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Thieving Pikeys!

Right first things first - I'm fucked off.

Some cunt has nicked about a grand from me and I wanna know who it was.

Allow me to explain. I had a load of cash in my drawer at work. Cash that was from jobs. I know fuckin stupid to leave it in an unlocked dawer, but I've only got about 15 employees and I thought I could trust them all. Obviously not. Shit heads.

So the likelihood is that it is a keyholder that has come in out of hours and nicked it. (There are only 3 keyholders). Obviously I have my suspicions but I have no way of proving anything. So what I want from you bunch of reprobates is a way of setting this goon up for a fall. I don't think whoever it is will be able to resist a honeytrap, cos I'm sure they have also recently nicked a flat screen monitor from the office too.

Fire away with your suggestions. I wanna catch this fucker red handed.

Hidden camera with infa red activation, leave it a week or 2 (xmas time be perfect) and leave a few hundred around and when you lock up turn the cctv on and soon as someone crosses the beam it gets recorded

Theft from an employer is a lot worse than theft itself and if u contact the police and he gets charged then it will be on record and he have a hard time getting ANY job with theft from an employer

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Usually when something goes missing in the office the finger is always pointed at The Cleaners or Security but 99%of the time it isn't them it's the staff themselves.

Set a trap.

When the money went missing did you cause a scene?
It would be good if you could play it down if you know what i mean.
Pretend that you haven't even noticed the money has gone.
Then there is a good chance the person that stole it will strike again.

If you made your mouth go about it, and nobody could blame you if you did,then they probably won't try it again.


That's fuckin bad news though especially at this time of year.

Hope you catch the fucker

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Originally posted by Ripper


Theft from an employer is a lot worse than theft itself and if u contact the police and he gets charged then it will be on record and he have a hard time getting ANY job with theft from an employer

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Originally posted by parasiticgannon
Who gives a fuck? He deserves what he gets.

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fuckin hippie

def set the trap...but the problem is...if you let him grab more cash to catch him on tape...youll lose that too

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as an ex-installer of covert cameras and CCTV systems i can tell you
there are shed loads of options open to you.
cams in smoke detectors, cams in books and even cams in the cross of a Philips (cross head) screw head.
but all these options need to hooked up to something, and that something can cost money.

IMO your best bet should you choose the cam approach would be a standard (quality) web cam and some motion capture software.
this can be setup to start recording when motion is detected and or setup to take pictures and have them pictures (or footage) immedatly emailed to an email address.

this emailing is important as any tea-leaf with an ounce of brains would also nick the tape or nick the pc.

A web-cam isn't that out of place in an office and may not look suspect to the thief.

if you choose this option, try it out at home first to get your head round the software.


remember to take the serial numbers of the money you leave as a trap.

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Originally posted by parasiticgannon
Who gives a fuck? He deserves what he gets.

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Originally posted by Ripper
What a slap on the wrist pfffttt, if you really want to hurt someone hurt em in the pocket and theft from an employee will pretty much mean he will be picking up dead animals off the road if he's lucky

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camera thing is obvious, heck id assume there is a comp in that room, hook up a webcam, make sure you have enough HD space and just leave it on overnight, and delete next day, cover flashing lights on the tower, just thinking thrifty instead of full blown security...

although at this point it may make a good future investment to go hi tech

I know the culture is diff there from here in the USA, but i think its safe to say as the economy slumps, even good people can and will become shady, hope your insurance covered it!

Wait until your Christmas party and beat the shit out of the person you suspect most. Take his wallet and fire him.

At least that way you get some money back and you get some pleasure too

I'll give the cam option further thought, although the office the theft took place from is not used now. I moved all the office employees into the boardroom to save money on lights and heating. I think I said before I sell into the housebuilding trade so times are fuckin tough at the moment. Maybe 40-50% of last years volume of sales!

Because of the environment a web cam would definately look out of place at the moment unfortunately. I could do without the expense of "high tech" security installations. What I'm really after is something dirty and ingenious. A way to get him to trip himself up, and if he had to reveal himself to me without knowing it that would be the ideal outcome. Trouble is I'm not a sneaky enough little fucker to be able to hatch sucha plan. I know someone who almost definately is, but I think that he's the cunt who's nicked it.

Yep if you do find out who it is "save" the evidence untill say crimbo week and unload the bombshell then !!!!

MERRY X-MAS

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Edited it because I wrote what I wrote out of anger.

There is transparent security powder you can get, that when the thief comes into contact he does not realise until he washes his hands, then he is dyed for up to a week.
Dust some money with it and bobs your uncle.
Will try and dig a link up for it later.

That's shit mate, being robbed by those you employ is an insult and a half.

as a cheep option you could try sticking some cash or whatever in a bag that is not transparent and add a good spinkling of Potassium permanganate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_permanganate

easily available at any pet store as its used to get mites of reptiles.

as soon as it hits the oils in fingers it will dye the skin purple and cant be washed of for about a week..

I got cought myself with this at school years ago nicking magnesium ribbon to blow things up.
so i can deff' say it works.

just another option to think of.

RIP

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Originally posted by RIP@Youceff
That's shit mate, being robbed by those you employ is an insult and a half.

as a cheep option you could try sticking some cash or whatever in a bag that is not transparent and add a good spinkling of Potassium permanganate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_permanganate

easily available at any pet store as its used to get mites of reptiles.

as soon as it hits the oils in fingers it will dye the skin purple and cant be washed of for about a week..

I got cought myself with this at school years ago nicking magnesium ribbon to blow things up.
so i can deff' say it works.

just another option to think of.

RIP

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Originally posted by baha
Good option, but it can backfire if you use substances not intended for the purpose (allergies and such): guy I know from watching footy with got done with potassium permanganate on his stag do - they pulled his boxers down and sprinkled it liberally over his arse and took pictures. He nearly couldn't get married cos of the rash and the swelling it caused

Not worried about the thief's state of health, but if it causes a medical issue the police - in this country at least! - are more likely to prosecute the health hazard creator than the thief!

Like someone said above, there are 'invisible' powders/dyes that are made to security mark valuables that don't have any associated risks, they just stain, better to look into those.

EDIT: 15secs on google: http://www.glowtec.co.uk/uv-security-info.htm

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Originally posted by baha


EDIT: 15secs on google: http://www.glowtec.co.uk/uv-security-info.htm

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I agree, far more likely to catch the fucker using UV

I used to run a community centre where the whole main roon was decorated in UV pen, no body had a clue until the UV lights came on when the music nights were on. then the place looked tops. even the kids used to paint themselves with various logo's and comments (thank fuck thair pareents didnt have UV lights, some of the shit they wrote on themselves was well fucked up.

Cheers boys. Looks like that'll do the trick. Now I just gotta work on the setup, I can't make it too obvious. Oh and I'll check how legitimate it is with my employment law consultant.

If it is the guy I suspect then he deserves all that's coming to him. We've employed him for over 20 years. Let him get away with a lot of shit too. Well that'll be his fuckin lot if my suspicions are founded.

myabe wrap a fake stack of cash with the only real bills on top and bottom so you dont lose too much....get pics

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looter n. : someone who takes spoils or plunder (as in war) [syn: plunderer, pillager, spoiler, despoiler, raider, freebooter]

Well I'm definitely gonna go after this scumbag. I'll let you all know how I go on if i catch him.

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Originally posted by Linnets
Well I'm definitely gonna go after this scumbag. I'll let you all know how I go on if i catch him.

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Cheers boys. Looks like that'll do the trick. Now I just gotta work on the setup, I can't make it too obvious. Oh and I'll check how legitimate it is with my employment law consultant.

If it is the guy I suspect then he deserves all that's coming to him. We've employed him for over 20 years. Let him get away with a lot of shit too. Well that'll be his fuckin lot if my suspicions are founded.

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It might not be the guy you suspect.

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It might not be the guy you suspect.

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Originally posted by takwhori
It might not be the guy you suspect.

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Originally posted by takwhori
It might not be the guy you suspect.

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Originally posted by baha
Stating the obvious: make sure you take down the serial numbers of the notes and ensure they don't come from the company - there's got to be no way the notes could've passed to the thief legitimately. If necessary bank the cash then withdraw a different set of notes, or from a cashpoint, so you can prove when the notes came into your possession - get/keep receipts.

That should do him like a kipper

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Linnets, did you ever find out who the fucker was that took the wad of cash or are you still trying to trap them?

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Originally posted by CARR73
Linnets, did you ever find out who the fucker was that took the wad of cash or are you still trying to trap them?

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I've been letting it lie for a while to try to lull whoever it was into a sense of security. Then I'll set a trap.

It seems they are desperate enough cos someone (and you would imagine its the same person) stole £15 out of a fuckin charity box on someones desk recently too.

SCUM.

If they're stealing from charity then it's time to kick arse I reckon... I reckon CCTV would knock the problem on the head but you'd never know who the culprit was. However, you *can* install covert cameras in the workplace in the UK so long as you adhere to the law:

CAB guide - http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index...ing_at_work.htm

Company FAQ that installs covert systems: http://www.covtek.com/faq.htm

I know you'll probably feel different about it but I can "forgive" nicking from an employer although I wouldn't do it, it can be perceived as victimless... But nicking from charity is pretty fucking low, you don't need that sort of asshat working for you

What does your company do? Got any vacancies for devastatingly handsome IT geniuses with a penchant for fisting and fisting-related humour? I'm open to offers but I don't come cheap*












*ok, ok, I'm cheap.

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Originally posted by Neversoft
I know you'll probably feel different about it but I can "forgive" nicking from an employer although I wouldn't do it, it can be perceived as victimless...

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I agree with ya Candyman, and companies obviously suffer because of theft, the small-medium ones even more. I'm not justifying it but it is a fact that most large companies haemorrhage assets due to employee theft and their colleagues are often fully aware but turn a blind eye and almost see it as a "perk" of the job... I work for one of the worlds largest IT companies, desktops and laptops vanish with alarming regularity.

"Forgive" was the wrong word for me to use but my point is, when you don't directly see the knock-on effects of stealing from your employer it's much easier to steal from them and remain guilt-free.

It's the same with shop-lifting, people are far more likely to steal from a chain store than a corner shop.

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Originally posted by Linnets
I've been letting it lie for a while to try to lull whoever it was into a sense of security. Then I'll set a trap.

It seems they are desperate enough cos someone (and you would imagine its the same person) stole £15 out of a fuckin charity box on someones desk recently too.

SCUM.

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Big ol' bed spring and an open can of sadolin in the cash draw won't wash off for a week and won't cause allergy's .Seen it done, very effective only costs a fiver.

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Originally posted by gezzer
Big ol' bed spring and an open can of sadolin in the cash draw won't wash off for a week and won't cause allergy's .Seen it done, very effective only costs a fiver.

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Originally posted by Arthur Daily
aye, some sort of booby trap on a tin marked CASH.

crude but effective... i like it.

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I've been thinking about security cameras. But I don't know how good the quality is. Chances are this dick is doing it at night, and won't necessarily turn on the lights. I found a couple of cameras on fleabay. They are disguised as intruder alarm pir's, which I'm pretty sure I could get away with. However, I wouldn't want to blow the chance of catching him because the footage was inconclusive.

Does anyone know anything about these type of tiny security cams?

What Brand/model were you looking at. Im a CCTV installer (US) and ive used some of the PIR cameras and they provided pretty good image, but never as good as non covert (obviously) depending on the local laws/process it may or may not be enough.

edit: the covert cameras also usually have a more limited angle/angle of view, and pointing at a dress would be better server with a non covert (think about installing them yourself/get the employees to help screw them up, and saying they are not real/just a cya measure b/c of thefts in neighborhood, and then 2 weeks or so later wire them up and get him

The person(s) you suspect it is, are they plain jane looking or do they have some sort of stand out characteristic ie, height, weight, hair color, visible tattoos take this into account when buying, color is always better, but if your tight for cash, and they are extremely unique, then it wont matter much.

Best advice i can give is Dont be cheap, and if possible catch them 100% (Close up face shot at tiem of crime) on camera, or get them twice.

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Originally posted by Jingofin
Then you run the risk of catching someone who is just being nosey and if you do catch the guilty party they can claim to have just been taking a look.

I'd go for the camera sting or marked notes sprayed with that luminescent shit. The morning after cash goes missing, call a meeting, hit the lights and walk around with a UV light. Your culprit will be literally caught red handed (depending on the colour of luminescence, in fact, i'd intentionally buy the colour red just for the comedy and satisfaction value of being able to say "GOTYA RED HANDED BITCH!)
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