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Posted by X69 on 03-17-2006 06:20 AM:

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Posted by movieman187 on 03-17-2006 06:25 AM:

Hmm they left a 262MB vob-id in the VIDEO_TS.VOB containing nothing but black frames. Definitely not 4117 kbps average like they claim. Probably closer to 3200 based on the length of the movie and the size of the other files on the disc. Picture looks ok for the low average.

7.5/9.0/8.0

Posted by lorddusty on 03-17-2006 08:01 AM:

yeah i noticed that vob too, serious waste of space

Posted by JustBrowsing on 03-17-2006 12:23 PM:

This will hopefully be propered. IMHO it deserves to be properred due to bad ripping, but the bitrate is still within scene specs, but I say the hell with that.

What's wrong with the disc:

DRM detects slight IFO/VOB pointer mismatch. This can generate playback issues on a very very select group a DVD players, so not a real biggie.

As already stated, in the VMG there is indeed a 263MB blank pgc. This is a complete waste of space.

The menu was left at 190MB, but this could have easilly been reduced to 90MB by someone paying a little attention to what he was doing:

- Although PGC 38 is accessable through button 6 in the main menu, it's a complete waste of space IMHO, so the button should have been disabled, and the content stripped. That would have saved 50MB
- PGC 33 is unused because they stripped the sneak peeks and disabled the buttons to this section of the menu. So this could have been deleted. Another 11MB
- Same for PGC 32. This time only 1MB
- Basically the same for the bonus features in PGC 22-23-28-29-30. Again 37MB wasted
- In the audio section, the unused buttons weren't deleted. Besides that, since there is only 1 audio stream left, the entire audio section could have been disabled, and another 1,4MB could have been saved.

All in all a sloppy stripping job were in total 363 MB could have been added to the main movie.

The main movie is 143 minutes. The current main movie size is 3970MB. Of this, 467MB is audio, which leaves 3503MB for video.
Some quick counting shows that the average bitrate is 3344Kbps, and not the 4417Kbps claimed in the nfo.

If they would have done a proper job, the bitrate would have increased by 346Kbps getting the disc at a bitrate of 3690Kbps.

Only time will tell, but I'm hoping it will get propered or that the dutch groups do a better job when it's released over here next month.

Posted by Chappy on 03-17-2006 12:49 PM:

Just another case of trying to win the race at the expense of doing a proper job. It wouldn't suprise me if we see an Internal.

Posted by porco556 on 03-17-2006 04:14 PM:

Glad to see people not just taking the NFO for granted anymore and looking into the releases themselves!

What always gets me is the lying in the NFO. If they lie, you can't trust the rest which pisses me off, and for all we know it is NOT CCE. The still portions of the film look decent, but once something starts moving, it looks crappy. Not sure if it was transcoded or not, but I don't see a stamp of CCE quality here, plus they can't even figure out the bitrate, so I am skeptical...

Best possible bitrate would be 3535kbit/sec without that fake VOB (and the 192MB menu that is). So they are clearly fully of shit. But as I said, I don't think this is a CCE job to boot. But definitely not as bad as King Kong (Bocca) release!! I've seen this sort of transcode before, just can't put my finger on it.

:: EDIT - I just remembered, I've seen this type of encode in War of the Worlds (PAL) by Scream also... Replica then came out and did a MUCH better job few days later. I do hope that this happens again. ::

Posted by Triffid on 03-17-2006 04:27 PM:

Lies, lies, such obvious and blatant lies.

VDubMod measured the average video bitrate to be 3327k. A far cry from 4117k. With this release stripped down to movie only, the video bitrate cannot exceed 3825k. At 3327K, it should still look better than it does.

EDIT: I don't know if you can nuke for false info in the nfo. I'm sure Replica was working on this and just got beat. Perhaps, as mentioned in the previous post, Replica will release a proper, otherwise, an internal. Fingers crossed.

Posted by Pray 4 Death on 03-17-2006 11:33 PM:

Quality is abysmal, its got DVDShrink written all over it.

Posted by ntscuser on 03-17-2006 11:42 PM:

Can't fault it myself. No problems with picture or sound and I'm normally a DTS purist. This is certainly a vast improvement over the awards screener someone sent me.

A trivia facts track is present (in three languages) even though the menu page for it has been disabled. It can be accessed by pressing the subtitle button on a remote handset.

Not bad as a movie either. I'm normally phobic as far as kid's films are concerned but this one is quite watchable.

10/10/7

EDIT: Odd that no one here has yet mentioned Prelude's rip?

The.Chronicles.Of.Narnia.MULTI.DVDR-PLD

DATE : 17/03/2006 AUDIO : US 5.1/FR 2.0
VIDEO : 8 PASS CCE SUBS : EN/FR/ES

Can live without the French audio myself but probably takes up less space than a dummy VTS folder.

Posted by biggbyte on 03-18-2006 02:06 AM:

It may be that a higher bitrate could have been achieved, but as far as the viewing experience goes, it looks pretty damn good on a 48" widescreen.

porco556: I dunno what you watched this video on, but the motion parts of the movie are far from crappy on my dvd player. Stills and motion are both nice.

Everything I've seen from Scream is quality, and I find it hard to believe that they would do a transcode just to get a release out a few hours sooner.

You can wait to see if somebody else puts it out, but IMO this release will please everyone but the most picky of viewers, well worth the download.

9
9
8

Posted by jdno7 on 03-18-2006 02:53 AM:

The video look alright I give it a 7 audios fine 9 but as people mentioned there was a lot of waste spaced hopefully replica gets their time to shine because I wont be putting this on a blank.

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Posted by rampantDK on 03-18-2006 08:58 PM:

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Aside from all the lying in the nfo, the picture doesn't look too bad, would an extra 346kb/sec really make this 140 minute movie that much more watchable? Obviously the errors in the ifo make it a shady release anyway, my player took about 15-20 seconds to get anything on the screen, would I download a proper? Probably not...

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Posted by wrist on 03-19-2006 07:05 PM:

Nice 9/9/8

Lot of bitchin bout sweet fa. Lot of nobs moanin bout this that and the other.....yawn.

Thanks scream. Yet anotha great release from scream.

Posted by porco556 on 03-19-2006 08:07 PM:

Glad to see the cataracts club out... But I suppose I don't mind being a nob myself But I am not all that rich, just spend lots on AV equip.

As for the intelligent posts (discussing the quality, not the posts). I watched it last night again, and can't put my finger on it... Just not typical. IT may just be the source. Pirates of the Caribbean also wasn't fantastic (Disney also). Only way we'll know is when the DVD-9 comes out, which again is what I will most likely end up with (I've been DVD-9ing all my movies that are over 120 mins myself).

There is no pulsing, just a strangeness to the motion (which would point to Shrink or Nero). But then how do you trust the CCE part which resides right next to the 4110kbit/sec lie. That's all I am saying.

But equally, obviously many satisfied customers out there. So I guess if you would DVDShrink this yourself (like a previous guy in the King Kong forum), then this is better. But I personally wasn't impressed at all, but I am possibly the pickiest person.

Posted by JustBrowsing on 03-19-2006 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ntscuser
Odd that no one here has yet mentioned Prelude's rip?

The.Chronicles.Of.Narnia.MULTI.DVDR-PLD

DATE : 17/03/2006 AUDIO : US 5.1/FR 2.0
VIDEO : 8 PASS CCE SUBS : EN/FR/ES

Can live without the French audio myself but probably takes up less space than a dummy VTS folder. [/B]

Didn't do it, because I don't consider it mcuh better... But if you want, here goes...

I must warn everybody about the way this disc was put back together. Because I can compare it to the Scream release, I can also see how many authoring errors were made in re-incorperating the CCE'ed main movie. They have completely re-authored the disc, and shabby at that, instead of just placing the CCEéd version back into the original DVD structure. But they did remove all unused menu sections which is good.
Now I know for a fact authoring skills and CCEing skills are 2 entirely different things, ( I personally can take apart and rebuild a dvd blindfolded, but maybe only know 1% of what's possible in CCE scripting) but I wouldn't put my money on this version.

Bitrate isn't that much higher as the Scream release 3706MB for video against 3503MB, which should boost it about 193 Kbps to 3538Kbps.

IMHO not worth binning the Scream release and getting this one. As normal, I won't comment on the image quality itself as I still have a TV that's much too "forgiving" (still waiting for real 1920x1080p TVs to hit Europe before buying a new set).

Posted by movieman187 on 03-19-2006 09:26 PM:

Main Movie .....:
ù Video - 3610 kbps avg, 6 Pass CCE
ù Audio - English 5.1
ù Subs - English, Spanish, & French

From the NFO for The.Chronicles.Of.Narnia.WS.INTERNAL.DVDR-Replica. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but it sounds promising based on the NFO.

Posted by TheReal_Kaitain on 03-21-2006 02:16 AM:

Hmmm, no one else notices the missing center channel?

I've double checked my audio equipment, played other DTS movies, and I still have no center channel.

Nuked: No Center Channel...

Posted by JoshNya on 03-21-2006 05:17 AM:

The way I determine if its a one-clicker or not... (and I brought this up before) is looking at the MaxBitrate. One-Clickers do NOT change the MaxBitrate because its Transcoded, were as CCE does change it because its Encoded. Examining further DVD9 has 9800 (And if you see a DVDR at max 9800 its 100% Transcoded). SCREAM has 9000k (default of DVD-RB).

Just givin ya my opinion on how I can tell w/o even watching the movie. If you need to know the big difference between Transcoding (non reconstruction of a/v files) and Encoding (total reconstuction for best quality) do more research on your own.

My .02

Posted by movieman187 on 03-21-2006 06:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JoshNya
The way I determine if its a one-clicker or not... (and I brought this up before) is looking at the MaxBitrate. One-Clickers do NOT change the MaxBitrate because its Transcoded, were as CCE does change it because its Encoded. Examining further DVD9 has 9800 (And if you see a DVDR at max 9800 its 100% Transcoded). SCREAM has 9000k (default of DVD-RB).

Just givin ya my opinion on how I can tell w/o even watching the movie. If you need to know the big difference between Transcoding (non reconstruction of a/v files) and Encoding (total reconstuction for best quality) do more research on your own.

My .02

You can achieve a nominal bitrate of 9800 kbps (which is what is stored in the header that mpc/restream read from) on a CCE encode as well. Just check the DVD Compliant box under the video options in CCE 2.50 SP. Then no matter what you set the bitrate to the video stream will be marked with a nominal bitrate of 9800 kbps. There's probably a way to do it in CCE 2.7X as well so whether or not the nominal (not necessarily the max) bitrate is 9800 kbps doesn't really tell you anything about how it was encoded.

Posted by ntscuser on 03-21-2006 01:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TheReal_Kaitain
Hmmm, no one else notices the missing center channel?

I've double checked my audio equipment, played other DTS movies, and I still have no center channel.

Nuked: No Center Channel...

There is no DTS track on this version. The menu option should have been disabled as it doesn't do anything. The default AC-3 track most certainly has a centre-channel.

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