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Posted by brr8760 on 12-04-2002 06:10 PM:

KS... who?

I don't know who these guys are, but if this is truly a high-quality, virgin DVD screener, then they make a HELL of a first impression.

My edit: The audio sounds great-- I'm sure next time they'll make sure it's 224. Meanwhile, they pounded out one of the best releases of the season (counter-free and 2 months pre). That leaves some of the other groups around here feeling jealous.

I don't blame them.

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Posted by [RaZoR] on 12-04-2002 06:28 PM:

hmm i dont know the rules cause im not leet , but i thought audio has to be 224kbits ... correct me if i am wrong

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Posted by THING on 12-04-2002 06:31 PM:

new guys great rls

Posted by daizepam on 12-04-2002 06:32 PM:

audio is 192k... is a nuke. KSi thought tis was a mp3? :P

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Posted by AgGz on 12-04-2002 06:46 PM:

NuKEE!!

can anyone spell nuke? 192 audio thats immediate nuke on all sites, but i could care less u can't even tell the difference unless your puttin it threw a amp

but if it wasn't for that it was a good rls

Posted by cameronsdad on 12-04-2002 06:50 PM:

I can't beleve you guys are only rating this movie 2.5 its one of the funnest I have seen in along time I give it and 8 the video is great to the audio is good to but only 192 so it's sure to get nuked. 9/7/8

Posted by scousethief on 12-04-2002 06:58 PM:

Oh well yes ill not be downloading this because im far too lazy to change the audio myself lmao like hell Shut up whining and change it yourself

Posted by mymusic on 12-04-2002 07:03 PM:

dont see to meny mp3 groups releaseing movies. 2 bad about the audio.

Posted by ebeats on 12-04-2002 07:12 PM:

AgGz... the reason for that is not because of quality, but because of dvd compatability. Not all dvd players can read 192kbps audio tracks.

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Posted by sickdick on 12-04-2002 08:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ebeats
AgGz... the reason for that is not because of quality, but because of dvd compatability. Not all dvd players can read 192kbps audio tracks.

that's stupid
because if that's teh case, its hte players fault, because SVCD allows 32-320kbit audio, and 192kbit is legit.

I just don't see any difference between 192 and 224 quality wise... i mean, ac3 is 192 for 2ch on all dvd's so what's the big deal...

Posted by ub3rk1d on 12-04-2002 08:18 PM:

Nice rls from my friends at KSi, still up for that merger lol

Also, as for 192 audio, maybe their minds were in mp3 mode

Posted by m-drew on 12-04-2002 08:26 PM:

Very nice release and MAD props to you, but make it 224kbit audio, then I will download it!

Posted by alien88 on 12-04-2002 08:31 PM:

there will be a repack later today

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Posted by TrIxT3r on 12-04-2002 08:51 PM:

nuke

Posted by Swimj on 12-04-2002 08:54 PM:

now i must say

What the fuck... other releases my ass and this got nuked for 192 audio, please do me a favor dont release if u cant get the audio right... and by the way this group sounds really cocky, horrible first impression i have on these guys...

Posted by hooah_punk on 12-04-2002 09:01 PM:

Looks great, but 192 over 224 isn't a big deal...but next time K-whatever-VCD, make it 224, so people won't get on your ass. I could care less, but oh well

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Posted by desertboy on 12-04-2002 09:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by master-drew
Im wondering if anyone is going to rip the SVCD DVDRip.

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Posted by jurzdevil on 12-04-2002 09:40 PM:

the difference between 192 and 224 is like the difference between 3.0ghz and 2.9ghz. you dont really need it but its nice to have. its all phsycological

Posted by Jurai on 12-04-2002 09:44 PM:

192 nuking is lame

192 is a valid dvd bit rate, so i think it should pass for a downsampled svcd

Posted by ub3rk1d on 12-04-2002 09:47 PM:

Re: now i must say

quote:
Originally posted by Swimj
What the fuck... other releases my ass and this got nuked for 192 audio, please do me a favor dont release if u cant get the audio right... and by the way this group sounds really cocky, horrible first impression i have on these guys...

Im guessing they no shit all about SVCD releasing, well they will know something, but they are a mp3 group, so they are also doing audio in 192, as this is, there is nothing wrong and a very good release, i dont know why they leave a bad impression this is a great release, and just when i needed it. So take your head out your arse and STFU :P

Posted by slurmman on 12-04-2002 10:01 PM:

if you can get past the audio problem, this release looks great. this movie is WONDERFUL. 9/10. Its just such a funny great family movie. I saw a very old screener, and this movies still in the top 10 movies in theaters! so this looks like a great screener with no copyright shit.

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Posted by mist_trie on 12-04-2002 10:09 PM:

i put this through a nice amp and it sounded pretty damn good don't know what the fuss is about...

Posted by scousethief on 12-04-2002 10:16 PM:

Go and buy the dvd if you dont like the audio you sound like a bunch of babies

Posted by Swimj on 12-04-2002 10:29 PM:

dude gimme a break just cuz ur in ksi, please get a life... shesh

Posted by djkoolaide on 12-04-2002 10:31 PM:

lol a few days ago i burned the ESO screener for my grandparents...and now this?!?

Posted by scousethief on 12-04-2002 10:32 PM:

who is ? me ? lol

Posted by Xiphi on 12-04-2002 10:51 PM:

Re: now i must say

quote:
Originally posted by Swimj
What the fuck... other releases my ass and this got nuked for 192 audio, please do me a favor dont release if u cant get the audio right... and by the way this group sounds really cocky, horrible first impression i have on these guys...

if you know it all better then do the rips your self..

its free and be glad that there are people out there that do this.
And if the audio isnt 224.. well who cares.. its a mistake.. just wait for another release if you dont want it. But dont start yelling like a baby. Enjoy whats out. The way you put this sounds like your just about 12 years old. Grow up......

And this is to all you out there who have a big mouth about releases. again.. Its free...

About the release:

Great job guy's wish i had the resources to do this too.

Posted by ub3rk1d on 12-04-2002 10:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by scousethief
who is ? me ? lol

think he was talking to me as i quoted him and he got upset like a baby cos he posted crap. I aint in KSi but they seem to the group i am in :P

Posted by Jugalator on 12-04-2002 11:06 PM:

I could care less if it was a 224 or 192 kbps since I'd never be able to tell the difference. I don't think many of us can tell the difference between 192 kbps and CD quality with sound equipment you normally use.

But sure, if it makes you feel happy, just wait for the repack.

Posted by opso on 12-04-2002 11:30 PM:

I'm with swimj on this badboy 192 sucks

Posted by crob on 12-04-2002 11:44 PM:

Well done, great release... If your DVD player cannot cope - upgrade

Posted by scousethief on 12-05-2002 12:08 AM:

god damn you whinge a lot its free !! if you cant be bothered re encoding the audio then dont download the bloody files and instead of whineing why not do something productive and give these groups a pat on the shoulder for getting off there arses and getting you this movie obviously unlike the rest of you who have nothing better to do than sit here whineing if you can do better do it (<--- obviously does not apply to FTF ))

Posted by opso on 12-05-2002 12:27 AM:

Nobody is really whinin' but the point bein there are scene standards and I do understand they are a new group. Just people tellin there opinion. With 192 audio leaves the release for a proper.

Posted by scousethief on 12-05-2002 12:28 AM:

if there are scene standards where do you place ftf ?

Posted by Aff on 12-05-2002 12:29 AM:

Even though the 192 doesnt REALLY matter there are still guidelines and rules so that the best quality releases can be obtained.

BTW the movie itself is really good, dunno why the votes are so low.

EDIT: And stop saying this "ITS FREE SO WHO CARES" bullshit. Its free yes, but if people dont complain about shitty movies then groups will go "ok this lame ass quality is fine enough, we wont bother trying to do better".

And the fact that its free gives the user choice to download or wait for any release group to release it from FTF TS, to TCF DVDscr.

Posted by Xiphi on 12-05-2002 12:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Aff

EDIT: And stop saying this "ITS FREE SO WHO CARES" bullshit. Its free yes, but if people dont complain about shitty movies then groups will go "ok this lame ass quality is fine enough, we wont bother trying to do better".

And the fact that its free gives the user choice to download or wait for any release group to release it from FTF TS, to TCF DVDscr.

yep true that...... complaining about a release is good... but NOT in the way Swimj did it.... he said it like he's THE ONE that knows it all. That pissed me off a bit... everybody has the right to give there opinion about a release but dont talk it down 6 feet under...

and like this: "and by the way this group sounds really cocky, horrible first impression i have on these guys"

whats that all about... what if there cocky.. so what.. there is no need to say that... no need to give people a label on a public forum. If you think that just keep it to your self.. Its there first release from what i hear.. so just wait and see what else there going to release...

I think its time for mods to check some more.. not just the first 10 and pick those reply's out and remove it from the topics...

Posted by DividedSky on 12-05-2002 02:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by sickdick
I just don't see any difference between 192 and 224 quality wise... i mean, ac3 is 192 for 2ch on all dvd's so what's the big deal...

You can't compare the bitrate of an AC-3 track on a DVD to the bitrate of an MP2 track on an SVCD. That's like saying, "well, this DIVX looks fine at 750 kbps for video, so we'll just encode this SVCD at 750 kbps for video."

On the other hand, I have no problem with 192 kbps for audio. I do it all the time when I encode Sopranos episodes that are pushing the 1 hour mark, since I'd rather have those bits for video, and I think the sound is great. And of course it's all played back through my receiver's amp, what, does everyone else just use the speakers in the TV?

I'd bet that this nuked 192 kbps audio sounds better than the unnuked crappy 224 kbps audio in the Femme Fatale proper.

Posted by bryhud on 12-05-2002 04:49 AM:

Either way... both KSi and TCF releases have been nuked, TCF didn't meet the 4 pass requirement, and KSi didn't meet the 224. KSi's repack meeting the 224 standard will be out soon and we apologize for the mistake, we won't let it happen again! :-)

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Posted by WiZZLa on 12-05-2002 05:05 AM:

KSi, stick to mp3s until you get svcds down right.

Posted by Vtec on 12-05-2002 06:07 AM:

It seems as though alot of people here are misunderstanding the reasoning for 224kbit mpeg audio as the standard. It's not a matter of hearing the differences of 192kbit versus 224kbit audio, it's that some dvd players may or may not be able to handle 192kbit mpeg audio even if they are able to handle 192kbit AC3 audio (LISTEN, mpeg audio and ac3 audio are 2 seperate formats!). Some players may result in no audio or audio delays if bitrate is below 224kbit, for those telling individuals to go upgrade their dvd player is they can't play 192kbit are morons... My advice is save your $ and just download a proper for free.

Posted by cadillact on 12-05-2002 02:04 PM:

I dont give a darn

Must be a lot of babies here since everybody complains.

You can all sit and watch a telesynch without crying but then when it comes a dvd scr or rip in svcd you all cry like a 1 year old.

When the audio is not in the right format(224).

It cant be that many players who cant handle 192 or other off bitrate or hz audio.

So if a group wants to do it in 192 or whatever its their choice.

You choice is to download or not and not act like a 2 year old who screams in a supermarket when you dont get any candy.

Posted by vorbis on 12-05-2002 03:39 PM:

saw some person posted they're putting up a repack. will they have space on the disks to fit in the extra bits or will they have to encode it all over again? Seems like a waste of time if they have to re-encode.

Posted by Vtec on 12-05-2002 05:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by vorbis
saw some person posted they're putting up a repack. will they have space on the disks to fit in the extra bits or will they have to encode it all over again? Seems like a waste of time if they have to re-encode.

it'll have to be re-encoded.

Posted by Comedy on 12-05-2002 07:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sickdick

that's stupid
because if that's teh case, its hte players fault, because SVCD allows 32-320kbit audio, and 192kbit is legit.

I just don't see any difference between 192 and 224 quality wise... i mean, ac3 is 192 for 2ch on all dvd's so what's the big deal...

It may be the players fault but everyone knows (especially release groups) that not many can handle it, so the best thing to do would be to release it in a format you know is compatible, not one you know isn't

Posted by Vtec on 12-05-2002 09:47 PM:

Well enough of all of this bickering which is stupid anyways, 90% of the users on this forum don't even know about scene standards but all of your prayers of this movie have been answered:

Download My.Big.Fat.Greek.Wedding.DVD.SCREENER.SVCD-KSiVCD (5 pass VBR) if you player can handle 192kbit mpeg audio.

Download My.Big.Fat.Greek.Wedding.PROPER.DVD.SCREENER.SVCD-TCF (3 pass VBR) for a fully complaint rip (available a few hours after)

OR Download My.Big.Fat.Greek.Wedding.DVD.SCREENER.SVCD.REPACK-KSiVCD (4 pass VBR [dupe, why lower the amount of passes if you had all the time in the world to repack after a proper was available]) for a fully compliant rip (available an hour ago)

All rips look identical, non action film at 2100+ video bitrate so the amount of passes don't really improve quality that much, each pass is like a motion detection filter to reduce pixelation and blocks... less motion, less improvement even with more passes (this movie isn't worth 3 rips imo, hope someone doesn't do a 5pass proper repack lol)

For those that don't know, if I can remember correctly the scene standards are:
480x480 res (NTSC) 480x576 (PAL)
224kbit audio
2+ passes VBR (anything over 5-6 passes can not be detected with the human eye, unless you're superman)
max bitrate shouldn't exceed 2520, total bitrate should be below 2700/2800 or something.
118-120mins on 2CD
must be bin/cue

if you don't know now you know, if releasing anything below 224kbit is ok than all groups should release films at 128-192kbit to save more bitrate for video, just my 2 cents.

Posted by WiZZLa on 12-06-2002 08:58 AM:

that repack is a waste of time IMO. some places nuked the first for 192kbit audio, and places will probably nuke the repack for being a dupe of TCF. I don't see many people wasting their time with it.

Posted by bryhud on 12-06-2002 07:53 PM:

Actually... they were both nukes, ksi's because of audio and tcf's because only 3 passes. So the repack is the only one that follows the "scene's" standards. And again... we will get the next one right! :-)

Here are the Scene Guidlines in case any one is interested

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³ The SVCD Releasing Standards 2002 ³
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³ ÀÄÄÄ[ RELEASE RULES ]ÄÄÄÙ ³
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³ PROPERS: ³
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³ - No previous releases may be propered based on audio or video bitrate. ³
³ - Propers will be allowed in the case of technical problems, bad aspect ³
³ ratio, sync problems, skipping/freezing, interlaced, bad ivtc, etc ³
³ ³
³ VIDEO: ³
³ ³
³ - Must be at least 1750kbit average, with a maximum of 2450kbit. ³
³ - TMPGENC: 2 pass minimum ³
³ - CCE: 4 pass minimum ³
³ - Menus allowed. (see notes) ³
³ - Subtitles allowed (and encouraged for foreign releases) ³
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³ AUDIO: ³
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³ - Minimum 224kbit @ 44.1khz (regardless of source) ³
³ - Secondary tracks shall be 224 or LESS ³
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³ PACKAGING: ³
³ ³
³ - All releases must be BIN/CUE. (remove path from cue files) ³
³ - Must be packed with RAR, compression is NOT ALLOWED ³
³ and broken into 15 or 20 MB volumes ³
³ - Recovery record recommended. ³
³ - Must have SFV ³
³ - Must have NFO ³
³ - NFO MUST INCLUDE: ³
³ Group name ³
³ Title ³
³ Actual SVCD release date ³
³ DVD release date ³
³ US theater release date ³
³ Audio bitrate ³
³ Video minimum/average/maximum bitrate ³
³ Movie runtime/length ³
³ IMDB/adultdvdempire link ³
³ Number of rars per cd (eg. 44x15MB) ³
³ ³
³ SAMPLES: ³
³ ³
³ - REQUIRED ³
³ - Minimum 30 seconds, maximum 1 full minute in length and in separate ³
³ folder marked 'SAMPLE'. ³
³ - MUST be taken from the movie - NOT encoded separately. ³
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³ DIRECTORY NAMING: ³
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³ - Directory names shall NOT exceed 64 characters. ³
³ - All releases are to include production year. ³
³ - DO NOT indicate Ripping method (CBR/VBR/CCE/TMPGENC and so on), ³
³ WS (widescreen), DVD/SVCD release DATE, GENRE or anything else ³
³ in the directory name (ONLY within the NFO). ³
³ - Acceptable characters in naming a directory include (NO spaces or ³
³ double dots - single dots or underscores ONLY): ³
³ ³
³ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY
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³ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy
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³ 0123456789 . -_ ³
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³ - All Release directories, regardless of year, shall be named ³
³ according to Movie.Name.Year.Source.Codec-Group ³
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³ ³
³ - Releases that are more than 1 CD will follow these specs: ³
³ - MUST be named CD1, CD2, CD3 and so on. ('disc1', etc will NOT ³
³ be allowed). ³
³ - There MUST be a SFV included for each CD. ³

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Posted by pHo on 12-06-2002 08:05 PM:

i dont believe the guidelines above are enforced, but are just one of a few guidelines that have been published. to be honest, for a guidelines set, thats very lacking in detail. the other set are from the SVCD Council, and again is not enforced.. but they go into more detail. that just seems a copy of TDX that took 10 mins to write.

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Posted by WiZZLa on 12-07-2002 08:14 AM:

TCF's was 3 pass, but doesn't say if they used TMpeg or CCE, and they normally used TMPeg, don't they? I'm not sure... is there something like EncSpot for mpgs?

Posted by yazooo on 12-08-2002 05:47 PM:

why isn't the info on KSi rls of an XviD DVD SCR of this movie up?
just wondering...

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