VCDQuality Forums - Be Cool *WS* *PROPER* - DVDRIP

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Posted by Mongoloid on 05-18-2005 01:18 PM:

Be Cool *WS* *PROPER* - DVDRIP - Flush

lol

Tried to proper myself with first untouched footage from the first CTP release

Besides the fuckups they (Flush) made they didnt even make it compliant in bitrate coz if u make sure it doesnt go over max bitrate for svcd it will give u an undersized CD3.

Thus in this case CTP knew what it was doing. Besides.. their 2 CD rip looked better than my 3CD undersized :P

"Flush" this down the toilet

My advice : we've seen enough propers and repacks by now for this movie anyway, coz frankly : it sucked monkeyballs.

Posted by ou812 on 05-19-2005 12:33 AM:

Yes they need to know how to correctly make a SVCD in order to proper one. hehe

Posted by narrf on 05-22-2005 05:54 AM:

it's pretty possible to fit this onto 3 full cds without violating standards, just gotta use 74 instead of 80min. while you're ranting about svcd standards, go actually read them and check on centropy's video bitrate...

Posted by Mongoloid on 05-22-2005 07:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by narrf
it's pretty possible to fit this onto 3 full cds without violating standards, just gotta use 74 instead of 80min. while you're ranting about svcd standards, go actually read them and check on centropy's video bitrate...

try before u rant.. i was talking about undersized cd3 for 3x74minutes

if it's possible without going several times above max bitrate be my guest

Posted by narrf on 05-23-2005 06:55 AM:

and what about centropy being below standards with their bitrate? i'd prefer too high over too low ... even tho its not a great movie

Posted by Mongoloid on 05-25-2005 02:23 PM:

Coz above max bitrate for svcd will choke some standalone players.. thats why there's a standard
Otherwise there wouldnt be a max bitrate now would there ?

Posted by narrf on 05-26-2005 02:05 AM:

indeed, hooray for standards.
those standards also require 1750kbit+ video bitrate ... centropy fails to provide that, dont they?

on a sidenote ... centropy's be cool svcd also peaks above 2756kbit total bitrate, e.g. right at the beginning during the roaring lion ... so both might cause a few problems on some older standalones.
but then again, noone criticises centropy for that, right?

Posted by Mongoloid on 05-30-2005 06:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by narrf
indeed, hooray for standards.
those standards also require 1750kbit+ video bitrate ... centropy fails to provide that, dont they?

Well... you have a point... but that's about pretty much it, because the rules (which CTP didnt even sign so they never even claimed to go by those rules, although they never ever failed to do so anyway), also state that quality is at the ripper's discretion... also : hardware dependent standards (which are HARD hard), have pretty much nothing to do with the so-called scenerules (which I believe are outdated personally, because if a standalone player can't play a bit above max bitrate... well.. that would mean you probably bought the most fucked up standalone out there nowadays).

quote:
on a sidenote ... centropy's be cool svcd also peaks above 2756kbit total bitrate, e.g. right at the beginning during the roaring lion ... so both might cause a few problems on some older standalones.

I used Bitrate Viewer 1.5.054, but to be 100% honest, I didnt realy check every single frame.. I kinda "glanced" thru it.. if its correct what you say (and why should I doubt that, coz I'm fairly sure you tested it far better than me by now), you're 100% right to call it a nuke.. a bitrate above svcd standards (THE SVCD standards, so I'm not talking about the silly scene standards), should ALWAYS be a nuke.... no matter what the source is.. not matter who the release-group is. All in all you would get NO discussion from me in that case... you would be 100% right, and you probably are since you tested it

quote:
but then again, noone criticises centropy for that, right?

Hahaha

On this point I disagree strongly. I will not deny that I am a fan of their work (which other group can even come close to their track record ? releasewise as well as qualitywise?). Respect where respect is due.
That doesn't mean however that I should always kiss their ass.. if they fuck up.. they fucked up.. I bitch at those fuckups too. Although there weren't many fuckups in the past from Centropy - they surely managed to fuck up this dvdr TWICE... I never ever saw that before from them.. and quite frankly.. they SUCK for fucking it up that bad... both times. They obviously were TOO cocky to even test what they made... they should be ashamed to the max no doubt about that.

That having said I still strongly disagree what you said, because you, as well as any other, know that a group like Centropy ALWAYS catches shit... even when their stuff is top nodge, some people will always bitch at them. In those cases it's probably always plain jealousy (because I really wouldn't know what else it could be if people bitch at quality).

Not that I'm sorry for them though. Although not always fair.. they should expect people to bitch - a) it's in human's nature and b) people love to bitch at the best, wether it's sports or even this.. releasing stuff into the scene.
So saying that no-one would even dare criticising Centropy is plain NOT true. people even do that when there's not even a reason to criticise them

Anyway.. all in all and getting back to the release itself too : if CTP also went beyond max bitrate (no matter for how long or whatever) with their 2 CD rip : it would be nuke, and thus properable. If a group propers it tho, they should REALLY proper it.. and not just release something. Because that frankly makes them look like... well.. Centropy, with their MORE than poor job on the DVDR. AKA... stupid.

Posted by narrf on 06-03-2005 06:20 AM:

centropy's peaks at about 2900 video if i recall that correctly, so just like 90+% of the scene SVCDs they violate the max 2756kbit.
i use the very same program, it has a nice display of the peak bitrate ... look at it

then ... yeah, centropy didnt sign the svcd rules. did flush sign? i doubt it, they just popped out of nowhere.

my final note in the last post didnt apply to you ... it more likely applied to "the scene", e.g. the nukers on vcdquality who didnt nuke it for violating hardware SVCD standards ... which is their job if i'm not much mistaken.
i personally like most of centropy's work, but every time i see some group get nuked i wonder why noone nukes centropy for the same reason, since they have violated the exact same thing.
their hitchhiker svcd ts ... bad audio mix, they apparently only used the center channel, resulting in missing effects (very noticeable in a scene where they wonder about a dangerously sounding ... sound ... which doesnt exist in the release). still, vcdquality didnt nuke (cuz its centropy?) ... but that's a different release, i dont wanna slide off-topic

so, back to the release itself, my personal final verdict:
both releases violate hardware standards, so i cant play any if i have a bad standalone.
which would i watch? ... not the one with subpar bitrate and visible quality issues, thats for sure.

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