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Posted by Rep- on 04-22-2004 07:45 AM:

Definitely better than the TCF, with much better colors. The sound is similar, not great, not bad. Pick this one up if you're interested in the film. 7/7/x

Posted by MoNoXiDe on 04-22-2004 07:50 AM:

Very Nice rls... colors are nice... sound is nice... all around good rls! 8/8/x... ty guys

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Posted by naptown on 04-22-2004 07:51 AM:

perrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty!
great pic
great colors
nice sound

8.5/8/7

:::EDIT::: btw, i watch the full tcf release, and i must say the proper reasons stated in the NFO ARE VALID!! this is the copy to get if you are interested in this movie.

Posted by firefighter on 04-22-2004 07:55 AM:

Im impressed , Gj iMPERIAL. Watched the sample vob included also with the sample and looks like this movie was already perfectly cropped. Colors look way better then TCF & framerate looks better. Some people say it sounds the same but this doesnt sound as mic'ish in my opinion. Nice proper.

Will rate when finished watching the movie.

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Posted by Mystic Slippe on 04-22-2004 08:13 AM:

Fair enough release. If you really must watch this dross, get this copy.

I do think it should have been VCD though...

7/7

Posted by XeroFightsAlo on 04-22-2004 08:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
I do think it should have been VCD though...

My thoughts exactly.

7/7/x

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Posted by firefighter on 04-22-2004 09:17 AM:

Well , i commented on quality - now im gonna comment on sheep baaaaaah

Seeing iMPERIAL's movie getting nuked *odd* places for reason: not.needed

Now lets look at the facts - PROPER usually means better right? Better quality , Better AR , Better Sound ..... among other things.

TCFs Copy - colors were washed , the frames were screwed, the picture was overall watchable but not nice. The Sound ... sounded a bit mic'ish and got bad at times during the movie.

iMPERIALs Copy - Colors were ok , Perfectly cropped , nice & clear , much better picture. The Sound ... resembles TCF's copy wont know if it gets good or bad till i watch the complete movie but sounds ok ... so far.

Now if the sound resembled each other - the frames were better on iMPERIALs , and the picture was much much better as it is .... sounds like a valid proper to me.

Now lets look back in Time ... ahhh a movie comes to mind - Hellboy! BAHA , MPT , Centropy all clearly *same sources* (unlike this movie - The Punisher ), what was the difference in them. Better Picture , Better Sound , Better Encoding. Wow Centropy didnt get nuked.

Which brings me to the point: (thinking to an nfo from BAHA 2 days ago SM3-VOB.NF0.nfo) Quote reason #3: "the scene still hates new groups"

I hate to say it but i will , Had this said -Centropy , -TCR on it or had iMPERIAL not propered "-TCF", they mighta stood a chance everywhere. Instead nukers love to hate new grps and even though this is clearly a much better copy then TCF - nuke it for not needed? pffff

No im not with iMPERIAL release grp. Im just tired of all the sheep nukers out there who need to go back to 10mb's.

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Posted by Debo on 04-22-2004 09:45 AM:

7/7/1
gay movie
the best part was when i hit my delete button

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Posted by BLUE-NEO on 04-22-2004 12:15 PM:

Just picked this up, got cd2 first cd1 downloading. skimming through and colors are great. Pic a little saturated but nice. Audio is right and strong. Saw a big russian in a candy cane shirt, skimming see one line of credits and off. Looks good. Can't judge the film haven't seen it. But looks a little above average. Might and might not be true to comic book. THE HULK WAS! AND IT SUCKED A MAJOR DIZZNICK!

Overal IMPERIAL GREAT WORK.

8/8/?

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Posted by Logo-uTc on 04-22-2004 12:32 PM:

GOOD FOR NOW

This is a pretty good Rls video is ok a little bright but overall good... sound is also good.. this is a watchable rls .... maybe someone like TCR would release one that looks like the whole 10 yards that would be cool this movie need that kind of quality

7/7/??

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Posted by cazuk on 04-22-2004 01:55 PM:

7/7/5 - movie sucks

Posted by Chino XL on 04-22-2004 03:42 PM:

good quality... nice colors. pretty direct sound.. overall nice release.. not up to par with TCR or VideoCD but still pretty nice

Posted by Justferfun on 04-22-2004 07:03 PM:

arg....everytime I just finish downloading one version a better one comes out....is this one worth the .5 rating difference :\ or should I stick with my TCF until a screener (if its even worth it)

Posted by NeVeRLiFt on 04-22-2004 07:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by firefighter
TCFs Copy - colors were washed , the frames were screwed, the picture was overall watchable but not nice. The Sound ... sounded a bit mic'ish and got bad at times during the movie.

Nothing the contrast/brightness and saturation could not fix.

And there was nothing wrong with the fps

23.97fps is FILM. 25fps is PAL and 29.97 is NTCS.

TCF could have been better.

Posted by huggy on 04-22-2004 09:00 PM:

Can we have your views on the film quality and not on what you think of the film. As, we can decide for ourselves if we like it or not. This site is to give your opinion of the quality of the release and not for knowing if you liked it or not. THANK YOU!!

I thought the quality was decent both sound and pic. Worth viewing.

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7/7/1
gay movie
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Posted by nfg05 on 04-22-2004 09:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by huggy
Can we have your views on the film quality and not on what you think of the film. As, we can decide for ourselves if we like it or not. This site is to give your opinion of the quality of the release and not for knowing if you liked it or not. THANK YOU!!

Note the movie rating system is video quality/ audio quality / MOVIE quality so I think discussion about whether or not the movie is good is definitely on topic. I visit the site to check out the quality of a release AND peoples' opinions on the movie. That being said:

7/7/x

Posted by bcool2k on 04-22-2004 10:00 PM:

Wow man, I agree with Firefighter a 110%.. I saw this in the theatres first, so I wanted to wait for a very good watchable rls.. And yes TCF had a watchable rls, so props for being first.. However, this is some of Imperial's finest work.. I can't believe their rls right b4 this was Never Die Alone PROPER.. This is a true PROPER.. Good frame rate.. Excellent Color and Sound.. No tilt.. Direct Audio.. Will do me till Screener of better.. As for the movie.. Its actually pretty damn good if u actually read or have read the Punisher.. the Punisher is a Vigilante out for justice, Not a SuperPowers super hero.. and the actor portrays the voice and character right Absolutely no need for a NUKE.. Grow up PPL. If u wanna see this rls.. get this one.. IF not, stop complaining. Mega Props to Imperial for this awesome proper!!!

8/8/8

Posted by lo.pro on 04-22-2004 11:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by firefighter
Well , i commented on quality - now im gonna comment on sheep baaaaaah :p

Seeing iMPERIAL's movie getting nuked *odd* places for reason: not.needed

Now lets look at the facts - PROPER usually means better right? Better quality , Better AR , Better Sound ..... among other things.

TCFs Copy - colors were washed , the frames were screwed, the picture was overall watchable but not nice. The Sound ... sounded a bit mic'ish and got bad at times during the movie.

iMPERIALs Copy - Colors were ok , Perfectly cropped , nice & clear , much better picture. The Sound ... resembles TCF's copy wont know if it gets good or bad till i watch the complete movie but sounds ok ... so far.

Now if the sound resembled each other - the frames were better on iMPERIALs , and the picture was much much better as it is .... sounds like a valid proper to me.

Now lets look back in Time ... ahhh a movie comes to mind - Hellboy! BAHA , MPT , Centropy all clearly *same sources* (unlike this movie - The Punisher ), what was the difference in them. Better Picture , Better Sound , Better Encoding. Wow Centropy didnt get nuked.

Which brings me to the point: (thinking to an nfo from BAHA 2 days ago SM3-VOB.NF0.nfo) Quote reason #3: "the scene still hates new groups"

I hate to say it but i will , Had this said -Centropy , -TCR on it or had iMPERIAL not propered "-TCF", they mighta stood a chance everywhere. Instead nukers love to hate new grps and even though this is clearly a much better copy then TCF - nuke it for not needed? pffff

No im not with iMPERIAL release grp. Im just tired of all the sheep nukers out there who need to go back to 10mb's.

this isn't exactly true. sites need not (and should not) accept a proper simply because it's 'better'.

any group could take way more time & make a release better and thereby lose a race. but sites should nuke any 'proper' which is released unless they have previously nuked the release being propered, or unless the nfo for the proper brings up a previously unrecognized problem with the original release.

you are wrong in assuming that 'PROPER' means 'better'. PROPER means "the previous release was nukable, this one isn't". (for instance, you said "proper means better AR"... but AR isn't "better", it's either right or it isn't. bad AR is nukable, and justifies a PROPER.) if a site thinks that a release has poor quality, they can nuke it for poor quality, and wait for a PROPER. but just accepting every release that comes along until a better one is released makes for a ton of releases of every flick. also it's not fair to the group that released the original version, that was accepted, to be nuked 1x days later for quality, nor is it fair to the couriers who raced the original. if a site decides that a release is good enough not to be nuked, then it should nuke all future releases in that category, unless a PROPER is released with something in the nfo that identifies a nukeworthy problem with the previous release that went unnoticed.

the correct label for a release that is thought to have better quality than a previous, unnuked release is iNTERNAL.

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Posted by firefighter on 04-22-2004 11:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by lo.pro
this isn't exactly true. sites need not (and should not) accept a proper simply because it's 'better'.
the correct label for a release that is thought to have better quality than a previous, unnuked release is iNTERNAL.

I agree with you on alot of your points , but then again i have to disagree with you on alot of points.

Im gonan go off topic of this movie a bit as its a prime example - yet refers to the exact same scenario.
Hellboy.SVCD.Repack.TS-MPT
Hellboy.SVCD.TS-Centropy
For Starters - Centropy did NOT iNTERNAL or PROPER MPT yet was not nuked. Their reasons were in nfo quote:
Oversized, interlaced, whatever. Slightly better .. to the MAX!
Well the REPACK of MPT's wasnt oversized. Interlaced was a cop out cause it said -MPT. So the reason for Centropy to release was basically .... " whatever. Slightly better .. to the MAX! "
Slightly Better? The Picture & The Sound was slightly better gotta give them that yes. It was the EXACT same source as the previous 2 copies out just better encoded. But yet Centropy did not get nuked.

I agree with you on the point about another grp can take the same "source" and encode it better and use that as a "PROPER", then we got 6 TS's of the exact same movie which gets old fast.

iMPERIAL included a .vob Sample with their .mpg Sample to prove it wasnt same source as TCF. TCF quality picture & sound was off & not up to par with the TS's we been getting spoilt with latley. Also a reason for that - they messed up encoding - which can do wonders. (frames prove that point). Now iMPERIAL releases a different source - much better TS but got nuked *odd* places.

Now we got a double standard here & brings me to the "nukers love to hate new groups". Centropy doesnt get nuked but iMPERIAL does. I *hate* compairing grps as i think its great what all grps bring / release . But comeon - double standards here thats getting worse & worse each day.

My opinion - iMPERIAL's copy was better , picture , sound , framerate .... and gonna stick with it.

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Posted by lo.pro on 04-23-2004 12:31 AM:

i agree that the same should hold true of ctp. you can read my thoughts on that subject here: http://www.vcdquality.com/forum/sho...5768#post115768

but i still feel the same about what is 'proper' and what should be 'internal'. the fact that ctp doesn't follow this standard is a comment on them, and on sites that allow this to happen, not on the labelling convention itself.

Posted by commiewhore on 04-24-2004 02:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by firefighter
Well , i commented on quality - now im gonna comment on sheep baaaaaah

Seeing iMPERIAL's movie getting nuked *odd* places for reason: not.needed

Now lets look at the facts - PROPER usually means better right? Better quality , Better AR , Better Sound ..... among other things.

TCFs Copy - colors were washed , the frames were screwed, the picture was overall watchable but not nice. The Sound ... sounded a bit mic'ish and got bad at times during the movie.

iMPERIALs Copy - Colors were ok , Perfectly cropped , nice & clear , much better picture. The Sound ... resembles TCF's copy wont know if it gets good or bad till i watch the complete movie but sounds ok ... so far.

Now if the sound resembled each other - the frames were better on iMPERIALs , and the picture was much much better as it is .... sounds like a valid proper to me.

Now lets look back in Time ... ahhh a movie comes to mind - Hellboy! BAHA , MPT , Centropy all clearly *same sources* (unlike this movie - The Punisher ), what was the difference in them. Better Picture , Better Sound , Better Encoding. Wow Centropy didnt get nuked.

Which brings me to the point: (thinking to an nfo from BAHA 2 days ago SM3-VOB.NF0.nfo) Quote reason #3: "the scene still hates new groups"

I hate to say it but i will , Had this said -Centropy , -TCR on it or had iMPERIAL not propered "-TCF", they mighta stood a chance everywhere. Instead nukers love to hate new grps and even though this is clearly a much better copy then TCF - nuke it for not needed? pffff

No im not with iMPERIAL release grp. Im just tired of all the sheep nukers out there who need to go back to 10mb's.

speaking as someone who watched both releases...there is nothing wrong with the TCF version...remember this is a proper of a TELESYNC...only thing that should have propered the TCF version would have been TELECINE SCREENER OR DVDSCR OR DVD ....now yea i am sometimes a fan of the SVCD CTP rlses days later than other rlses, only when they are needed. but the TCF version is WAY MORE THAN watcheable , on tv, xbox, or even pc. There really was no need for this. Now if they came out with say a tru proper to Kill Bill , since for 6 mins in cd2 of TCR rls the reel flicks over and over, and in the VideoCD proper all the words are centered at the end cause its cropped to shit and stretched. Now that is a movie, that would deserve a proper. but this movie does not. so i can understand why it got nuked. Sheep nukers are a problem, i wont disagree, but yea nice job IMPERIAL on the rls, but you were too late..after sws made a shitty rls, TCF was perfect...shit if you compare TCF and IMPERIAL, the AR is exact, IMPERIAL's is cropped correctly prolly casue they had more time, and has more saturation in the color...shit this could even be the same silver. Cleaning up the audio and video wouldnt be hard if it was same source as TCF, you know its a silver....since their requests in the nfo make that known, and when was the last time you saw TCF camming alot, they prolly had the same. so its not impossible to be same source just cleaned up correctly.

as for the rls

7 = audio
7 = video
8 = movie

first let me say.. this movie was fucking exactly what it should have been. if any of you read the comic, i was disturbed at first that he only had one kid in the movie, cause i wasnt sure how that would effect when his family was killed, its sooo hollywood to make it one kid instead of two cause it means more to the audience...but then...well then there was the SLAUGHTER!!! of the entire family...which by far was an intense scene, especially the part with the car running them down...i mean shit, they even showed it as much as they could. AMAZING folks....really cool setup, and for people thinking ..OMG THIS IS SOO UNBELIEVABLE , OMG THIS COULDNT BE LIKE THIS, HOW DOES HE DO THAT ?....answer he is the muther fucking punisher..read the comic.. he is a Senior LT of the fucking FBI, you think he has never shot a sawed off shotgun before, even one handed ? i mean come on people, he was train undercover killer. he knew everything of weapons, and im glad none of that shit was wasted for explaination in the movie...you just should know...THE PUNISHER WAS A BAD ASS...this is almost better than the original with Dolph Lundgren...mainly cause there is no nudity shot in the sewer.. then the russian..oh man, that screams comic book...the entire movie was like reading a comic, the bantor was perfect, the extra characters aka his neighbors were just as sappy in the movie as they were in the book...and guess what it had sometthing WAYYY OVER HELL BOY

good actors, playing WELL in depth charcters, ones you can relate to a bit and ones you actually want to watch...hellboy lacked the casting completely, every time someone was on screen it was terrible, the acting was piss poor the bantor was second rated, followed up by ACTION sequences ..."Red means Stop" ...come on...thats not comic book, thats not LEGENDARY HEROES wanting to be HEROES, its Hellboy made to look like Blade but with a team of EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN....i was extremely upset, even since the comic creator helped out greatly on the movie...it was still bad...so anyone who wants to get off the critics dicks on that movie...trust me, if you read the comic, it wasnt good, the comic was goofy with some seriousness but always with a good smile...but the casting for the movie was terrible..completely wrongly casted, along with his team members that were almost llike jerry's kids on stage...even the C3P0 look alike robot voice was bad...just didnt work with the the settings, RAsputin was cheesy as hell looking along with his VOLDO like 2nd in command..i mean shit, you dont have to make the movie for kids, just cause its based on a comic...we will see real genius when Frank Miller brings us Sin City...be afraid folks...FRANKIE IS THE MAN when it comes to writing...pz enjoy the punisher

Posted by commiewhore on 04-24-2004 03:02 AM:

I had to continue the post, cause i completely forgot the best part of this movie...well i forgot to elaborate how good the death was in the beginning. There is so much death in the first 10 mins of the film, they dont just kill 1 10yr old kid, they kill like 8 of them and an entire family..and they show you the kids faces before the guns go off in them...like shit like that isnt really shown too much in comic films, and im glad they didnt dumb the violence down for this flick..shit if any of you even read the comic, the War Journal and the Christmas special where he knifes a villian dressed as santa clause..ALONE are amazing comics...some of the best.. violent, dark, and explosive...doin this in the film allows for an anything goes premise in the movie...you just watched a family and 10 yr old kids slaughtered..you have no idea what this man would do...if you were in his position, you would prolly do the same...the next scene is ridden with whether or not he kills a stooly, lets him live, or burns him to death...the whole movie is like that, you just dont know what he will do...shit even when he fights with the russian, he gets his ass kicked, untill he is knocked into the neighbor's ...DIRECTLY looks at the hot neighbor and the other two losers who admire him, and just has this "fuck this, i gotta save some face look" and boom he is kicking ass...FOLKS THATS A COMIC BOOK, FOLKS THATS A MOVIE...THAT MY FRIENDS IS MARVEL!

Posted by lo.pro on 04-24-2004 07:57 AM:

quote:
speaking as someone who watched both releases...there is nothing wrong with the TCF version...remember this is a proper of a TELESYNC...only thing that should have propered the TCF version would have been TELECINE SCREENER OR DVDSCR OR DVD ...

those wouldn't proper it either, because they're in a different release category. only a TS can proper another TS.

Posted by playstationer on 04-24-2004 05:15 PM:

Excellent quality thanks iMPERiAL

8/8/8

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Posted by KillMePlz on 04-24-2004 10:35 PM:

This Release is under rated!

This is a really good release. Don't judge it just because the movie wasn't what you were expecting. It's the freaking Punisher FFS! The story is sposse to be like that, dark, stale, aboding. If you were expecting Xmen or Blade, forget it. Thats why it's getting slammed by anybody and everybody with a pen and a pot to piss in, cause thats what they are writing like, pissin' all over this film. If any of those guys read Dark Horse comics, or even a Punisher comic from Marvel would know this was true to form.
For the movie the pic was the best! Better than most of the "perfect ones".

Why only 7's for sound and pic?
9/8/8
Definitely better than Kill Bill 2 from the other groups.

Posted by dalton4life on 04-25-2004 06:25 AM:

This is quite possibly the least needed proper ever. It's same source with a slightly better enocde and AR. The sample shows it's the same source because both versions have the same tape pop right before the guy asks Castle where's he's been. At least this is better than the TCF version but not by much. I thought it was enjoyable action flick. Thomas Jane's portrayal was pretty dead on for how I evisioned The Punisher being as real life person. It would have been cool if he was a little bigger like Dolph Lundgren but he was still good. Marvel gets it right once again.

8/7/8

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Posted by xenomorph on 04-26-2004 11:15 PM:

quite interesting reading this thread, reading everyones views, i think everyone has made some interesting points, but at the end of the day the this is a good release, audio is good and pic also (if not slightly grainy)

7.5/7/8

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Posted by concius on 04-27-2004 12:48 AM:

audio - 6
video - 7
movie - 5

better than other releases out there but still not a great flix

Posted by Felix-the-cat on 04-27-2004 02:35 AM:

RATING

Just finised watching the movie and i must give to 7.2/7.5/8

color was ok a bit dark at parts, audio was good too.

keep up the good work

I liked the movies even though they putchered the story how his family was murdered.. but it was a nice release

Hope they keep then atleast that this level instead of 2.5 type releases

FELIX

Posted by sunploded on 04-27-2004 07:51 PM:

the colors are either red or orange, but can be fixed... liked the movie alot
8/8/8

Posted by KLashNekkOff on 04-28-2004 02:49 PM:

definately the best of the three releases so far, mainly as the audio is direct, solving the problems of the sWs release.

picture - still pixellated, not nearly as seriously as before, colours are much better, however it is a little dark.

audio - sweet, pretty direct, a mile better than the sWs rip, thank god!!

movie - really liked it, see my sWs post for my full feelings on this film

7/8/9

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Posted by firefighter on 04-29-2004 07:16 PM:

i agree commiewhore - this movie was alot better then recent Marvel Comic's played out on the big screen latley. My Still fav's are Spiderman & X-Men . Overall i was expecting another hollywood disapointment like Hellboy , The Hulk , DareDevil, League of Extrodinary Gentelmen, trying to make a quick $$$ off of a well liked comic hero. I read alot of "The Punisher" comics as a kid and i thought this movie was played out pretty good. Only thing that didnt seem "believeable" was his healing time - he wasnt like "Wolverine" in "X-Men" where he gets hurt & heals seconds later. Some of the scenes in this movie he took a shit kicking ie: The Russian guy who beat the hell outta him but yet later on he still went out & kicked some ass. The Movie in general was pretty good played out towards to comics and enjoyable , not a favorite Marvel comic movie but still way better then the crap hollywood has been producing the last two years.

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Posted by coat on 04-30-2004 01:08 AM:

I haven't seen the other 2 of this one but I would say this is a fair ts. A little blurry sound is good

7/8/??

Posted by target on 05-05-2004 12:54 PM:

loved it...good. movie.
had some problems with cd2 tho...
some pixelation and skips...
well...maybe it was my burning...

7/8/9

loved the movie.

about the violence....well...there is some violence..
but nothing like you havent seen.
especially in the beginning, most of it goes in your head...
as you dont see it explicitly...(vcd that is..since i havent been able to watch a fuckin dubbed version in the german theatre yet...lol)

Posted by sunup187 on 05-10-2004 05:26 PM:

this quality wasnt too bad a pair of 7's i'd say. and for the movie i thought it was good, exspecially when the russian dude which was Kevin Nash from wwf/wcw, kicks his ass. one of the good moments hah, good fight.

Posted by rawgwar on 05-10-2004 11:16 PM:

I thought the sound was a bit better, video was clean with no slow frames etc. The movie overall was alright, but not too exciting.

7.3/8/6

Posted by evestor on 05-11-2004 12:22 AM:

Pretty much straight "blah" release.
Watchable, but nothing spectacular. I did like the movie though.
Bout damn time a Marvel movie was darker and not afraid to be mean-spirited. The Punisher isnt nice, and isn't depicted as being so here.

6/6/8

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Posted by Miller on 07-11-2004 05:50 PM:

video is a little blue and grannie. sounds pretty good. alot better the previouse release but now their is DVDscr out so this kind pointless

7/7/8

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