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Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-03-2003 12:41 PM:

American Wedding *PROPER* - TELESYNC - ESOTERiC

Much better than the VCDC TS. But i dunno, i think i'll stick with the CAM for now. Can't be bothered getting another. 2 samples though?

Good stuff though ESO.

:: edit - changed my mind. this is great. i'll take this

8/7


Posted by brr8760 on 08-03-2003 12:53 PM:

Is there a more up and down group than Esoteric?? This is definitely an UP. As in thumbs up.... way up. 8/7/?

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Posted by puaatane on 08-03-2003 01:01 PM:

What a great weekend, First Italian Job, now this me happy!

from the sample :

Video:8.0
Audio:8.0
Movie : Tres bien


Posted by pezley on 08-03-2003 01:17 PM:

this is much better ... way to go estoric.. keep this up ..

sound is great cept has a slight fuzz when they talk ..

pic is fine .. isnt much better than the cam .. just seems neater .. straighter... that sorta thing

but definately get if you havent already .

also yeah why two samples? is it t show a light scene and a dark scene ? or just to get some boobs in it :P


Posted by huggy on 08-03-2003 01:19 PM:

Well done for the prompt release.This will be the one ill be grabbing till the dvd release. Thanks guys and Centropy will struggle to beat this one.

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Posted by timerx on 08-03-2003 01:22 PM:

woow. nice work ESOTERiC.. Hope to se more rells from you with this quality =)

Video 8
Sound 7
Movie ?

Thers nothing to complain about . and i don't thinks ther is any need for another TS of this movie now...

Have to say it again, nice work ESOTERiC

Edit: seen it now "Movie 10" the movie was nice but I had hope that Stifler whould be more funnier in this one, well well....

I got a litle mad at the ending whene you see people leaving the cineme


Posted by flex0r on 08-03-2003 01:34 PM:

Cool nice work ESO

impressive esoteric, normally i don't take this stuff but this one is very nice. pic has good colors and is sharp, sound a little picky when they talk indeed but nonetheless for this kinda movie this is enough to watch it immediately
about the 2 samples, i think they cut the sample1 before they knew VCDCentral would do one before they did, so they cut the 2nd one to show the comparison with vcdc's sample [same scene]

keep it up ESO

8/7/?


Posted by lance on 08-03-2003 01:35 PM:

judging by the sample.

8/8/?

i still think CTP can top this one. matter of time......

lance


Posted by WorJamesy on 08-03-2003 01:46 PM:

The colour is definately good but the pic is still a little blurry
not too bad and the sound is decent enough, definately watchable 6/6/?

:: edit - try watching it on something OTHER than a monitor -M$


Posted by psyche on 08-03-2003 01:54 PM:

This is a definitely an unexpected surprise from ESO. The video quality is magnificent for a mpeg-1 rip, with all the flashy SVCD TS's out lately I almost forgot how good some regular TS's can look if done right. The colors are vibrant, no angle, no flicker, no camcorder movement (judging from CD1) although slightly blurry (not as much with powerdvd but wmp ruins it).. I don't know if it's cropped or not but if it was it must be minimal as far as I can tell. ESO's best TS yet, and some scenes of the movie were FUNNY AS HELL (Stifler's acting was a bit more BLEH then in previous AP's). Sound was direct and very nice, I didn't notice those wierd stuff the other 2 posters noticed when listening through my headphones. Anyway, best version out and a definite keeper.. a MUST DL! 9/8/10 (Judging as a non SVCD TS)

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Originally posted by lance
i still think CTP can top this one. matter of time......


Posted by Spunko on 08-03-2003 02:08 PM:

From sample

Pic is lovely - really nice colour and none of that blue tint that haunts so many TS's. Sound seems fine - maybe a bit crackly but nothing that would stop me grabbing it.

This is the one for me good work Eso


Posted by Butch on 08-03-2003 02:51 PM:

*From Sample*

Confusing this one.The picture isn't all that sharp and the sound is a little hollow.
I really don't understand why this was encoded to VCD rather than SVCD.This would have made a great SVCD Telesync with that picture just a little sharper and would have given another release group something to beat .
7/6/?

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Posted by LINDOREZ on 08-03-2003 03:52 PM:

Esoteric congratulations on a great release.

For a VCD this is amazing, obviously this will probably be topped by an SVCD, but i would be more than happy to watch this version.

The sound is a little hollow, and the picture is not as smooth as it could have been. Other that a damn good release.

And the movie is great.

7/7/9


Posted by xlsvcd on 08-03-2003 04:00 PM:

Video: Very watchable. Good colors. Minimal cropping and no angle. 9
Audio: Little hollow, but very listenable. 7
Movie: I'll let you know. N/A

9.7.N/A


Posted by knweedo on 08-03-2003 04:45 PM:

Awsome quality. I'll definetly take it over the cam, I can't stand laughter in the background. Good work.

8/7/x


Posted by frankwhite23 on 08-03-2003 05:00 PM:

just watched samples and not bad, very watchable. i will see what the movie looks like when it finshes downloading.

8/7/?? from sample


Posted by Semtex on 08-03-2003 05:35 PM:

This is sweet - pic is awesome, sound's a little on the grainy side - can't wait to watch this puppy tonight....

8/7/X


Posted by djkoolaide on 08-03-2003 05:59 PM:

thats gay that they flamed VCDC in their nfo..


Posted by T1Jr on 08-03-2003 06:11 PM:

rating

only because im the first to rate the MOVIE instead of the quality, and sound...

8/8/TEN!


Posted by pHo on 08-03-2003 06:38 PM:

they have "past", its not unexpected.

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Posted by BOOTSTRAPS on 08-03-2003 06:59 PM:

8/?/?

i guess i'll know more after i watch it :P

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Posted by ewfbootlegga on 08-03-2003 07:17 PM:

Very nice quality. Will definetely hold me over until a screener unless a much better print comes out but I'm doubting anything will top this so much to make me get another TS copy.


Posted by HuFFKING on 08-03-2003 07:29 PM:

wicked

this is very good its clear best yet


Posted by Air1 on 08-03-2003 07:33 PM:

i've never seen such a nice ESOTERiC TS. hopefully this is what all of their future releases will be like.


i gave it a 8/8 but i hesitate to give the video an 8 just because it is a bit blurred moreso with motion than without. but it has no angle, is widescreen, and hardly cropped not to mention best release yet. gj just sharpen the picture a little more if you can.


Posted by CcZ on 08-03-2003 07:59 PM:

This is definitely the one to get, nice choice keeping it vcd too. Sound is nice, video isn't very blurry, has no angle. 8/7/7


Posted by mr.x112 on 08-03-2003 08:23 PM:

very nice

I must say this is a nice release, great picture and okay sound..but overall for a vcd telesync this is nice...8/5.... This is great ..but an svcd version will be better, whether it TCF, Tcs, TGF, CTP or Logistic.. overall I'll wait on a SVCD version for sound purposes and a little better resolution on picture quality.

Fuzz edited my shit..and I'm piss..don't touch this again..


Posted by xxdjs715xx on 08-03-2003 08:49 PM:

hmm i wonder if what will happen if i encode this into svcd

anyway

nice ts eso hopefully this is a new turn in your releases


Posted by flipp0r on 08-03-2003 09:02 PM:

excellent vcd ts. we get used to the svcd ts's in the scene
and im glad to see eso can still show us what a true vcd ts can be.
- a couple of heads pop up toward the end
and once in the middle. overall, a little blurry but the colors are crisp and the audio is top notch.
great job eso. keep it up!

8/9/8

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Posted by ajcool on 08-03-2003 09:03 PM:

7/7/?

very watchable but will wait for a better version on this. american pie rocks.

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Posted by Jdigital03 on 08-03-2003 10:00 PM:

B-E-A....Utiful Rls!!

great job ESO this is hands down one of the best vcd ts's to come along in ages. like others have stated this will more than hold me over till the dvd comes out later this year. As for the movie saw it yesterday afternoon & i couldnt stop laughing simply great if you liked the previous 2. let others flame but CTP wont do much better on this but everyone will praise as always.


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Posted by Alex2003 on 08-03-2003 10:03 PM:

Gr8 quality very watchable
sound is gr8 video too thou some people walk by the camera
but its ok its not in major scence
7/7/7

Movie good but not da best


Posted by madmuppet on 08-03-2003 11:14 PM:

I give it 7.5/8/8

Nice release and best so far


Posted by upur0 on 08-03-2003 11:43 PM:

this is a terrific rel.
video: 8, a few heads pop up at the very beginning and at the very end, nothing major here, that does not impact the viewing at all.
audio: 9, nothing at all wrong here
movie: 10, great movie, not as good as the first, but better than the second. it surprised me a lot, did not expect it to be this good. hands down the best comedy of the year so far and will probably end up being the best comedy of the year.

ctp, tcf: take a break on this one esoteric did a great job, let them have the spotlight for this one.


Posted by psyche on 08-04-2003 12:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by upur0
ctp, tcf: take a break on this one esoteric did a great job, let them have the spotlight for this one.
I doubt CTP will take a break from it because of the fanboy support and I hate to say it but they think that they are god (which to some they are). I like CTP but the've fallen off track lately with their mentality and quality, TCF on the other hand would probably pass this up since ESO is a subgroup of TCF. So I doubt they would "steal" the spotlight unless they can get an extreme better copy but I don't see that happening as this is a great release.


Posted by 65dos on 08-04-2003 12:02 AM:

Nice. 7/6/?

Can't wait for Stiflers antics! Man, I love that kid!


Posted by GeNeTiX on 08-04-2003 12:12 AM:

Cant understand why they didnt release this one in SVCD, other groups release SVCD with far less quality than this. Excellent across the board. Video has good colour, very clear.
seems a little jumpy, nothing major.
Sound is good
Funny that they added the sample with the nudity.
7.5/7.5/Im grabbing this one tonight.

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Posted by b-wiz on 08-04-2003 12:13 AM:

HILARIOUS.. anywho the release was pretty good, lol @ the girl getting up in the beggining and people leaving @ the end. Oh well what canya do.

8/7/100000000000000000000000


Posted by corman on 08-04-2003 12:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GeNeTiX
Cant understand why they didnt release this one in SVCD, other groups release SVCD with far less quality than this. .


Maybe because esoteric actually respects the scene.


Posted by vm0b on 08-04-2003 01:30 AM:

Just saw the movie, I must say it was funny!

8/8/9 looks like CTP isn't gonna release a SVCD

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Posted by BirdySOHC on 08-04-2003 01:32 AM:

Real good vivid color balance on this one. Slightly blurry, but with your TV controls can be remedied. The sound sometimes almost sounds like they are talking through a megaphone...hollow, raspy.

Definately the best copy out there now.

Another group could top this with an SVCD encode and better sound, but thats not saying a lot.

7.5/7.5/9


Posted by Mattey on 08-04-2003 02:31 AM:

very nice release eso.

video - 8 (sometimes a little blurry but not much to worry about in my opinon)
audio - 7 (i get some distortion but still nothing to worry about cause you can still understand them)
movie - cant comment on this but from the sample it looks like its gonna be a cracker

8/7/x


Posted by Ibegoat on 08-04-2003 02:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GeNeTiX
Cant understand why they didnt release this one in SVCD, other groups release SVCD with far less quality than this.


First off ESOERiC is generally a silver group, so my guess is that it isn't SVCD cuz their source was only a VCD. Anyways its a good release look forward to watching it!

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Posted by VW-Russia on 08-04-2003 03:17 AM:

Video=9 / Very good quality for a TS
Audio=7/ Typical audio for TS [Is it just me or CD2's audio is a bit better than CD1?]
MoVie=6/Just got done watching the whole thing.Yes it did make me laugh quite a few times.However it also made me want to throw up quite a few times since the ideas of MiLF and grandmother-phucker are not my type of thing.Other than that i guess the movie was ok


Posted by GeNeTiX on 08-04-2003 03:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ibegoat
First off ESOERiC is generally a silver group, so my guess is that it isn't SVCD cuz their source was only a VCD. Anyways its a good release look forward to watching it!


good call.
i hope you and corman understood why i posted that comment. i dont understand why other groups release shitty quality as SVCD.
This (IMHO) is the kind of quality i think should be released as SVCD. never thought about their source, being a silver. Im all for the VCD releases, but the scene has taken a turn to releasing shit as SVCD, which is disappointing. (i guess its a bit disappointing as well, to see quality like this not be put to its full use as an SVCD)
anyhow... im not getting anymore releases. this VCD is just perfectly fine.

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Posted by lax01 on 08-04-2003 03:44 AM:

definitely some decent TS work here...plus its less than 600 megs per disc instead of 800 megs that a SVCD would be...I will keep this till a screener or better is released.

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Posted by alphaimpulseuz on 08-04-2003 04:36 AM:

judging from the sample.....7/7/x

i usually avoid ESOTERiC releases because they are crap but this one isnt that bad....nice work


Posted by S|n|ster on 08-04-2003 04:52 AM:

Picture looks great. sounds pretty nice also. Just so hard to get cd1 but oh well finally getting somewhere. Overrall nice colors and sound 8/7/?(but heard it was funny as hell)

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Posted by xxdjs715xx on 08-04-2003 05:47 AM:

from the sample

8/9/no rating yet

heres wha i think

video - nice not to clear but will do for now . it has a very small angle line on it at the bottom.

audio - reminds me of ctp audio nice and clear.


Posted by Defrezus on 08-04-2003 06:59 AM:

Not too bad...A little motion blur, sound slightly tinny. Excellent ts. LMAO in the first 10 min 8/8/9


Posted by vcdking on 08-04-2003 07:11 AM:

quality on this 1 is just as good as the svcd copy this 1 is smaller and in in my opinion better sound movie is good but not as good as first but they never are so.... is it me or are ts getting better and better 8/8/6


Posted by allway on 08-04-2003 09:04 AM:

I was very surprised with the quality of this release. It was much more than watchable, and I was able to completely enjoy this version as much as in the theatres. Great job esoteric. The sound is a little off, but that can easily be fixed by turning the treble down a little on your tv. I highly recommend this release to anyone out there who wants to laugh. I would have preferred a SVCD release only for better sound, however this was still very impressive.

8/8/8


Posted by xxdjs715xx on 08-04-2003 09:10 AM:

heres what i think

8/9/7

video= right when it starts playing after the Universal Intro u see a ladys head walk by. urgh! colors are there video is nice!

audio= nice ctp audio

movie=hilarious


Posted by Mystic Slippers on 08-04-2003 09:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lax01
definitely some decent TS work here...plus its less than 600 megs per disc instead of 800 megs that a SVCD would be...I will keep this till a screener or better is released.


I totally agree with you on this 110%. It's good enough to hold out until a SCR or even the DVD.

There really is no point for any more releases now but i'm sure we'll see plenty more. As someone said above, there's so much shit released under SVCD now it's just not worth the hassle.


Posted by MoNoXiDe on 08-04-2003 08:42 PM:

Very Nice TS... Rare for ESO these days... Hope to see more! 8/8/9... Funny Shit!!!

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Posted by badboyz on 08-05-2003 12:02 AM:

i agree. great job guys

8/7/10


Posted by bryehn on 08-05-2003 01:17 AM:

great job for a VCD...

will be watching tonight...sample looks glate!!!!

7/8/???

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Posted by HoldDaSalad on 08-05-2003 02:14 AM:

I just watched the whole rls, Not bad, It's very clear, the audio is pretty decent. I won't get another TS of this movie myself.

The only problem I saw was a few heads walking near the end of disk 2, But other than that nothing.

7/7/7

1st. piece of pie was a classic, can't get any better.
2nd. piece of pie was good, Not like the first piece.
3rd. piece of pie your probably on a sugar high, enough is enough. But still a good piece of pie.

I think that sums up the American Pie movies.

This movie is worth a watch, It completes the series. I damn near gagged once through the movie, Oh it can be sick.

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Posted by DaGaMe87 on 08-05-2003 02:34 AM:

This release is great, just finished watching the movie that was so funny, the pic is perfect, in my opinion better than ctps, releases but some ppl will say it is not, and that is because it is not svcd and as sharp but i, i think it is perfect apart from the ppls head that pop up a few times, and the sound is great, not perfect, just u can tell there is something not perfect, but i could live with these TS's forever, thanks ESOTERiC and i hope u can produce this quality on other movies u release


Posted by Wheely on 08-05-2003 03:57 AM:

This has to be one of ESO's best rls yet !!!
Great pic and colours and audio is excellent

You can't really judge this from the sample. You have to watch it.
I watched on bigscreen and it was awesome !

This movie is an excellent laugh, some great scenes.

Overall

8/8/8


Posted by 65dos on 08-05-2003 05:34 AM:

gah, i hate my slow ass connection. i have been downloadin this esoteric release for about a day now and im still only 50% done!!!!!


Posted by aTTicA on 08-05-2003 05:57 AM:

ok as far as the movie goes 7/7 great job eso. as far aas u lamers whining about vcd svcd blah blah blah.. its all about source. if u have a digital camera, or adigital sorce...eg DVD, then releasing in SVCD format will probably PRESERVE the quality as closely as possible, and making it a vcd will probably degrade the quality. the same goes of the reverse, if u dont hve a digital source, making it a SVCD isn gonn make it better.. clearer sharper.. (billion dollar man flashback) its gonna make it more pixelated.. the flaws will show more, u cant create resolution, but u can preserve it. i think alot of groups are releasing SVCD now cuz all these(hm what word can i use without gettin my post deleted) rejects keep whining about how it would be better if it was svcd.. or thir gonna wait for the svcd, some groups .. ctp being the one that comes to mind first, should stick wth svcd, their svcd releases are generally very cleear, and it works for them, a few other groups have rls some nice SVCD TS as well,other groups, should rls in vcd.. like i said its all about the source yo alter the phrase.. crap in=crap out SVCD crap is still crap, its just crap with a bigger filesize


Posted by n3wt on 08-05-2003 09:22 AM:

straight forward ..

7.5/9/100

excelletnt audio but i wonder why the second sample was there...hmmmm ..horny sampler guys..i wonder if the Rel GRps say the samples...or is other peoples doin it ?...hmm


Posted by Spiv2 on 08-05-2003 09:24 AM:

quote:
crap in=crap out SVCD crap is still crap, its just crap with a bigger filesize


I agree totally. It's like taking a streaming audio source and encoding it to a high bitrate MP3 in hopes that it will sound better. It doesn't.


Posted by Tyler on 08-05-2003 09:45 AM:

good release and damn good film

7/7/9


Posted by kaliecious on 08-05-2003 09:45 AM:

wedding

it was cool and I did not get static in voices. good job estoric.


Posted by makeme on 08-05-2003 10:41 AM:

impressive from eso, slight motion blur though but it was watchable, no need for CTP.

7/7/8


Posted by makeme on 08-05-2003 10:43 AM:

very good no need for CTP

7/7/8


Posted by slurmman on 08-05-2003 12:34 PM:

just watched it


video was good, though alysons face near the end looked kinda ugly due to the cam colors...


sound was fine


movie was complete shit. rehash of the other two good movies. sad really.


8/9/1

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Posted by reverend on 08-05-2003 12:45 PM:

I agree that the source quality should dictate the encode format and MPEG1 is fine for this release. Good job Esoteric. I like a good telesync and the silhouette at the beginning of CD1 was magic!

The movie on the other hand was dull and lacked coherence. The previous two movies were also, but they had their redeeming moments. This third version has few laughs to bolster it's lack of direction. I drifted off to sleep somewhere during CD2 after completely losing interest.


Posted by corman on 08-06-2003 06:14 AM:

Just thought I'd put my two cents in-

I can't agree more with what some have said about vcd/svcd. svcd is fine for a telesync WHEN THE SOURCE IS APPROPRIATE. However, this is many times, not the case and makes the video look worse when re-encoded. Garbage in-Garbage out.

As for this movie, laughed my ass off.
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Posted by lickmyzack on 08-06-2003 01:46 PM:

While both the video and audio quality might be decent I tend to loose interest when I see heads start popping up on the screen from the audience.. ruins it for me.

6/6/7


Posted by mod[e] on 08-06-2003 05:52 PM:

Cool

american wedding.......

just finish watching it and i must say...its damn hillarious!......ahahha i kept laughing my arse off......good job eso! nice quick release and yet the best one out!

video = 7
audio = 7 ( a lil hollow but yet understandable)
move = 8 its just damn too funny!


Posted by snb on 08-06-2003 10:31 PM:

low sound

pic is great and timing too.. gj eso. my only problem is the sound is low and hollow..

7/5/9 (i was rolling off my seat!)


Posted by KiNgSiZe323 on 08-07-2003 05:55 AM:

This was a great release, especially since it was in VCD(my dvd player doesnt support svcd).


I really enjoyed this one more than any downloaded movie in a long time.

9/7/10


Keep it up Esoteric!!!


Posted by frak on 08-07-2003 10:14 AM:

Just watched this release:

Video: 7.5
Audio: 7.5
Movie: 8

Very good quality, ESO did a great job.

The movie is pretty funny too.. it's a little forced (the jokes) but
Stifler as always is hilarious.

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Posted by Scorch on 08-07-2003 12:14 PM:

Watchable..

Hollow sound, some things are cut off of the right side of the screen..

EDIT: The more I watch it, the better it gets.. will hold me over until a DVD screener/release.

8/8/9


Posted by acme420 on 08-08-2003 06:07 AM:

Great release. 9/8/9 One thing is bothering me though. did they cut some scenes? cuz i see the commercials on Tv and theres scenes in the commercial that arent in the movie..."anyone order 800lbs of jello". which scene was that i didnt see it in the movie. and theres other bits in the commercial i dont see in the movie.

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Posted by DarkkDiablo on 08-08-2003 06:24 AM:

ah yes, a great way to end this trilogy.
i just finished watching it and this is a very good release.

the video was very nice especially when u consider how fast it was released. no angle, it didnt appear to be cropped much and there was some noticible motion blur, but it wasnt too bad, as it wasn't an action movie with fast cars and that sort of stuff.

audio was spot on. i only noticed the audio to peak and get scratchy 2 or 3 times throughout the movie.

this will suit untill a dvdrip emerges in a few months.

now if only someone would rip those new Behind The Crust dvd's...

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Posted by LEGiON01 on 08-08-2003 08:34 AM:

Video looks good, noticed slight motion blur though. Sound was fine.

7/7/?


Posted by metalhead03 on 08-08-2003 07:57 PM:

I'd give it 8/7/10 The video was kind of blurry, audio was ok, but you can hear good, and the movie is the best of the summer.


Posted by Scorch on 08-08-2003 09:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by acme420
Great release. 9/8/9 One thing is bothering me though. did they cut some scenes? cuz i see the commercials on Tv and theres scenes in the commercial that arent in the movie..."anyone order 800lbs of jello". which scene was that i didnt see it in the movie. and theres other bits in the commercial i dont see in the movie.


No, nothing was cut.. some scenes were thrown in the trailer and weren't included in the movie, but they'll make it on the DVD.


Posted by Scorch on 08-08-2003 09:06 PM:

double post due to crappy ISP, sorry x.x


Posted by spaceboobies on 08-09-2003 04:10 AM:

7/7/7

not a bad release. Pretty funny movie. Surprised me, I thought it was going to blow.


Posted by CCCaaarrrLLLooo on 08-09-2003 10:39 AM:

awesome awesome movie

7 pic is very nice, bit cropped, but not very noticeable
6 hard to understand a bit of audio really loud
10 awesome MOVIE like i just said

get this baby...


Posted by seppp on 08-09-2003 12:47 PM:

Good Release

Thats a good TS release from eso. I watched it on my TV and the Video is almost like a good Centropy release. Joust the audio isnt that crystal but still of tha hizzie tho. Centropy got to look out for the competition

I give this movie a .... 7.3/7.0/10.0

Man this flick is really funny, better then the other 2. Actually the second one wasnt funny at all. I would recomend you guys to get this release, since it cant really get better till dvd rip.


Posted by Steeldrago on 08-11-2003 01:46 AM:

good relwase but the colors are a bit brilliant, nevertheless awsome job


Posted by kaliecious on 08-11-2003 07:04 AM:

test


Posted by Azzido on 08-13-2003 09:55 AM:

this is the first vcd-ts i've got for a while, the trend was ts-svcd and still looks to be. This is really clear and impressive in my opinion, a nice job which shows that you dont need to try and convert everything to svcd. grab this and then a dvd-scr, I dont really think a vhs scr would be worth getting as well as this?

pic - 7
sound - 7
movie - 8?

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Posted by seppp on 08-13-2003 03:12 PM:

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Well i wouldnt grab any screener after this release. The DVD Rip would be the next release thats worth it.


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