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Easy PAL -> NTSC conversion...solution inside

I know I've seen many threads on here asking how to convert from PAL to NTSC...I recently came across a very easy solution.

A typical workflow is as follows (assumes you are starting with PAL source material):

• Demux the video and audio streams.
  
• If the video is interlaced, deinterlace it to make it progressive. If it is already progressive, skip this step.
  
• Resize the video to 720x480.
  
• Encode the video to MPEG2 at 25fps progressive.
  
• Run DGPulldown on the video MPEG2 stream to flag it up to 29.97fps (using the 25fps --> 29.97fps conversion).
  
• Mux the audio and video into a program stream, or author a DVD using the audio and video streams.
  

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LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\Avisynth 2.5\Plugins\DGDecode.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\Path\to\myFile.d2v")
LanczosResize(720,480)

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• The video frame rate does not have to change. This is the hardest part for these types of conversions, because it is what results in the video playing back jerky, or having a ghost effect.
  
• The audio no longer has to be re-encoded to 29.97 or 23.97 fps, thus elminating any synch issues.
  

thanks for the info, will give it a whirl later on today and post what happens

I've "stickied" this thread, hopefully people will spot the fucker before asking the same bloody question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

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Is there a program that will tell me if my mpeg file is pal or ntsc before I go through the process above? Also, what version of tmpgenc do I need cause the one I have, TMPGEnc-2.521.58.169-Plus, doesn't recognize the mpeg file (I have converted it from dat to mpeg file format). Any and all help is apreciated, thanks.

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Originally posted by foomanchew24
Is there a program that will tell me if my mpeg file is pal or ntsc before I go through the process above? Also, what version of tmpgenc do I need cause the one I have, TMPGEnc-2.521.58.169-Plus, doesn't recognize the mpeg file (I have converted it from dat to mpeg file format). Any and all help is apreciated, thanks.

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Thank you very much, and I solved the Tmpgenc problem so no I am in the process of trying out the above process. I'll let you guys know how it goes. Thanks for the help.

Edit: Well the above process works very well, although perhaps you skipped a few things, not sure though. DGIndex only demuxed (seperated) the audio and not the video for me. Not sure if it was supposed to do the video also. So I used tmpgenc to demux the video, then I resized it with tmpgenc and put it through dgpulldown and used dvd lab to author it and it worked great. Great way to keep the quality. Thanks alot!

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Originally posted by foomanchew24
Thank you very much, and I solved the Tmpgenc problem so no I am in the process of trying out the above process. I'll let you guys know how it goes. Thanks for the help.

Edit: Well the above process works very well, although perhaps you skipped a few things, not sure though. DGIndex only demuxed (seperated) the audio and not the video for me. Not sure if it was supposed to do the video also. So I used tmpgenc to demux the video, then I resized it with tmpgenc and put it through dgpulldown and used dvd lab to author it and it worked great. Great way to keep the quality. Thanks alot!

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I did this method and the movie didnt play smoothly. It didnt look bad but it just didnt look natural. Maybe its just me dunno.

BTW I did the same movie over but changed the fps in tmpenc settings and instead of leaving them and doing the dgpulldown thing and it came out perfect.

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Originally posted by ChuckLee
I did this method and the movie didnt play smoothly. It didnt look bad but it just didnt look natural. Maybe its just me dunno.

BTW I did the same movie over but changed the fps in tmpenc settings and instead of leaving them and doing the dgpulldown thing and it came out perfect.

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guys, I followed the directions. it didnt work.

heres the info about my movie its the herbie fully loaded by centropy.


480x576
25,000fps
Interlaced
Pal format.

I dont understand what the avisync thing is. pLease bear with me this is all new to me. I have the entire movie in a mpg file Iafter I added chapters to it with dvd lab. please help its driving me nuts!

thx man

I use Mainconcept v1.4.0 to convert Pal to NTSC (http://www.mainconcept.com/downloads.shtml)
I have been using this for over a year and have had flawless results. It's easy to use and displays video and audio information.

how muc hwas the program...the trial leaves a water mark.

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Originally posted by nykid
how muc hwas the program...the trial leaves a water mark.

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Re: the trial leaves a water mark.

Take a look in that place where you download your movies, there are scene releases of MainConcept.

**post edited by Neversoft to remove obvious "piracy help" :EMO: **

thanks for the info. I converted land of the dead with the above mentioned process and apparently in the action scenes it seems pixelated. not sure if its the method or the actual movie. I'll have ot check it out.

Re: pixelated

I use a seperate PC for all my encoding, if this isn't possible for you then i suggest you do it at a time that you won't be using the PCs resources. Gaming chatting listening to MP3s while encoding will cause inconsistency with your encodes.

I just checked my files..apparently any pal-ntsc conversion Im gettin alot of pixelation in the action scenes. whats going on?

I just did another movie and its the same thing?

guys..I was able to "find" mainconcept 1.4

let me tell you...its the best program I have used so far. Land of the dead and Dukes of Hazard came out FLAWLESS...thanks so much for the help..the pal to ntsc conversion took MUCH less time than tmpgenc and was much higher quality..

thanks!

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So what about with NTSC to PAL? Can anyone shed some light on that?

i just started using a program called ifoedit. it allows to change pal to ntsc without encoding and is done in under 5 minutes.

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thanks very much. very helpful info here.

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Originally posted by issacnewton
i just started using a program called ifoedit. it allows to change pal to ntsc without encoding and is done in under 5 minutes.

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I usually use the following script for PAL to NTSC conversions and don't get any stuttering video that I notice (I use CCE):

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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\LeakKernelDeint.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\UnDot.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\TomsMoComp.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\Path\myFile.d2v")
leakkernelbob(order=1,threshold=4)
changefps(60000,1001)
assumetff()
separatefields()
selectevery(4,0,3)
weave()
TomsMoComp(1,5,1)
Undot()
mergechroma(blur(1.3))
lanczosresize(720,480)

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I have used CONVERTXTODVD and it will convert just about any format into your choice of PAL or NTSC all you have to do is choose which format you want to convert to in the settings and depending on the length of the movie it authors it in within a a hour or so. Convertxtodvd also will allow you to encode several files at once for example if a movie was cut in 2 or 3 parts it will convert it into one dvd without having to merge the files. You also have your choice of advanced options as to output size, fps etc....

Here is a link to their site for your reading pleasure:
http://***.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/

Choppy Video and distorted audio

Can someone please give me some suggestions on how to properly convert xvid files to dvd files so they will play smoothly. Ive had a problem with The Hitcher 2006, Fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer, Mr. Brooks. When I converted the Xvid files to dvd the video looked like everyone had robotic movements. I took the fantastic 4 silver surfer and encoded it at 25 fps and resized the video to 720x480 , then I converted the encoded file with the resized video to dvd , and this seemed to fix the problem , but only after 4 tries. 3 times the dvd froze and the audio was not in sync with the video. The 4th time I tried it it worked. Im having the exact same problem with Mr Brooks. Can someone give me some sugesstions on how to convert without these problems? Software suggestions?

Re: Choppy Video and distorted audio

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Originally posted by DannnyRuel
Can someone please give me some suggestions on how to properly convert xvid files to dvd files so they will play smoothly. Ive had a problem with The Hitcher 2006, Fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer, Mr. Brooks. When I converted the Xvid files to dvd the video looked like everyone had robotic movements.

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Originally posted by DannnyRuel
I took the fantastic 4 silver surfer and encoded it at 25 fps and resized the video to 720x480 , then I converted the encoded file with the resized video to dvd , and this seemed to fix the problem , but only after 4 tries. 3 times the dvd froze and the audio was not in sync with the video.

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Originally posted by DannnyRuel
The 4th time I tried it it worked. Im having the exact same problem with Mr Brooks. Can someone give me some sugesstions on how to convert without these problems? Software suggestions?

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For the sake of completeness, I gotta add this.

I'd just like to point out that for some 25 fps sources, particularly R5s, that the video is in fact sped up, and thus the audio is what I term "lightly chipmunked". An easy way to tell (for non-cam-based sources anyway) is to compare the runtime of the file(s) you have with the runtime listed at IMDb. If the video runtime is shorter than the IMDb runtime, it's probably been sped up.*

If that's the case then you probably want to slow the movie down rather than do the conversion method described in the first post. The process is roughly similar: load the file up in DGIndex, then save a D2V file. You'll then want to make an AviSynth file nearly identical to the previous one, but with one minor addition:

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LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\Avisynth 2.5\Plugins\DGDecode.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\Path\to\myFile.d2v")
LanczosResize(720,480)
AssumeFPS(23.976)

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i cant believe all this time has gone by with all this demand that a conversion app hasnt been developed yet that leaves all the menues and features intact

but for now i will just use vob2mpg to make a compliant mpg and then let svcd2dvd convert it for me(pulldown method used).

..easy enough for a proven dong like me

::edit...if ifo edit is used will it fuck up the playback in a player that plays pal and ntsc?

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::edit...if ifo edit is used will it fuck up the playback in a player that plays pal and ntsc?

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Re: Easy PAL -> NTSC conversion...solution inside

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Originally posted by hoozdapimp
I know I've seen many threads on here asking how to convert from PAL to NTSC...I recently came across a very easy solution.

A typical workflow is as follows (assumes you are starting with PAL source material):

• Demux the video and audio streams.
  
• If the video is interlaced, deinterlace it to make it progressive. If it is already progressive, skip this step.
  
• Resize the video to 720x480.
  
• Encode the video to MPEG2 at 25fps progressive.
  
• Run DGPulldown on the video MPEG2 stream to flag it up to 29.97fps (using the 25fps --> 29.97fps conversion).
  
• Mux the audio and video into a program stream, or author a DVD using the audio and video streams.
  

Here is how I currently do this:
1) Run mpg/vob sete through DGIndex (this process usually takes about 1-2 minutes).
To do this open the file(s) with DGIndex and press F4, and choose the file to save it to. This will create a d2v file which you will use in step 2, and the demuxed audio file, which you will use in step 4).

2) Using whatever encoder you want to, re-encode the video size to 720x480 (note, make sure you do not change the frame rate). When using CCE or TMPGEnc, you can use the simple avisynth script such as:

Note: Make sure you replace the paths to correctly indicate where on your system your DGDecode.dll file is, and where you saved your d2v file to in step 1.

3) Once the video has been encoded, run the resized video file through DGPulldown and for the check the 25->29.97 box. DGPulldown can be downloaded here

4) Reauthor with original audio (which is extracted in step 1 using DGIndex), and the new video.

The advantages to this are:

• The video frame rate does not have to change. This is the hardest part for these types of conversions, because it is what results in the video playing back jerky, or having a ghost effect.
  
• The audio no longer has to be re-encoded to 29.97 or 23.97 fps, thus elminating any synch issues.
  

Enjoy!

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Re: Re: Easy PAL -> NTSC conversion...solution inside

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Originally posted by koby66
Maybe 5 years ago!!!!!!

If anyone go's through all this
trouble for PAL -> NTSC....
then you should not even be
in here,because you are Cluless!!!!!

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