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Posted by brr8760 on 03-27-2003 12:58 PM:

So close to perfection, again

Yep, the weird angle is still there, but it's a little less pronounced this time around. The other major flaw of the "new" Centropy is more pronounced this time--- motion blur. Also, the picture quality isn't *quite* as good as View From The Top (an 8 instead of a 9), but it's still better than any other TS out there. (With CTP, I judge them based on previous CTP releases, just to be fair to the other groups). NFO was kinda light, I was hoping for another rant, even if I didn't agree.

Audio is first rate, and so far this movie ROCKS. Just wish they could solve the boom mike problem. Er... I mean... the weird angle problem. It's always something, eh?

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Posted by dizzyD on 03-27-2003 01:05 PM:

Overall nice release. Good early release! 8.5/8.5/?

Good job guys!

Posted by jaoal on 03-27-2003 01:08 PM:

Regarding the boom mics, the consesus was that the movie was not masked as it should be and was projected with more areas shown than was originally intented. See Scooby Doo special effects for good example of this. You were actually getting MORE than you would if you had gone to the theatres and watched it there. An Extra Picture Edition, of sorts

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Posted by SainT on 03-27-2003 01:36 PM:

Must say they took a step back. Still a blur and color run off.Nice sound. And the angle will not go away people. They are forced to the shoot the film up close to get this high quality. Or you can have them shoot directly on from far away and get the blint pixly tint so you decide what you like better.

7/9/8

Posted by lo.pro on 03-27-2003 02:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jaoal
Regarding the boom mics, the consesus was that the movie was not masked as it should be and was projected with more areas shown than was originally intented. See Scooby Doo special effects for good example of this. You were actually getting MORE than you would if you had gone to the theatres and watched it there. An Extra Picture Edition, of sorts

yeah, looks like Super 35 source to me.

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Posted by pezley on 03-27-2003 02:23 PM:

*sigh* ............. ok

ok for all the people who are going to complain about the angle.......

heres the deal ( or atleast what i can only assume out of general knowledge )....... ok when you are in a dark cinema and you want a nice straight on picture you will have to sit on the higher seats.... am i wrong?? .... no

ok so when your on the higher seats it means you are further back...... ok so there you are sitting right at the back of the room.... its a dark room.... cameras need a lot of light .... hell thats how they work..... so if youre sitting that far back its very difficult to get vibrant colors.... we now have a blue tint with dark picture.... blue tint is because of the darkness and the color of the image coming thru makes eveything seem blue in the dar.... we know this because pirates have suffered from it for years.

now they have to ge alot closer to get nice colors.... uti can do it because the cut of the edges of the movie alot.... im sure centropy dont want to miss the edges....

thus the have to sit closer so everyone will shut up about the blue titn and lack of color........

to get it straight on they would have to somehow suspend the camera in the dead centre of the room ..... is it realy worth all that hassel ?

anyway i know ive rambled on a bit much so ill leave it at that .......it just pisses me off when everyone cry about the angle so much ......

anyway ...... nice picture ... good sound .... id say about 8 for both ... movie .. i dunno

and also .... why do people say "angle is still there " its not like people cant tell them selves from the jpgs !?!

oh by the way this wasnt directed at anyone in particular .... just figured id say what i thought

Posted by flex0r on 03-27-2003 02:34 PM:

good release

well just checked sample and there is a little angle again, but more like the hunted now, i watched that one without any trouble so this should work also, thnx ctp for this very watchable release

8/8/?

Posted by MoNoXiDe on 03-27-2003 04:33 PM:

GREAT RLS... 8/9/6... Movie was ok... I watched the *PROPER* FTF because it wasnt something i was dying to see... I might watch this full release to improve upon the expierience...

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Posted by brr8760 on 03-27-2003 05:03 PM:

quote:
They are forced to the shoot the film up close to get this high quality. Or you can have them shoot directly on from far away and get the blint pixly tint so you decide what you like better.

Why are we always having to choose between two extremes?? How's about they back away enough to lessen the angle problem, while still shooting close enough to avoid the overly dark pixellated issue? Maybe that's what they did on this release vs. View From The Top? I'd take a little less quality for a little less of Crispin Glover's elongated chin. If they have exclusive access to the theater, I'd say use a ladder. (If they don't have exclusive access, a ladder might draw too much attention to what they're doing). Man I luv this group.

Posted by lorddusty on 03-27-2003 05:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pezley

ok so when your on the higher seats it means you are further back...... ok so there you are sitting right at the back of the room.... its a dark room.... cameras need a lot of light .... hell thats how they work..... so if youre sitting that far back its very difficult to get vibrant colors.... we now have a blue tint with dark picture.... blue tint is because of the darkness and the color of the image coming thru makes eveything seem blue in the dar.... we know this because pirates have suffered from it for years.

No, you can get good colors in the back row, the blue tint can be mostly compensated for with filters and making sure your camera's color balances have been adjusted properly. My guess is they have to shoot from an angle for conceibailty.

Posted by Stacman on 03-27-2003 05:35 PM:

I agree with pezley for the most part. But lorddusty makes a good point also. Whatever the case, Centropy generally sets the standard.

Whatever they're doing to compensate for specific limitations, my only question to them would be, What changed from the old releases? That was a standard they established, but struggle to meet it now. Is it equipment? Accessibility? Operators? Has the whole group been transformed? Notice you don't see the custom Centropy intros on their releases anymore...

I'll still watch anything they put out...

8/8

Posted by reverend on 03-27-2003 05:36 PM:

It's great to see Centropy well and truly back and striving for quality again. However, is the mission statement of the *new CTP* to only release the worst in mall-rat fodder hollywood flicks? They seem to be concentrating on releasing only the most mindless drivel that the movie industry has to offer.

::Has there been a good movie out to release? heh i dont think so

Posted by thadoc on 03-27-2003 05:54 PM:

this release is sweet and centropy's last two releases have both been 8's and possibly 9's .......WTF IS ALL THIS SHIT ABOUT THE ANGLE MOFO'S WATCH THE MOVIE AND STFU.....

Posted by aXs-SVCD on 03-27-2003 06:53 PM:

Just got the movie, Sweet Movie good quality good sound source and angle u can hardly see it!! This movie Worth Downloading

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Posted by pezley on 03-27-2003 07:27 PM:

oh, definately centropy does set the standard ..... and i respect everything they and other groups do for us

maybe YOU can get good colors from the back..... but they obviously cant ..... i think the telesyncs are fine as they are ....

sure id like a better angle..... but what we want we cant always get

anyway i mainly posted my post just cause it pisses me off so much when people complain about the angle

if it was on one release ... sure ... they made a mistake.... but it seems a regular thing.... im sure they are trying to resolve it and will in time make things work.

anyway nice to hear replys on the matter

Posted by Darkness on 03-27-2003 07:32 PM:

Very nice.. no complaints here..

7.5/8/6

Posted by Smurf Boy on 03-27-2003 08:19 PM:

Great looking movie, angle isn't a big deal nor anything else with video, audio is crisp and nice, going to watch this release of the movie. 8/9/?

Posted by phoR20 on 03-27-2003 08:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by SainT
And the angle will not go away people. They are forced to the shoot the film up close to get this high quality. Or you can have them shoot directly on from far away and get the blint pixly tint so you decide what you like better

7/9/8

what are you saying?

u must have not seen CTP's releases from last summer ...NO BLUE TINTS, NO ANGLES, NEAR PERFECTION.

7.5/8/8

Posted by Rep- on 03-27-2003 09:14 PM:

another awesome rls by Centropy. It is sort of funny though. Normally we wouldn't complain about what they are complaining about with this release, but due to such a superb release, people always need to find a reason to complain.

Ever since they have "come back" they have had problems, and with each new release, they improved. I'm sure eventually they will have it down perfect soon, maybe for X2.

Posted by your name her on 03-27-2003 09:36 PM:

thank you centropy even though there is still i little weird angle going i have to see this movie if it wasnt for that angle this would be near perfection cuz the colors are great sound is good as usuall thanx for this rls again ctp

7/8/?

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Posted by deftones6 on 03-28-2003 12:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by reverend
It's great to see Centropy well and truly back and striving for quality again. However, is the mission statement of the *new CTP* to only release the worst in mall-rat fodder hollywood flicks? They seem to be concentrating on releasing only the most mindless drivel that the movie industry has to offer.

It isn’t the groups fault that good movies aren’t being released now. Winter and Summer are when all the good stuff gets released mostly. They put out whats in the theaters, and obviously we are interested in it, because we wouldn’t be talking about it if we weren’t. So you are partly right, yes they are releasing crappy movies, but they cant control whats being shown in theaters, and releasing crappy movies is better than releasing nothing. At least by releasing these movies they can sharpen their skills for the summer movies.

Posted by VSeeDeez on 03-28-2003 02:10 AM:

holy shit! Boner!
Thanx ctp, I watched sample and it pwned like the last 4 ts' but i must say this movie is soooooo shitty, its not worth the dl!
8/8.5/0.0005

Posted by Natural on 03-28-2003 04:39 AM:

personally, i'd take a little grain over funny angles. i don't know. at least with a grainy picture you don't really notice it after a while, but that angle thing is really persistent. heh. doesn't ever start to blend really... naw mean ?

Posted by BladeX on 03-28-2003 05:18 AM:

i agree. CTP is fucking up largly with the angle. the quality of the video is very good, everything is readable/viewable. the sound is great, but that angle just fucks everything up. even the old spiderman and star wars II were a little grainy, but i perfered that over bowed picture. scoot back guys or get the camera higher. or better yet, take some pointers from TCF. their bringing down the house was pretty much the best i've seen as far as a TS.

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Originally posted by Natural
personally, i'd take a little grain over funny angles. i don't know. at least with a grainy picture you don't really notice it after a while, but that angle thing is really persistent. heh. doesn't ever start to blend really... naw mean ?

Posted by Jaded4Ten on 03-28-2003 06:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by phoR20

what are you saying?

u must have not seen CTP's releases from last summer ...NO BLUE TINTS, NO ANGLES, NEAR PERFECTION.

judging from sample
7.5/8/?

Movies from CTP last summer with blue tint:

Unfaithful
Insomnia
Bad Company
Undercover Brother

and probably more, those are the ones that come to mind. Also they were becoming famous for the boom mics that would pop into the top of the screen from time to time.

I'm a big fan of these ts's and am perfectly happy with the quality. I just don't find that it has gotten any worse. I hope CTP continue throughout the season and release some films that I'm actually looking forward to watching.

Posted by SeeDee on 03-28-2003 11:16 AM:

6/6/8

nice rls

personal i'd rather watch it with a blue tint, than the angle, but i'm grateful either way

Update:

After watching this for a second time, that angle thing is alot more off putting thatn the blue, it looks like the opening credits to star wars throughout the film.

I think CTP should change there blue intro to :

Long time ago in a Far away galaxy......

Bring back the blue fellas

Posted by XCheMiCal on 03-28-2003 12:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by phoR20

what are you saying?

u must have not seen CTP's releases from last summer ...NO BLUE TINTS, NO ANGLES, NEAR PERFECTION.

judging from sample
7.5/8/?

yeah but this time oround it seems they don't have the same camera.

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Posted by boiler on 03-28-2003 06:42 PM:

I am glad I waited. I knew someone will be able to do a better job than the one released by FTF.

Posted by Dune on 03-28-2003 09:08 PM:

This Is Madd Fucking Nice Much Better Then Their The Hunted I Love This Release Thanks Centropy 9/8/10 - Movie Kicks Ass

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Posted by MinisterSiniste on 03-28-2003 10:16 PM:

I think the angle is very annoying. But I do agree it is still a good release and I appreciate them being on the scene again. The colors on this one look a little faded (it looks like the whole thing was filmed on a rainy day). The sound is great, and it is a pretty clear copy (much much much better than the FTF version). Sometimes you don't notice the angle at all, but then they show a close up of something, or there is something in the foreground and it is awful. This is definatly watchable though. Prolly the best copy you'll see until there is an unwatermarked screener. Thanks again guys. Move that guy back a few rows and we'll be back in business.
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Posted by Air1 on 03-29-2003 12:38 AM:

great for a TS by far. picture bothered me because it was like it was shot from the front row.

sounds was superb for a TS

The Hunted was better

7.5/8/?

Posted by Lrd_Mince on 03-29-2003 06:01 AM:

Grabbed the sample and it looks great.
8.5/ 8.5/?

Getting the movie now.

Posted by petrocs on 03-29-2003 06:48 AM:

Not bad at all..very watchable and hopefully enjoyable

Just popped it in the ole DVD player..so far the rating is

7/8/?

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Posted by socketus on 03-29-2003 07:04 AM:

you guys seem SO sure about how that angle happens

you sure the angle prob aint from hooking up a cam to the projector for the t/s and not taking into account the super 35 format this film is in?

the jpeg looks exactly like an anamorphic dvd that hasn't been "stretched" ..... on an anamorphic tv .....

or more like an anamorphic dvd on a non-anamorphic tv that the dvd player hasn't been set to 4/3 lbx, but left at 16x9 - - i.e., the peeps on the screen are tall and skinny.

im going by the jpeg, and comparing it to Tears in the Sun, where the actors heads tapered at the top which made Tears look like a distance from the screen capture problem for CTP, this one - TheCore - looks like a prob with cam settings .

just my stupid 2c worth.

but keep em coming, CTP, no body does it bettah !!

gotta luv those colors in the jpg, and besides, what's not to like about a phallic ship penetrating the hot molten core of mutha earth ? ..... hehe science fiction fantazy rUleZ

Posted by lo.pro on 03-29-2003 07:28 AM:

this is not really a big complaint... this rls was definitely watchable. but what's up with the framerate? i'm surprised it's at NTSC, considering it doesn't really have a flicker to it... but i can't see them doing a PAL>NTSC conversion, when there's no need to...

also, what's up with the field mismatch? if you notice, all the scene changes have mismatched fields, you can see both scenes at once. i almost want to say 'bad ivtc', but i just can't figure out why they'd ivtc a cam, unless it was filmed at NTSC rate to begin with... but if so, i'm very surprised that there's no flicker to speak of...

hrm... well, to my mind, this is one of the lower quality ctp releases i've seen, even from this year. the angle is bad, it makes it look like the AR is way off.. and the weird field matching is distracting, to me.

nevertheless, it is certainly true that a ctp "bad" release is better than the best release of many groups. if you want to see this one, this release is very watchable.

Posted by Klonin on 03-29-2003 09:42 PM:

Angle vs Tint

Atleast give some leeway toward the tint to try to fix the angle.

6.5 Vid
8.0 Audio
6 Flix

I mean look at Swank's leg shot......Alien look

Posted by rappa on 03-30-2003 12:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lo.pro
this is not really a big complaint... this rls was definitely watchable. but what's up with the framerate? i'm surprised it's at NTSC, considering it doesn't really have a flicker to it... but i can't see them doing a PAL>NTSC conversion, when there's no need to...

also, what's up with the field mismatch? if you notice, all the scene changes have mismatched fields, you can see both scenes at once. i almost want to say 'bad ivtc', but i just can't figure out why they'd ivtc a cam, unless it was filmed at NTSC rate to begin with... but if so, i'm very surprised that there's no flicker to speak of...

hrm... well, to my mind, this is one of the lower quality ctp releases i've seen, even from this year. the angle is bad, it makes it look like the AR is way off.. and the weird field matching is distracting, to me.

nevertheless, it is certainly true that a ctp "bad" release is better than the best release of many groups. if you want to see this one, this release is very watchable.

You do know there are cams you can adjust the shutter rate to be the same as the projection which means that its not PAL or NTSC so they can rls in either format without any flicker. On the quality. 8/9/8...i enjoyed the movie alot, kept me well entertained and its not as far fetched as u think..overall the angle doesn't affect the picture, ill take angle over blue tint.

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Posted by syxx2001 on 03-30-2003 03:33 AM:

the picture is superb, but like it has been said, the view is bad. its obvious at times, but if you just looked and glanced at the right time, it isn't noticable.

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Posted by tuwhitt_ on 03-30-2003 09:30 PM:

about boom mics..

The problem with boom mics on rips isn't the groups fault its when the film isn't loaded up perfectly on the projector and it shows too much of the top of the film thus letting the boom mic into the shot a little. So the group isn't really to blame.

Posted by Drew-Dub on 03-31-2003 02:05 AM:

Good lookin TS, one of the worst movies I've ever seen. My friends thought it was hysterical though. 8/8/1

Posted by petrocs on 03-31-2003 02:43 AM:

are we sure this is the whole movie? the movie is supposedly 136 min so I am curious how this fit onto 2 discs being an SVCD..seeing is how David Gale was 130 min and was on 3 cd's

Posted by petrocs on 03-31-2003 04:16 AM:

well..as far as I can see the whole thing is there..I am curious though SVCD has the capacity to hold about 35-60 minutes on 74/80 min CDs and the 2nd disc of the Core was 66+ minutes..hmmm anyone wanna chime in on this one?

Posted by YourW0RLDisMINE on 03-31-2003 07:01 AM:

Ummm...does anyone who has acutally seen this movie confirm that the second disc of this SVCD is flawed? The beginning of the second disc starts with the Paramount intro then cuts back to the scene, then cuts to the Core title screen, then back to the movie. It's a simple fix i know but any idea how this could have occured? Other than that, the angle isn't a problem (you'd get the same perspective if you don't get that dead center seat or got to the movie late and had to sit in the front row anyways). Excellent release CTP and keep kicking ass!

8.5/9/7

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Posted by danl on 03-31-2003 03:06 PM:

YourW0RLDisMINE,
thats your typical win xp caching problem with power dvd.
It happens when you play parts of cd1, then put in cd2 (with the same label). Windows plays the movie from the cache, so you see parts of cd1. I've watched the whole thing. No problems with either cds.

Posted by misfits138 on 03-31-2003 05:09 PM:

video: good color but a hint of fish-eye lens. 7.8
sound: very nice for ts. 8.5

Posted by olympiakos on 04-01-2003 09:11 AM:

im downloading it now..
saw the sample..looks good
i always liked most of centropy's releases

Posted by Yomper on 04-01-2003 01:10 PM:

I just watched this and i have no complaints, sound was good and so was the quality of the picture, so centropy come up trumps again IMO

Posted by Wishkmaster on 04-01-2003 02:52 PM:

Nice Release,
just watched the sample
7/8/7

Posted by necrosilva on 04-01-2003 04:37 PM:

the quality looks good. i mean come on. for somtething that barely came out Friday

Posted by lo.pro on 04-01-2003 08:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rappa

You do know there are cams you can adjust the shutter rate to be the same as the projection which means that its not PAL or NTSC so they can rls in either format without any flicker. On the quality. 8/9/8...i enjoyed the movie alot, kept me well entertained and its not as far fetched as u think..overall the angle doesn't affect the picture, ill take angle over blue tint.

there is exactly one camera in the 'prosumer' range which can shoot at Film frame rate atm. if that is what's being used, then i'm a bit disappointed at the quality, i'd have thought that one (or, of course, any of the full pro models) would give bettter quality. also, it makes no sense to me that if they were using that one, that they'd not be shooting progressive frames.

ah, well, doesn't matter anyway, i guess

Posted by memoman on 04-02-2003 02:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by petrocs
well..as far as I can see the whole thing is there..I am curious though SVCD has the capacity to hold about 35-60 minutes on 74/80 min CDs and the 2nd disc of the Core was 66+ minutes..hmmm anyone wanna chime in on this one?

can't they stretch the capacity by lowering the bitrate

Posted by petrocs on 04-02-2003 02:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by memoman

can't they stretch the capacity by lowering the bitrate

yes you are right..I'm just curious as to why they did that with this and not other releases..David Gale did NOT need 3 cd's for instance so it got me thinking

Posted by BONE on 04-02-2003 11:54 PM:

the "boom" mike problem wasn't from Centropy, it was the unedited or pre-mastered released screenings. Alot of these pre-mastered showings include scenes with boom mikes hanging in the actors faces. I went to see a pre-release of The Ring and sure enough there were mikes hanging and lowered at inapropriate times, just not fully edited from the frame.

I know The Core didn't have this issue, but the weird "Leno" angle was kinda odd. fantastic sound and about the best you can get with the picture quality (for a TS)

8/9/4

Posted by lorddusty on 04-03-2003 05:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lo.pro
there is exactly one camera in the 'prosumer' range which can shoot at Film frame rate atm. if that is what's being used, then i'm a bit disappointed at the quality, i'd have thought that one (or, of course, any of the full pro models) would give bettter quality. also, it makes no sense to me that if they were using that one, that they'd not be shooting progressive frames.

ah, well, doesn't matter anyway, i guess

Which consumer camera caps 24 fps progressive? I didn't know they'd released one yet.

Posted by B16A2 on 04-03-2003 06:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lorddusty

Which consumer camera caps 24 fps progressive? I didn't know they'd released one yet.

Some jvc's, check em out. There are even some other cams which you can adjust to cap ntsc film, but I dont know if they are progressive. Where have you been

Posted by frak on 04-03-2003 10:09 AM:

Just finished watching it....

Video: 6
Audio: 9
Movie: 6

The video was good quality.. but the Angle killed it for me, just was annoying to watch.

WTF is with CTP and all these fubar angles/lenses.

Posted by hippyhater on 04-04-2003 03:26 AM:

video 9: GREAT COLOURS!! barely noticed the angle most of the time but sometimes it was really showing (rarely)
audio 9: great sound, no buzz or anything no complaints at all

movie was entertaining, but nothing id see again for another 5-10 years

9/9/5

Posted by mceckounltd on 04-05-2003 08:30 PM:

heres what i think

Video: The angle when the movie starts at the paramount thing isnt tha greatest. Its like they taped it from a corner. One thing I have to say is the motion blur is bad. When the movie starts and the camera goes after it says The Core u can see small blocks.

Audio: Same audio as all CTP releases perfect.

Movie: havent seen it

Posted by Yomper on 04-06-2003 01:11 AM:

I agree there, motion blur was a bit of a problem, but i still found it a very watchable telesync with good sound. i don't mind a little bit of flickering in certain scenes as this release is quite early i thought and still good.
not so sure why the fuss on the angle as i didnt notice it a great deal.

Posted by 28_days_later on 04-20-2003 07:32 PM:

well it was overall a good rls except the aspect ratio was fucked when you would see the character's faces up close. their chins were HUGE!!! lol its a good rls though, good movie

Posted by danl on 04-21-2003 04:55 PM:

LOL, centropy single-handedly invented the "jay-leno-effect"....
Still superb, release though. The acting was a tad on the cheesy side...

Posted by The Booker Ma on 04-22-2003 01:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by danl
LOL, centropy single-handedly invented the "jay-leno-effect"....
Still superb, release though. The acting was a tad on the cheesy side...

Not really....... Those angles have been around since the very beggining of home made cams

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Posted by horizonstar on 04-25-2003 09:54 AM:

I'm on dial-up at home, so I didn't actually read all the posts so far, but I didn't see anyone complain about the sound in the posts I did read. Sure the angle's messed up, but I found the sound to be a little tinny and analog-ish for a TS. Oh well ...

6/7/6

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