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Posted by Mongoloid on 01-25-2005 01:27 PM:

Proof only proofs it aint tdxrules compliant..

They can be mad at the nukers.. but they should be mad at themselves.

Fact is that their rip isn't tdxrules compliant.. i know those rules are outdated and dumb, but fact also is that the scene still uses those and thus this rip IS a nuke.

Counterproof :
a) aspect ratio :
it's wide accepted common scene-knowledge that cropping slightly into picture isnt a bad thing to get the AR error as close as possible to 0 - they didnt do this and people may say its a good thing, because cropping into picture is bad - scene always wanted 2.35 / 1.85 or at least within 5% range of that. Their release isnt.
b) undersized (should be 2 cd's) :
straight from the tdxrules ->
Movie Length:
- PAL (25 fps) = min runtime is 105 minutes/CD
- FILM (23.976 fps) = min runtime is 110 minutes/CD
- NTSC (29.97 fps) = min runtime is 92 minutes/CD
-> so 13 minutes is just too much to go for a 1 cd release

I'm not saying their release is bad - but they shouldnt blame the nukers for following rules.. they should blame theirselves, coz they oughta know how its done. They're an old enough group.


Posted by wBR on 01-25-2005 05:35 PM:

Re: Proof only proofs it aint tdxrules compliant..

quote:
a) aspect ratio :
it's wide accepted common scene-knowledge that cropping slightly into picture isnt a bad thing to get the AR error as close as possible to 0 - they didnt do this and people may say its a good thing, because cropping into picture is bad - scene always wanted 2.35 / 1.85 or at least within 5% range of that. Their release isnt.



do you even heard about 2.40:1 DVDs?

some examples: T3, Minority report, Master And Commander, Spider-Man2, etc.

but this should be on 2CDs.


Posted by initial on 01-25-2005 07:43 PM:

TDX doesn't have max runtime per cd rules, only minimum. And from what i saw the release looked pretty good on one cd. If quality is good on one cd it'd be dumb to add another cd just to appease the status quo.


Posted by teo4all on 01-25-2005 08:45 PM:

quote:
b) undersized (should be 2 cd's) :
straight from the tdxrules ->
Movie Length:
- PAL (25 fps) = min runtime is 105 minutes/CD
- FILM (23.976 fps) = min runtime is 110 minutes/CD
- NTSC (29.97 fps) = min runtime is 92 minutes/CD




min means minimum...therefore is possible to be over it...but never under it..so this argument is flawed too...

This release is just ok...

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Posted by GenuineDeity on 01-25-2005 09:08 PM:

Nukes are outdated...

First of all I'd like to say that this release is beautifully viewed on my tv. I feel there is no reason whatsoever to talk down about this release. Yes, they may not have followed the release rules exactly, but like a junior member had stated, they are outdated, and at certain times perhaps shouldn't be followed if the outcome decreases the quality of the movie. To all the people who have the nerve to put down a release Group for doing what they feel is best for everybody, then you can go to hell. Wait for the movie your damn self and spend the hours it takes to encode the movie without it being as professional as this group has obviously done. They have stated their reasons for what they have done, and if you aren't in agreement with breaking shitty rules to obtain the best picture possible, then I suggest you discontinue posting your thoughts, especially on nuking... In the words of DiAMOND, a big FUCK YOU to all of the sheep nukers...


Posted by HaLiKuS on 01-25-2005 09:09 PM:

I didn't know Johnny Chochraine was an encoder A good rant though, i'd download this one i guess because i feel your passion in this release. I wont get it though because im straight.


Posted by Mongoloid on 01-25-2005 09:59 PM:

Re: Re: Proof only proofs it aint tdxrules compliant..

quote:
Originally posted by wBR
do you even heard about 2.40:1 DVDs?

some examples: T3, Minority report, Master And Commander, Spider-Man2, etc.

but this should be on 2CDs.



I know alot of DVDR's are.. but that doesnt make it a standard..

WS standards are 2.35 or 1.85:1, which is widescreen anamorphic or plain widescreen

that the source often has an aspect ratio error, doesnt mean groups shouldn´t crop it to make the AR error as small as possible when encoding.

That i personally dont agree with that coz i feel that cropping a little into picture is worse than an aspect ratio error bigger than +/- 0.1, doesnt mean that it's ok for this release. Hence a nuke.


Posted by _rEuTeL_ on 01-26-2005 12:39 AM:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332280/technical
conclusion: bad source.

"our movie compresses good"
yeah, well..
use a different quantization matrix and increase overall quality, lol


stick to the rules and shut the fuck up imo
(or update those damn rules..)

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Posted by mj- on 01-26-2005 12:49 AM:

Re: Proof only proofs it aint tdxrules compliant..

quote:
Originally posted by Mongoloid
They can be mad at the nukers.. but they should be mad at themselves.

Fact is that their rip isn't tdxrules compliant.. i know those rules are outdated and dumb, but fact also is that the scene still uses those and thus this rip IS a nuke.

Counterproof :
a) aspect ratio :
it's wide accepted common scene-knowledge that cropping slightly into picture isnt a bad thing to get the AR error as close as possible to 0 - they didnt do this and people may say its a good thing, because cropping into picture is bad - scene always wanted 2.35 / 1.85 or at least within 5% range of that. Their release isnt.
b) undersized (should be 2 cd's) :
straight from the tdxrules ->
Movie Length:
- PAL (25 fps) = min runtime is 105 minutes/CD
- FILM (23.976 fps) = min runtime is 110 minutes/CD
- NTSC (29.97 fps) = min runtime is 92 minutes/CD
-> so 13 minutes is just too much to go for a 1 cd release

I'm not saying their release is bad - but they shouldnt blame the nukers for following rules.. they should blame theirselves, coz they oughta know how its done. They're an old enough group.




a) TDX state "Cropping is required" which implies aspect ratio has to be preserved and must not be manipulated. DMD chose correct AR.

b) TDX state as cited "min runtime" which means no 2 CD rip allowed if LESS than certain runtime. As teo4all already mentioned, there is no rule that defines a MAX runtime for 1 CD.

c) Instead, read TDX properly: "Media usage is at Ripper's discretion". DMD decided on their well explained discretion. I do not only respect that but also appreciate they manage to implode a 2h+ movie onto 1 CD with nice quality.

d) Be invited to release a "proper" and be sure to get nuked for that.


Posted by wBR on 01-26-2005 01:52 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Proof only proofs it aint tdxrules compliant..

quote:
Originally posted by Mongoloid
I know alot of DVDR's are.. but that doesnt make it a standard..

WS standards are 2.35 or 1.85:1, which is widescreen anamorphic or plain widescreen



each DVD have your own aspect ratio, you cannot say that all of them should follow the 2.35:1 standard!! lol

for example: if you get T3 DVD and cropping all the black borders you'll have 2.438:1. So you'll cropp on the sides until it comes to 2.35:1 just to follow this stupid "standard"?

the image must be preserved as much its possible.


Posted by Lab on 01-26-2005 03:59 AM:

You fucking tell them Diamond .. FUCK the nukers on this release


Posted by DividedSky on 01-26-2005 04:26 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Proof only proofs it aint tdxrules compliant..

quote:
Originally posted by Mongoloid
WS standards are 2.35 or 1.85:1, which is widescreen anamorphic or plain widescreen


That has nothing to do with anamorphic or not. (Well, 2.35:1 movies are sometimes shot with anamorphic lenses, but not always, and that's completely different than anamorphic widescreen on DVDs).

So, to get clear on the scene rules, if a movie is originally 1.77:1 (e.g., a straight to video HD 16:9 shoot), it can't be released that way?


Posted by horizonstar on 01-27-2005 02:48 AM:

I'm just impressed at the lack of grammar and spelling mistakes in this ...

10/?/10

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