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Posted by CWS on 08-09-2002 04:34 AM:

wtf is up?

i leave for a short time and return to find flame wars is now a CENSORED forum?

so now only the mods and the select few have freedom of speech here?

some how i rember going through all this with phucker a long time ago.

it is truely sad that you have no more self control than to quash opinions you disagree with.

i wont bother repeating what i have already said about it, it sucks, you know it sucks, and you suck for doing it.

have fun,
renee

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Posted by CWS on 08-09-2002 04:42 AM:

Flame Wars
Flame all ya want in here

might want to rename it and change the description to

"leet only"
"leetsters piss and moan forum"

Posted by cx on 08-09-2002 04:53 AM:

well atm it is for recommended users, but we were going to try to make it a minimum amount of posts in order to post there, but none of the admins have enough time to impliment that since we do not have that hack.

We are trying to make it so your first post won't be in the flame section like a certain person and maybe honestly right now we do not need to hear bitching about it.

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Posted by KayDawg on 08-09-2002 05:16 AM:

either way...the filter shouldn't be a big deal..
you don't need to cuss to get a point across..

Posted by MovieGod on 08-09-2002 05:34 AM:

Yeah you know what I phucking mean?? hehehe

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Posted by KayDawg on 08-09-2002 05:40 AM:

lol...that's the spirit

Posted by CWS on 08-09-2002 05:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cx
maybe honestly right now we do not need to hear bitching about it.

well mabey honestly you would prefer to just ban me instead?

i mean damn cx, hell i like you quite a bit from when we chatted it up in irc. my point is very simple, dump the leet shit and admit your going to censor and toss the forum to the waste can!

hell just OWN what your doing and be frank that you ARE going to censor and be done with it. hell from exactly what you are saying, you are looking for a hack for the boards specificly to CENSOR.

mr cyber punk CAN be delt with in many many ways sould you want, censoring the other users because of one undesirable you can not get rid of is not how i spell justice.

say the word and ill toss ya a hand, but if nothing else was ever clear to you hun, getting me to stop bitching is about like trying to catch niarga falls in a shot glass

have fun,
renee

ps wtf is up with this double posting and double replies? lol who knows if i did it, delete one of the threads for me sweety it was not meant to be :P

Posted by cx on 08-09-2002 06:16 AM:

its only the person's View, x69 updated the SQL and we guess something got fucked. No we are not censoring, but since you have been gone for awhile it looks, you have not noticed the friend has come back and he has gotten like for more ISP's. So this stops users for the time from giving us a fucking headache. and yes I thought you were very nice, but this post is totally outta hand, maybe if you polietely asked first what is up with the flame section then we would of been frank but no you "jumped the fucking gun" and did not give us a chance to explain. You get responses better when being civilized and you won't loss respect that way either. But i feel your second post is complete shit. You automatically get defensive and post nonsense without giving us a chance to explain.

Also if you do have a VB hack for making a section a minimum post count inorder to post in there, we would be more that happy to take it off your hands.

[edit]PS look in the flame war section, take a look at the users who participate, look at their post count. Look at everyone that is vcdemon, we are not censoring anyone but those who are new to the board, and if you have a problem, what is the difference between that and moderation? We feel that in order to actually bitch and moan, you should be part of the community. What right does a person have, first post is a flame towards someone. He never has spoken a word to anyone else. Or participated in any threads. Why should he be allowed. If they want to take part in the forum, and then bitch and moan, fine but the first thread SHOULD NOT be in the flame war.[/edit]

Posted by Crazy_Jay on 08-09-2002 06:39 AM:

This is Just an Idea Why dont you put a 3-8 day Waiting period on accounts Make it mandatory to sighn in before you can even browse the Forums Person Fucks up Banned Now they have to wait at least 3-8 days before then can even think about posting again..... Just a thought probably a stupid one but its an Idea

Posted by pHo on 08-09-2002 04:27 PM:

*cries* i do my best to make this board a more friendly place and all i constantly get is criticism? why the fuck should we bother, cos nobody is EVER happy.

how many boards even allow a flaming section? its currently inactive to public due to the fact that it was abused, and ever since we took it away, the abuse has kicked down. its not gone for good, i just need to find some hacks to enable min posting. we dont censor valid viewpoints, theres no point, but when people want to post utter shit all the time, then moderation has to be used.

the rec'd users thing is an "experiment" if you will, the 10 highest posters were given a separate forum, and its up to them how it goes. they can vote in and vote out people. the reason it was the top 10 posters was due to the fact that they use the board the most, not because of any "elite" reasons. how the hell could u pick who's elite just from a few posts? its an experiment, nothing more nothing less.

anyway, whatever. why bother eh. nobody gives a fuck, they'll just find a new angle with which to criticise from. so i might's well leave this board unmoderated and show how much of a mess it would be if people didn't try their hardest to keep it under control. control != censorship, and i truly believed only those who weren't here for the right reasons would oppose this.

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Posted by ThugNetwork on 08-09-2002 04:59 PM:

I think the main point that she's trying to get across is that it's a Flame Section, which was made to insult and bicker about people. And you have censored it.

It trully makes' no sense, that's all shes' saying. And I agree, even if it is down ATM I still don't think it should even be there if it's going to be censored :-\

Posted by Crazy_Jay on 08-09-2002 07:35 PM:

Thug Im half Twisted Right now AND yes X69 Waiting in the Post Office Line I was Half Twisted.

But i do agree with you thug if they dont want it there and yes i know CX siad some Problems they have about user just making accounts so they can post flames is worng!!! About as worng telling my boss she is hot and i want to fucker her in the ass!!! Oh wait sorry way off topic anyways well shit i have nothing really to say except work is going well my old boss is fired!!!!

Cj

Posted by ThugNetwork on 08-09-2002 07:51 PM:

We all want to fuck your boss in the ass CJ, it's not just you anymore

Posted by CWS on 08-10-2002 03:05 AM:

quote from cx

"we are not censoring anyone but those who are new to the board, and if you have a problem, what is the difference between that and moderation?"

the difference is moderation is enforcment of rules. censorship is removing or editing what you or another does not support. a moderator applies rules even handedly to everyone who violates the rules. a censor removes or edits anything they disagree with or do not feel has value for whatever reason.

since the board admin pho has openly stated back when this same argument with phucker was taking place said there were no rules for flame wars other than no request or links to illegal files anything else goes. that makes ANY editing of any other type of message censorship. it is that plain and simple.

now while we can all agree that vcdemon is a moron that point is actually totally moot. vcdemon is actually not your problem on the boards, whiny users are, thats right. no one is required to post in flame wars, no one even has to visit flame wars. they do so totally by choice, then when they see something they want to whine about they contact a mod about it, deliver thier whine and ask that he be removed/banned whatever.

that is your damn problem around here. want to fix it? instead of censoring the forum add the rule that if anyone chooses to play down thier and then reports a post that does NOT break the request or link rule THEY get banned. i mean damn hun, he is a troll, he WILL leave as soon as people discontinue paying attn to him, that is ALL a troll does, i have said it a 100 times it seems.

i mean can you not agree with that? if i go down to flame wars and say thug is a low down bla bla bla, in a forum that you have granted that freedom in and thug comes to you to complain about it, would that not make thug your problem and not me? i expressed an unpopular opinion in a forum where such things are explicitly allowed and thug comes to you to tell you it is unpopular with him and he wants you to do something about it. does that not make thug your actual problem? (sorry thug had to use someone as an example and thought you would not mind........)

i mean fuck! why does a mod have to bother making sure nothing offensive to somone is going to be in a forum that is dedicated to being offensive by its very name? why does a mod feel the need to defend such actions unless they know that it is wrong?

do not bother trying to explain your views on it cx, your good peeps and you can either see my point or you cant and i am not going through a nother tiraid like i did with phucker over it.

my point is real friggin simple, there are some serious whiners buggin the mods about shit they have control over and they activly choose not to take personal responsability for it and seek out somone else to make thier problems go away. this would include any mod who can not practice the self control do do the same thing they expect the users to do, it is a position of responsability not power.

thats all i got on it,
renee

Posted by ThugNetwork on 08-10-2002 03:45 AM:

Can we ban CWS? She used my name in a derogatory statement

But truthfully CWS... You have no chance of winning an argument like this and them over throwing their seeming 'mind control' rules over that forum or any other. I just hope you know that, they're not going to change their minds on how they censor or gaurd that forum even if you do make a point. Which you have.

There's just no point to get riled up about something that is blatantly obvious to the rest of us, something you may never have a chance of winning because of closed minds... And also because it's an internet argument. For someone that has been on the 'net for so long, you should realize the unimportantness (I like to make my own words ) of an argument on the 'net.

Posted by CWS on 08-10-2002 04:19 AM:

lol thug

you make some valid points as well.

while i agree it will likely not change, as it is a core value i hold very high even for those i despise, i feel compelled to comment any time i see such injustice. i find it particularly offensive when it comes from a place that will damn sure hide behind that bill of rights when the rubber meets the road and someone comes at them.

i just like to allow the internet to allow anyone to show exactly how dumb or smart they are and go from there.

frankly i find it absolutly comical anyone would think i had a hack that would allow censorship considering how strong my views are on it.

i actually enjoy a spirited debate with anyone for any reason, it keeps the mind sharp. that is why i enjoy posting in flame wars, it allows you to employ all the tactics of an argument to win control of a debate. i would have to suppose the reasons minds are closed is because they are young and do not have enough experience in life to have sat back and looked at the process.

if you drive a mazda and i want you to admit bmw is a better car i have two choices. i can ask you what you like about mazda's and you will give me a pretty short list. or i can say to you that mazda's suck and evoke an emotional response from you to defend mazda's now if i do not feel i have all your reasons mazda's are good cars i can dispute several of your points in a nasty way to make you madder so you will justify your position with even more reasons.

notice i have not said a single thing about bmw yet, well now i can dispute every one of your arguments with my own with a planned out logical argument, draw you to my points, and then present my points for bmw with a calm demeanor while your still on the emotional rollarcoaster.

cold? brutal? just flat out wrong? call it what you want, i prefer effective

guess that comes with being a lawyer, i am a cold bitch who does not have to be right to win, i just have to win!

that is not what this is all about with cx, i think he is pretty good peeps, i employed the tactics with phucker because he was really mad at me and he was imho not justified in it. in the end, they all put up with a ton of whiners and if i was in thier positions i would either think about banning the whainers or just dump the forum. they enjoy some part of it or they would just ignore it.

in the end it does not matter!

have fun,
renee

Posted by ThugNetwork on 08-10-2002 05:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by CWS
in the end it does not matter!

have fun,
renee

...But yet your still arguing about it? Just thought I'd point that out.

(Not trying to sound like an ass) You just completely second guessed (wrong words to use, I know) yourself. Hypocritical is the word actually.

Posted by CWS on 08-10-2002 05:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ThugNetwork

...But yet your still arguing about it? Just thought I'd point that out.

(Not trying to sound like an ass) You just completely second guessed (wrong words to use, I know) yourself. Hypocritical is the word actually.

not really hun you have it out of context. my response to your post ended at
"while i agree it will likely not change, as it is a core value i hold very high even for those i despise, i feel compelled to comment any time i see such injustice. i find it particularly offensive when it comes from a place that will damn sure hide behind that bill of rights when the rubber meets the road and someone comes at them."

when i said in the end it does not matter, that was in no way an indication that i was saying that freedoms i hold high do not matter. i was only saying that regarding my last statement of

"in the end, they all put up with a ton of whiners and if i was in thier positions i would either think about banning the whainers or just dump the forum. they enjoy some part of it or they would just ignore it."

sorry that was misunderstood. i ALWAYS adamndently stand for freedom of speech no matter how much it bothers me what might being said. is the arguing about it pointless, no, may it fall on deaf ears, sure, do others see it and possibly reflect on thier own thoughts about the situations that brought us to this point and come to the realization that even though they might hate the person who is instigating the event, they will not fork over thier rights because one person is an idiot, then it is worth enduring a bit of grief from the ones who shall never listen.

if any point other than that can be drawn from what i have said, i cant help em.

so incase that ramble was not clear, i have a reason to argue it, though i know it may make no effective changes, i do so as others may view it and remove the emotional response they have just because it is vcdemon who causes it and they hate him. that was the reason for discussing how i might go about an argument to win a debate. it is imho what vcdemon is doing to the mods via the users and it is going to cause all users to loose freedoms because of an emotional response to an illogical debate and since i have chatted up a few of the mods, i know they are brighter than that and hope in some small way other peeps see it the same.

have fun,
renee

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