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Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 06:29 AM:

Party Poker

Is party poker corrupt?

I heard it was but laughed off the rumours.

But losing out to fuckin ridiculous fuckin things (dunno the correct word)

e.g. i've got 2 jacks other guy (pc) has 2 jacks he gets flush

i've got 2 aces he (pc) has 2 6's (all in) and gets 6 on river.

etc
etc

etc

a quick look on google suggests they are corrupt fuckers

thoughts?

Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 06:37 AM:

They were probably bad beats or whatever you call them but can these poker rooms be open to coruption?

Posted by baha on 11-16-2008 07:07 AM:

Every single one is crooked.

You only get straight cards in big money events, no matter what the site.

Guaranteed on Pokerstars that if you're chip lead in a sit and go you can go all in on a 2-7o and you'll get a full house. I've made use of the knowledge a few times.

But on the sunday million, PS's big weekly event, you get straight cards, it can go 4 or 5 hands with high card winning and 20 hands with nothing better than a pair or 2 pair winning the hand. Play a small money event and guaranteed there'll be 4 pocket pairs and a straight on the flop beaten by a flush on the river every other hand

And I don't know that any regulatory body exists. There is a fairly recent case of a site owner who was playing and cheating on his own site!!! (Mate at work has the details, I'll post on Monday, but you can probably google it.)

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Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 03:20 PM:

Dirty cheating bastards.

I'm going to have to stop playing sit and goes and do a bit more research on google.

Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-16-2008 06:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by baha
Every single one is crooked.

And I don't know that any regulatory body exists. There is a fairly recent case of a site owner who was playing and cheating on his own site!!! (Mate at work has the details, I'll post on Monday, but you can probably google it.)

Ultimate bet was the name of the site. Not trying to call you out or anything but I just can't understand how you would know that "every single one is crooked." I play on Full Tilt and I see absolutely no difference whatsoever between the beats on that site and live casino games. Usually the people that complain about internet poker being rigged are losing players.

Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-16-2008 06:27 PM:

Re: Party Poker

quote:
Originally posted by takwhori
Is party poker corrupt?

I heard it was but laughed off the rumours.

But losing out to fuckin ridiculous fuckin things (dunno the correct word)

e.g. i've got 2 jacks other guy (pc) has 2 jacks he gets flush

i've got 2 aces he (pc) has 2 6's (all in) and gets 6 on river.

thoughts?

There is nothing strange about these bad beats. I've suffered worse in live play. Pocket aces aren't magic cards, you know. I have seen lower pairs crack aces plenty of times. They are about 77% favourite heads up depending on the hand they are against. 77% != 100%

Posted by baha on 11-16-2008 06:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Ultimate bet was the name of the site. Not trying to call you out or anything but I just can't understand how you would know that "every single one is crooked."

Fair enough. Every single one I've played is...pokerstars, partypoker, betfair poker, pokerroom, pacific poker, a couple of others as well

I'm no poker guru, but you get a fair idea of when cards are running for you and against you. I'm a complete wanker when I have someone dominated on chips and I'll call on some absolute shit...and I know in a straight game that 90% of the hands I stay in on and end up donking a win on would never come in...but chip lead on any of the above sites will see you take out anyone with a stack less than 4x or 5x the bb about 90% of the time.

Never played full tilt, I'll take your word for it that the Hendon mob run a straight game.

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Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-16-2008 07:02 PM:

I have been on the ipoker network before and I feel that Full Tilt is much better at simulating live play. The software is nice and there is a great bonus. If you ever join up, pm me. Maybe we could organise a vcdquality tourney.

Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 07:54 PM:

Re: Re: Party Poker

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
There is nothing strange about these bad beats. I've suffered worse in live play. Pocket aces aren't magic cards, you know. I have seen lower pairs crack aces plenty of times. They are about 77% favourite heads up depending on the hand they are against. 77% != 100%

I know they aren't magic cards. I was ranting cause i lost.
(bad loser)

Posted by Vampire on 11-16-2008 08:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Maybe we could organise a vcdquality tourney.

Already been done on Full Tilt but I reckon it's about time we did another one.

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Posted by David Cameron on 11-16-2008 09:20 PM:

Who won the last one?

... Must have been me

Posted by takwhori on 11-17-2008 05:20 AM:

I started playing FTP tonight and on my 3rd game won out of 18 players.
Ok i only won $36 because i'm playing low limit till i get better.

2 things.

On party poker you can just click the end of slider bar to go up in increments and on FTP it makes you go all in.
There doesn't seem to be a way other than grabbing the bar and sliding it for it to go up in increments.

also when i finish a tournament in party poker i can get hand history emailed to me but it doesn't seem as if this happens on FTP.

BTW i use texas calulatem for odds. it helps but you've also got to bluff and get lucky.

do any of you cunts use poker tools?

Posted by baha on 11-17-2008 10:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by takwhori
BTW i use texas calulatem for odds. it helps but you've also got to bluff and get lucky.

do any of you cunts use poker tools?

Used to use calculatem a few years ago, but then it stopped working on pstars. Eventually I stopped using it cos I stuck to pstars more than any other site and I found calculatem was taking over my natural game. I don't know if it's got any cleverer, but it always used to stop me playing position and assessing the strength of stacks. [I don't mean literally 'stopped', just put me off.]

Played the sunday million ($1.5m) and the 500 ($500k) on ps yesterday. Cost me about $150 to qualify for them, walked away with about $450 in place money. Never managed to build a decent stack in either game

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Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-17-2008 10:32 AM:

On the main page, Options- Bet Slider options.

Options- Hand History.

Get some poker books before you pay for any tools. Harrington's books on Tourney and cash games are the best around.

I use Poker tracker and Poker Stove. Also check out Chris Ferguson's article on bankroll management. Follow his advice closely or if you find it a little on the conservative side, there are plenty of other articles on the net.

Posted by yoshy on 11-17-2008 11:09 AM:

I am a member of an online team.

Maybe we could organise something

I tried those gimmicks but It only guides you, you have to incorporate thinking into the equation.

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who never did,
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and who always will.
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Posted by takwhori on 11-17-2008 12:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
On the main page, Options- Bet Slider options.

Options- Hand History.

Get some poker books before you pay for any tools. Harrington's books on Tourney and cash games are the best around.

I use Poker tracker and Poker Stove. Also check out Chris Ferguson's article on bankroll management. Follow his advice closely or if you find it a little on the conservative side, there are plenty of other articles on the net.

I've read a couple of poker books but need to read more.

I didn't pay for Calculatem, I got it free when I signed up for Party poker and used promotion code, also I used code for free Poker Office when I signed up to Full Tilt. (I just need to get 100 FTP points.)

Posted by Ekno on 11-17-2008 03:11 PM:

Everybody knows that they are corrupted, the house always wins and they have their ways. If you are good at math then you know that computers can't do random. It's all arranged.

Posted by takwhori on 11-23-2008 02:50 PM:

Played 4 tournaments today.

Played a hi lo by accident and typed I didn't have a clue what i was doing (they probably thought i was kidding on) but i was winning (i didn't have a clue, fuckin hi and fuckin low, what's all that about?) some guy said he was recording it cause a guy folded to me on river when he had about 80 chips left. that sad bastard should really get out more.

played a rebuy by accident too and couldn't be arsed with it, it seems to be more like poker on xbox 360, every cunt going all in all the time.

played another 2

out of 4 i got put out 3 times when i went all in and was winning until that slimy fucked up shitty river.

cunts

Posted by David Cameron on 11-23-2008 05:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ekno
Everybody knows that they are corrupted, the house always wins and they have their ways. If you are good at math then you know that computers can't do random. It's all arranged.

If you tried experience instead of blind guessing you would know that you don't actually play against the house in poker. House takes their cut before game starts.

Know whereof you speak.

Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-23-2008 11:11 PM:

Yup, and in cash games (which I mostly play) they make their money from the rake. The the random number generator that full tilt uses is independently accredited and is about as close to random as a computer can get at the moment. I consistently make a modest profit playing ring cash games. I'm also studying Math and Physics at Uni so yes, Ekno, I know a little, ty.

Posted by takwhori on 11-24-2008 12:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Yup, and in cash games (which I mostly play) they make their money from the rake. The the random number generator that full tilt uses is independently accredited and is about as close to random as a computer can get at the moment. I consistently make a modest profit playing ring cash games. I'm also studying Math and Physics at Uni so yes, Ekno, I know a little, ty.

So what you're saying is poker card dealt are not totally random?

Posted by takwhori on 11-24-2008 01:53 AM:

OK i won't say any more on my bad beats but

just got 3rd place and had a full house aces and 5's other guy had aces and jacks.

anyway got something back.

cunts

stupid game

Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-24-2008 08:33 AM:

Full Tilt Random Number Generator

This cannot be cracked by some l33t haxor, not in your lifetime. People will use any excuse rather than face up to the fact that they are poor players. I suffer the same bad beats as these players. I'm no Phil Ivey but I play a solid game. I'm a profitable player in cash games and a break even one at tourneys at the moment. Why is it different for me or all the other profitable players playing online poker?

Posted by yoshy on 11-24-2008 10:49 AM:

Kids.............

play smart and you win ;; win more times than you lose............

FFS

Posted by takwhori on 11-24-2008 12:02 PM:

I'm pretty sure games are not rigged and i'm fairly sure I'm a bit crap at the moment but not as crap as i was 3 months ago.

I've started using Pokeroffice. It looks pretty complicated but has loads of potential. I'm going to play really low limit till i get the hang of it.

It shows opponents cards on river if he calls then mucks. (this is allowed in rules of poker but you would have to go through hand history to see it)

Posted by GrInDi on 11-24-2008 12:57 PM:

the potripper videos are pretty good on you tube i believe, i believe that was done on absoulte poker though, and not party poker, i stick to facebook poker it is free!

Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-28-2008 02:33 PM:

Have been running pretty well in sit and go's for the past few days. Playing 4 tables this morning, connection dies. I was chip leader at 2 of the tables. Its rigged I tell ya.

Posted by steakknife03 on 11-28-2008 02:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Ultimate bet was the name of the site. Not trying to call you out or anything but I just can't understand how you would know that "every single one is crooked." I play on Full Tilt and I see absolutely no difference whatsoever between the beats on that site and live casino games. Usually the people that complain about internet poker being rigged are losing players.

UB and AP where the two that got caught out there's a 60 minutes show about it this Sunday. I got an email from UB recently letting me know I had been scammed and I got a refund.
Here's the email

As you may be aware, we have recently been engaged in an on-going investigation of allegations of unfair play at UltimateBet. The investigation determined that the cheating scheme was active and fully underway well before we purchased UltimateBet in October 2006. Furthermore, no one implicated in the cheating had ever been an employee of UltimateBet or of Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, UltimateBet's current parent company. Consequently, we have been pursuing claims related to the cheating scandal against the previous owner of UltimateBet, Excapsa Software.

On November 3, 2008, the Ontario Superior Court of Justice approved a settlement of our claims against Excapsa Software. Under the terms of this settlement, Excapsa will pay Blast-Off Ltd., the Tokwiro-controlled company that originally acquired UltimateBet an amount of US$15 million. We intend to apply this settlement to the final round of refunds to customers who were victims of the cheating scheme. This favorable outcome before the courts validates our claims against UltimateBet's previous ownership with respect to the cheating scandal. We are very pleased with this outcome that benefits both our customers and our company.

Our investigation has concluded that your account XXXXXXX was victimized by the cheater. This account has been refunded for any losses against accounts associated with unfair play.

"Net loss" is the sum of the money that you lost to the accounts in question minus the sum of the money you won from them. On this basis, we have calculated that you are entitled to a refund in the amount of $XXXXX. If you have any questions about the refund process, please write to us at [email protected] or call (1.888.200.2933).

We want to express to you our sincere gratitude for your patience, loyalty, support, and your understanding that Tokwiro has acted, and continues to do everything it can to correct this situation. We also want to reiterate Tokwiro's and UltimateBet's commitment to providing a safe and secure environment for our players and our unwavering resolve to monitor our site security with every resource at our disposal.

Since the cheating was exposed in early 2008, we have worked tirelessly to understand what happened and how it happened; to ensure that it could never happen again; to refund our customers for their illegitimate losses at UltimateBet; and to pursue our claims against the former ownership that sold Tokwiro a business that exposed Tokwiro and our customers to illicit activity. With the November 3 Ontario Court decision in our favor, our claims against Excapsa are settled and our refunds to you and to all UltimateBet players who were affected by unfair play will be completed. This concludes our efforts for justice and compensation for Tokwiro and our customers affected by this cheating scandal.

Thank you for your understanding and support.

The UltimateBet Team

Posted by Neversoft on 11-28-2008 05:31 PM:

If you don't want to reveal the exact refund amount, at least give us a clue... Was it a minor rip-off or did the scammers butt-fuck you?

Posted by steakknife03 on 11-28-2008 09:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
If you don't want to reveal the exact refund amount, at least give us a clue... Was it a minor rip-off or did the scammers butt-fuck you?

Minor.. ah fuck it was around a grand but I heard about one guy who got a refund of 250K don't how true that is but he was high roller so probably was. Couple of other lads I know got smaller amount most out of them was 15K. It was more than likely I got done playing pot limit Omaha cash games, but it would leave you wondering did I get done for more. It was a nice suprise as I'm not playing much anymore lost all patience with the game.

Here a link to the story
Link
Link2

Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-29-2008 02:45 PM:

Yep, cheating is possible from within but one or two sites does not implicate the rest. The bigger sites make millions each year. It's not in their interest to cheat. I'm not saying it's impossible but I'd be very surprised if they were.

Posted by David Cameron on 11-30-2008 01:38 AM:

Anyone played in The Nuts Poker league?

The big final was today, guess who won?

My mate Luke.(
From this thread )

Guess who came second?

His dad.

Lol. Out of all those thousands of people who play this around the country and 1st and 2nd place are father and son.

Posted by takwhori on 11-30-2008 08:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Anyone played in The Nuts Poker league?

The big final was today, guess who won?

My mate Luke.(
From this thread )

Guess who came second?

His dad.

Lol. Out of all those thousands of people who play this around the country and 1st and 2nd place are father and son.

Now maybe if you named dropped Geoge Clooney or Uma Thurma, I might be slightly impessed.

"My mate luke" hasn't got the same gravitas.

Oh and when you come back with witty reply and i don't respond in kind it's not because i can't think of a retort, it's because i can't be arsed.

Posted by steakknife03 on 12-01-2008 07:14 PM:

Here's a link to the full 60 minutes show

Link

Posted by David Cameron on 12-01-2008 08:53 PM:

Got his Bro to send me a pic of them at the final table. The silver fox at the end of the table is Pete, his dad who came second, gotta love that porn star moustache.

Posted by David Cameron on 12-01-2008 08:55 PM:

Asked for a pic of him with his trophy too. You can hardly tell he has a trophy in his hands because it's see through and just magnifies his t-shirt slogan but its definitely there

Posted by David Cameron on 12-01-2008 09:00 PM:

Also. Takwhori. I asked George Clooney for some photo's of him winning a poker tournament but the sad bastard has never won one so I told him he couldn't be my mate anymore.

Twat.

Posted by David Cameron on 12-04-2008 09:54 PM:

Aweww don't they look cute

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