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Posted by 404notfound on 07-27-2004 08:47 PM:

The RULES! I'm going to post these rules as much as possible so there is no excuse. (You should have read them by now!) Fall out of line and you are gone.

1 NO REQUESTING (This is obvious. Ask and get banned)

2 NO SLAGGING OFF OTHER USERS. I am fucking sick to death of people slagging each other off. Stick to rating the quality and note any problems you feel with the release. SLAG OFF OTHER USERS AND I WILL BAN YOU!

3 I do not want to hear any shit about "Ooooh. Where's Centropy/Video CD" or "I'll wait for Centropy/VIDEO CD"

4 If you cant abide by the above rules. GET THE FUCK OUT. Nobody wants you here!

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Posted by Rep- on 07-27-2004 08:52 PM:

the video is alright, but not that good. a little dark in some of the sample. the sound is pretty crappy. the movie is pretty good though.
7/5/9


Posted by tr1pp1n on 07-27-2004 08:54 PM:

hmmmm, release is decent but unwarrented, probably why its internal, not quite as good as mavens, but if the quality of all future releases from groups stays at this level i will be more than content...

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Posted by Koolice on 07-27-2004 08:56 PM:

well if it looks almost as good as maven's and has the subtitles in english, it might be worth it.


Posted by exorcist on 07-27-2004 08:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by tr1pp1n
hmmmm, release is decent but unwarrented, probably why its internal, not quite as good as mavens, but if the quality of all future releases from groups stays at this level i will be more than content...


Being able to understand plot > Movie quality.

Maven's has french subtitles, so if you don't speak Russian, and a couple other languages, or know how to read french then you missed a lot.

The video on this release is perfect good. I'd give it about a 8, but the audio is indeed worse. 6 or 7.


Posted by vip3r on 07-27-2004 08:58 PM:

Anyone who rates this above a 7, is on crack. The video is blurry as all hell, and the sound is crap. The movie is good obviously, and the subs aren't that that important, because you still understand what is going on throughout the movie. Unless you don't have the maVen, get this .. if not, stick with the maVen. Good try though iMPERiAL.

6.5/5/8


Posted by eighty5 on 07-27-2004 10:50 PM:

Very nice copy if you dont already have the maVen copy.

Video was a bit blurry, and seemed dark in some scenes, but too bright in some as well.

Audio was clean, but not as good as maVen's.

Good job guys, and thanks for the english subtitles.

7/7/7


Posted by pjfan281 on 07-27-2004 11:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by exorcist
Being able to understand plot > Movie quality.

Maven's has french subtitles, so if you don't speak Russian, and a couple other languages, or know how to read french then you missed a lot.

The video on this release is perfect good. I'd give it about a 8, but the audio is indeed worse. 6 or 7.




now ya just went too far. these subs have importance to the film, of course, but it is minimal. you can easily get whats going on just by watching the movie. what is said in the subs is always retold later by another character, so ya wont miss it. if ya want to klnow what they're saying (as i did ) go to dictionary.com/translator and use the french to english transation, works great. i scanned the files, looked up the 12 or so subs, and when i watched the movie i knew what they meant. fairly simple. i agree it would be better to have eng subs, but what can ya do


Posted by huggy on 07-28-2004 12:00 AM:

this was a waste of time. Maven won hands down with this one. Nice try but a tad late.

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Posted by ElNino on 07-28-2004 12:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pjfan281
now ya just went too far. these subs have importance to the film, of course, but it is minimal. you can easily get whats going on just by watching the movie. what is said in the subs is always retold later by another character, so ya wont miss it. if ya want to klnow what they're saying (as i did ) go to dictionary.com/translator and use the french to english transation, works great. i scanned the files, looked up the 12 or so subs, and when i watched the movie i knew what they meant. fairly simple. i agree it would be better to have eng subs, but what can ya do


agreed completely... hell... if you watch the movie, you can tell whats happening.

'did you kill him?'
'yes'
'you sure?'
'yes'
'heres your money'
'thanks'


Posted by rickhype on 07-28-2004 12:04 AM:

pros- english subtitles
cons- poor picture quality/ bad audio

imo good video and sound is more important
would be different if a major part of movie was subbed
quess thats why it's an internal release

6.5/5/9(best movie in awhile)


Posted by petrocs on 07-28-2004 12:31 AM:

obviously everyone is missing the damn point and for those of you who cannot read the nfo's here ya go:

Who here like english subs? hehe this is a very
good movie and a nice portion of the movie is subbed
Mavens had french subs so u really couldnt understand
some major plot points so here is a pretty nice quality
w/ english subs.. enjoy


So I dont wanna hear another person say anything to the effect of " this was a waste of time. Maven won hands down with this one. Nice try but a tad late" or "release is decent but unwarrented"

If you want english subs get it..if you dont care get the other one

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Posted by Bazacko on 07-28-2004 01:00 AM:

Seriously, people. It's internal. If you don't want it, don't get it. This release's only purpose is to provide eng. subs.
7/7/.

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Posted by diggiedog on 07-28-2004 01:19 AM:

One Man's Opinion

Very nice release in my opinion. The english subs were just what i was looking for.

Thanks iMPERiAL.

8/7/9


Posted by Debo on 07-28-2004 01:21 AM:

7/6
ima keep mavens

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Posted by Eek on 07-28-2004 02:45 AM:

7/7/8

nice release glad someone hooked up the english subs thanks

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Posted by razzy on 07-28-2004 04:33 AM:

subs who cares ?

I watch movies not read them , maVen release will be just fine thanks.


Posted by evilsp*rc on 07-28-2004 08:18 AM:

Personally, I had a good time drinking with friends and making up dialog to the subtitles we couldnt read. Sure we were a little off, but hell... it made for a good time. I highly recommend it (if you're of age, that is).

English subs were nice to have.

6.5/7/8


Posted by frak on 07-28-2004 09:16 AM:

i think the words "not needed" come to mind.

the french subs in mavens release are not a big deal,
theres only like 10 of them and it's basic french. I failed
french 1 about 9 times and I could still make them out.


Posted by commiewhore on 07-28-2004 09:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pjfan281
now ya just went too far. these subs have importance to the film, of course, but it is minimal. you can easily get whats going on just by watching the movie. what is said in the subs is always retold later by another character, so ya wont miss it. if ya want to klnow what they're saying (as i did ) go to dictionary.com/translator and use the french to english transation, works great. i scanned the files, looked up the 12 or so subs, and when i watched the movie i knew what they meant. fairly simple. i agree it would be better to have eng subs, but what can ya do



3rd smartest post this week. i had same argument...i must be a super genius cause i can figure out the plot without the help of the subs....the shear jist of the movie doesnt rely on the subs, if it did, then the whole move would be in russian...and nothing in english...then i can see the complaint...anyhow, decent rls, audio is terrible compared to mavens...video is decent

the scores

video = 6
audio = 6
movie = 7

movie is ok, first one was ok too, im glad the sequel was done to kinda bring that completeness to the first one so it wasnt just one of those bad ass fighting movies that fell into cracks, like Equilibrium was....not just another The One movie, kinda brought the plots' believability out more.


Posted by eighty5 on 07-28-2004 10:12 AM:

Some people on this forum simple amaze me. I guess a few of you dont know what INTERNAL means.

It means it was made for the group, Internally, and isnt suppose to be available for everyone to download, and plus this was not put out to compete with maVen's whatsoever.

This was put out as for people who didnt understand the french subtitles within the group iMPERiAL.

This isnt to compete with maVen's copy people.

6/6/6


Posted by lance on 07-28-2004 12:46 PM:

no need for this. maVen's copy is the best going around.

6/6/?

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Posted by commiewhore on 07-28-2004 12:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by eighty5
Some people on this forum simple amaze me. I guess a few of you dont know what INTERNAL means.

It means it was made for the group, Internally, and isnt suppose to be available for everyone to download, and plus this was not put out to compete with maVen's whatsoever.

This was put out as for people who didnt understand the french subtitles within the group iMPERiAL.

This isnt to compete with maVen's copy people.

6/6/6




im sorry to have offended you, but its up for at least review, if its on this page, its fair game i guess, thats how it seems these forrums go....but seriously...why would a grp, and this is quoting you, rls a movie internally for the people who didnt understand the french subs within the grp......? why rls it at all then, if its within the grp, make no rls of it, jsut send it to each other.....oh well, im done...just you called these folk simple and then said that...its just not right...its just not right!!


Posted by Sin316 on 07-28-2004 03:14 PM:

and they said in the info themselve "a nice portion of the movie is subbed"

a nice portion ? wtf , its like 10 lines max lol. and what they say then its totally irrelevant to the movie. as someone said "did you kill him .. yes. . you sure .. yes ... k heres your money" .. those lines doesnt matter at all. Making a rls , internal or not , with the obvious far less quality is a waste of time in my eyes.


Posted by akasmiler on 07-28-2004 05:43 PM:

the quality is, how do you say, pretty dire

rated 5/5/8

why could they not have taken the maven rls and added the english subs to that??


Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-28-2004 06:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by commiewhore
why would a grp, and this is quoting you, rls a movie internally for the people who didnt understand the french subs within the grp......? why rls it at all then, if its within the grp, make no rls of it, jsut send it to each other....


Thats What An Internal Is Guy, Even Though They Send To Each Other It Leaks Outta The Group And Spreads.

On The Release 6/6/8

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Posted by desertboy on 07-28-2004 06:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by eighty5
Some people on this forum simple amaze me. I guess a few of you dont know what INTERNAL means.

It means it was made for the group, Internally, and isnt suppose to be available for everyone to download, and plus this was not put out to compete with maVen's whatsoever.

This was put out as for people who didnt understand the french subtitles within the group iMPERiAL.

This isnt to compete with maVen's copy people.

6/6/6



Finally a man with sense, I guess it's because there was a time internal meant something these days it means it won't get nuked.

6/7/8

I liked the film then again I liked the first one and the TV movie with Richard Chamberlin in, and the books, so maybe I'm biased.

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Posted by pjfan281 on 07-28-2004 06:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by eighty5


This isnt to compete with maVen's copy people.






you new? =P

come on, wake up, they specifically make mention of mavens copy in their nfo for crying out loud! not only do they mention it, but they imply maven's copy is unwatchable b/c the sub issue causes you to miss "a significant part of the movie" which is totally untrue. when you internal and point out the shortcomings of other releases, you ARE competing with that group AND trying to win credits on sites. plain and simple. so now if they can point of maven's "problems" dont bitch at people for pointing out theirs. any release is subject to criticism/anaysis. that is what helps people decide what to get. every opinion is valid.


Posted by popabook on 07-28-2004 06:28 PM:

6/4/8

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Posted by Jonas on 07-28-2004 06:29 PM:

From VcdQ FAQ

INTERNAL -
An internal release is done for several reasons. Classic DVD groups do a lot of .INTERNAL. releases, as they wont be dupe'd on it. Also lower quality theater rips are done INTERNAL so not to lower the reputation of the group, or due to the amount of rips done already. An INTERNAL release is available as normal on the groups affiliate sites, but they can't be traded to other sites without request from the site ops. Some INTERNAL releases still trickle down to IRC/Newsgroups, it usually depends on the title and the popularity. Earlier in the year people referred to Centropy going "internal". This meant the group were only releasing the movies to their members and site ops. This is in a different context to the usual.

Thats a perfect definition of the internal tag as i see it.

As for this release just your average run of the mill ts 6/6/8

Props to imperial for bringing a release with eng subs for the nit-pickers.


Posted by dark101 on 07-28-2004 10:32 PM:

Subititles

Is there any way to just extract the subtitles from the video stream and re-add them to a dif video source?

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Posted by Miller on 07-28-2004 10:59 PM:

well nice internal rls. picture quality is not as nice as good maven's and the sound on this rls kinda sucks. but no more french sub's which is nice. if you can't follow the movie with a Few French sub's then get this rls if not watch maVen's Rls

6/6/7

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Posted by Teknique on 07-29-2004 12:11 AM:

Re: Subititles

quote:
Originally posted by dark101
Is there any way to just extract the subtitles from the video stream and re-add them to a dif video source?


The problem with that is, the subs are part of the actual film. It's not like a DVD that has different subs that you can turn on and off, what was on the screen was captured.


Posted by pjfan281 on 07-29-2004 12:28 AM:

Re: Subititles

quote:
Originally posted by dark101
Is there any way to just extract the subtitles from the video stream and re-add them to a dif video source?



no.


Posted by mafioso on 07-29-2004 12:44 AM:

Question Not Competing with maVen

quote:
Originally posted by pjfan281
you new? =P

come on, wake up, they specifically make mention of mavens copy in their nfo for crying out loud! not only do they mention it, but they imply maven's copy is unwatchable b/c the sub issue causes you to miss "a significant part of the movie" which is totally untrue. when you internal and point out the shortcomings of other releases, you ARE competing with that group AND trying to win credits on sites. plain and simple. so now if they can point of maven's "problems" dont bitch at people for pointing out theirs. any release is subject to criticism/anaysis. that is what helps people decide what to get. every opinion is valid.



I was starting to wonder if anyone else ACTUALLY read the nfo

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Posted by navi on 07-29-2004 01:34 AM:

Not bad but have seen better.

5/5/7 ^_^


Posted by BLUE-NEO on 07-29-2004 01:55 PM:

review from full release, and from actually having full release and not a sample.

From cd1-cd2 the sound kicks in about 1 sec late from the universal intro. The video is nice. A little too much red but can be adjusted on t.v. The picture is just as good as Maven's version and the audio is very nice. Nice and clear. The subs and screen is very crisp and readable...could use a little more bass but overall sound is great. I'd rate it high..and should have been a proper not an internal.

8/8/9 good sequel.

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Posted by php on 07-29-2004 02:15 PM:

extremely good video. haven't seen such a good TS video in years. looks rather like a dvd screener than a TS. 10 for video

audio quality is low. low volume+it sounds very hollow, at some points it's very hard to understand. 4 for audio

movie itself is extremely boring and stupid. standard hollywood crap, nothing special. you've got some rogue agents and some good ones, some people shoot at each other, the evil guys are dead or in custody, movie is over. no mystery, no surprises. I've known from the very start who the mole was and it turned out I was right. 3 for the movie.

btw, the alleged russian or west european characters in hollywood movies always speak broken language with incredibly thick American English accent. And this movie is no exception. Most allegedly russian characters are in fact morons from the US whose abilities to speak foreign languages are highly questionable. My ears fell off when I heard them speak russian

another btw - what's this quarrel about subs all about? this release doesn't provide subs for all foreign parts either - like when Matt Damon speaks on the phone with german hotels it's not translated. and the russian and german newspapers he reads on the net are not translated either (i.e., no subs for them). So either you can speak german and russian or you're phucked, no matter what release of the movie you get.

quote:
Some people on this forum simple amaze me. I guess a few of you dont know what INTERNAL means.

It means it was made for the group, Internally, and isnt suppose to be available for everyone to download, and plus this was not put out to compete with maVen's whatsoever.

This was put out as for people who didnt understand the french subtitles within the group iMPERiAL.

This isnt to compete with maVen's copy people.
.


you are such a pedant. what the hell do we care whether a release is internal or not? Maybe to you movie releases are of academic interest only, but most of us actually want to watch the movie. Just because it's internal we are not allowed to discuss the quality or to compare it to other releases? This is just stupid.


Posted by infinityfsp2002 on 07-29-2004 09:14 PM:

I see dont know why people are complaining, if it was not internal then i would understand, but it is. Its a fine release if you want english subs. Obviously not as good as maVen's but its your choice.

6/7/x

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Posted by CARLlTOS on 07-30-2004 01:36 AM:

The picture is pretty good. but the sound is not that good.
The movie though is good.
7/6/10


Posted by dslplaya on 08-01-2004 04:30 AM:

Hey, someone who downloaded this version, can they post the english subs here. Just write down what the say in order as they come on the movie. I downloaded mavens cause better quality and better sounds, but if someone wants to post the english subs here it would be helpful for me so i can print them out and watch the movie. Thanks

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Posted by SuperDwD on 08-10-2004 01:05 PM:

Quite nice picture, not very good sound though.

Watchable, but I'd stick with maVen's release

7/5/x

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