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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-14-2007 04:15 AM:

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Has anyone attempted to install mac os X on there pc? My AMD64 which has sse2,3 instruction would not attempt to install it. Not sure why. My mother gave me her old Celeron, I was able to install Tiger onto it without any problems, Just as easy as installing a fresh copy of XP. Here are a few pics to show you.

The only problem I am having at this point is the Resolution, it's set to 1024x768 and my monitors native res is 1680x1050, Still looks rather decent though.
The Os didn't recognize my keyboard, so I had to put it in manually M$4000, Works great after that. Sound, Nic work without any problems.

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the resolution?
The onboard video card is "Intel Extreme Graphic"



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Posted by ckw0n on 11-14-2007 05:33 AM:

That is fuckin awesome. I've got tons of old computers that I'm going to try this on this week. New job don't start till monday, so I should be golden.

What kind of performance are you getting from the celeron?


Posted by MrEMann on 11-14-2007 06:10 AM:

Moved to the computer forum where this belongs.

I have installed OSx86 on Dells, compaqs, Acer laptops and a homebrew system with no issues. It is quite tricky in my experience to get it to install on the AMD procs. I found it easier to read some of the osx86 forums and patch my own ISO for the AMD stuff.

As for the graphics. I never needed anything but native 1024x768, so who knows. The driver for the intel graphics adapter you have may be functionally limited in that OS install.

Solution: BUY A Mac!!!!! I did! As a matter of fact, this post was created entirely on my Macbook.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-14-2007 06:53 AM:

Duh, Sorry bro.

I wish I could buy a Mac. I can't afford shit right now. My AMD64 was a present for my Bday this year.

Make sure that your cpu + mobo can handle the os. There are some guides, just google them. Your cpu must be able to handle sse2 instruction. It would work better if it supports sse2 and sse3. Some apps don't work if you don't have ss3, Well that's what I understand at least.

For some reason my bios didn't want to recognize the hard disk after I installed the os. I got it working though. When it went to boot it said "No Operating system installed" I was pissed.

for an old 2.7ghz 512k/ram it's running rather decent. I just wish I could get the resolution set correct. I may grab a crt, I know we have to have a few laying around somewhere.

I'm typing this post from my Hackintosh. lol.

Also Opera is a bit different with Mac os, than with Xp/vista etc. Instead of close all tabs, it has Close all but active. Just one difference I've noticed. I'm sure theres more differences.

Anyone got Leopard running, Through an actual mac or pc?

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Posted by LOLobo on 11-14-2007 07:25 AM:

As someone pointed out earlier this evening....

YOU TOOK PICTURES OF YOUR SCREEN!!!


Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-14-2007 07:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by LOLobo
As someone pointed out earlier this evening....

YOU TOOK PICTURES OF YOUR SCREEN!!!



um what?

Yeah, I don't know how to screen cap with osX. So oh well.

Also if I didn't take pictures, Who'd believe? Some who have done it might, but not all.

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Posted by Black Power Bill on 11-14-2007 09:09 AM:

Good lord you are a faggot.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-14-2007 03:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by White Power Bill
Good lord you are a faggot.


This coming from a person with the name "White Power Bill" I don't wanna hear it. Go fuck your sister. or your father.

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Posted by The CandyMan on 11-14-2007 05:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by parasiticgannon
This coming from a person with the name "White Power Bill" I don't wanna hear it. Go fuck your sister. or your father.


Don't confuse him now, remember his sister is his mother and his father is his brother...

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Posted by Avenue_1 v4.0b on 11-14-2007 05:23 PM:

...and ManCandy is your son

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Posted by pHo on 11-14-2007 07:54 PM:

im running leopard on real hardware. has some good parts, some bad.. 10.5.1 is out shortly tho so hopefully that'll be nice and smooth.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-14-2007 09:04 PM:

The closest I got to Leopard is downloading it, and watching the video on apple.com. I'm geekin to check it out.

I am having other hardware issues with it now. After I removed my dvd burner from the celeron the bios isn't detecting the hard drive, and says no operating system. I think I may use a boot loader aside from darwin.

::edit:: I have to have my dvdr/rw installed before I can actually boot the system. For some reaosn if I don't, my bios settings won't save. How interesting?

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Posted by LOLobo on 11-15-2007 07:06 AM:

I would like to do this. What are the requirements? I have a few P4 1.7GHz lying around. So... um... yeah.. tell me if I can get this working.


Posted by MrEMann on 11-15-2007 07:12 AM:

yes, LOLobo, you can, but you'd have to stay with 10.4.6 I believe.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-15-2007 08:20 AM:

Strange problem indeed. Got osx installed on my AMD64 on a different hard disk. I had to have a usb keyboard plugged in, and my ps2 keyboard, Or else it wouldn't work at all. Strange huh? Then when I went to install, My mouse wouldn't work correctly, I got an error message stating the mac was consuming to much power through the usb ports. Unplugged the front usb ports and works like a charm, Well almost. My nic isn't being recognized which is the ONLY problem. Full res on my monitor with osx with my amd. SSE2, and SSE3 works with it. I was able to view dvds worked and airport was installed.

I did find some official drivers for my nic on Realteks website. Will try and install tomorrow.

Is it possible to use two seperate Hard Drives in the same pc? One disk for xp, the other for osx?

In the end I'm sure I'll do a dual boot if I have to.

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Posted by The CandyMan on 11-15-2007 01:21 PM:

From what I remember reading, you can do a dual boot with XP and OsX. I believe Maximum PC did a tutorial on it about a year ago or so. I dig through my old mags and see if I can find it, but you might be able to come across it on their site (maximumpc.com) or a google search.

I'm going to have to stop by next week and check it out para.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-15-2007 02:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
From what I remember reading, you can do a dual boot with XP and OsX. I believe Maximum PC did a tutorial on it about a year ago or so. I dig through my old mags and see if I can find it, but you might be able to come across it on their site (maximumpc.com) or a google search.

I'm going to have to stop by next week and check it out para.

no need to look for it there are numerous guides for it

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-16-2007 05:07 AM:

Ok, Resolution is working great. Network is now working, I had to find other drivers for nic. Now I'm having audio problems. I am getting audio in just the left channel.

I am having problem after problem, As aggrivated as I have become, I can't say it's not a challenge, It's sure as fuck is fun though. I'm having a blast with it.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-16-2007 04:49 PM:

Can anyone suggest some software for osX 10.4.8
CD/DVD burning software, LIke Nero
DVD Ripping software, Like DVD Shrink,Yes I use this app in XP. I like it.


The DVD player software for os x is decent enough, Don't need another, I found out Itunes sofware plays MP3's that I've ripped/downloaded, and also works with Shoutcast streams. It's not a bad app, but is there a better one? Like Winamp?

I downloaded Opera, and Thunderbird, Both work great.

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Posted by pHo on 11-16-2007 10:35 PM:

Toast Titanium for burning, MacTheRipper for ripping.

Altho X's inbuilt burning is generally good enough for most things, especially images.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-16-2007 11:33 PM:

The built in burner reminds me of the old roxio. Looks like all you have to do is drag and drop into the folder.

I saw those two proggies. Thanks pHo.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-19-2007 06:56 AM:

Does anyone know of a good MP3 player like Winamp, and a good video player like media player classic with .x264 support. For os X?


I haven't checked out any High Def media on here yet, Well I did view a trailor on apple.com, 720p played good, using quick time, I did download a codec for .x264 support for quicktime. But you can't view in fullscreen with quick time that I know of. I never really messed with it. I don't recall having the option for fullscreen with it.

Right now for my shoutcast needs I'm using the Itunes software, Does decent enough, but I want something else if possible.

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Posted by pHo on 11-19-2007 02:34 PM:

VLC or mplayer for video, but there's not much choice for mp3 bizarrely. Audion is primarily for PPC so it doesn't run amazingly on intel platforms but its ok.. Realplayer is surprisingly ok but it doesn't have a working visible playlist that you can use, its all done really bizarrely.. a shame.

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Posted by LOLobo on 11-19-2007 03:41 PM:

Donno if XMMS works in OSX. Love it in Linux.


Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-20-2007 09:32 AM:

What the fuck, I have been using RDC with Os X so I can view my Vista box. I just checked the resourses in os x, It was using damn near a gig of ram. How is that possibe? On windows it only uses maybe 10MB's at most. What the fuck is up with this?

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Posted by pHo on 11-20-2007 03:51 PM:

RAM usage in OSX is actually done intelligently and the majority of your RAM will be in use at any one time, then redispersed as required. Nothing to worry about.

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Posted by LOLobo on 11-21-2007 06:39 AM:

*nix based RAM usage rules.


Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-22-2007 03:12 AM:

I'm still getting used os x. I'm liking it now that I got my HD movies playing, Mplayer works quite well.



Does anyone run antivirus software with Mac os X? If so what kind?

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-22-2007 07:03 AM:

I know I just started using Os X, but I'm enjoying it. Grant it there isn't as much software, but there is enough. There is more and more support for mac nowaday.

So far I don't really like the Dock, Yeah it looks cool, but not nearly as good as my trusty start menu and app bar from Windows. I've been using Windows for many years now, It's hard to get away from that.

Not enough MP3 players, I want something better than Itunes, It's ok but not great.

Still no matter what, It runs fantastic, I guess the system is suppose to use the ram it has, I'm just not used to that. When a app says it's using damn near a gig of ram, I feel there is a problem.

The Finder isn't nearly as good as Explorer, Again maybe cause i'm not used to it yet, It just feels foriegn.

Add/remove programs? Just drag and drop, It doesn't get rid of everything. I prefer add/remove option like in Windows.

System preference vs. Control Panel, I prefer the Os X, It seems better. Not a lot of shit I'll never use.

The Widgets are much better in Os X than in Vista. M$ fucked that one up.

Safari is a joke.

Biggest qualm with Mac so far is Quicktime, I can understand Quicktime pro for Windows costing Money, But why the fuck would you have to purchase Pro if you buy a mac? That's garbage!!!

I don't know where stuff downloads when it doesn't download to the desktop, When I download a zip file it automatically unzips? I hate that.

I understand a .dmg file it's macs version of exe. but what in the hell is a hqx file?

I feel like a complete noob now, I know NOTHING about how Mac works. I bought a book about Tiger today, Just so I can understand it.

I do like it, It's just taking a lot to get used to it.

Is there much of a difference between Tiger and Leopard? Is it worth the upgrade?

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edit

I just realized I'm using RDC why not use Winamp on my pc? Duh, Wasn't thinking about it to much I guess. At least I have options since I have two pc's.

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Posted by pHo on 11-23-2007 03:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by parasiticgannon
[B]I know I just started using Os X, but I'm enjoying it. Grant it there isn't as much software, but there is enough. There is more and more support for mac nowaday.


Everything worth getting (bar games, then just buy an xbox360 as PC Gaming is dead bar about 5 decent exclusive titles a year) is either available on Mac or has an equivalent thats better anyway. (ie MSN/AIM --> Adium)

quote:
So far I don't really like the Dock, Yeah it looks cool, but not nearly as good as my trusty start menu and app bar from Windows. I've been using Windows for many years now, It's hard to get away from that.


You'll get used to it. The Applications button is basically your start bar, not really much difference. Control Panel is brought up easily from the Apple Menu anytime, and the ability to mount pretty much anything on the dock itself is great. I have 2 stacks for general downloads and usenet downloads as well as my Apps and Trash, and I keep meaning to make a stack for my most used apps.

quote:
Not enough MP3 players, I want something better than Itunes, It's ok but not great.


Agreed. iTunes is brilliant for mass organisation tho, I have a PC running a 200gb HDD as an iTunes library and the Macbook then connects to this library automatically when I load it (which takes seconds). My wish is for an mp3 player like winamp that I just use to play random songs and new stuff from, rather than library based. I have multiple uses for mp3s therefore I need multiple players. I use Audion for playlisted stuff (a bit slow and clunky) and Realplayer for single files.

quote:
Still no matter what, It runs fantastic, I guess the system is suppose to use the ram it has, I'm just not used to that. When a app says it's using damn near a gig of ram, I feel there is a problem.


If the system feels like its running fine, don't worry about it. Vista isn't much different with its reporting, and the RAM thing you're reading isn't the true usage anyway, thats the virtual usage thing which I ignore all the time.

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The Finder isn't nearly as good as Explorer, Again maybe cause i'm not used to it yet, It just feels foriegn.


Its better. Get a proper apple keyboard and start learning all the keyboard shortcuts.

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Add/remove programs? Just drag and drop, It doesn't get rid of everything. I prefer add/remove option like in Windows.


True, but Add/Remove programs leaves a lot of shit behind, and half the time it doesn't work anyway. You can get progs like AppZapper that'll remove things fully, but as each icon is in fact a package and not just an .exe , it does do a decent job.

quote:
System preference vs. Control Panel, I prefer the Os X, It seems better. Not a lot of shit I'll never use.


Yeah, its pretty good. I like it too.

quote:
The Widgets are much better in Os X than in Vista. M$ fucked that one up.


I don't care for them. I use the calculator every so often and thats about it. I just have no need for widgets in general.

quote:
Safari is a joke.


Only used it about 5 times. Waste of time.

quote:
Biggest qualm with Mac so far is Quicktime, I can understand Quicktime pro for Windows costing Money, But why the fuck would you have to purchase Pro if you buy a mac? That's garbage!!!


I don't get you.. quicktime pro is for encoding etc, quicktime for playback etc is free. There's no reason for them to give you QTPro for free.

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I don't know where stuff downloads when it doesn't download to the desktop, When I download a zip file it automatically unzips? I hate that.


It shouldn't do. You definitely telling it to save and not open?

quote:
I understand a .dmg file it's macs version of exe. but what in the hell is a hqx file?


Thats incorrect, DMG is a diskimage and is a standard image format for OSX, similar to ISO but used much more commonly amongst normal non-warezy downloads. Its a good system. Can't remember what HQX is if I ever knew.

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I feel like a complete noob now, I know NOTHING about how Mac works. I bought a book about Tiger today, Just so I can understand it.


Tiger is good, some prefer it to Leopard. I haven't decided yet. There's some elements of Leopard now I utterly love. I like stacks which some don't due to the way I work, and Spaces (despite its few problems) is slick. Screen sharing over Bonjour (via iChat) is rad as all hell too.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-23-2007 04:18 PM:

With Quicktime I tried watching a movie in fullscreen it was a greyed out option, I found out you have to buy quicktime pro to be able to view movies in fullscreen.

I understand VM, I do ignore that because it doesn't matter, What does bother me is the fact it says Real Memory and one program was using damn near a gbit.

I would only get a real mac keyboard if I could get a split keyboard. Haven't seen any.

AppZapper is a cool little program, I like the effects with it. Does a good job to.

I have a weather and gas price widget and both are rather accurate. Only two I use on a daily basis.

Also I know what to do with a .bin file in Windows, But some things you download off of Microsofts site, and others. The files are in .bin. Is there a program to extract em? because there is no .cue with em.

Why can't I get rid of my dektop icons, That sucks. I shouldn't have to download a prgram to that, and camoflauge uses 20mbits and that's garbage.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-24-2007 03:19 AM:

I decided to not use the second pc for my Winblows box, I decided to set up a Virtual drive for it. it's running great. Much faster than the Celeron did. I thought it would run like crap but it doesn't. I am impressed.

I figured I like certain programs, Like Utorrent, Nero, and a few other apps that aren't on os x. So far Utorrent is working great, Haven't had a chance to use Nero yet, but can't wait to do so.

This is fuckin great.

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Posted by Linnets on 11-24-2007 10:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
Can't remember what HQX is if I ever knew.


Its just another compressed archive file type. Just as PC's have .zip .tar .rar etc so there are different compressed files for the Mac. Use Stuffit Expander. It recognises and deals with hqx's straight off the bat.


Posted by pHo on 11-24-2007 12:12 PM:

Nice one Linnets. I might've come across it before, it looks familiar but I can't say for certain. And yeah, I use stuff it, its a natty little app.

utorrent is still looking to come out for mac, but Transmission is fine in the meantime.

Toast Titanium is better than Nero, and in all fairness OSX's inbuilt burning tools (burning images thru Disk Utility or starting a Burn Folder for normal files) is surprisingly good. It's just hard to trust because all Windows' variants were awful at burning.

As for QT, I'm sure I've only ever had standard on here, and it full screens without a problem. Maybe you're on a very old version? I'm grabbing a trailer now to confirm.

(you can pic up older spec mac mini's pretty cheaply, if you're getting into it.. you should pick one up)

edit: yep, quicktime player 7.2.1 fullscreens video using the standard cmd-f .. they added fullscreen into non-pro ages ago i think, run software update and it'll get you the newest one automatically (software update rules btw)

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-25-2007 04:21 AM:

Downloaded stuffit expander, Installed it, haven't tried it yet.

When I try and use Transmission if I am u/d at any rate say down/5k and up/5k I can't surf the web at all. Still can't, I installed Utorrent on my Virtual machine and I can down/upload no problem.


I have QT 7.1.3 so it should be fine. Maybe it was the format I was trying to play, Don't know, Will try a trailer and see what happens.

As far updates go I'll pass, I read numerous times if I try and update this, It won't boot. Rememinds me of Windows. lol.

Yeah I have seen some cheap Imac's, Mac Mini's aren't badly priced either. For right now my AMD64 3500+ 1.5gb/ram runs perfect. I won't upgrade this pc at all. Because why? It all works perfect. lol.

After all this I realize I do have an old version, I hate being deslixic, I get shit mixed up at times, I thought my version was newer. Oh well, Will update this. Thanks pHo.

I thought about upgrading the kernal, and all, but i decided, Why fuck with it? Everything on here works and works good. There is no need for it. I don't like QT anyway. Who cares. I'm going to leave it the way it is. I will install Leo eventually, After the bugs are worked out. I'm happy with what I got. So fuck it.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-26-2007 01:20 AM:

Since Sunday is MY day, to do with it with whatever the fuck I want, I did exactly that. I set up a Vmachine up with Freespire 2.0 and it's not bad. Also found another mp3 player for Os X, It's OK, Sounds better than Itunes. I guess it's been discontinued, It's called Macamp lite X. Does the trick. It's decent enough.

Yeah this setup really does rock. I love it.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-27-2007 06:42 AM:

After searching and searching for an mp3 player that I like for Os X I finally found one, It doesn't have much compatability yet, Mainly Mp3, Ogg, and streaming audio.

The only two that I use on a day to day basis is MP3 and Streaming audio, I use Streaming audio from shoutcast 24/7 so it's crucial that I have that support. The program I found is called "Whamb" I'm enjoying it a lot.

There are other mp3 players for Ituens such as Macamp Lite X which is Ok.

Here is a link to some really decent mac apps that I have came across, Also has a link to Whamb.

Well Hope someone gets some use of this site.
http://www.pure-mac.com/mp3.html

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 11-30-2007 04:02 AM:

Leopard anyone? i'll wait for now

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2223921,00.asp

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 01-10-2008 01:54 AM:

I've been running Mac os x for about 2 months now. I don't care for it.


1. Navigation sucks with it. I can't stand the Dock.
2. Not enough software support.
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There are some things I like about it, but I am thinking of going back to windows.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 01-10-2008 05:33 AM:

I'm back to windows. For now at least.

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Posted by pHo on 01-10-2008 07:16 PM:

Running OSX on a PC sucks. Running Windows on a Mac is fine. I know what I'm sticking with. (Its the OSX).

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 01-10-2008 10:22 PM:

I don't really see how that can be different. For the fact it runs really fast. I'd say native speed for my pc specs.

I just can't stand the navigation with os x. The dock is horrible. I have tried a mac at the store, I was able to use it, But still it's no better. I didn't notice a difference.

I like the way you can navigate with Windows.

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Posted by pHo on 01-12-2008 12:25 AM:

If you can't navigate easily within OSX there's something wrong with you. Spotlight built in is damned good already, but combined with Quiksilver its unbeatable.

What exactly is it you were trying to navigate, given that all your data is where you put it and all app data is within the package contents itself? I'm confused.

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