Min. average video bitrate 1700kbps for widescreen releases or 1900kbps for full screen releases.
- Use VBR 2-pass or higher.
- Min. audio bitrate 192kbps, maximum 224kbps.

DivX DVD rips
- Length: PAL (25 fps) 105 minutes/CD
FILM (23.976 fps) 110 minutes/CD
NTSC (29.97 fps) 92 minutes/CD
- Audio VBR MP3 or AC3
- Codec DivX 3.11 or XviD
- Use 2-pass encoding
- Resolution: width 512 - 640 pixels and must be a multiple of 16
height must be a multiple of 16
black bars must be cropped

DVDR DVD rips
- must be at least 4.15 Gb unless source is dvd5
- CCE must be used for all re-encoded streams
- Min. bitrate 3000 kbps
- 100 minutes or below min. 4 pass, over 100 minutes min. 5 pass
- Keep menus, English audio (original audio if non-English) and subtitles in three of the most common languages
- Macrovision must be removed
- Must be region free


Posted by horizonstar on 02-16-2005 04:37 AM:

Thanks, Mother. That's a very nice practical summary. I have a couple questions ...

1. What VBR settings for LAME would you recommend?
(a) --preset standard
(b) --preset extreme
(c) -V 0
(d) something else

2. Is 2-pass really good enough for DivX/XviD? Even for vids with lots of motion?

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Posted by Mother on 02-16-2005 09:17 AM:

1. Scene rules recommend --r3mix, but that is now outdated. I think the equivalent is -V3 --vbr-new.

2. Yes. (To be honest, I wasn't aware you could do more than 2 passes with XviD anyway.)


Posted by mach on 04-24-2005 01:03 AM:

If you want a set of standards for creating quality mp3's, I'd suggest following the uberstandard: http://www.ubernet.org/


Posted by DJPop on 05-23-2005 01:23 PM:

Is is necessary to crop the black bars from widescreen releases using Xvid?

I prefer the widescreen versions, with the black bars.


Posted by DJPop on 05-23-2005 01:24 PM:

Is it necessary to crop the black bars on xvid releases?

I actually prefer to have the black bars for the widescreen movies.

I been trying to release xvid rips of old dvd's, as an internal group, but I can't seem to get any movie, anywhere.


Posted by Kid Hash on 05-31-2005 10:54 PM:

It seems no-ones uploaded scene rules yet

Here's DVDR, SVCD, Xvid and MVid rules, all zipped up


Posted by Kid Hash on 07-13-2005 02:53 PM:

DVDR 2005 Rules. And it wouldn't hurt if one of the 112 people that has downloaded the rules so far had said thanks.


Posted by pHo on 07-13-2005 04:22 PM:

i love it how people who make rulesets think people will actually listen.

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Posted by FrightfoO on 07-18-2005 10:54 AM:

--alt-preset standard should be used in all cases. --alt-preset extreme is a waste of bits for no audible quality difference.

DJPop: the actual image is still displayed with large or small black borders depending on whether you've got a widescreen television or not. Black borders are just cropped to prevent them being encoded (wasting bits) and to keep divisibility (of 16)/crop ratio/AR error down.

- frankly what I don't really like is overcropping into the valid video and using Smart Crop All (which keeps the values). I prefer to pixel crop, then choose the appropriate 16 mod compliant resolution, which is closest to the 1.85:1, or 2.35:1 AR etc (i.e. I like to keep all the picture rather than cut parts of it out). Some GordianKnot guides will suggest overcropping even if it means sacrificing some picture. No sir, I prefer it not being done. Don't worry I do see the difference

Thanks for the list Kid Hash

edit - sorry, this is a dopey post. What I prefer now IS to crop out valid, but messed up video (which nearly all DVD's have). This might not actually equal a 2.35 or 1.85 AR in the end, but this doesn't matter. As long as your AR error % is small all's good.


Posted by eminenz on 08-17-2005 04:03 PM:

hey kid hash, thankz for posting the rules! everything i always wanted to know, but didn't know i could ask. cheers!


Posted by codmat on 11-11-2005 04:33 PM:

Thx for the rule sets Kid Hash

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Posted by kiemp4 on 12-07-2005 01:34 AM:

thanx for the rules
now where do i go to begin to understand them.
i dearly want to learn "how to" but it seems that i've missed the first couple of chapters. metaphorically speaking.
BTW hello.

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Posted by biocore on 01-30-2006 12:27 AM:

Anyone got the current TDX rules ?


Posted by Avenue_1 on 01-30-2006 01:53 PM:

I have a new mousemat.


Posted by happyguu on 02-15-2006 04:02 PM:

real thanks , kid hash.

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Posted by sailorboy on 04-16-2006 06:06 PM:

Cheers for the Rules. Now to get a camcorder :-p


Posted by JazzMatazz on 05-06-2006 08:15 AM:

thanks a lot kid hash.


Posted by blakamin on 06-20-2006 10:07 AM:

I'd also like to say thanks for the rules, Kid Hash.


Posted by freaky_00 on 09-27-2006 12:24 PM:

I like the rules. Well since I mainly use XviD I still have some complaints about stuff. First of all I understand the sizing issues to ensure good quality but since there are some actionflics which have to be put on one cd because of the movielength they miss tha AC3 stream. Since we are at it why don't they update the rules so finally some DTS XviDs could be done. Those rules are from 2002 - I hope they do update them some time soon.


Posted by Ekno on 10-29-2006 01:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by freaky_00
I like the rules. Well since I mainly use XviD I still have some complaints about stuff. First of all I understand the sizing issues to ensure good quality but since there are some actionflics which have to be put on one cd because of the movielength they miss tha AC3 stream. Since we are at it why don't they update the rules so finally some DTS XviDs could be done. Those rules are from 2002 - I hope they do update them some time soon.


True

The rules are way outdated, especially the XviD and mp3 rules, they are not near quality at all.
mp3 is todays Tape and Xvid is todays VHS.

When you look at HDTV, and then you look at XviD (DVDrips) there is a big difference the difference wasn't that big when DVD was out, but now when we have HD XviD is shit. And you can't stop seeing the difference, if you ask me all XviD (DVrips) releases should be nuked

The same for the mp3, DVD audio is out and mp3 just damages you ear. Thank god some groups release internal FLAC it would be great if more groups released FLAC internally and too few groups release HD.

TDX rules need to be shined up. Right now it is quantity above quality and that's sad.


Posted by Ekno on 11-03-2006 01:18 AM:

Anyone got the latest TDX rules?


Posted by nikosb on 12-15-2006 05:26 PM:

Thx for the rule sets Kid Hash


Posted by carolinawolf on 12-28-2006 09:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mother
If you're not releasing and just want a set of quality recommendations for your own rips, you don't need to know the rules for packaging, labeling, dupes/propers, etc.

Here's a summary therefore of the most important things you should try to follow:

SVCD DVD rips
- Length: no more than 55 minutes per CD.
- Max. video bitrate 2450kbps.
- Min. average video bitrate 1700kbps for widescreen releases or 1900kbps for full screen releases.
- Use VBR 2-pass or higher.
- Min. audio bitrate 192kbps, maximum 224kbps.

DivX DVD rips
- Length: PAL (25 fps) 105 minutes/CD
FILM (23.976 fps) 110 minutes/CD
NTSC (29.97 fps) 92 minutes/CD
- Audio VBR MP3 or AC3
- Codec DivX 3.11 or XviD
- Use 2-pass encoding
- Resolution: width 512 - 640 pixels and must be a multiple of 16
height must be a multiple of 16
black bars must be cropped

DVDR DVD rips
- must be at least 4.15 Gb unless source is dvd5
- CCE must be used for all re-encoded streams
- Min. bitrate 3000 kbps
- 100 minutes or below min. 4 pass, over 100 minutes min. 5 pass
- Keep menus, English audio (original audio if non-English) and subtitles in three of the most common languages
- Macrovision must be removed
- Must be region free



Great post!

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Posted by Ad-Man on 06-23-2007 11:49 AM:

I couldn't see that anyone had posted the 2005 XviD standards so here they are.


Posted by sylvania-vcd on 08-06-2008 04:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ad-Man
I couldn't see that anyone had posted the 2005 XviD standards so here they are.


Thanx for the updated rules...

I still have a question concerning the R5 source (with or without LINE audio): Is it or is it not a legit source?
First, I see no mention of R5 as a source (interestingly VHS is still there, and SCREENER is also there which has been historically used for silvers). I assume that R5 were not widely available in 2004 or 2005 (whenever the TXD2k5 "guidelines" were drafted), right? Also, R5 is not listed as a source in VCDq FAQs...

So what's up with the R5s? Are they legit or not? Are there newer TXD "guidelines" than the 2k5, or is there some "footnote" somewhere concerning the R5s?


Posted by Neversoft on 08-06-2008 11:16 AM:

I'll get the FAQ updated ASAP, thanks for the heads-up.


Posted by Avenue_1 on 08-06-2008 05:25 PM:

I'll bump this in a couple of years to get you to do that Neversoft

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Posted by Neversoft on 08-06-2008 06:09 PM:

I'd do it straight away but I only have forum admin access at the moment, I don't have access to the back-end... Now fuck off


Posted by Avenue_1 on 08-06-2008 07:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
I don't have access to the back-end...


It's too obvious so i'll leave it...

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Posted by Ekno on 11-17-2008 06:40 AM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_(warez)

go to "references"


Posted by Mother on 01-12-2009 01:25 PM:

Not being a close follower of the warez scene, I just wondered how long the mvid scene has been using x264/aac in MKV instead of Xvid/MP3 in AVI?


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