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Posted by phoR20 on 01-10-2003 10:57 AM:

shall i be first?????
all though a post first i having nothing to say.

jpg? nfo?

Posted by SilentRAGE on 01-10-2003 10:57 AM:

not like we saw this coming, with the other release's sound and all..same quality picture as tdi, but sound is better...not sure if this is new, but just saw this popping around too....The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Two.Towers.AC3.iNTERNAL.DVDscr.DivX-PosTX

Posted by desertboy on 01-10-2003 11:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by phoR20
shall i be first?????
all though a post first i having nothing to say.

jpg? nfo?

I wouldn't worry about that mate it won't stop the next 200 people posting.

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Posted by PCPhreak on 01-10-2003 11:08 AM:

So this release fixed the sound issue. Can we assume it is using the same/similar source? Anyone know where we can expect to see this showing up? Newsgroups have been absolutely flooded these past few days, and IRC has it's moments.

Posted by edf on 01-10-2003 11:11 AM:

well after seein the sample i give it 7/7/9
but thats what i think

Posted by Alien Venom on 01-10-2003 11:13 AM:

God damn! After looking at that screenshot, it reminds me of the movie. Golum is the ugliest looking thing, ever.

Posted by bundyman on 01-10-2003 11:13 AM:

ohohhohuh!! one more post by me!!!! i rock!!! sweeet...

oh, did i forget to flame anyone?

Posted by exorcist on 01-10-2003 11:14 AM:

i'm glad to see some internals. The vite was desynced (fixrus repaired that) but there's also the glitch at 7:48 which annoyed me. the TDi's sounds had that metallic buzz, once again it can be minimized, but internals help get that perfect release. The PosTX is of course, the same source as FliX, just like TCF/DVL or TDi/ViTE

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Posted by ErrorS on 01-10-2003 11:20 AM:

stupid question.. the AR isnt like it is in the jpg samples is it?

id doubt it is but its only got a 7 for video :x

Posted by AzErTy on 01-10-2003 11:20 AM:

Am I like the only person who really didnt think this movie is a "10" ?

code:
USERNAME VIDEO AUDIO MOVIE 
bobo 9 9 10 
exorcist 9 9 10 
soza 1 n/a n/a 
realized 9 9 10 
AzErTy n/a n/a 8

I have no intrest in this, the TDi was perfect for what i wanted, I didnt notice any sound problems, but then I am getting old

Posted by Crackedtooth on 01-10-2003 11:25 AM:

One of many

Nice work, one of many i reckon

Posted by Casa.addams on 01-10-2003 11:29 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AzErTy
[B]Am I like the only person who really didnt think this movie is a "10" ?
[QUOTE]

yup!

Posted by XCheMiCal on 01-10-2003 11:53 AM:

I just saw the sample looks pretty good sound is okay and only 3 cds?

Posted by olympiakos on 01-10-2003 11:57 AM:

tdi's version is the best...
way worth the download

Posted by Swimj on 01-10-2003 12:04 PM:

3 cds is below standards for length =[

Posted by Spancmedia on 01-10-2003 12:42 PM:

are the sound problems easy to notice on TDI's version?

Posted by SiKzNuGz on 01-10-2003 12:58 PM:

soza 1 n/a n/a <--Should have voting privs revoked

Good internal FLiX, sounds louder then TDI's (Personally I didnt have any metallic buzz on playback on my standalone of TDi's rls). This is a gr8 rls for you if you bitched about TDi's being 4cds even tho that is standard for the runtime. Takes a hit to the bitrate.

Posted by marvel72 on 01-10-2003 01:00 PM:

any watermarks

Posted by BENGEL on 01-10-2003 01:08 PM:

bitrate is to low - but therefor it is iNTERNAL!

Are there also this subs (For your consideration!) , or anything like that???

Posted by Dougie on 01-10-2003 01:13 PM:

lol I've only just finished the TDi release, I dont think I can stomach another

Posted by daNnY^4LiFe on 01-10-2003 01:46 PM:

Pretty good, but TDi's was better....

Posted by Bobby-Whiskey on 01-10-2003 02:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Alien Venom
God damn! After looking at that screenshot, it reminds me of the movie. Golum is the ugliest looking thing, ever.

LOL gollum rules

internal eh? looks like i'll probably only get to see the low-sounding one then :/ oh well, i guess its a hell of a lot better than those ass tses that were released

Posted by hippyhater on 01-10-2003 02:05 PM:

there was NO problem with the tdi releases sound.....

it was not mechanical, it was not echoey, it was not too low

if it wasnt internal it should be nuked, but its internal, so who really cares

tdi rls = 10/10/10
this one = pointless

Posted by Soylent Green on 01-10-2003 02:11 PM:

PCPhreak : there were no "SOUND ISSUES" with the TDi version , so shut up

Posted by bass on 01-10-2003 02:38 PM:

tdi version is probably better, but maybe we'll see something better than both of them soon?

Posted by DGR on 01-10-2003 02:54 PM:

well, opinions differ on the quality of the sound with the TDi release. I personally think it wasn't up to par, the fact that it's very low isn't the problem... but I did notice a metallic sound... it just wasn't as good as it could be. (Both on my standalone dvd-player as on my puter). I'll be looking for this one to check it out...

Posted by chrisnmestuff on 01-10-2003 03:25 PM:

omg listen to me u muppets

The scene is filled with uneducated wankers who try to sound intelligent. If you dont know what your talking about keep your mouth shut ok. The TDI sound version is perfect surround sound with enhanced spectrum, however some PEOPLE who dont disable the SRS etc, and then try to play it through a shitty little pre-amp will get a buzz. This is because of the redundant audio channels they have left coz they dont know what they are fuking doing. The sound is very maleable but to get max performance play with a decent card and speakers.So in answer to all the questions, the tdi sound is nigh on perfect. The wankers who complain about buzzing shud by themselves a decent system, or learn how to unchek boxes.

Pah

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Posted by Twista on 01-10-2003 03:27 PM:

I still Think TDI's version is good, even a 4 cd's

Posted by lordsnooty on 01-10-2003 03:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hippyhater
there was NO problem with the tdi releases sound.....

it was not mechanical, it was not echoey, it was not too low

So why do other people notice the terrible whiney audio, and you don't?

There absolutely is a problem with the audio on the tdi release. This is a fact. If you can't hear it, good for you, but (un)fortunately we are not all afflicted with your hearing impediment.

Paul

Posted by timmoy on 01-10-2003 04:14 PM:

to the guy at the bottom

No the AR isnt like that

Its the program used that took the snapshot

Remember People *internal*

It wasnt meant for us so stop moaning

TDi was very nice ,

Posted by lordsnooty on 01-10-2003 04:24 PM:

Re: omg listen to me u muppets

quote:
Originally posted by chrisnmestuff
The scene is filled with uneducated wankers who try to sound intelligent. If you dont know what your talking about keep your mouth shut ok. The TDI sound version is perfect surround sound with enhanced spectrum, however some PEOPLE who dont disable the SRS etc, and then try to play it through a shitty little pre-amp will get a buzz.

Oh, right. So the sound is perfect if you have some really expensive home cinema, complete with decent amp and ten thousand buttons. It's perfect quality. For 1% of the people that will play it.

Great.

And as for 'uneducated wankers', your post makes me feel glad that I'm educated in the realm of basic spelling and grammar, rather than home theatre.

Posted by suckfrog on 01-10-2003 04:27 PM:

TDi realease sound

chrisnmestuff - im not sure if you do know what you are talking about.

But the tdi realease _does_ have a very little buzz, and I am playing it straight with no srs effect or like. I have an expenzive and good hi-fi amplifier and very good speakers too, and that makes it easy to determine if there is a metalic buzz - try to turn up your treble/discant to maximum, it will make it even more easier to hear/determine if there is the "buzz". If you cannot hear it, then either your setup/sound system is not good enough to play that high freqeuncies or you simply cant hear them!

// jakob

Posted by yazooo on 01-10-2003 04:28 PM:

i really dont understand all this "metallic" bull ppl seem unable to stop complining about. if it was a universal fault with the rls, which everybody confirmed, then yes, its tdi's fault and thats ok.

however, as it can be seen, the fault only seems to be on certains ppl computers, and their setups. i dont share the problem, the sound is great thru my pc, and standalone. i have come across dodgy hissing and such before thru rls, all of which can be reduced thru some tinkering, besides, as long as its not really bad, u find that once ur into the movie, u find urself compensating, and not paying so much attention to the bad sound (if thats the case).

anyway, the only reason i see for d/ling this is if u cant b arsed with 4 cds, it does save some d/ling, especially for those on pay news access servers where there is a limit.

Posted by b00bie on 01-10-2003 05:58 PM:

LAME!

Flix has been known to do *this* , on the rare occasions they can. When i say *this* let me elaborate , Flix had in the beginning ,when the chance was there , download a DVDR source
and make a rip themselves ,which in a sence is a reencode/or better said stealing someones source ,and for all you people who say they couldnt ,trust me they had more then enough time to dl it and rip it up real fast, mind you the encoder maybe on a 10mbit+ edu link or something , but thats very common and any decent group usually has a 100mbit encoder .So lets get down to the point
1. They had the oppurtunity(source)
2. They easily had the time
3. They have done it before
4. *most important point* FLiX does not have a dvd scr supplier!!!! or no iam sorry they do ,but there person gets titles like love liza and shit, obviously not a OSCAR supplier ,and anyone affilated with the movie scene and half a brain will tell you that havent got one (OSCAR supplier) and its obvious what groups do ,*TDi having the best *thats why FLiX have been getting hammered all OSCAR season, cause they dont have the supplier, shit tcf and that v4f group are the only ones that kinda somewhat keep up with TDi(somewhat is a stretch, however thats a whole new debate) Anyways its plain to see this is a DVDR--->SVCD encode and a stolen source , if they had said in the nfo that they had done that it would be kinda cool, not even really but acceptable to most(still lame to me) but they didnt, and dont give me that shit about being internal , WRONG is WRONG and FLiX is only that.

P.S. they have done some nice retail dvd
But are alot LAMER in my book now

Posted by esCobar on 01-10-2003 06:39 PM:

There is no metallic buzz, the sound is quite clear. The problem is that it's just low. The buzz youre hearing is probably from having the volume on your tv turned up as high as it can go.

I had the volume all the way up and it was still pretty low. I put it through my stereo and it was fine. Cause you can just go a little louder on your stereo to make up for it. And if you youre already using youre stereo, Im sure you didnt even notice the low sound...

But if you cant put it through a stereo, the sound will be kinda low.

Posted by torcher on 01-10-2003 06:43 PM:

Just watched this internal release. The jpg sample which was made doesn't reflect the true video quality at all. Anyways, I liked it, and will keep this version rather than the tdi one with the so-so sound until retail comes out. Nothing wrong with it being 3cds.. movie is a little less than 180min... just like 120min movies can fit 2cds with no problem. 9/10/8

Posted by yazooo on 01-10-2003 07:06 PM:

interesting point bout the possibilty of this being stolen, but that just seems speculation. no proof attached, and we wouldn't want to bash it just coz it was possible, lots of things r that way.

and just for interest, what was the case where they had done it beofre and did that come out as proven?

Posted by Faceman on 01-10-2003 08:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by PCPhreak
So this release fixed the sound issue. Can we assume it is using the same/similar source?

has to be the same source.

i hear TDi's sound is only a problem on the computer, standalones are fine. only what i heard, I didn't get around to burning all 4 and when i exported the sample to my tv it seemed fine (was only a minute though).

Posted by hippyhater on 01-10-2003 08:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by lordsnooty

So why do other people notice the terrible whiney audio, and you don't?

There absolutely is a problem with the audio on the tdi release. This is a fact. If you can't hear it, good for you, but (un)fortunately we are not all afflicted with your hearing impediment.

Paul

uh sorry buddy, i burnt it about 6 copies and gave them out to all different people who ALL didnt have problems with it. so it isnt a fact.

Posted by exorcist on 01-10-2003 09:01 PM:

there is a mechanical buzz in the release, i noticed it instantly before even coming here to confirm this. I downloaded the XviD to double-check the sound quality, i'm guessing the source dvd has poorly mastered sound since ViTE decided to run with 135kbit mp3, which is kind of low. You can get rid of the mechanical buzz by turning down treble, or i minimized it by running it through a Simple MPG2(Auto) multiplex.

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Posted by Beedle on 01-10-2003 09:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Swimj
3 cds is below standards for length =[

That's not really true. I've seen 3 cd (svcd) rips of titanic that looked just as good as the dvd, and that's a bit longer than this flic. Haven't seen this particular release tho, the tdi was good enough for me till the dvd is released.

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Posted by Enzomatrx on 01-10-2003 09:59 PM:

Funny thing is if a movie like "The Pianist" or similar had whatever this audio "problem" is, no one would think twice.

But since it is Triumph's favorite movie next to Star Wars sequels, we have people flocking from all their little Hobbit holes to complain about something they are now trying to hear.

You could say there is a gunshot in the scene where Frodo is walking around and I bet we'd start a war of who heard it and who didn't.

There could be a buzz or something metallic (I do not hear it at all on a standalone), but odds are if you weren't sitting there with your pants down as you watch you probably would not even pick it up.

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Posted by walldude on 01-11-2003 12:32 AM:

Guy gave me a car once. For Free. But the radio had a high pitch metallic noise if the sound went above 50db. I told him to stick that car up his ass..... NOT!

Christ, the "terrible" audio problem with Tdi's release is almost non-existant. I finally heard it after cranking my stereo to ear shattering decibles. Quit whining. The releases are worth every penny we are paying for them... Too many greedy people around here

Posted by oqwarrior on 01-11-2003 12:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Swimj
3 cds is below standards for length =[

Nope, not true. Scene standards state that if the movie is under 180 minutes, it should be put onto 3 CD's. And guess what: this movie is 179 minutes!

Posted by stuffnstuff on 01-11-2003 01:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Enzomatrx
There could be a buzz or something metallic (I do not hear it at all on a standalone), but odds are if you weren't sitting there with your pants down as you watch you probably would not even pick it up.

It's very obvious on the music at the beginning, I came here to look at what people were saying after I heard it, I haven't heard it because of what people are saying. It depends on your speakers though, better speakers are clearer and will show up the bad sound more.

Note: the above is not a whine merely a comment

Posted by b00bie on 01-11-2003 03:53 AM:

re:yazoo

I was hoping my previous post would drum up more controversy (I like a good convo ) Anyways yazoo of course i dont have proof iam not saying it IS what they have done ,but with all those overwhelming facts, and the fact they(FLiX) have been acused of it before ( you asked what i thought it was yazoo, and i almost wanted to find out, but it was a little bit too much research for the fact that its a friday night and i want to get drunk

Anyways the main point is they dont have a oscar guy, not a single oscar release from them so far(maybe the last 2 gay flics were, not sure/dont care) And the fact that even groups like TCF/BOOZERS who do have decent oscar guys dont have it(iam only saying this cause ,one if they did they would proper that ugly iND DVDR release) then certainly FLiX doesnt , anyways thats the end of my rant, 99% sure DVDR-->SVCD, but of course i have been wrong in the past, one time i thought i was wrong but i really wasnt ...

Posted by horizonstar on 01-11-2003 08:49 AM:

no audio problem even on auditorium speakers

I like to herd my friends into a huge auditorium on one of several nearby college campuses to watch big name releases like this. The room has a monstrous rear-projection screen and a typical auditorium (i.e. crappy, but loud) speaker system.

For maximum quality, I usually plug my laptop into the display and play the raw MPEGs using mplayer (for *nix) rather than finding equipment on which to play the SVCDs.

That's what I did for the TDi release, and even on those ridiculously loud and low quality speakers I didn't notice any of the buzz people are talking about ...

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Posted by I am Me on 01-11-2003 09:42 AM:

So all in all, Which version is better and more enjoyable to watch? The TDi version or this new FLiX version? And by enjoyable I mean good sound and good video.

-Me

Posted by Corrado on 01-11-2003 10:17 AM:

I posted this in the original thread, but people ignored my work
Just a re-post here for the people saying "i can't hear it..."

quote:
If you can't hear it, then you can see it...proof of the visual form now for all you who seem to believe that the audio is prefect

This is taken from the sample, so the majority of people can compare...

Screenshot 1 shows a moment where the mechanical whining is not present. There is no clear high pitched noise.

Screenshot 2 shows a moment where the mechanical whining IS present, and if you see the circled part of the graph...there is a clearly higher pitched noise coming through at a rather loud decibel level...proof, i think so

Screenshot 1 : http://corradouk.tripod.com/proof1.JPG

Screenshot 2 :
http://corradouk.tripod.com/proof2.jpg

(please note, you'll need to copy and paste the url into another window...if someone knows any free servers which allow remote linking, pm me please)

Posted by desertboy on 01-11-2003 10:18 AM:

Re: omg listen to me u muppets

quote:
Originally posted by chrisnmestuff
The scene is filled with uneducated wankers who try to sound intelligent. If you dont know what your talking about keep your mouth shut ok. The TDI sound version is perfect surround sound with enhanced spectrum, however some PEOPLE who dont disable the SRS etc, and then try to play it through a shitty little pre-amp will get a buzz. This is because of the redundant audio channels they have left coz they dont know what they are fuking doing. The sound is very maleable but to get max performance play with a decent card and speakers.So in answer to all the questions, the tdi sound is nigh on perfect. The wankers who complain about buzzing shud by themselves a decent system, or learn how to unchek boxes.

Pah

:: no, these idiots u speak of don't represent the 'scene' they represent their own stupidity only. -pHo

I think your post is a perfect example of what your talking about, their are far too many people like you in it. I've got a beast of a setup. You can definetly hear the whine in TDI's it's still better than any other release but there's no denying the whine. My dvd player seems to remove most of it but thats just flattening the sound. I prefer to get as close to original as possible not muddy and dirty as seems to be fad these days. As for the wankers who should buy a new system at the same time I think I'd go and have my hearing checked if I were you.

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Posted by desertboy on 01-11-2003 10:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by walldude
Guy gave me a car once. For Free. But the radio had a high pitch metallic noise if the sound went above 50db. I told him to stick that car up his ass..... NOT!

Christ, the "terrible" audio problem with Tdi's release is almost non-existant. I finally heard it after cranking my stereo to ear shattering decibles. Quit whining. The releases are worth every penny we are paying for them... Too many greedy people around here

No not too many greedy people, I greatly greatly appreciate groups supplying releases. I've seen many many films due to TDI but thhey fucked up on sound before. Spiderman @192Kbits for a svcd for the sake of learning how to encode. Last years 2 disk mp4 kicked the ass of this years SVCD's. Still it's a high motion film. It's certainly not terrible just noticable and of course because only a small percentage of us can hear the higher frequency's it causes half of us to outright deny any problem.

I don't expect perfection it's just nice when groups provide it.

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Posted by j0hnnyVCD on 01-11-2003 06:03 PM:

Digital Daycare ...

So you would all rather piss and moan about the TDI release than actually discuss the QUALITY of the **FLiX** release?

I have the TDI release, and was considering grabbing the FliX one too to check it out ... but hey, guess what? No comments on how this release actually is... big shock. So I'll just stay with what I got... and leave you people to yer dumb ass complaining.

Typical...

Can we get a fucking babysitter here or something?

Posted by PauLReeD on 01-12-2003 02:25 AM:

The buzzing sound in TDI's release is actually aliasing. Any old-schoolers with a 12-bit sampler like the Korg DSS-1 would be familiar with it. It's basically what happens when you violate the Nyquist theorum, which I guess TDI did in their audio conversion, from 48khz to 44.1, or perhaps a change in bit depth, I dunno. I only watched Disc4 but when the woman's choir comes in the aliasing is quite severe.

Here are some links, complete with pretty pictures. The second one has a good explanation although you have to scroll down a bit to get the the section on aliasing and noise.

http://www2.cs.ust.hk/faculty/layer...ms/nyquist.html

http://www.sensorsmag.com/articles/0799/55/main.shtml

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 01-13-2003 01:24 AM:

lol

The hell is peoples problems, TDI did a damn good good job, the sound wasn't low, maybe a tad under a retail dvd but thats it. I turned my stereo up quite loud it was rumbling the walls, it sounded great. I didn't hear any annoying sounds, I have damn near perfect hearing. So since half of the people on here don't know anything about stereo's you shouldn't speak. even though i have one problem, my fucking dvd player won't play Svcds it can only handle vcd which sucks. I have to buy a new one. well hope you all take care. later all.

Posted by wmadoss on 01-13-2003 01:59 PM:

Tdi would have been great if...

the release had 5 channel surround instead of plain 2 channel stereo...will definately not see this movie without 5.1...

Posted by Gee on 01-13-2003 05:49 PM:

Re: lol

quote:
Originally posted by parasiticgannon
The hell is peoples problems, TDI did a damn good good job, the sound wasn't low, maybe a tad under a retail dvd but thats it. I turned my stereo up quite loud it was rumbling the walls, it sounded great. I didn't hear any annoying sounds, I have damn near perfect hearing. So since half of the people on here don't know anything about stereo's you shouldn't speak. even though i have one problem, my fucking dvd player won't play Svcds it can only handle vcd which sucks. I have to buy a new one. well hope you all take care. later all.

If you perform the 'header trick' I outlined in the LOTR : TTT - TDI release thread, you will be able to watch SVCDS on a player which only supports VCDs with no drop in quality.

Posted by Ricc81 on 01-14-2003 05:00 PM:

Discuss the TDi release on ANOTHER thread!!!
I'm so fucking tired of reading all these replies from wierdos who don't seem to get that IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS TDi´s RELEASE
DO SO IN THE THREAD WHERE YOU COMMENT THAT RELEASE.

Please, comment the --> FLiX-release <--- in this thread.

Posted by rippervk on 01-19-2003 05:16 AM:

Ok, here's the final verdict. Got myself the FLiX's internal and compared it with TDi's. Audio is perfect in the FliX's release. Very similar to V4F's Gangs audio. I ripped the audio at a certain area where its the worst metallic sounding and hiss and compared it with the Flix's. The video is actually pretty good for being three cds. But gotta give props to TDi's video, which is impeccable. Can't say that for audio tho. Well, doesn't look liek anyone's gonna do a real proper anytime soon, unless mayge TCF does it's own rip for the retail in like 6months or so. This won't do anygood for most of you guys, but just thought I'd let everyone know.

Well let's hope that puts to rest the comparisons between the 2 releases. Awesome rel FliX. Glad I was able to grab it.

Posted by GMKrullen on 01-20-2003 01:42 AM:

Finally!

So, basically the sound in this FLiX release is better, and Video is best in TDi's release. Although the differences arn't much I gather from all the ranting of the other posts.

GMKrullen

Posted by madmike on 01-24-2003 02:06 PM:

Serious???

Are you guys serious?? People still sit on IRC waiting for things?? That is amazing to me.. I have had the actual DVD (not svcd or vcd re-encode or any of that shit for since the day it was released a few weeks back).. I can not believe people do not just get the DVD, and shutup about bandwidth and all that crap.. move deserves nothing but the real DVD Screener.. I have a DVD burner so just burned on DVD and am done.. anyway just kills me to think people still sit on IRC queues lol.. that is old old old news.. I used to get things that way a couple years ago, can not believe people still do..

Well good luck to all those, and please no more releases of this, you can get the DVD of it, get it and be done.. by the time you keep downloading different versions you would have surpassed the 4.7GB download! lol.. Good luck IRC leeches lol.. Some day you might find the real way to get things..

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