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Posted by porco556 on 03-12-2004 04:46 PM:

Brother Bear *NTSC* *Proper* - DVDRIP - DzN

Well, this is the FIRST release where I don't think anyone will complain (unless you don't like the movie which is most likely )! At least the kids are going to be in for a real treat...

Untouched video! DTS + 5.1! Menu!

So I will have to add something that makes no sense

Video 6/10 - nice re-encode, but I found some graininess in the Digital transfer... Was this done using DVD-Shrink?!?!

Sounds 6/10 - nice DTS mix, but sounds downsampled... The moose kept saying, "eh" after every sentence... Anyone else had this problem?

Movie 10/10 - Talkin' bears! I'm there!

Kidding of course... PERFECT release! 2 for 2 DZN!

Posted by mew on 03-13-2004 02:59 AM:

Nice release, easy strip so not even <insert a fuckup grp you hate here> could've fucked it up

Gonna give the movie a shot I think, alot of people speak high of it.

Posted by porco556 on 03-15-2004 07:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mew
Nice release, easy strip so not even <insert a fuckup grp you hate here> could've fucked it up

OH I dunno about that

I can see some people downsampling to fit a useless extra or two onto the DVD-R... It has been done, unfortunately...

Taking the perfect, easy, cookie cutter release and fucking it up...

HAHA! Thinking about it now! They could have cut out the DTS, downsampled the video and then include all the extras

Posted by mew on 03-17-2004 10:00 PM:

Hmm you're right

I have the same problem as you actually, I hate it when BHP, aNBc or other groups release lameass "complete" rips full of crappy extras and 3000 kbit/s video bitrate. Wish those grps would just drop dead, luckily they dont win too many releases.

Posted by JoshNya on 03-19-2004 03:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mew
Hmm you're right

I have the same problem as you actually, I hate it when BHP, aNBc or other groups release lameass "complete" rips full of crappy extras and 3000 kbit/s video bitrate. Wish those grps would just drop dead, luckily they dont win too many releases.

I personally enjoy extras over DVD-Shrink anyday. But thats me. Kids dont understand why the extras are gone, and why they cant play their dvd game. There's a million ways to do a DVD9 2 DVD5 convertion, don't need to flame groups just because they didn't do it your favorite way. Sheesh..

Posted by porco556 on 03-19-2004 04:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JoshNya
I personally enjoy extras over DVD-Shrink anyday. But thats me. Kids dont understand why the extras are gone, and why they cant play their dvd game. There's a million ways to do a DVD9 2 DVD5 convertion, don't need to flame groups just because they didn't do it your favorite way. Sheesh..

But then there comes a time when you have to (in my opinion) think about the billion dollar companies who make these movies and actually buy a couple

But as we agreed in The Rundown forum, million ways to do this DVD9 to DVD5 stuff.

If you give it all complete in the DVD-R release, then it goes to the old saying, "why buy the cow when you get the milk for free."

So just like there is Spider-Man and Batman, they fight crime (ironic choice) in their own ways. People will eternally root for their own choice and bash the other (ie: Batman sucks cuz he doesn't have spidey senses

). People will also eternally chooze their own DVD9 to DVD5 method and root for that.

Posted by mew on 03-19-2004 06:08 PM:

Just to make it clear I was flaming that particular kind of release (low bitrate, full of worthless extras) and not the groups, I just mentioned those grps since they tend to often release such rips. And most groups who rip out extras to maintain quality for main feature edits the menu so you cant choose what's not there, if your kid is smart enough to navigate a dvd menu Im sure after a few tries he'll understand if something cant be selected, its not there :P

EDIT: Oh and I have no idea why you call those movie+menu-only rips DVD-Shrink, doesnt make sense to me.

Posted by porco556 on 03-19-2004 06:42 PM:

Mew,

Spiderman rules!! Batman sucks!!

HMM, but what about Superman?

Just stick to what you like, no need to defend yourself... We like what we like...

PS: BHP likes Batman!

Posted by JoshNya on 03-20-2004 12:46 AM:

I classify the pre groups into 3 catagories:

1 (worst) using one click programs, whether to hurry the rls, or lack of know-how. Or to claim untouched video. And people kiss their @$$es.
CTP (lotr3), DzN (sinbad), twciso (lost in trans) (seen other movies too, those were the first to come to mind)

2 (moderate) 1video, 1audio, 1half-working menu, alot of file deleteing, no editing (9 times out of 10 they say went with the highest bitrate possible, and looks like crap) (Seabiscuit/Missing/School of Rock, comes to mind)
Replica, MPTDVD , Svenne

3 (best) takes time, render/keep some extras, keeps it above 3000 (scene standard) and rarely propered or have a screwup release.
Berger, BHP, aNBc

These are my .02, but this is how I see it.

I personally cant tell the bitrate on a 3100 compaired to a 4000 movie on my 52" HDTV. The only way I possibly could is if I had 2 of the same movie and did a frame by frame comparison, pending all else is equal (passes so forth).

Oh, BTW, I like extras, deleted scenes, making, some trailers like spiderman2, hell boy, evil dead 2.

Again, here's my .02. Plus I Always buy the ones that are worth it.

Posted by porco556 on 03-20-2004 08:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JoshNya
I classify the pre groups into 3 catagories:

1 (worst) using one click programs, whether to hurry the rls, or lack of know-how. Or to claim untouched video. And people kiss their @$$es.
CTP (lotr3), DzN (sinbad), twciso (lost in trans) (seen other movies too, those were the first to come to mind)

2 (moderate) 1video, 1audio, 1half-working menu, alot of file deleteing, no editing (9 times out of 10 they say went with the highest bitrate possible, and looks like crap) (Seabiscuit/Missing/School of Rock, comes to mind)
Replica, MPTDVD , Svenne

3 (best) takes time, render/keep some extras, keeps it above 3000 (scene standard) and rarely propered or have a screwup release.
Berger, BHP, aNBc

These are my .02, but this is how I see it.

Hehe... We got the exact opposite point of views

At least we agree on number 2 (moderate)

But I love my untouched video. If I actually care enough to see how the movie was made, I'm buying it. Else the movie only is good enough for me. So call me a #1 @$$ kisser

However, in defence of the number 2s. Seabiscuit, Missing and School of Rock (I would also add Pirates of the Caribbean there too personally) had fairly poor video quality on the retails. Even The Rundown retail video is fairly poor. So there wasn't much to work with to begin with.

My favorite part of ALL these groups, above all else, is their ability to get these DVDs upwards of months before their store release. So props to them for that!!

Posted by mew on 03-20-2004 06:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JoshNya
I classify the pre groups into 3 catagories:

1 (worst) using one click programs, whether to hurry the rls, or lack of know-how. Or to claim untouched video. And people kiss their @$$es.
CTP (lotr3), DzN (sinbad), twciso (lost in trans) (seen other movies too, those were the first to come to mind)

2 (moderate) 1video, 1audio, 1half-working menu, alot of file deleteing, no editing (9 times out of 10 they say went with the highest bitrate possible, and looks like crap) (Seabiscuit/Missing/School of Rock, comes to mind)
Replica, MPTDVD , Svenne

3 (best) takes time, render/keep some extras, keeps it above 3000 (scene standard) and rarely propered or have a screwup release.
Berger, BHP, aNBc

I dont think thats very accurate at all. I view it more like this:

1. Groups who try to keep the movie at highest possible quality, willing to sacrifice extras, additional audio tracks etc. Also skilled and experienced rippers.
[BooZerS, Replica, old DzN (lately they've made a few bad rips)]

2. Groups who rather keep extras and sacrifice quality of main movie, decent rippers that can't get their priorities straight.
[aNBc, BHP, Burger]

SVENNE, Centropy, TWCiSO and MPTDVD are harder to categorize since they dont seem to have a set pattern they follow in ripping. Quality seems to vary with these groups.

Some misc comments:

Accusing respected groups like CTP and DzN of using one-click programs is pretty much a joke, they know more about encoding/authoring than you ever will.

LOTR 3 had to be done on 2 disc to keep bitrate over 3000, they did they right thing.

People kiss their asses for a good reason, the majority happens to like good quality on movie and dont care much about extras.

1 half-working menu? Of course the parts for extras are not working since the content isn't there, how the hell do you expect them to work?

Claiming those rips look like crap is utterly ignorant, they all look fine compared to original source. I dont get why people start to whine about something looking poor as soon as a movie is grainy/dark or looks diffrent in any other way, most of these movies are INTENDED to look that way and has a budget that more than covers the costs of excellent mastering etc.

The reason Burger/BHP/aNBc doesnt get propered or fucks up often is simple, add the releases of all 3 groups together (not including classics and other crap) and it still isnt half of what say DzN, BooZerS or Replica has released. Compare flawed releases in % and DzN, BooZerS and Replica will all come out better.

Funny that you mentioned Burger btw, their last rip (Rundown) has interlacing in several parts, real quality

Posted by porco556 on 03-21-2004 12:00 AM:

The infinite battle continues

I can't wait till dual layer DVD-R burners come out! Then this will all be behind us That is until spring when Blu-Ray comes out! But that will be probably $1000 for the player alone and the movies will be $50 each (just like DVD was in '96). Probably will take years before we all have a burner in our homes for Blu-Ray (at an affordable price that is).

Side Convo:

When are Dual-Layered burners coming out? Can we use regular DVD-R media on dual layer burns? Isn't the second layer just a different angle of the laser? So technically it MIGHT (by slim chance) be possible to use current DVD-R media. Heck, I bet the same film is used in CD-Rs are in DVD-Rs, just a different color. Big money making scheme. Definitely shouldn't cost this much more to make.

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