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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-29-2007 06:29 PM:

Owning a Pro-BSL guy on the issues.

Most wont care about this, but its an important issue to me right now as BSL is spreading fast.This is botchalism from another forum, and his take on the issue of BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) followed by my response.

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Originally posted by botchalism
Well I think we can all agree that the only thing worse then pitbulls are the Welsh . I think with any dog, like any human, has the capacity to snap. I've heard many stories of the ideal pitbull, loved, obediance trained, and the like, yet unexpectedly snaps. The black lab that bit me at the dog park had gone wild because he'd been through 2 robberies in one week. My Maltese is a pretty mean little guy and when he turned on his short man syndrome and bullied the dog, the dog SNAPPED. I had to intervene, as it was obvious the lab was out for blood. It grazed my hand with its teeth and I kicked it, and it immediatly retreated. My dog had a knick as did I which was bleeding but quickly stopped. Had this been a pitbull, would I have been able to give it a swift kick and expect release. You tell me. Its in their breed to never let up once they bite down. I mean, so what, they're 5 times better in temperment. I don't care if a dalmation bites 5, 10, 20 times more, it will never equal 1 pitbull attack. So a little Pomeranian can kill an infant, a mongoose can kill an infant. I love my Maltese like a child, but would I leave him alone with an infant? No. Do infants roam the streets in danger of a small dog killing them, no. Do adults and children walk the streets in danger of a pitbull attack, yes.

Let me ask you why did you specifically pick a pitbull for a family pet. There are so many other ideal family dogs, specifically bred for human companionship and nothing else. Why pick a dog with a pedigree for violence, I mean why? I think even caring owners have some subtle desire to fufill the masculinity allure of the dog, don't you think?

You mention that your website is against irresponsible ownership. How do you combat it? If all you do is say "its bad", "don't fight pitbulls please', then of course its ludicrous to think you'll make an impact. If not BSL, then what? You don't think limiting ownership privileges of pits and rotts from novice owners is feasible? You said pitbulls need structure and rules in their life, do you think the average joe 6 pack will provide this? It wouldn't completely stop the flow, limiting it this way, but it would keep it out of easy access of criminals. Yes gun control doesn't mean criminals don't have guns, however, its harder to get and IF caught with them Do not pass go, do not collect $200. I guess my biggest point is, yes guns will end up in the wrong hands, but is making it readily available at the corner store for a $100 the answer?

AND NOW MY RESPONSE

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Originally posted by PiTBuLLeD a.k.a VTouch
Firstly, my breed is less likely to bite a human, they pass w/ higher temperment tests for a reason. Temperment tests document the dogs personality, including aggressive behavior towards strangers, children, other dogs/animals, and food bowls. The Pit Bull passes this Temperment Test with an amazing 83.5%. The Cocker Spaniel passes with 81.5%, and the Collie (Lassie) passes with a score of just 79%. Yes they were bred to fight other dogs, but during these fights the owners would be in the ring with the dogs. These dogs knew never to bite a human, for if they did they were killed. This being the case the pits that bit were killed thus taking them out of the reproduction cycle thus removing those traits from the breed. By doing this they have created a dog aggressive, people friendly breed. Not only that many of the fighters were treated like shit,yet never turned on their owner nor the other people in the "pit" during the fights. As mentioned above it was bred into the dogs that biting a human = death. Animals just know stuff, its called instincts and its created by years and years of evolution.

I specifically picked a Pit Bull (AmStaff Terrier) because i have grown up around them all my life, they have been in my family for generations. My brother breeds them, and gave me the pick of the litter. The reasons this breed is so popular is because they are known to be super loyal dogs, that give 110% at instruction you give them (which irresponsible owners exploit) and they show you more unconditional love then your average breed. Overall they are great companions, my GoTTi is my traveling companion, bodyguard, best friend, and child all in one. I say bodyguard because i have trained my dog to listen to my every command. Though being a responsible owner i would never misuse that power, only for the protection of me & my famiy in only the most needed situations.

The way to combat irresponsible ownership is to dramatically increase the relatively light weight penalties we have now for dog fighting / animal cruelty / animal neglect. It makes no sense to kill so innocent dogs, taking away best friends and even family members for some because of a few bad owners who had no business raising the dog in the first place. Also make it harder to buy a Pit Bull, which would mean stopping these puppy mills and irresponsible breeders. Hell even have owners take a course or something. This breed is only, i repeat, ONLY for those who will raise it properly and give the dog structure and a base of common basic ideas (rules). The problem is the Gov. is lazy so instead of being proactive on the issue, they would rather just say "fuk it" (excuse my language) just ban them and kill any more that we catch. It sure is alot easier than saying "you know what? lets go out there and get the heartless scumbags who use their dog as a decoration or worse a fighter", thus creating a bad dog.Im not saying there are not instances where the dog is just not right in the head because like any breed ( or animal for that matter, including human) there are mentally screwed up creatures, but this is a factor of life. You dont go out and kill off a whole breed because of a flaw in life.

The problem with your gun control analogy is that they are just putting a set of standards in order to purchase a fire arm, where'es they are just flat out BANNING pit bulls. That means that any dogs brought into the community afterwords is illegal regardless of its training, temperment, or backround. It gets euthanized simply for being the wrong breed. In Denver, 1,075 dogs identified as pit bulls were euthanized from May 2005 though May 2006, thats almost 3 dogs killed a day just for being pit bulls. This is unacceptable. I hope i opened your eyes to some realities to BSL. Please dont ever think that Breed Specific Legislation is a list of restrictions and standards to own a pit bull because its not. It is a FLAT OUT BAN! NO you can not own this breed under ANY circumstances unless it was registered before the ban date. Ok? So what happens after that last generation of Pits die out? Extinction buddy, thats what.

I hope you can see the other side of the story. Our side, the responsible owners who have special relationships with their dogs. All i ask it that you better make sure you got the right enemy in your crosshairs before you pull the trigger on a whole breed.
Joey T.
www.myspace.com/italianyg <--- for Pit Bull facts, info, and pics of me and my dog GoTTi

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Posted by Jules_Tavernier on 07-29-2007 06:37 PM:

Because your a prick.

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And then they decided to charge him with common assault - with a sausage.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-29-2007 06:54 PM:

Negative, its because i care. Im standing up for what i believe in. Give it a try sometime, it creates character. I fight for what i love, i love my dog, and on the bigger scale i love this breed. You couldnt possibly understand the 100% unconditional love, dedication, and loyalty this breed has for its owner without actually owning one and having the experience. Its all good though, keep letting the government do what they want, no worries right? Just keep quiet and allow them to just make all the decisions as you shuffle through your daily life with your head in your ass, unaware what direction your community is headed and when. Im sure itll all turn out ok right?

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-29-2007 07:26 PM:

You're the kind of guy that will only learn the hard way, so next time your fingering your mutt and it eats your face... don't come crying to us.

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Posted by roidesoleil on 07-29-2007 10:19 PM:

both of u r right. why tf would somebody wanna pit bull when they r notorious and theres many other dogs around?
u answer that by the race bein loyal to ur family for decades. but what is all that whinin about, u shoulda stopt there(dogs will not kill people because their ancestors were killed when killing people=evolution ) . obviously a dog behaves like he s bin tought so omg where is the problem

and nice to know that u know how to use ur dog as a weapon*duh*

Posted by monty23 on 07-29-2007 10:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by roidesoleil
both of u r right. why tf would somebody wanna pit bull when they r notorious and theres many other dogs around?
u answer that by the race bein loyal to ur family for decades. but what is all that whinin about, u shoulda stopt there(dogs will not kill people because their ancestors were killed when killing people=evolution ) . obviously a dog behaves like he s bin tought so omg where is the problem

and nice to know that u know how to use ur dog as a weapon*duh*

The english language is officially dead. Thanks.

Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-29-2007 10:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by monty23
The english language is officially dead. Thanks.

It's ok, he's american

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Posted by Jules_Tavernier on 07-29-2007 11:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
Negative, its because i care. Im standing up for what i believe in. Give it a try sometime, it creates character. I fight for what i love, i love my dog, and on the bigger scale i love this breed. You couldnt possibly understand the 100% unconditional love, dedication, and loyalty this breed has for its owner without actually owning one and having the experience. Its all good though, keep letting the government do what they want, no worries right? Just keep quiet and allow them to just make all the decisions as you shuffle through your daily life with your head in your ass, unaware what direction your community is headed and when. Im sure itll all turn out ok right?

you must have mistaken me for someone that's bord enough to read whatever you wrote.

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And then they decided to charge him with common assault - with a sausage.

Posted by roidesoleil on 07-30-2007 12:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
It's ok, he's american

srry if i aint into usen the oxford BE, seems a little down under at the mom... and thx for still considering me to be a native speaker

Posted by roidesoleil on 07-30-2007 12:47 AM:

quote:
The english language is officially dead

dont blame me blame it on hip hop

Posted by yoshy on 07-30-2007 08:58 AM:

ok, first of all.

Is your dog an amstaff or pb?

If you are defending the amstaff then there is reason to.

The pb as you know, was bred purely for rings.fullstop

they were NOT I repeat NOT breed for a family to love and expect to be able to be walked by any family member any time of the day.

fat chance

You said in your response to ban and penalise the illegal rings.

But they were banned a long time ago, so in fact there is no need for the pb to still be breeding dangerous, yes, dangerous dogs.

if rings were still around then Im sure many would be owning them.

the dogs need for a good fight, is not what people would like to see in a dog.

My boy loved people, children, and a rabbit, but I could not let him near any dog that he didn't grow up with him.

The point the bloke was trying to say is something you admit to and that is ....pound for pound the breed is a machine of maximum proportion (apbt)

You cant check out the jaw pressure square inch for the dog in comparison to the next, but they don't let go, other dogs will.

Good luck with you're attempt to save the breed, but there are more families out there that don't trust the dogs in comparison to the ones that do.

seems we visit the same site .........

ATTS Breed Statistics
as of December 2003
Breed Name Tested Passed Failed Percent
American Pit Bull Terrier 446 374 72 84%
American Staffordshire Terrier 457 380 77 83%
Mixed Breed 645 548 97 85%
Boxer 317 268 49 84%
Collie 761 601 160 79%
German Shepherd Dog 2642 2183 459 82%
Golden Retriever 637 530 107 83%

More info for who is interested

Posted by David Cameron on 07-30-2007 02:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jules_Tavernier
you must have mistaken me for someone that's bord enough to read whatever you wrote.

I'm very bored but even I lost the will to live 3 lines in to it.

Something about dogs I think.

Posted by yoshy on 07-30-2007 02:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I'm very bored but even I lost the will to live 3 lines in to it.

Something about dogs I think.

bored are we?

Alternatives to Breed Speficic Legislation:

1) Enforcement of generic dangerous dog laws, laws that hold owners accountable for the actions of their dogs regardless of breed. Almost every city in the U.S. already has this kind of legislation. If a dog bites or attacks someone, the owner is legally responsible, and restrictions are placed on the "guilty" dog. Why is breed-specific legislation necessary if there are already legal means in place to punish irresponsible owners and put restrictions on dogs that are proven to be aggressive?

He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life,his love, his leader. Hw will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
--Anonymous

2) Enforcement of leash laws. Let's be real strict about this. Tickets should be handed out like candy to individuals who disobey this law. Fine owners who let their dogs run loose or fail to keep them in enclosures that they cannot escape from. Let's have a 3-strikes and you're out law for people who refuse to keep their dogs under control. Use the money collected from these fines to fund community dog safety and responsible ownership programs.

3) Stop making excuses for animal cruelty, neglect, and irresponsible ownership. There need to be huge fines for those involved in any inhumane or irresponsible activity with animals.

4) Require an owner education class prior to allowing someone to own a dog. We require drivers to pass a driving test and immigrants to take a citizenship test. Teaching people about their responsibilities as dog owners is just as important, and yet, very few pet owners bother to seek education before or after getting a dog.

5) Encourage or even require people to spay or neuter pet dogs. In many cases, aggression can be significantly reduced or eliminated by neutering a dog. Most dog bites come from unneutered male dogs.

6) Teach people how to avoid dog bites. Many dogs bite out of fear or from provocation. Teaching people the best way to avoid a confrontation with a dog will keep everybody, including the dog, safe and happy.

7) Require people to socialize and train their dogs. Socialization as a puppy is one of the best ways to reduce aggression in dogs. Training reinforces the owner's status as "top dog" and reduces the likelihood of owning a dominant or aggressive dog.

Breed-specific legislation is pointless and unjust. The OWNERS should be responsible for the actions of their dogs, not the dogs themselves! Responsible dog ownership and an educated populace are the keys to eliminating confrontations between dogs and humans

Informative BSL Links:

* Practicality Of Breed Specific Legislation
* NAIA'S Red/Black Ribbon Campaign
* American Dog Owners Association
* Endangered Breed Association

Posted by David Cameron on 07-30-2007 02:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
something else about dogs

fascinating.

Posted by Neversoft on 07-30-2007 03:40 PM:

This forum has "Gone to the dogs"

ROFLCOPTERMAO!

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-30-2007 05:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
ok, first of all.

Is your dog an amstaff or pb?

If you are defending the amstaff then there is reason to.

My dog is 100% AmStaff, though as you know the john q public throws all 3 breeds (APBT, AST, ST) in the same category, Pit Bull. The reason why i defend all 3 is because the way i see it the owners of all 3 breeds are in the same boat.

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Posted by The CandyMan on 07-30-2007 06:46 PM:

Just out of couriousity, do you have to carry a bond/insurance on your pitbull? Here in the states, including Columbus, you have to carry special insurance if you own a pitbull (as defined by the statue). 100,000 per dog. I don't know of this being the case with any other breed, though I could be wrong. Just something to think about. Personally I can't stand the fuckers, and see no need for them whatsover.

Michael Vick might see it otherwise. . .

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-31-2007 12:36 AM:

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Originally posted by The CandyMan
Just out of couriousity, do you have to carry a bond/insurance on your pitbull? Here in the states, including Columbus, you have to carry special insurance if you own a pitbull (as defined by the statue). 100,000 per dog. I don't know of this being the case with any other breed, though I could be wrong. Just something to think about. Personally I can't stand the fuckers, and see no need for them whatsover.

Michael Vick might see it otherwise. . .

I live in the states, and yes my dog is covered. Its very easy to get and anyone who owns any large canines should have it. Most do being that its just plain old homeowners or renters insurance which covers this. Mine is 100,000 although they can be anywhere from 100k to 4 or 500k. And they insure alot more then just your dog, i wouldnt call it "special". But anyways i told them the truth that it was an amstaffy, they did not discriminate against me or anything. All over the phone very convenient.

Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned.

Edit::Fuk that scumbag mike vick and his asshole brother.

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Posted by David Cameron on 07-31-2007 12:43 AM:

I want a pet lion and I want to be able to take it for a walk in the park.

Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 01:15 PM:

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Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH

Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned.

WORST ARGUMENT EVER. They don't attack and kill children and adults

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Posted by yoshy on 07-31-2007 02:53 PM:

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
fascinating.

so is you're mother, but that's another thread all together
love Dwaggy

Posted by Dwaggy on 07-31-2007 03:11 PM:

You are a very unfunny poster vbitter

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 05:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
so is you're mother, but that's another thread all together
love Dwaggy

haha, that made me haha.

You are a very funny poster vbitter

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Posted by davidbrent on 07-31-2007 05:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I want a pet lion and I want to be able to take it for a walk in the park.

A Liger would be the way to go tbh.

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 05:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by davidbrent
A Liger would be the way to go tbh.

someone watched ND on Film 4 last night

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-31-2007 08:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
WORST ARGUMENT EVER. They don't attack and kill children and adults

It wasnt meant to be a part of the argument, im sure everyone else got the point so im not going to sit here and break it down for you.

I made my argument at the top of this thread, i have tons more to add to it but i wont bore you guys ( confuse you, in your case avenue) when its clear noone in this place gives 3 shits about it, or have developed a serious opinion on it through real information & facts, not what the media shoves down your throat. Which is cool, to each his own, everyone has their own battles. Just thought i would throw it out there and see who had an opinion on the issue.

Fukin nuts....

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 09:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
Personally I can't stand the fuckers, and see no need for them whatsover.

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned.

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
WORST ARGUMENT EVER. They don't attack and kill children and adults

Uh huh.

Guess you owned me like you owned that Pro-BSL guy.

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 07-31-2007 10:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
Uh huh.

Guess you owned me like you owned that Pro-BSL guy.

Ok last try and i give up on you man. And i dont want to do that because i think you have it in you to show a little common sense.

Here we go...

The guy said that he cant stand them and sees no need for them. I reply with:

"Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned."

Ok this is where it gets complicated so stay with me bro. My reply was neither disrespect towards the candyman or an argument for the specific subject at hand. It was a statement to show the general idea that because some may not like "insert noun HERE", or see any use in the existence of "insert noun HERE", that is not a good reason to ban "insert noun HERE" or to automatically support a ban on "insert noun HERE". I hope this helps bro, i know you can understand the concept if you put all your energy into it. Concentration man, concentration...
Good luck.

Joey T.

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 10:40 PM:

So, you're now saying you took part of Candymans post out of context, and came back with a statement mocking the last sentence of the post .
With someone like you trying to defend BSL, all dogs are doomed

In reality you don't know shit about dogs and have copied & pasted shit off the net... oh dear

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Posted by David Cameron on 07-31-2007 11:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
It was a statement to show the general idea that because some may not like "paedophiles ", or see any use in the existence of "paedophiles ", that is not a good reason to ban "paedophiles " or to automatically support a ban on "paedophiles ". .

Joey T.

Good point well made.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 02:40 AM:

I swear to god man its like trying to teach monkeys calculus. I dont know shit? You dont know shit. About the subject or my knowledge on the subject. I have a paper trail linking me to this breed that is longer then your mothers STD list. I dont copy and paste nothin without giving it its proper credit. Google anything i have said since this convo started, you wont find anything other then here. If you do then there is a link here corresponding to it.
If ever you feel froggy and really want to debate this you lemme know. I been doing this shit for years, and you clearly dont know dick from dirt on the subject . So you lemme know and we will see who really resorts to copy paste pussy tactics. As for now im done training monkeys for the day. So fuk off, die slow, with pissy bedsheets under you, you ignorant know-nothing ball of douche.

And btw wtf is up w/ you editing every post. Last edited by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 07-31-2007 at 04:43 PM I mean i could see if you were coming with longer well thought out posts, as i have. But your posts are like 2 line, half baked, half thought out tard comebacks.. i mean cmon guy, before we know it you will be coming back with such classics as "nuh uh" or "wutever" "dummy head" ..sigh... and they will be edited

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
Good point well made.

And you...::sigh:: You made a point for my case without even knowing it. Some people are paedo's, but only a small percentage of the human race are that fuked up in the head to harm a child. So what should be done about that? Should you say ALL people are bad and should be destroyed because a small percentage are fuked in the head and have bad intentions? Of course not. So why should it be any different with this? It shouldnt.

FACT:
Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more than 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a Pit Bull.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 03:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH

And you...::sigh:: You made a point for my case without even knowing it. Some people are paedo's, but only a small percentage of the human race are that fuked up in the head to harm a child. So what should be done about that? Should you say ALL people are bad and should be destroyed because a small percentage are fuked in the head and have bad intentions? Of course not.

No all people shouldn't be destroyed, just the paedo's. Just like all dogs shouldn't be destroyed, just the Amstaffs.

Dude, think about what you say before you say it.

Posted by danimal39 on 08-01-2007 03:46 AM:

statistics on breeds most likely to aim or kill http://dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks...6%20Clifton.pdf

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 03:51 AM:

Seriously im done, its too much. You come with these 4 word half thought replys. And think you have won the conversation, in a real debate you would have lost 4 posts ago.

The paedos are to the human as the bad dogs are to the pit breed. You dont jail/kill ppl that dont fuk kids just because there are some ppl that do fuk kids, and you dont kill the dogs that dont kill kids. Sure you can say that the paedos are to the humans as the pits are to the dog race. Which is what you are trying to say, this doesnt work because based on your logic the pit is the paedo of the dog world. The reason this doesnt work is because it goes back to the argument that a pit bull is any worse for the community than any other dog, as the paedo is worse than any other breed of sicko. To be able to say that you need factual evidence to prove the pit bull is any worse than any other breed. The reason why this doesnt work is because the facts do not point to this.

Dog involved in most fatal attacks since 1998: Rottweiler

Dog with one of the lowest temperament scores: Standard Schnauzer, 66.1% (compare that with the APBT 83.5% or the AST 83.3%)

Dogs most involved in attacks:Mutt

To make things worse the pit breed is comprised of 3 different sub-breeds, but when an attack takes place do you think it goes under staffordshire terrier? Or Amstaff terrier? No they are all lumped together in one category meaning that they should add up quicker. The more dogs in the category the bigger chance of having a mentally screwed up one(or one which was screwed by owner). Not to mention all the mutt bites that get classified as "Pit Bull" attack either by media hype (pit bull attacks sell) or misinformed idiots who think a dog is a pit because it has cropped ears, or a barral chest, or a big square head. That and the fact that a big factor in attack rate is the popularity of the dog. The more dogs of a particular breed in the community the higher chance that breed will be involved in an attack. You are not thinking about this thing all the way around, you are so worried about debunking any little detail from my posts as you can that you are not looking at the big picture, in other words your posts are not informed.

So why should the pit be the paedo of the dog world, and not any of the aforementioned breeds? Right. It makes more sense to judge the dog based on its personality and temparment rather than its breed.

All in all your wrong, both of you are wrong. You can come with your shitty kindergarten comebacks all day, anyone who really goes through this thread with an unbiased mind will be able to see that not only are you terribly wrong on all of your points, and i do mean all of them. But your debating skills are mediocre if not outright poor.
Back in your cage monkeys, i need some sleep. I will be back to own your ridiculous petty un-thought out replys tomorrow, as long as it doesnt get too ridiculous. Its as if im arguing with either a couple of early teenagers who do not know when they have lost, foreigners who lack the ability to comprehend basic logic in the english language, or a couple of tards that dont know tit from twat. Im betting on the latter...

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quote:
Originally posted by danimal39
statistics on breeds most likely to aim or kill http://dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks...6%20Clifton.pdf

The big problem with that is it says right at the top that unidentified breeds were not counted. In actuality mutts are on the top of the "most prone to bite" list and Rottweilers take the top of fatal attacks, and have since 1998. That and you can never tell if the numbers or even the analyses is correct. That whole thing was compiled by a single person (the editor of some animag). In any case i have never seen that one, so good find bro.

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 04:24 AM:

You Got Fucking Owned
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Posted by pHo on 08-01-2007 05:16 AM:

I dont know an awful lot about pitbulls (bar the fact that I've known people locally to let them roam and thats really not a good idea) or the differences between Amstaffs and my British Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but I know that with my dog despite the fact he's never ever been a threat to anyone, if I'm walking him I'm very conscious about the routes I take, I have him on a very short leash and I will always avoid other animals and children. The worst people are those who walk their animals without a leash, its irresponsible and I'm sure as hell not going to take responsibility if their idiot mutt comes up to my dog and starts sniffing about him. I know what'll happen, and it'll involve his dog being torn to shreds because staffies as breeds do not take well to other dogs.

Its happened before with larger dogs and my dog will go for it. Its in his nature, but thats why you have to be a responsible owner. I've no problems with the law saying you have to have a certain environment, certain license or whatever to keep certain breeds but to ban them outright or anything similar isn't fair to those who handle with care. My parents have people coming in and out the house all day and night (nurses have access to keys to make visits at midnight/4am) and even those who are scared of dogs took to him, because he's an awesome pup with a ton of personality. When a dog like that is in your environment, they adapt and they will behave.. its when they get outdoors they can be a handful and thats when you simply have to be careful.

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Posted by Qu1cK on 08-01-2007 05:20 AM:

I have a Pit since she was a pup, shes now 13 years old and has never bit nor devoured any small children or anything... its like anything else its all about how they are raised... You raise a little whiteboy in a rich family full of doctors... he will probably grow up and follow in there footsteps... put a white boy in a family whos dad is in jail and they can only a ford a shitty apartment in the "hood" he will probably end up in jail just like his daddy...

Don't beat your dog and it won't eat you. (unless your an idiot like some posters here)

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 05:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
I dont know an awful lot about pitbulls (bar the fact that I've known people locally to let them roam and thats really not a good idea) or the differences between Amstaffs and my British Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but I know that with my dog despite the fact he's never ever been a threat to anyone, if I'm walking him I'm very conscious about the routes I take, I have him on a very short leash and I will always avoid other animals and children. The worst people are those who walk their animals without a leash, its irresponsible and I'm sure as hell not going to take responsibility if their idiot mutt comes up to my dog and starts sniffing about him. I know what'll happen, and it'll involve his dog being torn to shreds because staffies as breeds do not take well to other dogs.

Its happened before with larger dogs and my dog will go for it. Its in his nature, but thats why you have to be a responsible owner. I've no problems with the law saying you have to have a certain environment, certain license or whatever to keep certain breeds but to ban them outright or anything similar isn't fair to those who handle with care. My parents have people coming in and out the house all day and night (nurses have access to keys to make visits at midnight/4am) and even those who are scared of dogs took to him, because he's an awesome pup with a ton of personality. When a dog like that is in your environment, they adapt and they will behave.. its when they get outdoors they can be a handful and thats when you simply have to be careful.

In other words, your a responsible owner. I wish everyone had your same ideals when it comes to owning a pit, things probably wouldnt be as bad for us as it is now. I wouldnt have to be batting off "instant experts" left and right all the time. :\

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 05:44 AM:

American pit bulls are banned in the U.K already.

Despite being illegal some people still breed them and in some cases they manage to prove that, if trained well, they can be very cool dogs.

Take this one for example , it ate a 5 year old, how cool is that.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 06:14 AM:

Yah or how about this one. A Labrador which literally bit a womans face off
http://home.hamptonroads.com/blog/t..._id=8441&uid=53

or this one where a golden retriever strangled a child by dragging it by its scarf
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/...lz1c12dogs.html

or this one where 4 greyhounds mauled a woman and killed her dogs
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/co...10-2862,00.html

or hey how about this one involving a german shepard. "
A would be police dog kills a 4 year old boy. http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/ani...k_nebraska.html

Dalmation jumps through car window to fight 2 pit bulls
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...%20pitbulls.pdf

Dalmation bites 1/2 of toddlers nose off
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...e_dalmation.pdf

pack of greyhounds kill owner
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...fatalattack.pdf

doberman attacks woman in a wheelchair.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BS...oberman0307.pdf

I can go on all day long. You see, any dog, and i do mean ANY dog has the capability to attack/kill. It could be caused by irresponsible owners or just a mentally unstable dog. As long as you train the animal right, and have the sense to know rather your dog is fuked in the head, you can turn any dog into a family dog. Have you ever seen that dog whisperer guy? he has a whole pack of pit bulls and they were mostly all rescued from fighting rings yet he even admitted that they were his best dogs. Point is its not just pit bulls. If you ban pits, rottys will be next, followed by dobermans, and german shepards, and it will be a domino effect. Look at Italy for example.

Italy started with a list of 13 banned breeds, after the # of bites went up rather than down they added more and more dogs to the banned list. Altogether the list is over 90 breeds long. They just recently banned the Welsh Corgi

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 06:58 AM:

American Pit bulls were rightly banned, the fact that one ate a 5 year old girl should prove that.

They are banned, there is only a handful in the country, one of those few ate a little girl. Post your stories about labs or alsations if you like but there has to be 100 times more of that breed of dog about.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 07:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
American Pit bulls were rightly banned, the fact that one ate a 5 year old girl should prove that.

They are banned, there is only a handful in the country, one of those few ate a little girl. Post your stories about labs or alsations if you like but there has to be 100 times more of that breed of dog about.

By your logic every breed i listed above should be banned as well then? I want to hear you say it. If pits deserve to be banned, and that particular incident proves it, then each of the aforementioned breeds should be banned to. Thats what your saying, just without saying it. So go ahead and say it man, tell me that the dalmation, doberman, greyhound, golden retreiver, black lab, & german shepard all should be banned.

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
"Post your stories about labs dalsations if you like but there has to be 100 times more of that breed of dog about."

After reading this it is apparent that you have read nothing i have said in this thread, you are not creating counterpoints at all, only creating new points which i then shut down. Then you create a new point, etc.. etc.. etc..

I mentioned that pit is a very very common dog in the US right now already, .things in the UK must be very different then the States. Here the pit is one of the most popular dogs in the country, as far as #s of that breed in the country, not reputation. And even so they dont take any of the top attack stats here.

I have already said some of that just like 1 post ago ^which is how i know you havnt payed attention to anything i said thus im wasting my time on you. It seems as if you want to just get last word in even if i have owned you this whole time, like your trying to just get out of this convo without being completely shut down. But guess wut stupidcunt, too late.

Like i said if this was a real debate you were owned like 4-5 posts ago, probably before you started. I would say ask everyone, but i have already seen that you have alot of butt buddies on here, and most of which would probably say they didnt read it just cuz you are probably currently better known around here then me, i been gone a while. But they are all thinking it man, i assure you that much.

::Edit:: BTW, pit bulls are not rare in the UK, in fact it appears as if they are abundant. And NO they are NOT illegal in the UK either, they just have restrictions on them. Mostly concerning the breeding & selling of them, as well as a few basic safety precautions. I mean Jesus guy, you dont even know shit about your own country or its laws. Yet your going to try and argue & debate over a topic and breed you clearly dont know shit about? Cmon guy....i mean cmon..

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...13022053AAkGTRU

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 07:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
By your logic every breed i listed above should be banned as well then?

Hmmm, no. You missed the point.

There aren't many american pit bulls in the u.k, yet one of those few ate a kid.

Theres thousands more labs and alsations in the country so for the ban to be proven wrong there would have to be thousands more labs and alsations eating kids. They don't, I rest my case.

Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 07:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH

::Edit::
BTW, pit bulls are not rare in the UK, they are abundant. The are NOT illegal in the UK, they just have restrictions on them. Mostly concerning the breeding & selling of them. Jesus guy, you dont even know shit about your own country or rules, yet your going to try and argue about a breed you clearly dont know shit about? Cmon guy... i mean cmon..

American Pit Bulls are illegal in the U.K, shush...stop talking.

You right, the police are just being sarcastic.

What forum are you claiming to have owned that kid on? I want to go and tell him that you just got KPWNED.

quote:
Since 1991, it has been an offence which carries a possible six-month jail sentence to breed, sell or exchange pit bull terriers, three other breeds of fighting dogs, and cross-breeds with characteristics similar to those of banned types of dog

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 07:50 AM:

Seems you have missed it again stupidcunt. Do i have to start shooting out links again? Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps it was illegal for HIM to own the pitbull? Or it was illegal because he didnt follow the restrictions and standards to own a pit bull? Where on that page does it say that Pit Bulls are banned? You realize that because it says he had an illegal pit bull, it doesnt mean pit bulls are banned. They are still legal here, but that doesnt mean there is no such thing as an illegal pit bull. A certain set of standards have to be met to own them. Im looking at a handfull of sites that say it is legal to own them as long as you follow the rules/precautions in the UK.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...d=1006052501690

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...13104658AAnVzYq

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...22030510AA763DW

Even if not your point is moot anyways, considering that there is no shortage of APBT/AST/ST's in the UK. And owned? Cmon man i been kickin your ass up and down this thread. Lets ask around and see how honest ppl are. Completely unbiased on the topic, who had the more convincing argument. See if your buddies have the heart to hurt your feelings.

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 07:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Since 1991, it has been an offence which carries a possible six-month jail sentence to breed, sell or exchange pit bull terriers, three other breeds of fighting dogs, and cross-breeds with characteristics similar to those of banned types of dog

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 08:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
They are banned, there is only a handful in the country, one of those few ate a little girl. Post your stories about labs or alsations if you like but there has to be 100 times more of that breed of dog about.

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH ::Edit:: BTW, pit bulls are not rare in the UK, in fact it appears as if they are abundant. And NO they are NOT illegal in the UK either, they just have restrictions on them. Mostly concerning the breeding & selling of them, as well as a few basic safety precautions. I mean Jesus guy, you dont even know shit about your own country or its laws. Yet your going to try and argue & debate over a topic and breed you clearly dont know shit about? Cmon guy....i mean cmon..

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...d=1006052501690

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...13104658AAnVzYq

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...22030510AA763DW

from the site you sent:
"PIT BULLS ARE NOT ILLEGAL TO OWN IN THE UK, IT IS JUST ILLEGAL TO BREED, SELL OR GIVE AWAY AS PRESENTS. THE BREED HAS NOW BEEN ON THE DANGEROUS DOG ACT FOR THE LAST 16 YEARS, THE DOGS MUST BE NEUTURED, CHIPPED AND MUZZLED WHEN IN A PUBLIC PLACE. THERE ARE FOUR DOGS ON THE DANGEROUS DOGS ACT."
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Posted by aWe on 08-01-2007 08:34 AM:

pffft. over rated dog!

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 08:55 AM:

Give up douche. You were wrong, don't try to cover it up with more shitty links that I am not gonna click.

Posted by yoshy on 08-01-2007 08:56 AM:

I have read the lot, clicked the links, and also laughed at cupids ignorance and awe intelligence.

VT....give up, they will continue answering your posts with sarcasm and ignorance.

A guy wants to discuss a serious GENERAL discussion, and the same old knobs stick there tiny dicks in a hole which is so too big for them.

Going by what I have seen and read, that dog would be a loyal and trusting dog to its owner.

Overrated you say awe?

is this a piss poor efoort to get VT to bite?

If you ever get the chance, say hello to a pitty and then proceed to lift its tail and kick it in the balls.

faggot

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 09:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
I have read the lot, clicked the links, and also laughed at cupids ignorance and awe intelligence.

VT....give up, they will continue answering your posts with sarcasm and ignorance.

A guy wants to discuss a serious GENERAL discussion, and the same old knobs stick there tiny dicks in a hole which is so too big for them.

The funniest thing is he still doesnt realize his mistake.

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Since 1991, it has been an offence which carries a possible six-month jail sentence to BREED , SELL or EXCHANGE pit bull terriers, three other breeds of fighting dogs, and cross-breeds with characteristics similar to those of banned types of dog

Nothing about owning them because, as the aforementioned links state it is not illegal to own pits only to breed/sell them.

Im done with him anyways, ill let the thread speak for itself from here on out.

quote:
Originally posted by aWe
pffft. over rated dog!

just curious, have you ever owned one? If so what exactly was it? APBT/AST/ or ST?

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Posted by yoshy on 08-01-2007 10:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
The funniest thing is he still doesnt realize his mistake.

Nothing about owning them because, as the aforementioned links state it is not illegal to own pits only to breed/sell them.

Im done with him anyways, ill let the thread speak for itself from here on out.

just curious, have you ever owned one? If so what exactly was it? APBT/AST/ or ST?

I was going to point out what you highlighted but not stating the obvious

similar rules apply here

more info for anyone that is interested

this aussie government going in blind

In response to a dog attack on a child, GERMANY recently passed legislation banning three breeds of dogs: American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Terrier and Pit Bulls.

This is total misinformation designed to mislead and biased in a way to reveal only parts of the story. Let's blame the breed, as it must be the breed and could not be the person! They actually banned 47 breeds NOT 3! Because the full truth is not told here I will tell It!

The list of banned breeds is wide ranging but there is one omission. The German Shepherd Dog (GSD). No one from the EDBA is suggesting that the GSD is more prone to aggression than other breeds. However in 1998 a survey was conducted in Germany to log the number of bites per breed
compared to population. List as follows.

GSD cross 2379
GSD 1956
Rottweiler 542
Doberman 223
All Bull And Terriers 169
Rhodesian Ridge Backs 6

In Hamburg, Germany, on June 26, an APBT and an American Staffordshire Terrier mulled to death six year old Volkan Kaja. These dogs were unrelenting in their attack. Their owners were unable to stop them. The police finally arrived and shot both dogs dead.

This is all that was reported in Australia and it was reported in the context of the ban being justified and sensible. It was reported only that they banned the APBT and other attack dogs.

The real truth was hidden, as usual. The owner, Ibrahim Kulunc, 24, was a known to the police as a drug dealing gangster. He had been convicted 17 times for robbery, grievous bodily harm and dog fighting. When the attack happened, the dog, Zeus, was already subject to a control order requiring him to be muzzled in public. This after he had bitten another person. An autopsy on Zeus revealed he had been used many times in fights and had large amount of STEROIDS and SPEED in his body and had not been fed for at least three days. Neighbours said that Ibrahim had trained Zeus to attack people and trained all of his dogs to do so.

At the time of the attack Zeus was unmuzzled and off lead, even though he was subject to a control order. What followed was predictable. The government banned American Pit Bull Terriers, all of the Bull and Terriers, Bandogs, all Mastiffs, Rottweilers and 40 more breeds. The strange thing is they did not ban the German Shepherd Dog, which causes the most human deaths from dog attack in Germany.

Had this been, for example, a Labrador would you consider a ban appropriate? Incidentally, there has been at least one death of an owner caused by a Labrador in Australia. Since this attack there have been at least two more fatal attacks by the dogs in Germany. The stated reason to ban the listed breeds was to eliminate fighting dogs, as they were characterised as devil dogs, loaded guns, and dogs that attack the throat etc. One year after this terrible incident dog attacks have not reduced from the levels of the previous year, even though the Government killed an unknown but substantial number of dogs in the fashion of the Jewish Holocaust, and those left are kept under strict regulations muzzling etc. The reason dog attacks continue is that the bad owners are still in control of dogs, and any type of dog can be made dangerous.

Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 10:18 AM:

Nice find man. Lotsa good information to be found there.

::edit::
Have a look at those #s, interesting.
GSD cross 2379
GSD 1956
Rottweiler 542
Doberman 223
All Bull And Terriers 169
Rhodesian Ridge Backs 6

As i said helluva find bit, its a very interesting article. I havnt researched the situation in other countries to the degree that i have for here in the states. Looks like the same song, German Shepards responsible for 1956 attacks, all bull breeds combined only 169. And yet they go straight after the bulls, the first 3 breeds banned were APBT/AST/ST. They wont ban the German Shepard though, because its "their" dog.
There was a time when the pit was the americans dog icon.

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Posted by VOorheES-ToUcH on 08-01-2007 10:37 AM:

Amazing story of a pit saving 2 women from a cobra.
http://www.manilatimes.net/national...070224top6.html

sad shit

Holy shit!!! And the pit survived! Fukin porcupine ::shakes fist::

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 01:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH

Nothing about owning them because, as the aforementioned links state it is not illegal to own pits only to breed/sell them.

Haha, you are still trying to pretend you weren't wrong.

I forgot, its ok to clone them or to catch puppies that are born in the wild.

/ While that Scottish paper might be good it doesn't contain the whole provisions of The Dangerous Dogs act 1991. Came into force 16 year ago, you said "BTW, pit bulls are not rare in the UK, in fact it appears as if they are abundant." Are they all over 16?

Haha, douche, you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the entire Dangerous Dogs act, not only is it illegal to breed, sell or give one as a gift it is also now illegal to own one due to provision of section 3.

(3) After such day as the Secretary of State may by order appoint for the purposes of this subsection no person shall have any dog to which this section applies in his possession or custody

That 'such a day' came and went about 15 years ago.

So douche, shut the fuck up.

Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 01:06 PM:

VorheesTouch Got fucking PWNED

Simple truth is, I joined this thread to troll you, it worked. I have no care about pit bulls or their chav owners. If some skinny little prick wants to own a mean looking dog to feel safe then so be it.

Posted by yoshy on 08-01-2007 01:48 PM:

you are
one sorry motherfucker cs

you are a pawn, and always will be...................you my dickhead is ownage plus........

wanker

Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 02:04 PM:

welp

Posted by yoshy on 08-01-2007 02:15 PM:

point proven.............

Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 02:47 PM:

Vbitter was funnier than you, shame he died of AIDS.

Posted by yoshy on 08-01-2007 03:05 PM:

if you have nothing more to add to the thread..........fuck off

you are a waste of space

Posted by David Cameron on 08-01-2007 03:20 PM:

I am British so I can only assume that the above pic was a dedication to Vorhees, your fellow dog fucker.

Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 08-01-2007 04:44 PM:

quote:
Originally bullshitted by VOorheES-ToUcH
Do i have to start shooting out links again?

Yup, backs up what i said. You know fuck all about pits and just copy & paste your "knowledge" .
HAHAHA YOU GOT PWNED!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I forgot, its ok to clone them or to catch puppies that are born in the wild.

Posted by Iammyself on 08-01-2007 11:29 PM:

this was an informative thread, on both sides, but really, no amount of arguement will budge anyone, Pits can attack, so can all types of dogs... In the US states have rights, if a state wants to ban the fuckers, they have the ability to under the constitution... PERIOD

I dont care about the UK and their laws...

I think it is rather sad that anyone could call for basically the extinction of any animal for any reason (that is what banning a breed in effect will do if enforced strictly)

I also think its rather sad that people can train dogs to be meaner than their animal instincts allow them to be. Dog fighters are assholes, plain and simple, but i think many if not most people get excitement out of seeing things fight... shit animal planet and other type shows have lions fighting and such, and to be honest, that is exciting, just as Im sure watching 2 pits go at it would be, assuming it was in nature and not a set up with the dogs being fed gun powder...

So all in all, they shouldnt be banned, I want to say there shouldnt be restrictions at all (there shouldnt be) but there are too many abusive fuckers out there who train the dogs to be vicious, and pits arent the only types.

I find that most the time when people say there should be restrictions on things, that the reason they say that is not because of the item in question, but because of the numbnuts who use that item inappropriately, and thats just sad...

Posted by jicjak on 08-02-2007 04:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Iammyself
this was an informative thread, on both sides, but really, no amount of arguement will budge anyone, Pits can attack, so can all types of dogs... In the US states have rights, if a state wants to ban the fuckers, they have the ability to under the constitution... PERIOD

I dont care about the UK and their laws...

I think it is rather sad that anyone could call for basically the extinction of any animal for any reason (that is what banning a breed in effect will do if enforced strictly)

I also think its rather sad that people can train dogs to be meaner than their animal instincts allow them to be. Dog fighters are assholes, plain and simple, but i think many if not most people get excitement out of seeing things fight... shit animal planet and other type shows have lions fighting and such, and to be honest, that is exciting, just as Im sure watching 2 pits go at it would be, assuming it was in nature and not a set up with the dogs being fed gun powder...

So all in all, they shouldnt be banned, I want to say there shouldnt be restrictions at all (there shouldnt be) but there are too many abusive fuckers out there who train the dogs to be vicious, and pits arent the only types.

I find that most the time when people say there should be restrictions on things, that the reason they say that is not because of the item in question, but because of the numbnuts who use that item inappropriately, and thats just sad...

Hmmm. Why does that $130 million over 10 years Mr. Vick come to mind. Oh well just another victim of the Projects.

Posted by David Cameron on 08-02-2007 07:07 AM:

I am starting to come around to your way of thinking. Read this story about a Pit Bull, it doesn't eat toddlers, it rapes them.

Maybe he would have eaten the baby post coitus but since he was rudely interuppted before finishing, we will never know.

story here

Posted by yoshy on 08-03-2007 09:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I am starting to come around to your way of thinking. Read this story about a Pit Bull, it doesn't eat toddlers, it rapes them.

Maybe he would have eaten the baby post coitus but since he was rudely interuppted before finishing, we will never know.

story here

How many dogs have tried to mount your leg......?

you are a twat

Many dogs have tried to fuck my leg.

Did it undo the boys button, drop the zip, pull down the pants and grease the old fella for a good mount?

you idiot

why didn't you stress that the dog dragged the boy out on to the porch?

that would have been more acceptable, but then as you know, many dogs have done that...........

lets ban all dogs that mount someones leg

Posted by Neversoft on 08-03-2007 10:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
VorheesTouch Got fucking PWNED

Simple truth is, I joined this thread to troll you, it worked. I have no care about pit bulls or their chav owners. If some skinny little prick wants to own a mean looking dog to feel safe then so be it.

You're a fucking dolt and it's only because I'm in a spectacularly good mood that your account is still active... If somebody wants to have a serious discussion in a thread, let them have it instead of letting your own attention-seeking insecurities shit all over it. There's a time and a place for your narcissistic ramblings, this isn't it.

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-03-2007 11:15 AM:

If somebody wants to have a serious discussion in a thread???

The thread title and the opening statements were basicly the dickhead telling us how he owned some other guy on some other forum.

Open to ridicule if you ask me.

Posted by Neversoft on 08-03-2007 11:21 AM:

Trolling != Ridicule

Everything you've posted in this thread would be low-brow even for a playground. Thats my point. Feel free to flame and cuss as much as you want so long as it's got something to do with the subject at hand.

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Posted by David Cameron on 08-03-2007 11:24 AM:

Everything I said might have been low brow but it was also on-topic.

Posted by Neversoft on 08-03-2007 11:37 AM:

You

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
VorheesTouch Got fucking PWNED

Simple truth is, I joined this thread to troll you, it worked. I have no care about pit bulls or their chav owners. If some skinny little prick wants to own a mean looking dog to feel safe then so be it.

are

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Vbitter was funnier than you, shame he died of AIDS.

full

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I am British so I can only assume that the above pic was a dedication to Vorhees, your fellow dog fucker.

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I am starting to come around to your way of thinking. Read this story about a Pit Bull, it doesn't eat toddlers, it rapes them.

Maybe he would have eaten the baby post coitus but since he was rudely interuppted before finishing, we will never know.

story here

shit

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Everything I said might have been low brow but it was also on-topic.

Really?

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Posted by yoshy on 08-03-2007 12:14 PM:

NS, stating the obvious doesnt sit with him.

He will pick holes in youre response......

he IS superior

Posted by David Cameron on 08-03-2007 12:21 PM:

Yoshy the Jack Russel - nipping at my heels and humping Neversofts good leg.

Repeated use of the words pwned and owned in this thread are in reference to the thread title.

The rapist pit bull was on topic, not to mention fucking hilarious.

Posted by yoshy on 08-03-2007 01:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
FACT: I am a suppurating vagina

room for one more?

Posted by Munson on 08-04-2007 05:56 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Simple truth is, I joined this thread to troll you, it worked.

Posted by Iammyself on 08-05-2007 03:38 AM:

though trolling is trife, this shit was obvious pages ago, vorhees took CS too serious... and so page long rants began, that truthfully mean shit to the people not really reading (most)

CS good job, your a cunt ass instigator that did well with vorhees

vorhees... if you think youve made your point. STFU!!! the more you talk about factual events the more people will call you nutty, atleast on forums...

Posted by David Cameron on 08-05-2007 03:53 AM:

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Originally posted by Iammyself
the more you talk about factual events the more people will call you nutty, atleast on forums...

Coming from the nut job that harps on about a 9/11 conspiracy, that's pretty good advice,

Posted by Munson on 08-05-2007 06:27 AM:

whoops

Posted by Neversoft on 08-06-2007 05:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
I have a face like a palsied vulva

DAMN STRAIGHT!

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Posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b on 08-06-2007 06:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
DAMN STRAIGHT!

Wouldnt it be very wonky?

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Posted by Neversoft on 08-06-2007 07:52 PM:

Good point, well made!

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Posted by Avenue_1 on 05-24-2008 04:40 PM:

Another Excellent thread, here's a round-up of some of my fav. posts from it.
VCDQ used to be such a fun and interesting place to come...

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Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
You're the kind of guy that will only learn the hard way, so next time your fingering your mutt and it eats your face... don't come crying to us.

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Originally posted by Dwaggy
You are a very unfunny poster vbitter

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
You Got Fucking Owned
..1.....2......3...........4.....

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
VorheesTouch Got fucking PWNED

Simple truth is, I joined this thread to troll you, it worked. I have no care about pit bulls or their chav owners. If some skinny little prick wants to own a mean looking dog to feel safe then so be it.

quote:
Originally posted by cupidstunt
Vbitter was funnier than you, shame he died of AIDS.

Posted by monty23 on 05-24-2008 07:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yoshy
Many dogs have tried to fuck my leg.

Take it where you can get it son.

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