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-- Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines *SVCD* - SCREENER - TCF (http://www.vcdhq.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27399)
Very nice screener. Great audio too. But the drawback is it is FS and not WS.
I'll hold on to the TC and the Drunk Edition for now until DVD is available.
Great work though TCF! 
8/10/8
WOW! TCF another great release i never grabbed the "telecine" of this movie, the sample is sweeeeeeeeet! Keep up the good work! =D 9/9/8
fantastic color. 9 pass vbr? i bet that took like a day and a half to encode.
FS is a drawback for sure.
gonna grab it anyway kuz im such a leech.
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Just got the sample and what can i say 
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video 8, just cos it's FS.
audio 9, sweet streams.
movie 7, could of been better.
as for 9 pass vbr, i can do a 5 pass DVD in 8hrs so i would say maybe 14-16hrs, but it's worth it.
Excellent quality, this will keep me going till the dvd rip comes out sometime next month (hopefully).
Great work TCF
9/10/8
From Sample
Video : A little pixilation and grainyness to the picture, the colors and brightness seemed right on the money though. Full Screen 
Audio : Nice and clear, as you would expect from TCF. No complaints here.
Well, this is kinda wierd, TCF went SVCD for this VHS Screener, to preserve quality which I admire, great job TCF. However, due the the source, I'm gonna stick with my TELECINE ( Not TELESYNC kids ) because the picture quality is by far superior. I'll be skipping this download ( A first for a TCF release ). Where oh where can my DVDRip be, oh where oh where can it be.
Props to TCF anyways, good work boys.
Based on VHS Screener:
Video : 9/9/7.5
VHS Screeners aren't gonna look much prettier then this.
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Originally posted by platinum_bomb
Dude, It wasn't there and still isn't... I was waiting to see what the pic looked like cuz the release was up, but there was no pic and i didn't find the sample, mo fo. Don't make me come and tie ur arms to ur chair and beat u silly with your own keyboard
lol
Will edit this after i get it.
9 pass is pointless.....it has been shown that anything over 5 pass in CCE doesn't give you any better quality...
:: maybe not for vhs and the majority of dvds, but some superbit dvds and hdtv streams it *does* make a difference going over 5 passes. - cC.
anywho, good release.... 8 (not WS)/9/7
cool quality very good
to bad its fullscreen
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this version is brighter but the telecine version still looks more clean and polished despite it being too dark. the screener is a little too bright. As for it not being widescreen, well that depends on your taste i guess. The WS version crops portions of the top and bottom image, while the FS version crops the left and right. Up to you.
Video Quality: 8 (as good as a vhs screeners going to get)
Audio Quality: 10 (no distortion, nice and clear)
FS vs. WS? If you like to see more of the unimportant parts of the movie like whats on the left and right then WS is for you. If you care about the important center focused scenes with more image on top and botom then the FS is for you.
Altho T3 is a 2.35:1 WS film, the FS version doesnt crop much out. (atleast nothing important). i dont think its important to see the extra wall or plant, that doesn't add anything to the movie.
Looks great, but the "TC" will hold me over until the DVD comes out.
7(for being FS)/9/10
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Looks great, but the "TC" will hold me over until the DVD comes out.
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Agree but awesome tcf is on a roll one screener just out guesss
what another one
i just finished dwnldin both & got to say it was good
the video is full screen well
but it is great quality & the audio is also great
Video :8.89
Audio :9
Movie :7.5
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omg u tards complain about a vhs scr being fs wtf wait for the dvd u freaking mullies vhs is FullSCREEN so stfu before i stab u in the face......8/8/7
:: vhs isn't always FS, so go stab yourself in the face. -pHo
Great quality video and audio.
Video 8.5
Audio 9
Movie 7.5
DVD screener should be coming out soon, retail DVD projected date 11/11/03.
:: yes because every film gets a dvd screener doesn't it? -pHo
all i can say is wow. this release looks great, i thought tcf should have done x2 in svcd, but i think every scr they do should be done in svcd after viewing this beauty. a vhs tape cannot look any better than this, great job tcf raising the bar again.
10/10
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pfft everyone says WS? Me likes full screen Great job TCF judging from the sample 9/9/8
8/9/8
10/10/10 (rating on vhs screeners)
By far one of the best vhs screeners I have seen. Looking to more quality releases like this.
So am I the only one that has the 1 second delay on the audio on this release or what? Can't believe this wasn't nuked for video/audio sync. 9/6/9
*from film*
my post yesterday was removed for some odd reason.Great screener.You usually notice some pale colours when watching a screener but the fact this is SVCD cleans it up a fair bit.Also in some of the fast paced scenes you can see slight pixelation but it would have been worse if VCD.
9/9/7
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picked this up lastnight...finaly a vhs svcd scr, and a movie worth watchin!
8/8/8
any one have a problem burning cd1? nero says the file is toobig!
Pretty nice colors, but the fact that tc is ws and got 5.1 is enough for me to skip this one. Gimme dvdscr or retail
BTW Terminator800: "The WS version crops portions of the top and bottom image, while the FS version crops the left and right. Up to you."
That is incorrect ws doesnt crop out anything on top or bottom. So WS is preferred by most people who dont like missing out on the full original image the way the movie was shot.
quote:Although the TC's source audio was from unmastered 5.1 (hacked/extracted from theatrical disc) this copy in my opinion sounds better/more vibrant, maybe the process TGSC uses alters the 5.1 or isn't a lossless technique because it doesn't sound like mastered 5.1 (Matrix Reloaded retail for example has much better audio than CTP's 5.1CH TS DVDR). Even so, if you're referring to the SVCD version of the TC then it isn't 5.1 since mpeg-2 technically can not preserve that. And you're comment about WS/FS is not 100% true either, it depends on the original matting. One example of what Terminator800 mentioned was the screener releases for Men In Black 2, TEG's version was FS cropped left/right and TCF's was WS cropped bottom/top. As someone mentioned in another thread a while ago, even movies shown in theatres aren't matted and theatre's have to add the black bars with their equipment depending on the size of their screens. When a studio masters a DVD they make the same decision. Just thought I'd kick some knowledge for ya
Originally posted by mew
Pretty nice colors, but the fact that tc is ws and got 5.1 is enough for me to skip this one. Gimme dvdscr or retail
BTW Terminator800: "The WS version crops portions of the top and bottom image, while the FS version crops the left and right. Up to you."
That is incorrect ws doesnt crop out anything on top or bottom. So WS is preferred by most people who dont like missing out on the full original image the way the movie was shot.
and in the case of this movie..it was formatted 2.35 to 1..wich means, nothing is taken off the top and bottoms in the ws versions....
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Originally posted by psyche
Although the TC's source audio was from unmastered 5.1 (hacked/extracted from theatrical disc) this copy in my opinion sounds better/more vibrant, maybe the process TGSC uses alters the 5.1 or isn't a lossless technique because it doesn't sound like mastered 5.1 (Matrix Reloaded retail for example has much better audio than CTP's 5.1CH TS DVDR). Even so, if you're referring to the SVCD version of the TC then it isn't 5.1 since mpeg-2 technically can not preserve that. And you're comment about WS/FS is not 100% true either, it depends on the original matting. One example of what Terminator800 mentioned was the screener releases for Men In Black 2, TEG's version was FS cropped left/right and TCF's was WS cropped bottom/top. As someone mentioned in another thread a while ago, even movies shown in theatres aren't matted and theatre's have to add the black bars with their equipment depending on the size of their screens. When a studio masters a DVD they make the same decision. Just thought I'd kick some knowledge for ya
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BTW Terminator800: "The WS version crops portions of the top and bottom image, while the FS version crops the left and right. Up to you."
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That is incorrect ws doesnt crop out anything on top or bottom. So WS is preferred by most people who dont like missing out on the full original image the way the movie was shot.
Video a bit grainy in dark scenes, colors good though. Audio fine.
8/8/9
watch some group catch a sceneban for re-encoding to vcd.
8/8/7
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Originally posted by Terminator800
Most WS movies are cropped from top and bottom. This is called matting. When you watch the movie in the theater or WS dvd, usually all WS movies are matted top and bottom because the director didn't want to show more image. If you don't believe T3 WS is cropped top and bottom, then do a comparison and it'll be obvious. I did.
very nice indeed and I especially like the fact that it was released full screen. I don't know about the rest of you but I still like movies full screen even though I have a nice tv that can handle widescreen. Just my 2 cents.
Anyways, sound is excellent and picture is just as good with crisp and bright colors.
9/9/8
I also noticed that the sound is out of sync (on disc 1 at least - haven't got disc 2 yet)
They appear to have used DVD-SVCD to encode this. I think its caused by adding the logo at the beginning and the disc change logo at the end of disc 1. The same happened to me when I ripped some DVD's - changing the options in DVD-SVCD got rid of the problem.
To be honest I'm no expert - it might only cause problems on some players. Did any one else notice this problem?
On a postive note the sound is very clear and the picture looks very clear too. Just a shame about the audio sync. But then beggars can't be choosers
Why does everyone hate FS.
I prefer FS because it uses the full space on the tv, having black bars on the top/bottom is a waste of space on the screen.
Not everyone has a widescreen tv.
january1973, a screener is a rip from a VHS tape not a DVD.
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EricM, Look in the "extra" folder on CD1 and you will see that they did in fact use DVD2SVCD at some point.
great screener..8.5/9/9 this movie is great, sucks ass that most scr's are in fs....o well great quality TCF rules
i cant believe that this movie was filmed in fs, dumb ass John Mostow had to go the dumb route...o well
its a matted film
go here for details
http://www.vcdquality.com/forum/sho...&threadid=27745
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