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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-08-2009 10:05 PM:

Time for a new TV?

hummm, im looking at the LG 50PG4000 and quite impressed by it,
seeing it in the flesh.
shopping around like i did 3 years ago, going into high street shops and SEEING the dam things side by side.

all linked up showing the same HD demo loop its a good start as to see what looks good to me.

last time it was a 42" LG that wowed me, stood side by side with pannys and other makes.
some how the LG's pic just stood out by a mile.


sure i use the net to get an idea of whats out there. but noting beats seeing this shit in the real world.


ok, so at the moment, funny enough its another LG thats got my eye.
as mentioned above the LG 50PG4000, looks proper sexy.

so, seen any good plasmas out there? i should point out my budget is upto 1K.

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Posted by gezzer on 04-08-2009 10:52 PM:

Samsung 8 series LCD , I've always had Samsung stuff never ever conked out.

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Posted by wob on 04-08-2009 11:20 PM:

well i went to loads of dif shops for example..curries/pc world/richer sounds and not 1 retailer had high def content actually showing..in 1 store the manager after about half an hour setting it up let me see a sky hd channel but it wasnt evn through a hdmi cable lol and ofcourse it wasnt 1080p...//you need to see actually a hdtv connected upto a ps3 r blu ray player to see it at its best obviously..anyways i got a lg 1080p lcd jobby out of pc world which was alot cheaper than anywhere else only after i got the model number and researched it when i got home i went back and purchased it.anyways all the best ohh and reading bout plasmas ie screen burn and using 2-3 times more lecky than lcds i said no no

Posted by bradfordman on 04-09-2009 12:12 AM:

gotta go with the Samsung mate, I've got the 7 series and its absolutely mint !

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-09-2009 01:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gezzer
Samsung 8 series LCD , I've always had Samsung stuff never ever conked out.
I remember 15 years ago Samsung was generic garbage. Now there among the top contenders in LCD panels.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-09-2009 01:10 AM:

Re: Time for a new TV?

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
see what looks good to me.
This is key

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-09-2009 02:25 AM:

hummm, well ive not yet seen an LCD that beats a good plasma.
and im sure i aint seen a 50" LCD for under a grand.

50" plasma for under a grand....

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Posted by wob on 04-09-2009 02:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
hummm, well ive not yet seen an LCD that beats a good plasma.
and im sure i aint seen a 50" LCD for under a grand.

50" plasma for under a grand....


have you seen a 50 inch plasma 1080p actually showing a 1080p disc??seriously going by my experience i couldnt find any of those stores "showing off" TRUE HD good luck arfur im sure youll be very happy with what ever you go with

Posted by Bakkoda on 04-09-2009 05:01 AM:

simplyask them to hook it up to a true HD/1080p source instead of the daisy chained bullshit repeater signal they usually use. if they wanna sell that thousand dollar TV they'll do it.

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-09-2009 05:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
hummm, well ive not yet seen an LCD that beats a good plasma.
and im sure i aint seen a 50" LCD for under a grand.

50" plasma for under a grand....
Fuck a god damn Plasma TV man. Plasma is the way of the past.

You'll be MUCH happier with an LCD Arf.

Keep in mind in a matter of speaking LCD's can burn in. It's called retention but it's the same god damned thing. I still got that line down my TV, I thought it was gone but it's not. If I was in the market to get a new TV I would stick to Sammy or Sony

Looks wise I like the LG's and Sharps but don't know much about em.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-09-2009 05:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bakkoda
simplyask them to hook it up to a true HD/1080p source instead of the daisy chained bullshit repeater signal they usually use. if they wanna sell that thousand dollar TV they'll do it.
What he said.

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Posted by LOLobo on 04-09-2009 05:49 AM:

Don't like LG anything

Like Samsung

Posted by Fuckmonkey on 04-09-2009 09:21 AM:

I have a Pioneer, would have said go for that but they've dropped out of the market now. Perhaps you should wait for the next gen of OLEDs.

In any case get them to hand you the remote, then put the colour and contrast back to proper settings and watch a normal channel rather than their pre-rendered crap - that will give you a better indicator of daily use; unless you plan to watch National Geographic HD every day.

Posted by baha on 04-09-2009 11:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
hummm, well ive not yet seen an LCD that beats a good plasma.
and im sure i aint seen a 50" LCD for under a grand.

50" plasma for under a grand....

Plasma is actually the more innovative technology by way of how it works. A lot cleverer than LCD.

But in terms of quality and lifetime plasma was simply a placeholder til LCD could be extended to large screens. Plasma will be redundant within a couple of years. In fact it already is, but manufacturers still have production line capability and will continue to churn them out as long as people continue to buy them.

LCD is now and the near future (until the screen adaptation that makes 3D LCD viable kicks in).

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Posted by CARR73 on 04-09-2009 01:11 PM:

A mate of mine has just bought a new 42" LCD.

He did a shit load of research and Samsung came out top. There are different series/models.

He went for a series 9 (model LE46A956), which has some sort of led technology that makes black, really black and not dark grey, which makes the picture sharper.

Also, this one has a usb slot and plays DivX off of a usb stick.

Shame I have fuck all money, otherwise i'd get one!

Posted by baha on 04-09-2009 01:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by LOLobo
Don't like LG anything

Like Samsung

Just googled LG and Samsung as I remembered reading something about those two companies in the LCD market. Here's the skinny (mostly from wiki):

- LG and Samsung produce virtually every TFT screen in the world...they're then rebranded by every other company.

- Samsung produce the quality end, LG the value end. (I don't think that's by choice, it's by those that purchase to rebrand.)

- In 2006 Sony bought a stake in the LCD market by setting up a co-op with Samsung to produce LCD's...though, tellingly, Samsung own 51% of that partnership

- In 2007 Samsung overtook Sony to become the world's largest electronics company...having 20% of all South Korea's exports.

- Samsung have their own university from which they cherry-pick graduates for roles within the company.

Pretty impressive...apart from them sponsoring the chav cunts!

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Posted by koodo on 04-09-2009 02:51 PM:

This gives a good overview of what's out there. Nice sort choices too.

http://search.live.com/products/?q=...merce&FORM=EBCA

Posted by danimal39 on 04-09-2009 02:55 PM:

or you can wait for LED tvs to come down a little,great picture,1" thick,etc http://www.samsung.com/us/productsu...General_LED+TVs

Posted by The CandyMan on 04-09-2009 02:56 PM:

50" LCD are going for $998 at a local chain though not sure of the brand. I'd have to agree with Salad, LCD is the best choice now.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-09-2009 04:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
50" LCD are going for $998 at a local chain though not sure of the brand. I'd have to agree with Salad, LCD is the best choice now.
Eventually you'll realize you get what you pay for.

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Posted by Mother on 04-09-2009 07:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Fuck a god damn Plasma TV man. Plasma is the way of the past.

You'll be MUCH happier with an LCD Arf.
Plasma is still the best choice for watching movies. LCD is more suitable for regular TV viewing or gaming.

Posted by smurphster on 04-09-2009 09:47 PM:

I dont post very often but have to stick my vote in here...

The biggest problem with viewing tv's in store is that they are NEVER setup right. Go to independent stores - not abig chain like Curry's who have no idea what they are doing with the stock. Independent shops (like Bowers and Wilkins or Phase III or Richer Sounds - all local to me down south but there are similar near you no doubt) know what they are doing - its the ONLY way to get the best viewing conditions. And view normal channels - as FuckMonkey said, you arent going to be watching HD 24/7. Most HD tellys will look the same side by side showing HD content, but a good tv will show normal tv well as well. You can really see the difference between BBC and Dave on sky also - due to difference in bandwidth.

LCD is great at under 42" - but I have yet to see an LCD provide the same picture quality as a Plasma over this size. Anything over 42" deserves a Plasma.

Mentioned above was Pioneer - I have a mate with a 50" 9th gen Kuro - absolutely the best telly around (bar the 60" kuro) but £2500.

I have a Panasonic 32" 720p LCD - £550 from Curry's.

Another mate has Phillips 1080p 32" LCD with Ambilight - £650

We all did our research and got the best for our situation and eyes.

If it were my choice I would say...

If you dont know what you are doing with settings get the best Pana you can for the money. They dont have many settings, pretty much brightness and contrast, but the will give a gorgeous picture straight out of the box.

If you know what you are doing with TV settings get the Phillips - like most telly's its settings NEED to be adjusted by someone who knows what they are doing to get the best picture quality. Once set right for the ambient conditions of the room it will give a picture that surpasses most.

Sorry for the extra long post!

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 04-09-2009 09:53 PM:

And if you don't know how to configure it/can't find an installer to do it for you, download/rent Digital Video Essentials (HD version as it will work for SD stuff too).

Posted by Weirdman on 04-11-2009 03:02 AM:

LCD and Plasma are both good technologies, and both have their place

Biggest thing to consider when making the decision is where you are putting it, light sources in the room, and what time of day you are going to be predominantly watching it.

Plasma is MUCH better in well lit areas than a LCD. and the opposite is true, in a dark room, any (good) lcd will beat a comparable Plasma.

I install TV's amongst other things, so i have seen many first hand.

For LCD's i reccomend Sony, Samsung (Same stuff as sony, but 3 months later) or Sharp

For Plasma it is Pioneer or Lg.

Never buy an off brand (Vizio Olevia etc) Tv, they are great bang for buck, but if you ever have a problem, including DOA, it is a nightmare to repair/replace etc

Note:if your buying a small one for the bedroom or something, buy the cheapos

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Posted by The CandyMan on 04-11-2009 05:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Eventually you'll realize you get what you pay for.


Wow did I say I would buy it or it was even worth the price? Seriously coming from someone who can't even afford to pay attention why do make such stupid fucking remarks?

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
hummm, well ive not yet seen an LCD that beats a good plasma.
and im sure i aint seen a 50" LCD for under a grand.

50" plasma for under a grand....


And I responded I saw one for $998, a 50" LCD, not whether it was a good buy, what brand (probably shit) or I would buy it. And doing the conversion to both pounds and euros it comes in at 683 pounds or 759 euros. Both under a grand...

Funny thing is no matter how cheap it is, I'm the only one between the two of us that could actually purchase it lol!

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-11-2009 05:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
Wow did I say I would buy it or it was even worth the price? Seriously coming from someone who can't even afford to pay attention why do make such stupid fucking remarks?



And I responded I saw one for $998, a 50" LCD, not whether it was a good buy, what brand (probably shit) or I would buy it. And doing the conversion to both pounds and euros it comes in at 683 pounds or 759 euros. Both under a grand...

Funny thing is no matter how cheap it is, I'm the only one between the two of us that could actually purchase it lol!
This coming from the guy that knows NOTHING about the subject, but knows cheap. You spend your money on quantity, not quality.

You posted a responce that said you saw a 50in LCD for under a grand, but didn't provide any info, of course NO one is going to listen to what you had to say.

Since you don't know what your talking about you post a crack and try to be funny, Nice try asshole, post some viable info next time.

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Posted by Bakkoda on 04-11-2009 06:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Nice try asshole, post some viable info next time.
Oh fuck the irony right there just blew me away so hard I came twice.

Posted by Darlowad on 04-11-2009 11:51 AM:

Arthur yesterday i got this bad boy from currys LG 50PG3000 for £599

Reviews from avforums are favourable, yes its the "old" model but for that price i couldnt refuse!!!

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Posted by wob on 04-11-2009 01:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Darlowad
Arthur yesterday i got this bad boy from currys LG 50PG3000 for £599

Reviews from avforums are favourable, yes its the "old" model but for that price i couldnt refuse!!!


just out of interest m8 was it hooked up to a high def source??

Posted by Darlowad on 04-11-2009 01:16 PM:

Havent saw it working bought on the back off 000's hours of reading reviews and comparisons

Now Just gotta find somewhere to put my obselite 42" LG lcd

Edit: ok having read your post was google'in to find some links etc for ya and found this tv can now be had 569.99
so i cancelled with currys, reordered with pc world with a £30 discount voucher thats floating around and 4% quidco to boot
so now about £540ish delivered !!!! STINKIN CHEAP!!

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-13-2009 02:47 AM:

The one darlowad is talking about is only up to 720p.
I'm looking for 1080p.

Reading your comments here and looking into it all a little deeper,
I'm feeling drawn closer to these samsung led backlit LCD's.

Thing is, I've only seen old gen LCD's up n running
And they suffered badly from motion blurs.
How are these new samsungs for this?

Also how are these large 42"+ lcd's for dead or stuck pixles?

I would hate to shell out for a big fuck off LCD and have a fucked pixle.
I matter how small it is I would be looking at it

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Posted by pHo on 04-13-2009 03:36 AM:

Let's not pretend that LCD is better than plasma, it's blatantly not. A £2,5k Pioneer plasma will still knock the socks off any LCD set. But under a grand, and yes the LCD is going to present you with better options.

Panasonic/Samsung in that price range should give you something tasty. I've had my 720p 50" Sony RP-LCD for about 2 years now and that cost about £700, so you should easily be able to find something damn good now.

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-13-2009 04:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
A £2,5k Pioneer plasma will still knock the socks off any LCD set. But under a grand, and yes the LCD is going to present you with better options.


I'm not so sure a out that dude.
Takeing into account screen size and stuff, I would say plasma offers better value for money.

But I'm 90% decided on a LED backlit LCD now.
Now if anyone can find one (42"+) for under a grand...
Better still, that samsung mentioned above (page 1)

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Posted by olskoolfife on 04-13-2009 12:49 PM:

I'm buying one of these
http://astore.amazon.co.uk/phillips...ail/B000WDVTHI/

Posted by monty23 on 04-13-2009 08:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by olskoolfife
I'm buying one of these
http://astore.amazon.co.uk/phillips...ail/B000WDVTHI/


Liked the sound of that myself but then read this:

Be aware this is not a real 1080p TV. 1080p inputs are downscaled to 1080i, video processing is done, then the signal is upconverted back to 1080p. This tv does not have the "HD Ready 1080p" label, only "HD Ready". Philips use weasel words to describe it as Full 1080p, and say it can accept 1080p inputs. However, you get clearly visible interlacing artefacts associated with 1080i.
I have to say I was happy with this TV until I started using 1080p inputs - now I feel cheated.

And subsequently this:

This TV does not have the "HD Ready 1080p" logo - check the Philips site direct if you want to see for yourself. Compare the 9632 and 9603 HD Ready logos (they only have the 52" 9632, but the same applies). These logos are the only ones that are recognised as industry standard. The Philips "Full 1080p" logo does not mean anything outside of Philips.
If you find that misleading, then blame Philips - they are the ones clouding the issue.
Also, the 9632 uses the PNX505x processor (http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download...97/75015397.pdf) while the 9603 uses PNX5100 (http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download...97/75016130.pdf). From these spec sheets you can see clearly that the 9632 will never be capable of processing 1080p signals as it only works in the 1080i domain. Compare with the PNX5100, which is full 1080p capable.
Believe me, my setup is fine. If you google around a bit, you will find more on this issue.

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Posted by popabook on 04-13-2009 11:50 PM:

From someone that has recently done some research and purchased a Large LCD Television the better quality Televisions have a large contrast ratio, meaning that the blacks are blacker and the whites are whiter. If you narrow your decision down to a few televisions then start looking at the contrast ratio to make your decision.

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Posted by ZootedLooter on 04-14-2009 04:05 AM:

welcome to the world of unmoderated posts popabook...that one makes 10....took you long enough

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Posted by punzada on 04-14-2009 04:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by popabook
From someone that has recently done some research and purchased a Large LCD Television the better quality Televisions have a large contrast ratio, meaning that the blacks are blacker and the whites are whiter. If you narrow your decision down to a few televisions then start looking at the contrast ratio to make your decision.


just to expand on this, make sure it has the highest native contrast ratio, and not 'dynamic contrast ratio' as that number is usually blown way out of proportion and is rarely helpful.

Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-14-2009 09:08 AM:

looks like samsung led/lcd have the contrast thing nailed down.

The big ass plasmas, i mean them snazy new Panasonic's are outta my price range right now.
i guess im gonna have to give these lcds another chance...

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Posted by popabook on 04-14-2009 07:54 PM:

Thank you Zoot! My days of being a Lurch are over.

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Posted by pHo on 04-15-2009 12:46 AM:

All the manufacturers do contrast ratios using different tests, so they're not comparable. Buying a TV purely because the manu lists it as 1000 more contrast is about as sensible as buying a cell phone that says it does standby for a day longer.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-15-2009 12:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
All the manufacturers do contrast ratios using different tests, so they're not comparable. Buying a TV purely because the manu lists it as 1000 more contrast is about as sensible as buying a cell phone that says it does standby for a day longer.
Yeah, but that standby can save your ass, LOL.

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Posted by The CandyMan on 04-15-2009 12:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
This coming from the guy that knows NOTHING about the subject, but knows cheap. You spend your money on quantity, not quality.

You posted a responce that said you saw a 50in LCD for under a grand, but didn't provide any info, of course NO one is going to listen to what you had to say.

Since you don't know what your talking about you post a crack and try to be funny, Nice try asshole, post some viable info next time.


Lol if you want one that bad drive over to Newark. I saw it on the HHGregg sign, near Indian Mound Mall, this past week while driving past it on the way home from my girl's house which is why I have no clue what model it is. Sign just said '50" LCD - $998" which means it could be any brand. Sorry I didn't make a detour, since i have so much free time, and go into the store to find out all I could on it just to make sure if I was to possibly post anything about it on VCDQ I would know all that there is to know about it and I could meet your oh so important standards.



Got a job yet?

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Posted by pHo on 04-15-2009 02:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Yeah, but that standby can save your ass, LOL.


You don't seem to get my point.

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Posted by Avenue_1 on 04-15-2009 03:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
Buying a TV purely because the manu lists it as 1000 more contrast is about as sensible as buying a cell phone that says it does standby for a day longer.


Didn't see anyone mentioning buying a tv because it's just 1000 more contrast?

And yes, contrast ratio is an important part of the package when buying a new tv.

Posted by pHo on 04-15-2009 03:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Avenue_1
Didn't see anyone mentioning buying a tv because it's just 1000 more contrast?

And yes, contrast ratio is an important part of the package when buying a new tv.


The 1000 was an example, and was posted due to this:

quote:
Originally posted by popabook
From someone that has recently done some research and purchased a Large LCD Television the better quality Televisions have a large contrast ratio, meaning that the blacks are blacker and the whites are whiter. If you narrow your decision down to a few televisions then start looking at the contrast ratio to make your decision.


Contrast ratio is important, but only if compared directly using the same tests. It's hardly a secret that the manufacturers stats when trying to sell electrical equipment is usually BS.

Do side by side comparisons of sets in proper demo rooms, not biased stores like Dixons running on shitty settings, or manu 'facts' to choose your set if you have the time.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-16-2009 01:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
You don't seem to get my point.
Actually yes I did get your point, I was just being an ass.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-16-2009 01:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
Lol if you want one that bad drive over to Newark. I saw it on the HHGregg sign, near Indian Mound Mall, this past week while driving past it on the way home from my girl's house which is why I have no clue what model it is. Sign just said '50" LCD - $998" which means it could be any brand. Sorry I didn't make a detour, since i have so much free time, and go into the store to find out all I could on it just to make sure if I was to possibly post anything about it on VCDQ I would know all that there is to know about it and I could meet your oh so important standards.



Got a job yet?
You have two HDTV's yet you point out that you saw a sign that says 50in LCD, Hmmmm, Why not tell about your personal experience other than trying to prove someone wrong about the price of 'a' fucking TV.

Maybe because you don't know anything about the TV's you got?

I'll help you out. What model Flat panel do you have? What do you have connected to it? What type of picture quality are you getting? How does HD compare to SD. How many HDMI/DVI ports does it have? Is your TV 1080p/i or is it 720p, knowing you, you bought a 42in 480p Plasma TV.

Do you get any motion problems with your TV? Shit tell us something instead of just trying to prove someone wrong or trying to be a smart ass.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-16-2009 01:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
The 1000 was an example, and was posted due to this:



Contrast ratio is important, but only if compared directly using the same tests. It's hardly a secret that the manufacturers stats when trying to sell electrical equipment is usually BS.

Do side by side comparisons of sets in proper demo rooms, not biased stores like Dixons running on shitty settings, or manu 'facts' to choose your set if you have the time.
When I purchased my last 32in crt tube TV, it was clearenced as an open boxed item because the sound was shitty. In the store the TV had a horrible picture. I bought it for the fact it was under $200 and couldn't afford a god damn thing at the time. Bought the tv, and a stand for it. It still has one of the BEST SD pictures I've seen and it was a budget TV. I've had it for well over 3 years and now my mother has it but still puts out a great picture.

I still love the Tube HDTV's, the colors don't pop like some of the higher end LCD's but they do put out a great picture.

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Yes contrast ratio is very important, but you really have to do the side by side comparison or go by 500 reviews on the TV. I purchased my TV from newegg because NO stores in my area had it. Now Micro Center carries Sceptre TV's, before they didn't. I'm overall pleased with my TV.

Does anyone on here like the newer DLP's? My buddy and his wife have a 65in and it looks great but I couldn't tell a huge difference between the 720p WMV file and a store bought DVD. I wonder why? the TV is capable of 1080p. I wonder if it's something to do with the technology.

::EDIT:: I purchsed my flat panel from Tigerdirect not Newegg. The price was the same but the shipping was cheaper on Tiger.

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Posted by wob on 04-16-2009 02:51 AM:

see arthur its a fuking minefield out there

Posted by LOLobo on 04-16-2009 07:18 AM:

*sigh*

Could you just combine your 3 posts into one.

You're not koodo, you can quote and break it down.

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-16-2009 07:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by LOLobo
*sigh*

Could you just combine your 3 posts into one.

You're not koodo, you can quote and break it down.
You're right I could, but I didn't feel like it.

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-16-2009 09:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wob
see arthur its a fuking minefield out there


tell me about it.

So i went to my local Tech Street, up n down for about 2 hours.
one store had 3 floors of tv's and and on one floor all the tvs where hooked up to a split HDMI showing a HD loop demo.

Exactly the same sorce, so easy to see how each tv handled the shit.
cut a long story short, i walked away with a 52" 1080p LCD.

MAN, the PS3 looks awesom !!!

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Posted by wob on 04-16-2009 01:30 PM:

nice 1 arthur i couldnt find that kind of setup as you know whilst buying mine and yea the ps3 looks awesome

Posted by pHo on 04-16-2009 01:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
tell me about it.

So i went to my local Tech Street, up n down for about 2 hours.


TCR ?

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Posted by The CandyMan on 04-16-2009 02:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
cut a long story short, i walked away with a 52" 1080p LCD.


Now Arthur that's not enough info for Salad, you need to list all the specs and brand damn you!!

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Posted by Ripper on 04-16-2009 07:02 PM:

Now you just need to get a good base unit and some big hard drives and raid em up then grab an external hdd and hook it up and grab all the hd rips that you want, doubt you will watch a dvdr then

Make sure you hdmi your ps3 up for the best effects

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-16-2009 10:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The CandyMan
Now Arthur that's not enough info for Salad, you need to list all the specs and brand damn you!!

Yeah, Only if you understood it. Arf is the one buying a TV, again you just post in here to be an ass instead of offering any support. Great job, lol.

Also Arf if there all hooked up to the same source theres going to be a diminishing quality on each TV. You can't really judge that it that way. I would try and preview a local channel, just go during prime time because most if not all your locals should be broadcasting in HD. I know its not always possible to do this.

Dude it's not hard to pick a TV out, Just a lot of research. Forget about the specs for a moment and pick out 5 top contenders and read a hideous amount of reviews on each. You won't be disatisfied.

If your working in a budget, that can make your choices easier. When I got my TV I had a tight budget cause I was getting my car worked on and that cost a bit of money. I bought my TV sight unseen, just read every little tid bit I could on it. Read through the BS of user reviews and decided on the TV I got.

Basically what it comes down to is, You're the one stuck with the TV. Are you going to be happy a year down the road?

Like I said overall I'm satisfied with my TV, despite the flaws it does have. It's still worth the price I paid. The picture quality still beats a lot of TV's in it's price range.

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-17-2009 10:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pHo
TCR ?


yes


quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Arf if there all hooked up to the same source theres going to be a diminishing quality on each TV. You can't really judge that it that way.


yes, they were all hooked up to HDMI and HDMI splitters.
not the best source, but all displaying the same source.

easy to see how each set handled the same shit side by side 'literally'

safe to say, im happy with my new toy,
although the pic from my eurovox (renowned for shit pic) isnt great.
the built in DVT is better, but the ps3 (hdmi) is truly awesome.

flung in the EARTH blu ray and WOW! i saw NO banding or solarization artifacts.
new for me was no ghosting or movement trails with lcd.

standard dvdr (rips) via the ps3 are pretty good and games are
pin sharp.

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-17-2009 11:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
yes




yes, they were all hooked up to HDMI and HDMI splitters.
not the best source, but all displaying the same source.

easy to see how each set handled the same shit side by side 'literally'

safe to say, im happy with my new toy,
although the pic from my eurovox (renowned for shit pic) isnt great.
the built in DVT is better, but the ps3 (hdmi) is truly awesome.

flung in the EARTH blu ray and WOW! i saw NO banding or solarization artifacts.
new for me was no ghosting or movement trails with lcd.

standard dvdr (rips) via the ps3 are pretty good and games are
pin sharp.
I thought your original post said you walked 'away' from a 52in LCD.

Shit man, which TV did you get? I want details.

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-17-2009 01:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad

Shit man, which TV did you get? I want details.


don't make the same mistakes i did, and get twisted up with details.
i went into this with a few choices to be made..

LCD or Plasma, its been about 4 years from when i 'really' looked into LCD.
Samsung's new LED/LCD's on paper made me reevaluate my LCD fears.
although in the flesh, LED and normal back-lighting didn't look 'that much' different. well not a £1000 difference that's for dam sure.
anyway, LCD was back in the equation and looking at some of the dam sexy lcd's my choices doubled. or did they?

my budget was still 1k, and i wanted bigger than 42" and a native ratio of 1080p.
LCD & plasmas are a hell of a lot thinner than i remember, so much so that for some models its regarded as a selling point.
with display models on rotating stands as if to say "hey im thin n sexy".
but one question sprang to mind over and over again, Who watches a tv from the side?
yer its thin as fuck, but i cant see anything from here. lol

Samsungs series 6 with its internet'ish rss and whether had me for a while.
the ability to play movies from USB or via the network was tempting for about 15mins until during a kfc i decided i wasn't going £300 over budget and more importantly whatever set i decided on, its gonna be hooked up to a feckin ps3.
besides, by now i was starting to feel for 50" and these samsungs where only 46".

pioneer's where nice but for a tag of £2500 for what i could tell was just the ability to handle a standard SD tv signal was just...
well they where over twice my budget so fuck em.

i almost went for a 50" LG LCD, with built in DTV and a 160 hard drive for recording... but noticed it was 720p and digging a little deeper discovered its recording was restricted to its built in DTV.
but it was the 720p that put me off most, i was now SURE i wanted 1080p and 50".

LG had looked after me in the past with a warranty repair, so they where a good contender.

then i noticed a 50" 1080P LCD for £1500, humm £500 over budget lets have a look anyway.
no DTV recording built in but it dose have DTV and 3 HDMI blaa blaa blaa
pic was good, but could the settings be different from the others around it?
fuck it, lets see if i can haggle on it.
but no sooner had i started the haggle process the guy pointed to the corner of the store where a boxed up tv EXACTLY the same model was showing a price of £1100.

Why? because the box was damaged.
but he assured me the TV was fine... safe to say after a demo and a little Arthur charm i got it down to 1k and here we are.

what brand? whats the spec?

lol

like i said, 50" LCD 1080p native and the hidef shit looks awesome. nuff said.

i learnt one thing, the internet research is only good to see whats out there and at what price.
nothing beats seeing these sets up n running side by side.

why go by a site that sells tv's with a review just next to the price,
would they put a bad review there?

only review sites worth a toss are ones that don't sell shit,

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Posted by The CandyMan on 04-17-2009 01:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Shit man, which TV did you get? I want details.


LOL!

Actually I want details too.

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Posted by Neversoft on 04-17-2009 02:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Also Arf if there all hooked up to the same source theres going to be a diminishing quality on each TV.
On an analogue signal maybe but not digital you gimp

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Posted by Avenue_1 on 04-17-2009 03:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily


what brand? whats the spec?

lol

like i said, 50" LCD 1080p native and the hidef shit looks awesome. nuff said.



Damn nigga, don't be ashamed of your techtronic telly you got from tesco

Why the big secret? you named loads of other brands in your search...

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-17-2009 04:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
On an analogue signal maybe but not digital you gimp
Most stores that I know are using analog for the HD sources and not HDMI so yes if it's analog there will be obvious quality loss, I would almost have to assume without knowing 100% that if you have a digital source running from HDMI you still lose quality, the quality loss would come from the splitter right?

I'm not an expert at feeding 100's of TV's the same feed.

Arf I kind of disagree, I read a million reviews on my headphones sits that sold them, sites that didn't. Yes some sites were biased toward certain brands, kind of like fan boys. Overall if you can read through the BS then you'll have good reviews to go on even if they do sell the products.

When I purchased my 22in monitor it was $299 and that was a steal at the time, I read up on monitors and had a Scepter in mind but purchased an off brand called Chimei because it was a tad cheaper and came with a DVI cable. So all my reading went out the drain. I found my monitor on newegg well over a year later with a fuck ton of reviews and most were fantastic.

The one time I went for Quantity over Quality and got a Quality product. So it can happen, just because you've never heard of the brand doesn't mean it's going to be shit.

Hell my Tube TV upstairs that I was talking about is a budget brand LCI, LSI or some shit. It's a rebranded Sylvania and I think Sylvania sucks but that TV is fantastic, lol. Again a story of Quantity over Quality and I got Quality.

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 04-17-2009 04:57 PM:

Do we have any analog HD sources in the UK? I can't think of any - Sky HD and ITV HD are both from digital sources so the comparison should have been fair. I doubt they were using component to feed out.

Anyway even if they used a splitter/matrix it likely had a booster in it so shouldn't have affected anything. As Arthur said even at 60% quality from each feed the side-by-side would indicate the best brand.

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-17-2009 05:07 PM:

Again, something I didn't know. I don't live in the UK, Thanks for the tid bit though

I don't know how they have there setups, Also you gotta take in mind the TV settings, most stores even your TV shops don't set em up correctly half the time.


Hmmm I wonder if The Candymans flat panel is set up correctly?

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Posted by Neversoft on 04-17-2009 05:08 PM:

HDMI "splitters" as more like repeaters... There's no signal degradation, it's digital, it's basically a copy of the incoming digital data squirted to multiple outputs. A digital signal either works or it doesn't (it either decrypts or it doesn't essentially). I forgot you can get high def over component in the US as well though, which would degrade if you split it, we don't bother with that old skool shit over here in Blighty

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-17-2009 06:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Neversoft
HDMI "splitters" as more like repeaters... There's no signal degradation, it's digital, it's basically a copy of the incoming digital data squirted to multiple outputs. A digital signal either works or it doesn't (it either decrypts or it doesn't essentially). I forgot you can get high def over component in the US as well though, which would degrade if you split it, we don't bother with that old skool shit over here in Blighty


Very true, Digital in = Digital out

Most if not all store setups here in the states or at least in Columbus are running off component at best. At least that's what I've seen.

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Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-17-2009 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Also you gotta take in mind the TV settings, most stores even your TV shops don't set em up correctly half the time.



most important thing you've said all thread.


i would guess they originally are all factory default, but over time people fiddle.
difference in brightness and colours will vary greatly with display models.

a close tie with my glee, is the fact i now got my old 42" on my bedroom wall. lol

and if i had a spare wall mount, i would put this fucked spare 42" i got in storage up in the bathroom.
just for when MTV Cribs come calling lol

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 04-17-2009 06:55 PM:

I would stress again though Arthur (and anyone else): get a copy of Digital Video Essentials (HD version or other). You'll be amazed how out of whack your settings are once you've calibrated.

Posted by Ripper on 04-17-2009 07:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fuckmonkey
I would stress again though Arthur (and anyone else): get a copy of Digital Video Essentials (HD version or other). You'll be amazed how out of whack your settings are once you've calibrated.



I have had this a while but not done anything with it, might give it a go tonight along with Dolby 5.1 DTS and THX Demo Disk

P.S DVD Essentials HD is on a dual layer

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Posted by Fuckmonkey on 04-17-2009 07:43 PM:

It takes a while to complete but it is worth it - I actually started off using the recommendations on settings from AV Forums and then used this disc to tweak.

However I found the HD version didn't seem to have any HD specific tests... that may have been an early version though.

Posted by smurphster on 04-18-2009 10:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ripper
Now you just need to get a good base unit and some big hard drives and raid em up then grab an external hdd and hook it up and grab all the hd rips that you want, doubt you will watch a dvdr then


Why not just stream out to the PS3 using uShare (or similar) on a virtual Ubuntu (or similar) server? Been using this on my PS3 for the last 3 months or so - mkv2vob an x.264 source - means I have the entire library of media on my server, HD included, at my disposal on any of the capable players in my house. Just make sure if using HD source you have wired ethernet - wireless sucks at streaming high volume.

Looks awesome on my HD tv and no expensive external hard drive or messing about copying to worry about!

I am also messing with Ubuntu on my PS3 - still sucks a bit at the minute but trying to find a better driver for the graphics. HD PC in your living room!

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Posted by Bakkoda on 04-18-2009 02:53 PM:

popcorn hour :P

grats on the new TV

Posted by punzada on 04-18-2009 06:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Very true, Digital in = Digital out

Most if not all store setups here in the states or at least in Columbus are running off component at best. At least that's what I've seen.


Either that or they have the one display with component or even composite in next to a tv with a monster hdmi cable with a nice sign SEE THE MONSTER DIFFERENCE ... drives me nuts.

Posted by HoldDaSalad on 04-18-2009 07:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by punzada
Either that or they have the one display with component or even composite in next to a tv with a monster hdmi cable with a nice sign SEE THE MONSTER DIFFERENCE ... drives me nuts.
So very true, I've seen that shit.

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Posted by Avenue_1 on 04-18-2009 07:08 PM:

So Arf, what tv did you get?

Posted by Arthur Daily on 04-21-2009 09:15 AM:

hey i just noticed in celebrity apprentice when mr trump sends the winning team out of the boardroom to watch the losing team get grilled.
that's my tv they watch...

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Posted by wob on 04-21-2009 11:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
hey i just noticed in celebrity apprentice when mr trump sends the winning team out of the boardroom to watch the losing team get grilled.
that's my tv they watch...


i hope your getting some cash for letting them use your front room

Posted by Avenue_1 on 04-21-2009 04:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Arthur Daily
hey i just noticed in celebrity apprentice when mr trump sends the winning team out of the boardroom to watch the losing team get grilled.
that's my tv they watch...


Picture proof or you're talking bollocks

Posted by Darlowad on 04-21-2009 06:35 PM:

Arf stop been a gay and tell us what tv u got GOD DAMMIT!!

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Posted by jwhit007 on 04-23-2009 03:02 PM:

i use a goddamned viewsonic, it has high def...

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Posted by The CandyMan on 04-23-2009 04:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HoldDaSalad
Hmmm I wonder if The Candymans flat panel is set up correctly?


Unless there is a better way, and if so let me know, I have a HDMI cable from my DVR Cable HD Converter box straight to the tv's 1st HDMI port with analog connections from the box to my surround sound. HDMI sound was waaaayyyy too low no matter what I tried. Then I'm running a HDMI from my video card (using a DVI to HDMI converter connector) straight into the second HDMI port on my tv. Sound is feed again through analog (RCA) cables to my surround sound system straight from the sound card on the computer. Video card is an older 7600GT that does the job quite well (along with the Dual Core proc and 2 gigs of DDR2 ram)

Since Salad brought it up, any suggestions on improving my current hardware configuration (other than new hardware lol)

EDIT: The only thing I want to replace is the surround sound system, the current one is an older AIWA system I bought on the cheap that has served me well for the past 7 years (was orginally in my living room before I went component with my Kenwood Receiver) So any suggestions on a decent 7.1 surround system with a receiver (no need for dvd/cd player) would be appreciated as well. Something for a baller on a budget mind you lol.

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Posted by danimal39 on 04-23-2009 04:36 PM:

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Originally posted by The CandyMan
Unless there is a better way, and if so let me know, I have a HDMI cable from my DVR Cable HD Converter box straight to the tv's 1st HDMI port with analog connections from the box to my surround sound. HDMI sound was waaaayyyy too low no matter what I tried. Then I'm running a HDMI from my video card (using a DVI to HDMI converter connector) straight into the second HDMI port on my tv. Sound is feed again through analog (RCA) cables to my surround sound system straight from the sound card on the computer. Video card is an older 7600GT that does the job quite well (along with the Dual Core proc and 2 gigs of DDR2 ram)

Since Salad brought it up, any suggestions on improving my current hardware configuration (other than new hardware lol)

EDIT: The only thing I want to replace is the surround sound system, the current one is an older AIWA system I bought on the cheap that has served me well for the past 7 years (was orginally in my living room before I went component with my Kenwood Receiver) So any suggestions on a decent 7.1 surround system with a receiver (no need for dvd/cd player) would be appreciated as well. Something for a baller on a budget mind you lol.
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