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HDRip formats - pros and cons

Five years ago scene DVDRips could be found in both SVCD and DivX (Xvid) formats. At the time we had great fun in arguing the merits of each format.

So now Blu-ray has beaten HD DVD in the HD format war. But there are still several HDRip formats floating around. I'm going to start collecting a few more of these, so I thought it would be useful to discuss the different formats:

H264 (x264) in MKV
- movie only
- burned as data (DVD5 or DVD9, depending on size)
- most popular format for scene rips
- can only be played on a good PC (maybe PS3 if you remux the file?)

H264 on AVCHD or BD5/BD9 disc
- usually an ISO that you burn to a DVD9
- not seen any scene releases, although some x264 releases include a batch file to remux into this format
- playable on PS3 and some blu-ray players (and Windows if you update the UDF drivers)

VC1 in WMV (WMV HD)
- movie only
- burned as data (DVD5 or DVD9)
- a few scene groups release in this format
- playable on Windows or Xbox 360

So... what's your preferred format? Aside from burning to a physical disc, what other methods are people using for playback (network streaming, etc.)?

Re: HDRip formats - pros and cons

This thread should be stickied.

I didn't know about those other formats. I only get the mkv files. I have my pc hooked up to the tv using the DVI connection.

I just wanna know the difference between an MKV and an actual BR movie, I haven't compared the two.

How can you back up those MKV files over 7.4 gbs? Some 1080p movies go up to 10 gbs. Can't back em up on a DL-DVDR can ya. I just wish I knew a way to back those up.

Yes you can - just use the UDF filesystem instead of ISO 9660. You can then burn files up to the maximum capacity of a DVD9.

Edit: I only know this because ImgBurn told me when I tried burning an 8GB MKV to disc.

Good thread Mother and good idea on ther sticky Para... I'll keep it stickied so long as it remains up to date/informative

Question thou, pretaining to this. ive yet to try it out sicne i dont known a ps3 but a friend of mine does. can a normal dvd drive read BR disc's or is it propriatary to sony. also related to this, i know a BR disc can hold up to... 20g i think it is. so what normal size of the movie if only the movie stream is ripped. 8-10gs? can i DL a BR rip and burn it to a 4.7g dvd or a dual layer dvd and it still retain its HD quality? just some thoughts that have been floating around for a while than i saw this thread.

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Ok treat me like a Noob, I know nothing. I know less than nothing. We'll go with that.

So if you download the latest UDF driver, Do you need special software to burn the data? and will it be able to be read on any pc/mac? Is there an option in Nero or DeepBurner or whatever burning software you use to?

Is there a way to split 10gb .MKV files?

What are the limitations of each file format?

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Question thou, pretaining to this. ive yet to try it out sicne i dont known a ps3 but a friend of mine does. can a normal dvd drive read BR disc's or is it propriatary to sony. also related to this, i know a BR disc can hold up to... 20g i think it is. so what normal size of the movie if only the movie stream is ripped. 8-10gs? can i DL a BR rip and burn it to a 4.7g dvd or a dual layer dvd and it still retain its HD quality? just some thoughts that have been floating around for a while than i saw this thread.

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knowing nothing about hd and its formats, I got hold of the latest Indy Jones movie in 720p mkv format.

I then remuxed the file through tsMuxer and within a few minutes had a .m2ts and .meta file, fired up tversity and streamed it through to the PS3. Played flawlessly and I was impressed to say the least.

the same software can also be used to create AVCHD disks I believe.

Apparently problems arise with releases with DTS audio.

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I remember when dts was cracked on the cinema dvd's haha straight away they had back up plan dts 2 fkrs

Now back on topic so far i got a few of these H264 (x264) in MKV, but i know where to obtain the H264 on AVCHD disc

Saying that i got a hdd with deja vu on that's 26gig the tag on that is


Deja_Vu__2006_Blu-ray_26GB__HD-1080P__Remux_VC-1_LPCM_DD51.ts

For join file, clik on first file 00001.exe after download all files.

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Ok spent 24 hrs downloading H264 (x264) in MKV


Films tested are

Die.Hard.1988.720p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS
The.Goonies.1985.720p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS
Batman.1989.720p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS
The.Terminator.1984.1080p.BluRay.x264-hV
Terminator.2.Judgement.Day.Directors.Cut.1991.1080p.SHDDVD.DT.x264-hV
Point.Break.1991.1080p.BluRay.x264-SECTOR7

A couple of others are forthcoming but i do like the quality of these films and yeh they are old but classics only thing i miss are the menus and the extras, the sound are well as u expect amazing pic is spot on even the long films.
Lets hope the new year pushes us closer to retails so we can begin collecting yet again and raping the bandwidth lol

P.S i got 16mb down and 1.2mb up
Also using win media 11 and cccp codec on hdmi tv

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Deja_Vu__2006_Blu-ray_26GB__HD-1080P__Remux_VC-1_LPCM_DD51.ts.

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Point break is amazing on 1080p, currently on a break from watching it now.
Die hard on 720p was great, sound was like being in the cinema, the explosion on the building when he dumps the monitor loaded with c-4 down the elevator shaft was great and the ending when Karl comes out and goes to kill Mc clane and gets shot by that copper those are 2 of the scenes that stick out and both action scenes

Gonna watch commando 720p next and think it be time for some sleep after a quick munch on left overs

The 1's i have listed above will be the first i start hunting to buy originals of, i don't mind paying for quality i just don't want crap or a special edition to followed by a directors cut etc....

Be interesting to see if they remaster some of the better films or will they just shove it to a higher bitrate to get the size up.
Pho what BD Rom's are currently good and can be region hacked? pioneer is usually a good bet

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Hers a list of scene releases for the hi def world up til july 2008

Can be opened with notepad

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What software are you guys using for your HTPC? I would like to build one in the next few months.


I'm sure you guys aren't using Windows media center software, lol.

When I fancy being all media centery I use MediaPortal. When I just want to use a media player, I use KMPlayer which is the best player on any platform IMHO. (And works within Media Portal too which is nice).

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As a rule i just use win media with the cccp codec, but i have a couple of films here with dual audio 1 being independence day and the other is 5th element remastered, but media picks primary audio which is Spanish,(cant find how to change audio on it) so tried Vlc which is ok but can cause pixel probs whereas media is perfect, downloading KMplayer to test now and see if i can switch the audio

If that fails i'm gonna rip the Spanish out of the mkv file, i just hope it jumps onto English DTS (id4 is 15 gig lol)

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running on a mac, plex (a port of xbmc) is a very nice (and functional) alternative to front row.

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running on a mac, plex (a port of xbmc) is a very nice (and functional) alternative to front row.

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i do not believe that xbmc for mac is in development any longer as i believe they have moved on to plex. never had a problem with xbmc running in full screen, and i have not had a problem with plex either. plex also passes dts through to your reciever without a hitch, something that vlc, and frontrow (even with perian installed) could never seem to accomplish without flaws. while perian made front row more flexible, it would often choke on mkv's when the bitrate got to high. on my 2ghz core 2 duo 1gig macbook, plex streams 1080p mkv from the pc nice and smoothly. the only problem is the macbook fans kick in and become quite noisey. 720p content is almost silent. plex also works with those little apple remotes that accompany most macs.

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I couldn't stand front row. I did however like Xbmc but last time I checked xbmc full screen wasn't implemented with Os X. Has that changed?

I don't think I've heard of Plex.

Looking at some screens it does look sexy.
http://www.plexapp.com/

maybe someone can help me out. Running 1080p movies, I know you have to have a decent CPU, but is it more Dependant on the RAM? I currently have a AMD X2 5000+ with 2gb/ram, and with my WinXP lite I can play 1080p movies just fine with VLC. I know people with about the same CPU and can run 1080p MKV files without a problem with any player and they have 4gb's of ram on there systems, So I'm assuming it's a lack of Ram on my end, and not the CPU?

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Ok i have had the day and night to play with my little baby and make the following review

KMplayer is ok and seems to run fine most of the time but has a few teething problems with 1080p films mainly action


Vlc ok this is also ok but again with 1080p films like Independence Day every so often specially on action and sfx scenes it pixels or freezes for a few seconds or goes out of sync for 10 or so secones


Win media player with the CCCP Codec: this is my fav and no pixel problems with Independence day or Predator as well as Terminator 1 and 2, i sorted the issue with dual audio films, basically the codec which hs tabs on the right tool bar has a video box and an audio box if you right click on the audio box it lets you choose which audio you want as well as if you want the subs on and off


So to summarise i strongly suggest windows media player (can't believe i said that lol) with this cccp codec

http://www.cccp-project.net/


If i run into any isses i will report on this but as i said i have used the system on a good few action rated films like the follwing

Terminator 1080p
Terminator 2.1080p
Predator 720p and 1080p
Gone In 60 Seconds 1080p
Die Hard 720P
Die Hard 2 720P
Cliffhanger 1080p
The 5th Element 720p
The Thing.1080p

All play fine without any hiccup
Also got Commando 720p dual audio but i was disappointed with this for 2 reasons:
1: wasn't the director cut but is uncut with the hand being taken off with the machete and the axe between the legs, in the final showdown on the island.
2) it looks crap picture wise and looks like a normal dvd
So when the directors cut comes out and remastered then it's 1 i shall buy with the 1's i have listed above as they are great films

Ps i have around 500+ gig of blue ray and hd dvd films on my hdd so i'm gonna be a busy boy

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Ripper - you did install Haali Media Splitter and CoreAVC first right?

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Ripper - you did install Haali Media Splitter and CoreAVC first right?

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Seems that I missed a few replies in this thread:

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Monther , I didn't read this thread, bu t I love you, you've one of my favoriitemet memmebers.

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Die hard on 720p was great, sound was like being in the cinema, the explosion on the building when he dumps the monitor loaded with c-4 down the elevator shaft was great and the ending when Karl comes out and goes to kill Mc clane and gets shot by that copper those are 2 of the scenes that stick out and both action scenes

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Hers a list of scene releases for the hi def world up til july 2008

Can be opened with notepad

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maybe someone can help me out. Running 1080p movies, I know you have to have a decent CPU, but is it more Dependant on the RAM? I currently have a AMD X2 5000+ with 2gb/ram, and with my WinXP lite I can play 1080p movies just fine with VLC. I know people with about the same CPU and can run 1080p MKV files without a problem with any player and they have 4gb's of ram on there systems, So I'm assuming it's a lack of Ram on my end, and not the CPU?

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Thanks for the recommendation on KM Player. Gave it a go after setting up my pc with dvi to hdmi connection to my 42 LCD and receiver and it works great. Found some issues with players like VLC and MPC video not showing on the TV itself (works fine on the monitor) so can any recommend a fix for this?

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Could be the way the displays are set up in the video card settings, rather than an issue with the media player.

I remember I had a hard time working out how to set up my Radeon to work the way I wanted it (windowed on the monitor, full screen on the TV). Go into Catalyst CC (if using an ATI card) and play with the theater mode settings.

Odd thing is I just noticed today after installing KM Player both are now showing video though not with MWV files. Sticking with KM Player though I have been trying another one I've never seen suggested or heard of, Neuview Media Player. So far it's played everything perfectly except .mov files.

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Mother check the file i attached the version i have is the Die.Hard.1988.720p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS


It lists it as DTS

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Actually, found the nfo for the relase I have. It's Die.Hard.1988.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR (English DTS 5.1 1536kbps, also 2 commentary tracks?)

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Thanks for the recommendation on KM Player. Gave it a go after setting up my pc with dvi to hdmi connection to my 42 LCD and receiver and it works great. Found some issues with players like VLC and MPC video not showing on the TV itself (works fine on the monitor) so can any recommend a fix for this?

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Alcohol righ t now but it 's agoing away :<

Thought i would do a little update on this.
This week i got the following film

Full.Metal.Jacket: Special.Edition.1987.Blu-Ray.1080p.CEE.VC-1.PCM.5.1

Full.Metal.Jacket.REMASTERED.1987.720p.HDDVD.x264-SEPTiC

Now this comes in at around 22gig, i also have the 720p version (hd dvd) which is around 6 gig, both full rips all intact with extras, not sure if the menu is there or not though as i don't have any tools as of yet to play around with the files, any recommendations?

Obviously F.M.J has been remastered and are great to watch, the 1080p being better on the screen than the 720p slightly, and sound is also a lot better, didn't think there would be much of a difference between hd dvd and blue ray, but there is
I noticed a lot more difference with The Goonies which i have in 720p and 1080p, as well as The Dark Knight, but The Goonies i would say need a clean up as it is the older and as far as i can see not remastered as of yet.
The Dark Knight is a new film and obviously newer technology and mastering the original prints, so gonna be hard to tell the difference

P.s now close to 2tb of hd dvd and blue ray

Prison Break season 1 and 3 are good to watch on blue ray too but as far as i am aware season 2 i yet to come out for some reason, but these are the 1st tv series i have bothered with on blue ray
Also i recommend imax blue ray as well i got a few of them too


P.S forgot to add the Full Metal Jacket 1080p, has full extras too including pvt pile interview

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1080p and 720p mkv converted to mp4 looks excellent via a PS3.
I own a few bluray's but the rips look just as sweet.
You can convert mkv retaining it's DTS 5.1 etc, or download a pre muxed PS3 compliant 2-pass mp4.
When converted those 8G mkv's become 4G mp4's so usb sticks and dvdrs are perfect media for saving and playing. also you half your download when downloading the premuxed and saving a hell of a lot of encoding time.

All I burn for myself now is HD, SD is dead to me.

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Same here mate rarely watch dvd these days, high def the only way to be.

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I've just made some amendments to the first post to correct some errors.

If anyone knows a good guide for remuxing x264/MKV releases into a PS3-playable format (AVCHD/BD5/BD9) post a link and I'll add it to the first post. (I don't have a PS3 myself so I've never had to do this).

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Hers a list of scene releases for the hi def world up til july 2008

Can be opened with notepad

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I haven't posted much over the years but just wanted to say a couple things...

LOLobo...cute pic!

Mother...simply sweet!

That said...

unless I missed it I haven't seen any talk of cheap little media boxes being used. Everyone seems to be building these $1000+ mini super computers to play a 1080p x264 movie. Why?
This little guy pictured below (with optional passport drive not included...drive stand is included) cost less than $100 and plays most formats with no problem. It's still kinda new (released in Nov 2008) and Western Digital is about to release a new firmware fixing some current issues, but I find it to be great! Just plug in a thumbdrive or external drive and enjoy!

This thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1080840
has a LONG discussion about it. Most good, some bad, but if you weed
through the bitchy little crybabies, it's really great for the money!
Although you can buy something like the Popcorn Hour if you wanna spend the extra $

anyway...
just wanted to throw that out there

Personally, I've been using media boxes like this for the past couple years. Can't remember the last time I burnt a dvd to watch a movie.
Had the iomega Screenplay360 and the MivxHD but they didn't really do full on HD like the WD

all done...
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This little guy pictured below (with optional passport drive not included...drive stand is included) cost less than $100 and plays most formats with no problem.

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Yeah phoronix got full 1080p playback with just a $30 gpu and a $20 cpu back in december ( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...vdpau_gpu&num=1 ). You don't need the top end hardware (especially with how well the nvidia vdpau/purevideohd drivers have improved over the past few months) to get playback, just newer hardware that supports offloading the video to the gpu.

So I've got this AVCHD version of City of Ember but I haven't got a Blu-Ray standalone so I can't test it. I can extract the .mts stream and play that no problem. Power DVD tells me I need a BR compatible graphics card and no doubt a HDMI monitor after that. So does anyone know of a software player which can handle a BR file structure without all this region-coding and HDCP baggage?

I can use win media player 11 with cccp codec and play the BR file structure, and that's on a laptop without hd and its old

Have a read through this thread there's about 4 different software players out there use what's best for you

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I can use win media player 11 with cccp codec and play the BR file structure, and that's on a laptop without hd and its old

Have a read through this thread there's about 4 different software players out there use what's best for you

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Yay, success!

Would I be correct in thinking you were using Vista as I am using XP and had to install a UDF2.5 file reader from a third party?

XP is now able to open the iso and MPCHC can play the BD file structure

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Looks like menus and extras wont be far off for dvd5 and dvd9 but personally i will wait for blue ray single and dual layers to come out more (theres around 50 out so far)

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Great stuff but wil it still fit a DVD5 after being converted to AVCHD? I ask because I use Verbatim printables exclusively and the DL type is a lot more expensive as well as being much slower to burn.

What is the difference between an AVCHD disc and a BD5/9 disc, if any?

I've also heard that the x264 needs to be encoded to a particular spec for it to be compatible with the PS3 or BD players when remuxed from MKV for m2ts. (For example, it has to be full resolution, e.g. 1280 x 720, so black bars must be encoded into the file for 'scope films, etc.)

From what i have been told full blue ray disks are compatable across all boards there may be 1 or 2 BR Player brands that maybe touchy with br disks but verbatum usually work, well they did with all dvd players i shoved em into, and ritek i find was the better dye.
So i would assume now the price of blue ray blanks and recorders are coming down we should see a slow dry up of dvdr movies and BR pushed forward, like it has been so far with directors cut's extended cuts and mostly dts as a standard.

As for AVCHD disc and a BD5/9 disc i cant say much on but with the x264 at present is a right bitch you have to encode say 1 way for a ps3 another for BR players or normal dvd players (dvd5 and dvd-9 disks)

But from the talks i have had with people were going to see a lot more BR complete films coming out, and so far the 1's i have seen are full with different languages so straight away you can rip them out as they usually dts, just a pity a lot of films released so far(older films) are just crap with the same shit that was on normal dvd just better sound and most of the time better pic

Worst i have seen is commando 1080p and the fifth element 1080p(not remastered version)

Will check out on the AVCHD disc and a BD5/9 disc and report back, i do seem to remember the BD5/9 are more stable to play if i remember right

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WMV is pretty much for 360.
AVCHD is pretty much PS3


BD5/9 i am thinking is goin to be for NR players


Not 100% on this but i am a bit tired

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doesn't AVCHD use the same (well, pretty close) file structure as BR ? An AVCHD transcode from an mkv file will go on a dvd (file size permitting), and should offer playback with chapters on ps3 and bluray standalones as long as the correct resolutions are offered (I say should as i'm going off hearsay and therefore might be talking out of my arse).

It's about time sony released a patch offering full mkv support for the ps3

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doesn't AVCHD use the same (well, pretty close) file structure as BR ?

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