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Posted by Arthur Daily on 03-29-2009 10:31 AM:

3D movies

So with all these 3D movies about to hit our screens,
Is there away to view this shit at home?

I've a light understanding of this tech, and know it's
Not the coloured card specks I'm talking about.

I know places need new hardware installed to show these movies, but are we talking just new projecters?

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-29-2009 11:40 AM:

Until they agree a format they like I wouldn't bother - going to be another round of new fucking TVs. For now stick with the cardboard specs from Ebay.


Posted by Ripper on 03-29-2009 06:18 PM:

3D is well under development and i doubt wont be too long before the 1st gen's come out.

Just do a search on it

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-29-2009 06:29 PM:

Or watch the videos from the latest tech shows and see at least three different versions of it


Posted by baha on 03-29-2009 07:41 PM:

The first gens are already doing the rounds, read a review of one last year.

It was a Philips 40(+)" TV that was being reviewed, list price of £20k. But Philips reckoned they'd have the same spec model commercially available for about £1k by 2011, so we're not far away at all. The only holdback is the fact there isn't enough content around to make it possible for them to produce/sell enough to launch at affordable prices.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-29-2009 08:37 PM:

Until they agree a format there's no sense in even considering the first gen TVs since you won't know what the broadcasters will be supporting.


Posted by HoldDaSalad on 03-29-2009 09:47 PM:

3D technology, These TV's will we have to use those stupid glasses? If it displays a 3D image without the use of all that shit, then I'm game. This could be the next iteration in Movies/Gaming. Hell with some 1080p it's almost as if it's 3D in ways. The depth of perception is fantastic on some sources.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-29-2009 11:38 PM:

Yes these are without glasses but various models do it in different ways - and some still require "comfortable" glasses to get 3D viewing too.

I'm not sure where they stand on converting 2D to 3D, or supporting both formats at the same time yet.


Posted by gezzer on 03-30-2009 12:33 AM:

Only 3D I have ever seen worth the entrance money was at futurascope in Potiers in France. They even have a 3D show projected onto a mist of water over a lake that you can watch from any angle.
Its there that all the Imax development takes place.The whole 3D thing is just a gimmick at the moment. And if para thinks that gaming looks 3D he needs glasses big time.What I'm trying to say is commercial 3D is light years away from being really viable, take a visit to futuroscope and you will know where I'm coming from.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-30-2009 12:44 AM:

You mean like that Dr Manhattan they put out over the Thames - the light and water show? That was pretty cool.


Posted by HoldDaSalad on 03-30-2009 01:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
Only 3D I have ever seen worth the entrance money was at futurascope in Potiers in France. They even have a 3D show projected onto a mist of water over a lake that you can watch from any angle.
Its there that all the Imax development takes place.The whole 3D thing is just a gimmick at the moment. And if para thinks that gaming looks 3D he needs glasses big time.What I'm trying to say is commercial 3D is light years away from being really viable, take a visit to futuroscope and you will know where I'm coming from.

Obviously you missed my point old man.

Maybe I worded it wrong, Maybe 3D is the wrong term. You get a sense of depth with a lot of HD content.

What I said, the next gen after the current, lol. I don't think we'll have 2080p for at least 10 years. lol.

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Posted by Munson on 03-30-2009 02:44 AM:

3D IMAX is sweet. Get one of those.


Posted by Bit_Confused on 03-30-2009 02:59 AM:

I'll test anything for you on my LCD projector.

Great fir the Wii

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Posted by Ripper on 03-30-2009 07:52 AM:

I remember reading some time ago (yr or so) that there were these glasses that you wear that could do a 360 rotation around objects, these were with some kind of gloves (touch screen if i remember right) cant remember the company off hand will have a think and search them out, i know it was a prototype and could only use for an hour or so due to migrane

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Posted by Vampire on 03-30-2009 10:49 AM:

I went to an R&D facility in Ipswich about four years ago and was shown a few nifty gadgets that were under development. One of those was the 3DTV that didn't require any glasses.

The demo we were given was a Guinness advert involving a football which was kicked towards the screen and appeared to come out of the screen. Pretty fun stuff to watch but, as baha mentioned, the price needs to come down and the content needs to go up before it will become available.

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Posted by gezzer on 03-30-2009 11:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Obviously you missed my point old man.

Maybe I worded it wrong, Maybe 3D is the wrong term. You get a sense of depth with a lot of HD content.

What I said, the next gen after the current, lol. I don't think we'll have 2080p for at least 10 years. lol.


No I didn't miss your point young man , Depth perception is a long way removed from 3D . You was just being all young and excited about gaming.

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Posted by gezzer on 03-30-2009 11:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
You mean like that Dr Manhattan they put out over the Thames - the light and water show? That was pretty cool.
Pretty much like that only with a bit more depth , people turn up dressed up to the nines to watch (it's only done at night ,needs darkness) you can have a three course meal with waiter service at the lakeside while watching, its all done quite formal. French are bit anal when you think about it.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-30-2009 11:37 AM:

That's the important point though - a lot of sets, including the Nvidia developed ones, will be selling depth perception as 3D - sort of like a concave vs convex situation.

Personally, I'm waiting for augmented reality headsets


Posted by Neversoft on 03-30-2009 12:28 PM:

The 3D tech that seems to be most popular at the moment is the one that requires you to wear those enormous Ray Charles-like specs to view it. I've seen a handful of 3D movies in the cinema over the last year or so and they all used an identical system - although it doesn't seem to work very well for me... Probably cos I'm colour blind and used to have a squint (fixed when I was a kid) so the focus for each eye is off and I get a double image - either that or the projectionist needs to find another job.

As for TV 3D technology, I suspect whichever one that wins in the UK is whatever Sky settle on:

http://tv.sky.com/skys-3d-telly-news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7788582.stm
http://stuff.tv/blogs/future/archiv...tv-service.aspx

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Posted by ntscuser on 03-30-2009 01:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft As for TV 3D technology, I suspect whichever one that wins in the UK is whatever Sky settle on
I don't, but only because I don't think Sky will be around that long.


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-30-2009 01:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ntscuser
I don't, but only because I don't think Sky will be around that long.


Huh...?


Posted by gezzer on 03-30-2009 01:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ntscuser
I don't, but only because I don't think Sky will be around that long.
Huh! and then some.

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Posted by ntscuser on 03-30-2009 03:12 PM:

Sky is no longer the only way to access exclusive content. Their advertising revenue has fallen off a cliff. There's a massive recession coming and subscription TV is something a lot of people will find they can live without.

I'm not saying I think Sky will disappear overnight, but probably before 3D becomes a domestic reality which could be some years away, if ever.


Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-30-2009 05:24 PM:

It's true that Sky is a luxury, but the majority of users would find it hard to give up Sky+ functionality and would likely only downgrade their service rather than give it up. Now that HD boxes have come down in price and channel lineup increased it is likely that proliferation will increase as people find cheaper forms of entertainment.

Additionally Sky own exclusivity on many "must see" shows which they rent out to the other service providers whose coverage isn't as widespread as their own.

Remember when we had Astra and BSB - that became Sky how many years ago? Since then they've outsourced a number of services including customer support, installation, and box production; they've bought up a large number of show rights and partnered with US providers, and refined their service from analog to digital; from 60cm dishes to minidish, killed Tivo in the UK, and gone on to HD - which they're still a front-runner for.

Like it or not I don't see Sky disappearing in the near future, if ever. Content delivery may be big now but we don't have a network to support it en masse, which is where Sky Anytime succeeds - once they support personalised suggestions it will kill off the BT Vision offerings.

For those US readers wondering what we're talking about, Sky is our equivalent of DirecTV.


Posted by ntscuser on 03-30-2009 06:05 PM:

I'd much rather have a 21:9 display device right now than a 3D one. Most of my viewing is of 2.35:1 movies although I do watch a few 3D animations as well.


Posted by danimal39 on 03-30-2009 06:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
It's true that Sky is a luxury, but the majority of users would find it hard to give up Sky+ functionality and would likely only downgrade their service rather than give it up. Now that HD boxes have come down in price and channel lineup increased it is likely that proliferation will increase as people find cheaper forms of entertainment.

Additionally Sky own exclusivity on many "must see" shows which they rent out to the other service providers whose coverage isn't as widespread as their own.

Remember when we had Astra and BSB - that became Sky how many years ago? Since then they've outsourced a number of services including customer support, installation, and box production; they've bought up a large number of show rights and partnered with US providers, and refined their service from analog to digital; from 60cm dishes to minidish, killed Tivo in the UK, and gone on to HD - which they're still a front-runner for.

Like it or not I don't see Sky disappearing in the near future, if ever. Content delivery may be big now but we don't have a network to support it en masse, which is where Sky Anytime succeeds - once they support personalised suggestions it will kill off the BT Vision offerings.

For those US readers wondering what we're talking about, Sky is our equivalent of DirecTV.

agree ,would rather cut down unneeded channels than kill the subscription


Posted by Darlowad on 03-30-2009 09:06 PM:

I gave up on sky yrs ago

Anything worth watching is on usenet within minutes in HD!
All the major sports events are obtainable somewhere

and sky movies is a joke!!

I honestly couldn justify the sub fee for it now

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 03-30-2009 09:33 PM:

Two words, Eurovox & Usenet


BUT. can you get the same 3d shit on ya shit at home damit

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Posted by Neversoft on 03-30-2009 09:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Darlowad
I gave up on sky yrs ago

Anything worth watching is on usenet within minutes in HD!
All the major sports events are obtainable somewhere

and sky movies is a joke!!

I honestly couldn justify the sub fee for it now

I'm in total agreement with this... While there's some shows on Sky I'd like to watch and specific channels that I'd like to have, I refuse to buy into their stupid "packs" idea for the channels. Call my cynical but they appear designed to "miss" a channel that should be in one pack and put it in another to encourage you to buy both. Well guess what Mr Sky, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU WITH A RUSTY CLAW HAMMER.

Seriously, if I could pay a small fee to get Sky One and a handful of other specific channels I'd get it tomorrow but the channels I want are spread throughout the channel packs so fuck em, I'll stick with Usenet and if I'm in a hurry I'll use the option to play while downloading in AltBinz

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 03-30-2009 09:59 PM:

I wouldn't expect a glut of Sky subbers in here, but for the majority of the country who don't understand usenet/torrents, it does the job - and will for a while yet!


Posted by Bakkoda on 03-30-2009 10:09 PM:

if there were more soccer/football releases, id be content with just me, my popcorn hour and my pc. *sigh*


Posted by ntscuser on 03-30-2009 10:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
BUT. can you get the same 3d shit on ya shit at home damit
Not without special glasses and in some cases an add-on box of special trickery. Even then the results are very hit & miss.


Posted by Scannerdarkly on 03-30-2009 11:27 PM:

I went to the theatre to see Coraline in 3D.

I went in thinking it would be a gimmick.
Turned out it blew my mind.

I dont think i could or would be able to watch it on a normal TV after i'd seen it in
the new glorious 3D.


Posted by gezzer on 03-30-2009 11:52 PM:

I got sky for the football, everyone in our house is footy mad.

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Posted by gezzer on 03-30-2009 11:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bakkoda
if there were more soccer/football releases, id be content with just me, my popcorn hour and my pc. *sigh*

I thought channel four racing might be more your thing.

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Posted by wob on 03-31-2009 12:14 AM:

i remember when i got cable in years ago i couldnt understand why there was no footy matches shown 3pm on saturdays ...got it took out after my first year contract was up now i have starview boxes in living room and 2 bedrooms and if virgin move to nagra 3 and issue new boxes after this recession it wouldnt worry me in the slightest UNLESS sky start showing all the fixtures on numerous channels on a saturday @3pm

btw before starviews dbox 2's


Posted by ntscuser on 03-31-2009 01:55 AM:

All the footie fans around here have big dishes pointed in a different direction to Sky. Don't know why though?


Posted by punzada on 03-31-2009 05:03 AM:

gimmicky, not fun. head tracking will have it's purpose for gaming, all other 3d is basically still shit.


Posted by baha on 03-31-2009 03:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Darlowad
I gave up on sky yrs ago

Anything worth watching is on usenet within minutes in HD!
All the major sports events are obtainable somewhere

and sky movies is a joke!!

I honestly couldn justify the sub fee for it now


Totally.

I actually watch far more movies, a lot quicker, and have access to every PL match live (and from virtually every major sports event in virtually any league) since giving up Sky...all thanks to bethere for about £20/month.

However, the reports that I've read about Sky's 3D footy trial (same one linked in NS's post) may be the only thing that would make me consider a subscription.

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Posted by baha on 03-31-2009 03:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bakkoda
if there were more soccer/football releases, id be content with just me, my popcorn hour and my pc. *sigh*

There are PLENTY of torrent/direct dl sites where members cap matches. One in particular I'm involved with is has virtually every game from the top leagues around Europe (everything from goal highlights to full games, usually in everything from halfsize rmbv through avi/x264 to full HD) and quite a bit from South America and the odds bits from US/Australia/Africa. If there's a game which has even the remotest interest it'll be available.

Search "football" and "torrents" you'll find plenty enough sites.

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Posted by Bakkoda on 03-31-2009 07:28 PM:

EPL is about all I watch as its the only thing TW gives us on FSC. Not a Serie A fan and we dont get La Liga.

Ill have to nose around, ty.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 03-31-2009 09:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by baha
Totally.

I actually watch far more movies, a lot quicker, and have access to every PL match live (and from virtually every major sports event in virtually any league) since giving up Sky...all thanks to bethere for about £20/month.

However, the reports that I've read about Sky's 3D footy trial (same one linked in NS's post) may be the only thing that would make me consider a subscription.



The streams online are watchable (still I watch quite a few pool games online) but not that great. Unless of course you are on a private channel.



I'v been to one 3D movie snce the new technology was launched in cinemas, thought it was gimicky and doubt it will last. I'd like to go to that place in France Geezer was on about though, looks awesome.


Posted by Ripper on 03-31-2009 09:57 PM:

I have jaws 3D from japan on disc, totally unwatchable as i dont have glasses

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 03-31-2009 10:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
and if virgin move to nagra 3 and issue new boxes after this recession it wouldnt worry me in the slightest

btw before starviews dbox 2's




nagra 3?

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Posted by wob on 03-31-2009 10:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
nagra 3?


well this has been posted on a forum i frequent today

Ireland Gone To N2
Well it finally happened N*l have started thier switch over to N2. All of the Priemium Ch are gone including Setanta,Sky Movies, Chelsea Liverpool Man Utd Celtic & pornos gone. Sky sports nearly gone only have 1 & 2 But they will be gone tomorrow. Its only a matter of time before they will go to N3 as they are dishing out the N3 cards to new subscribers now. So will Virgin take a Leaf out of N*l Ireland. ?????????

nagra 2 which we in uk are on is hacked even before it was rolled out anyways nagravision 3 isnt hacked and apparently ntl will have to issue new boxes so ive read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagravision


Posted by Ripper on 03-31-2009 10:43 PM:

^^^ NTL have been switching boxes and modems off for a while now and they know who are using them too god knows how though

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Posted by wob on 03-31-2009 11:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ripper
^^^ NTL have been switching boxes and modems off for a while now and they know who are using them too god knows how though


boxes havent been hit from november ie starviews/eurovoxes ie ofcourse if you have flashed them to latest au firmware..regarding the modems they went off last week and any cloned modems that are getting new macs are getting hit within hours..im actually on my brothers legit modem atm gonna bite the bullet and get a motorolla surfboard modem this week as they are still working


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