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Posted by X69 on 07-08-2005 05:42 AM:

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Posted by bbthumper on 07-08-2005 05:44 AM:

......video and audio are excellent. Its the whole movie so that a bonus too......

Video-8
Audio-8
Movie-9

Posted by scottymac on 07-08-2005 05:54 AM:

8/8/8

Nice Release. Decent movie.

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Posted by weedchemist on 07-08-2005 06:20 AM:

Great release! A bit late on posting this rls here... Pic is fantastic albeit slightly side cropped and sound is good but not the best. cheers to the ones behind this! 9/6.5/8.5 I loved the movie!

::edited because after the full watch of this release i had to change the sound score, the sound reminds me of a workprint that some sound hadnt been added or normalized/touched up... some times its too low sometimes high, just look at cd2 when the military goes and tries to fight, the sound is low during war time? hmm...::

Posted by bobbish on 07-08-2005 06:44 AM:

very nice rls. a bit of cropping on the sides, but pic is great! dark scenes are good too. audio is great too.

9/8.5/7

Posted by KillaK on 07-08-2005 08:50 AM:

9/8/10 for me

Can anyone confirm that this is mono sound? I'm definitely not hearing stereo and all the sound seems to come out of the centre speaker for me.

Damn good release though

BTW, is this pretty much the 3cd SVCD version that just got posted? Kinda running up the miles downloading multiple copies.....thank god for the sample.

Posted by pacattack81 on 07-08-2005 10:13 AM:

definately not a 9 due to the fact it seems a bit blurry to me

video-8.5
audio-haven't really listened to it closely...seems good

Posted by kopykat on 07-08-2005 10:21 AM:

war.of.the.worlds.2005.tc.xvid.

this is nice ,good telecine,picture quality nice, audio nice.
worth waiting a week for . all previous ts.cams good try but this version blows them all away.go for it.one for your collection------------kopykatkopykat

Posted by bluester on 07-08-2005 10:37 AM:

Video: 9
Audio: 8
Movie: 7

Great release!

Posted by mattmatt02 on 07-08-2005 11:11 AM:

i saw the sample last night and to me it looks like the telecine of "unleashed" that was released a while back. its very nice and graininess/artifacts are to a minimum.

as a tc:

10/9.5/will go an see next week

Posted by RussTC3 on 07-08-2005 07:52 PM:

V: 9
A: 8
M: 10

I think the SVCD is a little more clearer, but that could just be my eyes, they both look excellent.

The audio is very good as well, just a little deduction for a little hissing, and it seems like it's mono, not stereo.

Like I said for the SVCD, this movie kicked ass, watched it in the cinema, and once on my TV.

Posted by shark on 07-08-2005 07:56 PM:

Unlike the majority of those above, I think this is very poor for TC source.

Worth no more than 6/6, very dark, and pixellated, several encoding problems. Audio very quiet in places, very loud in others. Movie is disjointed. Some scenes don't link to others indicating heavy editing.

Certainly nothing close to the hype imo but it killed a couple of hours for me last night...

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Posted by krakraille on 07-08-2005 08:27 PM:

wow, amazing quality for such a recent movie, and respect to the grp considering the late events...
got this before seeing the svcd came out, but I think this one is good enough

slight crop but good pic, clear audio

8/9/?

Posted by workz on 07-08-2005 09:15 PM:

Good release, nice colours, sound is a bit quiet.

Nuked for stolen audio.... but who cares

8/8/5

Posted by wixmmm on 07-08-2005 09:49 PM:

i haven't seen the whole movie yet, but i've skimmed through the FULL DOWNLOAD.

I'm disappointed its not widescreen, but only because my computer outputs to a 16x9 tv.

The audio sounds clear to me at all the spots I skipped to and the picture could be really great with some tinkering of saturation, contrast, brightness and maybe a little gamma and hue in VLC...

Totally watchable, great, great release.

And i don't understand why people think we care about their opinion of a 10 megabyte sample... when I read comments I want them from the people who have the WHOLE movie, not the sample absolutely anyone can, and always should, check out for themselves.... god people, what kind of pirated movie gurus do you think you are? download the whole thing THEN tell us what you think you idiots.

the worst is the people who have only seen the sample yet conviniently don't mention if they are basing their 'rating' on the sample or full... you're not fooling anyone.

::EDIT:: You're WRONG... You're here to rate the quality of the release not the movie, the sample is enough for that - NS::

Posted by JonBlaze87 on 07-08-2005 10:22 PM:

nice tc. not the best but very good . color seems a bit dull but other than that the pic is great. sound is good. watching movie tonight looks awsome.

8
8
9 loved it

Posted by fluffinator on 07-08-2005 10:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shark
Unlike the majority of those above, I think this is very poor for TC source.

Worth no more than 6/6, very dark, and pixellated, several encoding problems. Audio very quiet in places, very loud in others. Movie is disjointed. Some scenes don't link to others indicating heavy editing.

Certainly nothing close to the hype imo but it killed a couple of hours for me last night...

Well, i agree it's dark in places.
Ever hear of a telecine? dark goes without saying.

As for the audio being quite and loud in places, than k speilburg and all other directors making movies right now, all movies seem to be geared for home theatre sound, making talking quiet but sound effects/music loud as hell.

I didn't find any scenes not linking with others, and as this being the third time i've watched this flick, 1 being in the theatre, it seemed to be perfect.

It does have a slight blurr to the picture overall, but there's not ghosting, so it's a fair tradeoff.

If you could maybe pin point some scenes that you feel aren't linked, we can try to verify that.

8/8/6

movie was weak, some good scenes but they killed it with the ending.

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Posted by solostar on 07-08-2005 10:46 PM:

Overall I felt this was a very decent release. I didn't notice any blurring at all, and the dark scenes were actually pretty crisp, nice colors and all.
I'll be the first to admit that I dont sit through films looking for flaws and such, as long as I can watch it without anything 'quality-wise' distracting me then I'm happy. If all telecine releases were of this nice quality I would be happy.

Rating full release:
Video: 9 - Nice, crisp, and almost perfect, except for a couple minor glitches on CD 2.
Audio: 8.5 - Sound was clear and not distorted, although the speaking parts were sometimes pretty low compared to the explosions, effects, etc. But as someone else pointed out, that may be due to the way the film was made and not because of a fault from the release group.
Film: 6.5 - Not great but entertaining nonetheless. A few times I had to shut my brain off to get past things that just didnt make sense to me. Worth the 2 hours to watch.

Posted by HBx2000 on 07-08-2005 11:09 PM:

V = 8, because the basement scene is good visible.
A = 7, because there's a slight hiss and it sounds mono.
M = 9, because all the time there was a nice tension.

Posted by Mollins on 07-08-2005 11:19 PM:

Video - 9 Pretty bloody crisp, but in a few scenes these wee dot kept appearing in the centre of the screen
Audio - 8 Good job on the audio, Got pretty quiet on some of the talking parts though, likely its just the way it was made though
Movie - 5 Hmmm, Id rather have it set in victorian England, with just one man. I mean how fucking annoying was Dakota Fanning? i hate her soo much. And i didnt like the idea of the machines being underground already. Just stick the the original story Spielberg you fucknut

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Posted by DEMENTA on 07-09-2005 02:52 AM:

Just finished watching the whole rls. I think this release it absolutely beautiful. It has almost perfect colors(which is quite rare these days for a TC). The only thing wrong with it in fact, is the bit o croppin as it's 4x3 ws, but definately not 16x9. I am as happy as could be with this one!

Video - 9
Audio - 9
Movie - 8

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Posted by BLUE-NEO on 07-09-2005 04:23 AM:

Good Shit....Okay Now Bye!

10/9/6 Movie was decent but not great..

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Posted by T.M. on 07-09-2005 10:42 AM:

8/8/6

Very nice release, glad I waited. Was a bit dissapointed with the movie though. Nothing really seemed to happen and the ending was shit. Thought Dakota Fanning wasn't bad. Like I read in a previous post, for a 10 year old in a world getting took over by aliens, she took it pretty well!

Posted by ao33 on 07-09-2005 12:21 PM:

not a general rating, but tc raiting

solid 10 for video, as close to perfect it gets... I haven't watched the entire release but I watched from when the first tripod appears until they get to the van as well as the ferry scene and didn't notice a bit of pixelation, even during the overhead shots with all the people moving around. there's a small amount of general reel artifacts but if anything I find it adds

sound gets an 8.5 only because i've seen this twice in the theatre and I know how badly this needs to be heard in full surround

the movie get a 9.5... the movie was far more than I could have expected, especially from a "summer blockbuster" the .5 is lost simply because, altough I liked the ending, I found it rather abrupt

Posted by yukichigai on 07-09-2005 12:24 PM:

Nice release

Well well, quite a release from XViD. I'm rather impressed. EXCEPT THAT IT'S THE WRONG F%$#ING FRAMERATE. F%$#ing hell guys, when will you release groups learn that speeding a movie up to match 25fps isn't okay? Seriously. Why doesn't anybody nuke for that? I would....

Fortunately I know how to work AviSynth, so I was able to write an AviSynth Script to slow it back down to the proper speed on the fly. As an added bonus, it effectively "joins" both the files as it plays, which means I didn't even notice where the filebreaks were when I was watching it. No messing around with playlists, no delays, just one seamless movie. I'll post the how-to at the bottom for anybody who cares.

Anyway, the review.

Video: 9

Excellent quality, I could easily believe this to be a DVD were it not for the cropping. The dark color theme of the flick helped it though, so something bright and cheery might not have looked quite so DVD-esque. Cropping is a definite downside though, but not a severe one. The framerate is a serious issue which I am amazed nobody else has addressed yet.

Audio: 8.5

Audio came out a little tinny at times, but overall very good. Could be due to the fact that the audio was sped up and then slowed down, which sort of limited the frequency ranges. Certainly nothing to complain about too much; I doubt the average person would notice unless they really tried.

Movie: 8

The overall tone of the movie was very dark, very apocalyptic, which is really what The War of the Worlds should be like. Dakota Fanning was needlessly annoying in the earlier parts of the movie, but that was the script and not her acting. Tom Cruise was, as always, the instantly likable hero. Other performances were good; Tim Robbins really knows how to be totally whacked out. CGI wasn't too over-the-top; a lot of it was just good ol' fashioned set magic, or appeared to be so. The movie went on pretty strong until the very end, where it kind of went, "oh hey look the movie's over! WHOOPIE!!!!" So... yeah, not too bad. I'd watch it again, maybe.

And now for the AviSynth Script I promised. This requires you have AviSynth installed. Google it and get it if you don't.

(Stuff in angle brackets -- < > -- is stuff you need to replace with the actual filenames/etc.)

Create a file in the same directory as both the movie files named "<movie name>.avs" and open it in notepad. In the file put in the following:

AVISource("<first movie file>.avi",true)++AVISource("<second movie file>.avi",true)
AssumeFPS(23.976,true)

Save the file, then open it with whatever media player you use.

The only downside is that it pre-converts the audio to PCM, without boosting the volume or anything else. This is only a problem for releases with AC3 audio usually, like this one. You may have to crank your speaker volume to hear anything.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed this release isn't AC3 audio, it's mp3, and high bitrate (~226kbps) at that. Very nice. Still sounds the same, but it means that converting it to AC3 at the proper speed won't ruin the quality.

Posted by mattmatt02 on 07-09-2005 12:39 PM:

not sure if it just my telly, but on the scenes where the screen is black (like after the dreamworks logo) it appears to have a strong red tint to it.

i only noticed this after i put it on the tv though, couldnt really see it on the pc monitor. i found it a bit odd because it is the first copy of a film that i have had that on so im guessing its this release...

still amazing though

9/8/not seen yet

Posted by T.M. on 07-09-2005 02:27 PM:

Does anyone know if there is anything cut from the russian version. The runtime is just under 108 mins including credits for this and on IMDB it says 116 mins?

Posted by Earthspawn on 07-09-2005 02:54 PM:

Has anyone nocticed that CD2's audio is shorter than the Video? Because after putting it in VirtualDub to check the frame rate out , the audio frame rate is 25048fps where the Video is 25000fps the same with the audio and video times Audio is 56:18:89 Mins and Video is 56:20:28 Mins,
Now the xvid is in sync funny enougth dont know why, but when i try to convert to dvd the audio is way out of sync where as CD1 is fine.
Can anyone help me on this? i need to find a way to make the audio and video match on CD2.

Or if you have the same problem tell me what you did to correct it plz.

Thanks

p.s Just seen CD1 is the same, auido and video times are different but frame rate is fine but audio go's off snyc when converting or extracting the audio to wav

Posted by pvt_klaas on 07-09-2005 05:32 PM:

I watched it through yesterday:
Over the whole line is it a clear vid. The dark scenes come out very nice only the soundvolume is a little bit low.
As for the bitrate for cd2::
havn't noticed it before you guys said it. Because no sync problems. So I can't really see the problem (except for
converters)
Anyway:
9/8/6

Posted by freaky_00 on 07-09-2005 06:16 PM:

Re: Nice release

First off:

V:8(cropped)/A:9/M:9

Saw it in the movies!

quote:
Originally posted by yukichigai
Well well, quite a release from XViD. I'm rather impressed. EXCEPT THAT IT'S THE WRONG F%$#ING FRAMERATE. F%$#ing hell guys, when will you release groups learn that speeding a movie up to match 25fps isn't okay? Seriously. Why doesn't anybody nuke for that? I would....

Excuse me but do you know that 25fps is PAL. To my knowledge only a few countries use 23,976 or 29,976 fps like USA and Japan. Why is it so bad for you releasing it in 25fps? NTSC is inferior to PAL. I am quite happy to see it is 25fps!!!

Posted by vegasguy on 07-09-2005 08:52 PM:

Hey now,

Killer release, great quality,

V:8
A:9
M:7

Posted by ao33 on 07-10-2005 12:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Earthspawn
Has anyone nocticed that CD2's audio is shorter than the Video? Because after putting it in VirtualDub to check the frame rate out , the audio frame rate is 25048fps where the Video is 25000fps the same with the audio and video times Audio is 56:18:89 Mins and Video is 56:20:28 Mins,
Now the xvid is in sync funny enougth dont know why, but when i try to convert to dvd the audio is way out of sync where as CD1 is fine.
Can anyone help me on this? i need to find a way to make the audio and video match on CD2.

Or if you have the same problem tell me what you did to correct it plz.

Thanks

p.s Just seen CD1 is the same, auido and video times are different but frame rate is fine but audio go's off snyc when converting or extracting the audio to wav

i don't know i've i've ever seen a perfect audio video match... i use dvd-lab and there's always a few second difference between audio and video. anyways, I authored with dvd-lab pro and it turned out fine... try using diko to convert... it's so simple

Posted by dimalife on 07-10-2005 02:31 AM:

8/8/7

audio is ok; not sure about the technical sides of it, but there's a slight occasional fluctuation in volume. Video is okay, although i've seen some better TC's.

i'm curious, shouldn't they drop out the frames with identification dot patterns that pop up occasionally?

Posted by bobbish on 07-10-2005 03:19 AM:

Re: Nice release

quote:
Originally posted by yukichigai
Well well, quite a release from XViD. I'm rather impressed. EXCEPT THAT IT'S THE WRONG F%$#ING FRAMERATE. F%$#ing hell guys, when will you release groups learn that speeding a movie up to match 25fps isn't okay? Seriously. Why doesn't anybody nuke for that? I would....

Video: 9
The framerate is a serious issue which I am amazed nobody else has addressed yet.

lol, you do realize that 25fps = PAL which is very valid.
most telecine's you'll see are PAL. and as this is russian sourced, it is the proper framerate.

anyway, i finished watching the rls and i'll probably bump down my audio score (originally based from sample) down to a 7/7.5 b/c there are some inconsistencies in the levels/tracks.

Posted by yukichigai on 07-10-2005 05:53 AM:

Re: Re: Nice release

quote:
Originally posted by freaky_00
Excuse me but do you know that 25fps is PAL. To my knowledge only a few countries use 23,976 or 29,976 fps like USA and Japan. Why is it so bad for you releasing it in 25fps? NTSC is inferior to PAL. I am quite happy to see it is 25fps!!!

The reason why this is a problem is because the movie's original framerate was 23.976fps, and the adaptation method the groups use to compensate for this is to speed the movie up. This means the audio gets sped up as well, and on a lot of films it makes the sound very annoying, at least to me. I believe the movie should be kept in its original framerate whenever possible; I don't complain when European movies get released at 25fps, because converting to 23.976fps would be done by slowing the movie down, thereby distorting the audio.

More to the point, there's no real reason why a DivX/XviD encode should be at any framerate other than the original. DVDRs and (S)VCDs, okay, I can accept that most of the world uses PAL. Still drives me up the wall, but I can accept it. DivX, on the other hand, is a computer format, and doesn't need a specific framerate to be compatible. As far as I know, all the standalone DivX players will also do framerate conversions if necessary anyway. Speeding up the movie on a DivX release reduces the quality unnecessarily.

Posted by HeADboNE on 07-10-2005 12:13 PM:

awesome release as good as saosin at top of there game
8/9/7
all there proper sound not pot cam added etc as other releases

Posted by welmer43 on 07-10-2005 12:28 PM:

dank je voor de mooie release..

Posted by yukichigai on 07-10-2005 11:27 PM:

Re: Re: Nice release

quote:
Originally posted by bobbish
lol, you do realize that 25fps = PAL which is very valid.
most telecine's you'll see are PAL. and as this is russian sourced, it is the proper framerate.

It would be valid if the conversion method the studio had used was something other than speeding up the movie. I'm not saying 25fps is an invalid framerate by itself, I'm saying that the conversion method used to get the movie there is inferior and degrades the audio quality, not to mention makes the thing 1/24th faster. As I mentioned, this is wholly unnecessary with a DivX release.

Posted by Redemption198 on 07-10-2005 11:41 PM:

yukichigai, as you obviously must know, Region2 and a few others use PAL on all DVD's, so we constantly have speeded up audio, cant say i like it, but unless you have heard the original then you arent gonna notice its speeded up.

As had previously been said, these TC are recorded in PAL using countries so are gonna use 25fps, and speeding up does not reduce the quality of the sound at all, it just changes it, and doesn't affect the video quality at all, quite the opposite as PAL has a higher resolution, and all TC and decent TS are gonna be PAL, so get used to it.

Anyways very nice release, great quality so early, nice colours, very clear and easy to see, couple of mild problems but nothing unwatchable.

Sound isnt great, but does the job to listen to it, and has no serious problems.

9/7/?

Posted by yukichigai on 07-11-2005 12:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redemption1980
yukichigai, as you obviously must know, Region2 and a few others use PAL on all DVD's, so we constantly have speeded up audio, cant say i like it, but unless you have heard the original then you arent gonna notice its speeded up.

As had previously been said, these TC are recorded in PAL using countries so are gonna use 25fps, and speeding up does not reduce the quality of the sound at all, it just changes it, and doesn't affect the video quality at all, quite the opposite as PAL has a higher resolution, and all TC and decent TS are gonna be PAL, so get used to it.

I'm sure the mods are about ready to kill me so I'll make this my last post on the topic.

With TCs I do agree that using PAL resolutions for DVDRs and (S)VCDs does make the video quality better. However, DivX/XviD releases are not tied to any specific resolution or framerate. I honestly cannot see any reason why DivX/XviD TCs from European countries should use any framerate besides the original, especially since US-released movies shown in European theaters are almost invariably shown at 23.976fps. Unless the groups are getting their sound from sources that have already been sped up -- something I find unlikely -- they are degrading the sound quality, since they have to speed it up and then resample to get it back to 48000Hz.

Now TSes are an entirely different matter. Yes, TSes on (S)VCD do have higher resolution. However, it's almost a given that a TS will have "motion blur", which is nothing but the visible effects of recording a 23.976fps film on a 25fps camera. I don't fault the groups for this at all, since the only solution would be to import a camera that records in 23.976fps, and I imagine that's quite costly. This is, however, a perfect example of how using PAL for higher resolution is not always the ideal solution. If groups were able to use cameras that recorded in the appropriate framerate then there would be no motion blur on TSes.

Anyway, I'm done ranting about this here. I'm game if anybody wants to PM me and discuss this, but I'll stop wasting post space for this release.

Posted by dsspos on 07-11-2005 03:31 AM:

the Xvid version is a little better than the SVCD. Xvid is a little clearer and sharper.

i had trouble converting the Xvid to DVD. it gets stretched a little tall.

redoing it with WinAVI 6.3.

thanks to uploader. a great one.

Posted by smurphster on 07-11-2005 10:44 AM:

Great picture, geat audio (if a little quiet) Great release all round really!

V: 8 (slightly cropped)
S: 8 (slightly quiet)
F: 5

Don't even get me started on this waste of good HDD space... the release quality was brilliant, but as for the film itself - I am glad i didnt waste money seeing it at the flix, because i'd rather spend it on the original film on DVD.

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Posted by andrews on 07-11-2005 07:31 PM:

the best yet by far.the colours are a bit washed out in some scenes. video 7.5 audio i think is good 9 .but the movie was a bit disappointing, i thought alot more could have been done with the amount of money that was supposedily spent 7

Posted by Exious on 07-12-2005 03:59 PM:

8/7/9

Good shit.....

Audio was a little low on volume.... but not bad

Video is pretty damn good...

Loved the movie... holds true to the original

Thanks to whomever brought this one around!

Posted by cerebral30 on 07-12-2005 08:01 PM:

Great Release,

One question though, I have these white pixels through the screen all the time, especially when the sound is getting louder (with the thunder for instance)

Anybody else got this and has a solution ?

Video: 8
Audio: 7
Movie: Watching at the moment A meager 6

Greetz

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Edit: Just finished watching....yeah what to say.....glad I didn't go to the cinema for this one

Posted by salmir123 on 07-22-2005 09:49 PM:

great rip

8/8/9

Posted by FrightfoO on 08-02-2005 09:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cerebral30
One question though, I have these white pixels through the screen all the time, especially when the sound is getting louder (with the thunder for instance)

It being a telecine it's going to have glitches etc. Nothing to worry about. I believe it not to be a problem, afterall I would delete it when the DVD rip comes out.

Posted by joshg1345 on 08-06-2005 11:29 PM:

This one is great compared to all the other versions! But, don't download it in the TMD-Moviez format, because it's pixelated and has low resolution. The only part that stinks is that it has russian titles, but other than that it's great! I can't wait for it to come out on dvd. I'll definitely be buying it!!!

Overall Rating:

Video: 10/10 (DVD Quality!)
Audio: 10/10
Movie: 10/10 (great summer action/sci-fi movie!)

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