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Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-18-2003 11:13 AM:

Cannibal Holocaust UNEDITED *READ NFO* - LASERDISC - SNATCH

*yawn* Waste of time. The uncut DVD has been available for ages under the EC Entertainment label.

I have a feeling this is from the Japanese Laserdisc. Which IS fully uncut, but is optically censored. So technically, what's the damn point?

I used to think a lot of this movie, now i've seen movies of a stronger, sicker calibre which are much better than this thanks to SiCK and BW etc.

The LD transfer is crappy and the audio is a gab on the smelly side too. I think i'll keep my uncut DVD thanks.

Nice to see a group like SNATCH about though if they have a few more bits similar to this for pre.

6/7/5

edit: Oh, and for proof - http://www.xploitedcinema.com/dvds/dvds.asp?title=407


Posted by xlsvcd on 08-18-2003 12:11 PM:

^^^ nice post with useful information ^^^

did you actually buy that dvd because after reading that NFO file, it seems like some sick shit...

anyways, quality as already stated is shit.

enjoy you sick freaks.


Posted by Nifty on 08-18-2003 12:35 PM:

this movie is just sick i wouldnt d/l it
but thats my opinion aint it


Posted by M_W on 08-18-2003 01:20 PM:

The DVD Mystic Slippers linked to is NOT uncut but the first release by EC was uncut! (the non-anamorphic one). It is the fake documetary "Road to hell" shown in the movie thath is cut, some of the executions are missing .

And for the release
5/6/9


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-18-2003 04:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by M_W
The DVD Mystic Slippers linked to is NOT uncut but the first release by EC was uncut! (the non-anamorphic one). It is the fake documetary "Road to hell" shown in the movie thath is cut, some of the executions are missing .

And for the release
5/6/9



That's the release i have. The original. The link is an example as it's the only one i could find. My print is deleted.

I own it so i know. So an LD rip from the censored Japanese Laserdisc release isn't exactly warranted is it?

It's a shit film anyway.


Posted by dogcow on 08-18-2003 05:28 PM:

the canadian DVD is also from the EC uncut laserdisc, u can get it for like $9 on ebay or in some stores.

nice try on this release tho its a good film, probably should have released cleaner looking stills tho :-/

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Posted by th3whiterabbi7 on 08-18-2003 05:35 PM:

finally a real uncut release....this will hold me over till i buy the DVD.....Hey Snatch you wouldn't happen to have "I Spit On Your Grive aka Day of the Woman" uncut would you?


Posted by pHo on 08-18-2003 06:10 PM:

as what mystic said, except the film isn't bad its very good just nasty in places.

and uncut prints of I Spit on Your Grave and this were both done ages ago.

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Posted by sniper_411 on 08-18-2003 07:26 PM:

So does this one include the myth of the pirahana scene?

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Posted by kakarot12300 on 08-18-2003 08:00 PM:

laser disc?! wow. havent seen one of them in ages. I dont miss them.


Posted by Shelby69Tx on 08-18-2003 09:16 PM:

I remember seening this movie all chopped up on cable, (excuse the pun) along time ago nice to see it back in circulation again ( excuse the pun).

http://www.flipsidemovies.com/images/cannibalholocaustpic1.jpg

What every happen to the horror flix "I spit on your grave" , "Last house on the left", " House on the Edge of the Park" or the worst one of them all is "Salo 120 Days of Sodom" yo if you gonna do a release at least put best crap out first... lol.



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Posted by Pra3t0 on 08-18-2003 09:17 PM:

after reading the nfo now i know The Blair Witch Project wasn't a totally original idea. In fact, those guys must've gotten the idea after watching this film.

Where can I order the EC uncut DVD version you're talking about?


Posted by labrat1 on 08-18-2003 10:05 PM:

its a friken lasssseerrrrrrrr i still have a laserdisc player :P

http://www.hjemmekino.no/guide/bilder/2maslaser.jpg

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Posted by th3whiterabbi7 on 08-18-2003 11:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sniper_411
So does this one include the myth of the pirahana scene?


the pirahana scene was never shot...there closet thing to it are photos from the set testing it out, but it was never shot on film.

An interview I was once read with the Director said all this. So the myth is just that.


Posted by Korps on 08-19-2003 12:00 AM:

Yo, I have 'Cannibal Holocaust [Deluxe Edition]'... What would this release contain that the deluxe version wouldn't? Which scenes were deleted that would appear in this "uncut" one?


Posted by insulinjunkie on 08-19-2003 12:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by th3whiterabbi7
the pirahana scene was never shot...there closet thing to it are photos from the set testing it out, but it was never shot on film.

An interview I was once read with the Director said all this. So the myth is just that.



Deodato (the director) changed his story several times over the years.

In one of the recent DVD commmentaries Deodato claimed that that they set it up and filmed it BUT:
1. The underwater camera they intended to use in the scene never came.
2. As a result, they then were going to shoot just a shot of the victim being pulled out of the water with the piranhas hanging on to his leg. However, when they shot, the piranhas didn't wiggle and generally made the scene look extremely fake. As a result, Deodato choose to leave the scene out.


Posted by pHo on 08-19-2003 12:46 AM:

indeed, the pirahna myth is great. and no im guessing it wont have it off hand as only a handful of people have ever claimed to see it.

i agree with the above, and that it was shot but no retail print exists. but hey, im sure its out there somewhere

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Posted by unique on 08-19-2003 12:58 AM:

wow after reading your reviews i just gota watch this movie(not this release tho).

oh and whatl is a laserdisc?? i honestly have no idea what that is! lol

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Posted by pHo on 08-19-2003 01:20 AM:

think a cross between a 12" (record) and a dvd. big ass bastard discs that weren't really mainstream and the format died off. shame, cos even tho i don't have a player, i think i'll probably pick up one when i have some more money/space. the only problem is the cheaper players can't "flip" the disc. and flipping discs is a pain in the ass.

non-compressed dolby digital soundtracks apparently better than dvd too (as ac3 is very compressed, hence the difference in size between DTS and AC3(5.1) tracks)

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Posted by combat_evolved on 08-19-2003 01:36 AM:

right before anyone downloads this movie, be warned, this isn't you every day horror film, far from that, it's pure explicity explotation movie. I have seen worse than this but then again they weren't what would be considerd movies.
ANYWAY....Dont download this film if you are offended by any of the following:
Animal Sacrfice/Killing
Severe Sadistic Torture
Graphic Sex and Rape
Misanthorpic Cannibalism

I know many people have seen worse including myself, but this is seriously not for the squirmish, even I felt in some way disturbed after watching this (mainly because of teh scene with the gian tortoise, hmmm i was eating at the time).

Other than that the release is ok, not as good as the DVD i have (i got a whole set of these video nasties). id rate it, 7/8/6 (shitty movie apart from the gore/rape/torture/cannibalism, if your into these types of films Cannibal Ferox is a much better flick, and has more gore)


Posted by M_W on 08-19-2003 02:39 AM:

No MS the film is one of the best films ever created. Rugero realy created a master-peace!!!. Banm me if u wanth


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-19-2003 02:48 AM:

It's poo. There's far better movies out there than this. And this release is still censored and an uncut DVD exists (that i also own). I rest my case.

edit: Also this release isn't even packed properly. It's two mpg's. Not a bin/cue format. Gay.


Posted by _sK_4_lyfe_ on 08-19-2003 04:16 AM:

everyone knows laserdisc had the best quality video though... no exceptions.... too bad it died off


Posted by sniper_411 on 08-19-2003 05:38 AM:

The worst part of the movis is that sicken/shitty music that is played during all of the brutal killing, and gang rape scenes..that is very distrubing

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Posted by tphillip on 08-19-2003 07:05 AM:

Well it seems that we meet again Sniper_411.......remember that one time you and kev came over and we watched it....HA! you were scared shitless....true story


Posted by dogcow on 08-19-2003 07:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by sniper_411
The worst part of the movis is that sicken/shitty music that is played during all of the brutal killing, and gang rape scenes..that is very distrubing


oh come on how can you not love the hilariously innapropriate score. Took me years to track down a cd of it but I eventually got the whole thing, friend of mine even remixed the theme. :-> i defy you to watch the movie and not get it stuck in your head.

-dc


Posted by Loafboy on 08-19-2003 10:24 AM:

I thought the bit with the giant turtle was the most disturbing !!! Especially as i was eating my tea at the same time


Posted by combat_evolved on 08-19-2003 01:38 PM:

^^ thats exatcly what i said earlier in the topic, that bit was nasty. i felt like gutting those fucking ass bandtis that ate the turtle. but ehh, the music was fucking funny, i even have a CD to, also I have the GoreGrind version coverd by Necrophagia awsome stuff \m/


Posted by darkslide on 08-19-2003 02:03 PM:

good movie... uneeded release.

5/7/6

i believed the graphic rape scene was done tastefully myself......

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Posted by Korps on 08-19-2003 02:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by combat_evolved
I felt like gutting those fucking ass bandtis that ate the turtle.


Yeh, Me too. I felt so sorry for it... It was so defensless and helpless... All the animals in the film were real. If they can fake the deathes of the humans then why the fuck do they not fake the deaths of animals... That kinda shit annoys me... Animals are living so they should be treated as we do. >:-0

Altogether the film is okay... I don't really get disturbed easily and nor did I when I watched this but it was close but mainly due to the animal cruelty and the excellent use of music...

I love the enterance music, It is a great tune. I also like the dark sharpe music played throughout the killing, What is it called?

This was an un-needed release... There are DVD-Rips floating about of this film which are much better quality than this.


Posted by pHo on 08-19-2003 05:45 PM:

indeed, the animal cruelty is just exploitation shit. its uneeded and the only part of the horror genre i truly dislike. there's some REALLY nasty stuff out there, with no storyline just animal torture, and its just fucking lame. someone should do that shit to the people involved.

get Guinea Pig : Devils Experiment on a degraded VHS without reading up on it to see what effects are capable of, even back nearly 20 years ago on a small budget. (i find the new dvds clean the image up too much, and remove the effect of seeing it on a 10th generation vhs like everyone back in the day would've)

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Posted by chewiechew on 08-19-2003 07:04 PM:

EC Version

The EC Addition is the best quality version of the film released anywhere. I recommend you source a copy. 'The Road to Hell' bit of the movie has nothing to do with the storyline.

It's a shame LD's are no longer available because they're much nicer to own than DVD's. Laserdisc is still the only digital format to view the first 3 Star Wars movies before George Lucus fucked them up.


Posted by combat_evolved on 08-19-2003 07:15 PM:

^^ i have the Guinea Pig Series on DVD, there pointless and explicit attemps to create a snuff movie. the part where they stick a needle in the womans eye and she sounds like shes playing chess or some shit. But yeah when the quality is downgraded it does give to the effect, thats why i have Cannibal Holocaust on DVD and VHS. The VHS isn't very good quality and does seem more realisitic, kinda like a false ilusion.


Posted by th3whiterabbi7 on 08-19-2003 09:55 PM:

does anyone have a 10th generation or low quality VHS of "Devil's Experiment" I hate watching these types of movies on crisp DVDs....it takes away from the realism.


Posted by desertboy on 08-20-2003 12:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
indeed, the animal cruelty is just exploitation shit. its uneeded and the only part of the horror genre i truly dislike. there's some REALLY nasty stuff out there, with no storyline just animal torture, and its just fucking lame. someone should do that shit to the people involved.

get Guinea Pig : Devils Experiment on a degraded VHS without reading up on it to see what effects are capable of, even back nearly 20 years ago on a small budget. (i find the new dvds clean the image up too much, and remove the effect of seeing it on a 10th generation vhs like everyone back in the day would've)



My housemate has a 10th gen copy of guinea pig and having just watched this japanese piece of trash I can say you are all a bunch of very very sick fucks. I'm glad this is only forums.

Torture just isn't my thing you know.

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Posted by chewiechew on 08-20-2003 12:42 AM:

Mermaid Guinea Pig

I had all of those Guinea Pig movies when i was younger (all 10th generation). They're completley fucking twisted. Did you see the one with the mermaid? That girl put real worms and snakes in her mouth.

'The Untold Story' or 'Bunman' is any shocker from the far east thats worth watching. It gives Holocaust a run for its money. There are two scenes in it that I couldn't sit through without stopping the disc at least twice. And its funny in places too. Oriental people are a little strange.

It's about time someone ripped 'ICHI' too.


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 01:13 AM:

i have Za Ginnipiggu (Guinea Pig), the whole series on SVCD. I also have Za Guinnipiggu #1: The Devil's Experiment on the aforementioned Z-Grade VHS which i got years ago with a dutch subbed uncut print of Last House On The Left.

I love the Guinea Pig movies. Truly gross and twisted, but kudos to the sfx team. On a small budget they created something truly horrific and stomach churning.


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 01:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by combat_evolved
^^ i have the Guinea Pig Series on DVD, there pointless and explicit attemps to create a snuff movie. the part where they stick a needle in the womans eye and she sounds like shes playing chess or some shit. But yeah when the quality is downgraded it does give to the effect, thats why i have Cannibal Holocaust on DVD and VHS. The VHS isn't very good quality and does seem more realisitic, kinda like a false ilusion.


Dude, that's just volume 1. You need to check out the rest of the series. Watch Mermaid In A Manhole (#6 i think) and see what you make of it then.

Also, the DVD box set has two documentaries on it and a making-of/behind the scenes docu too.

Very interesting stuff.

edit: Also, no disrespect to any of the younger VCDQuality users here, but i really don't think anyone under 17 or 18 should be watching these (Guinea Pig) movies. Especially Devil's Experiment. These movies are very graphic and unlike anything most of you kids out there will have ever seen or be quite so prepared for.


Posted by Madmax on 08-20-2003 01:19 AM:

Is this story real or is it just a movie with fake death?
Did it Really happen that 4 people go in and they all die and then somebody goes in and searches and finds these tapes?....C'mon.......i'd be the one thats afraid to watch gore....i'm 41 and never could stomach it....sheehz.....i even got scared in '79 watching the horror film Phantasm....LOL....the silver ball!!!


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 01:23 AM:

No, the movie is completely fake. It was made by Italian horror director Ruggero Deodato in 1979 and shot on location in New York, Columbia and the Amazon Rainforest.

The only real deaths in this movie are the animal cruelty scenes (which is mainly the reason it was banned in so many countries).


Posted by pHo on 08-20-2003 02:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
edit: Also, no disrespect to any of the younger VCDQuality users here, but i really don't think anyone under 17 or 18 should be watching these (Guinea Pig) movies. Especially Devil's Experiment. These movies are very graphic and unlike anything most of you kids out there will have ever seen or be quite so prepared for.


in the words of chubby michael "fuck the kids". the younger kids are forced to watch this movie the better. maybe it'll make em shut up for a change, and just stay at home n cry or something.

quote:
Originally posted by chewiechew
It's about time someone ripped 'ICHI' too.


various editions have been ripped numerous times to various formats. Dutch R2 DVD is the one to get. cha-ching!

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Posted by sniper_411 on 08-20-2003 03:32 AM:

After reading the plot summarys for the guniea pig series, i was disgusted that you are recommended these things. I mean there is no point, just watching someone get tortured by some guy that kidnaps her, i mean is that the whole movie? or others getting tortured by stuff being stuck in their eyes. What is the point of these movies, to gross the hell out of you so that you become desensitized so when you go for a leisurly walk and you see someone get smoked by car and lie there bloody, that it doesnt affect you? or that you may even laugh. I mean correct me if i am wrong, hell i watched Cannibal Holocaust, Ferox and i am searching for Cannibal Holocaust 2, and i found them to be good movies (minus the senseless animal deaths) i just dont find a point to the guniea pig series, if there is one, i mean its just like some snuff film from the sounds of it. Someone here please tell me what i am missing and why these movies are good

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Posted by tphillip on 08-20-2003 04:07 AM:

sniper....You've seen Ferox? Are you POSITIVE....i think you're lying..I have seen Ferox, but I do not thing that you have seen it....if so what is hte best death scene?


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 01:19 PM:

LOL Cannibal Ferox is shit. So is Cannibal Apocalypse and Cannibal Holocaust II (aka The Green Inferno).

I guess if your in to the harder Italian movies, go for an uncut print of Farwell Africa (also known as Africa Addio). Try watching that without squirming.

Also pHo, in retrospect, i agree with you to a certain extent maybe the younger show-off kids should be shown Guinea Pig 1. Like you say, maybe it'd shut them the fuck up and at the same time alter their view on movies for the rest of their life. Although i would still say any kid under the age of 12 or 13 should still not see the Guinea Pig movies. You have to admit, a movie like that is far too unpleasant for the really young to watch.

Rather than going to see some trumped up Hollywood crap, i think the kids of today should be shown a quality selection of Italian and Japanese explotation and trash cinema. Maybe then they'd think twice about hyping up the utter shit we're dealt out by today's directors.

Back then, i think the genre was at it's peak. These movies are classics (no matter how shit some of them are lol) and i can't see the movie industry ever reaching those kind of heights ever again.


Posted by kalvaitis007 on 08-20-2003 03:17 PM:

This has turned into the weirdest, most disturbing comments thread ever.

-K


Posted by -=kamamia-san=- on 08-20-2003 04:18 PM:

Damn, censored and awfull quality....not really surprising though, considering this disc was released in japan a couple of years ago and back then you couldn't even show pubic hair on screen over there...i guess i'll stick to my pixelated dvdrip until i find a better one...

I think the movie itself is quite good though, not nearly as thrashy as many people claim. Deodato really shows that he's a brilliant film-maker, i find this kind of realism he managed to pull off creates a quite disturbing atmosphere. How many italian exploitation movies can you name that actually have a kind of "social commentary" like, for example, Romero's films have? He's basically showing all these cruel acts of sadism to portrait the depravity of our species. Compare that to movies like Zombie Holocaust or Make them die slowly, who really just feartured lots of blood and gore to cash-in on the success of films like dawn of the dead or zombie flesh eaters.
Although i have to say, the fact that Deodato had his actors torture and kill real animals shows that he's no better than the characters in his film, and that's just plain unforgivable, no matter how fine a film-maker he is...

(btw, can anyone explain to me what this whole deal with the "pirhana-scene" is all about? i've never heard of that...)

As far as the Guinea Pig films are concerned: i think people who just go about saying those films are sick, or people who watch those films are sick seem to be overlooking one important fact: those film's aren't ment to be entertaining. They are disturbing and unpleasant to watch, and that's the whole point of it. Unlike your regular, "harmless" splatter movie, the gore and violence in Guinea Pig doesn't serve as a sort of "guilty pleasure" for horror-fans, they confront us with our own mortality and the frailty of our bodies. Even though i've been a horror-fan for many years now, i didn't enjoy watching the Guinea Pig movies at all, but they served as an experience witch i will remember for the rest of my entire life. And they made think about how quickly and easily a human life can come to an end, which is somthing that most of would rather not confront themselves with...


Posted by combat_evolved on 08-20-2003 04:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mystic Slippers
LOL Cannibal Ferox is shit. So is Cannibal Apocalypse and Cannibal Holocaust II (aka The Green Inferno).

I guess if your in to the harder Italian movies, go for an uncut print of Farwell Africa (also known as Africa Addio). Try watching that without squirming.

Also pHo, in retrospect, i agree with you to a certain extent maybe the younger show-off kids should be shown Guinea Pig 1. Like you say, maybe it'd shut them the fuck up and at the same time alter their view on movies for the rest of their life. Although i would still say any kid under the age of 12 or 13 should still not see the Guinea Pig movies. You have to admit, a movie like that is far too unpleasant for the really young to watch.

Rather than going to see some trumped up Hollywood crap, i think the kids of today should be shown a quality selection of Italian and Japanese explotation and trash cinema. Maybe then they'd think twice about hyping up the utter shit we're dealt out by today's directors.

Back then, i think the genre was at it's peak. These movies are classics (no matter how shit some of them are lol) and i can't see the movie industry ever reaching those kind of heights ever again.



^^ your damn right, these old school italian exploitation movies will allways be the most shocking movies out there, even if some director did decide to make one now, it would be all top notch efffects and expensive camera equipment, that it would just look stupid. And yeah these movies do make you desensitized, god knows I am, but that doesn't mean im going to laugh at someone being smoked by a car at 80mph. Thing is, i can watch this shit because i know it's only a movie, now! If it was real, like a snuff movie, i wouldn't dare touching the shit.


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 05:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by combat_evolved
If it was real, like a snuff movie, i wouldn't dare touching the shit.


Snuff movies do not exist. Many people class the Faces Of Death series plus it's subsequent sequels and immitators and followers as 'snuff' movies.

These are not snuff. Snuff does not exist. These are what are known as 'mondo movies'. The majority of footage in these movies is staged and played out by actors. What little real footage is included in these movies is more often than not old archive news footage or amateur footage publically released to media.

There is no such thing as a snuff movie. At least there is no such thing as a 'snuff' movie that has been recovered and proven to exist. And if such a thing were to be found it would be a matter for the police and goverment agencies to deal with. The whole 'snuff' phenomenon arose several years ago and was coined by the media amongst mass hysteria after little Bobby Parker or whatever bought a copy of Faces Of Death at a market stall and took it home to show his friends who made copies etc etc etc.

It's all crap, and to be honest, i personally have seen all the FoD movies and many of their immitators and have gotten little out of them except a cheap laugh at how lame they are.


Posted by pHo on 08-20-2003 05:45 PM:

holocaust good, rest crap.

hmm, shall we just make a horror thread, kinda bit silly to talk about all this carp on a thread about a duped movie

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Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 05:55 PM:

Agreed. Let's have a horror thread.


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-20-2003 05:59 PM:

http://www.vcdquality.com/forum/sho...&threadid=26442

Continue thread there.


Posted by Moloko_Plus on 08-25-2003 11:34 PM:

Post

Ok ive been lurking around this board for a few months and finally have something to say, since ive been in the italian movie scene for a long time a while back.
Snuff movies do exist, along with the most extreme of them being Snuff movies of children on top of unmentionable things happening to them. It mainly sources from Israel and other middle eastern countries, including Russia. Reports have come from Mexico from people trafficking in them being arrested by the FBI, and that goes for Snuff, havent heard about child pornography mixed with Snuff from Mexico but I have seen numerous reports of child pornography from: Russia, Mexico, and the middle east.
The serial killer Henry lee lucas was a courier of underage sex videos from reports and evidence gained by the FBI, i have heard of him trafficking in snuff movies mixed in with the aforementioned.
Its not a thing everyone likes to think about, so people tend to deny its existance above all. 8MM the movie touched Minorly on the subject, and during the commentary the director himself has said that it does exist and people who shun its existance are generally in denial and have not seen evidence.
Several years ago there was a report that was not made public about a massive ring of criminals from the middle east being busted by the officials for all ive mentioned that i read about at the time. I was rather young at the time but i remember reading about it from the FBI.
I hope this clears up a few things, but yes it does exist. Its next to impossible to find, i myself have never had the interest to find such filth and tend to put my interests into school work and computers.
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