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Owning a Pro-BSL guy on the issues.

Most wont care about this, but its an important issue to me right now as BSL is spreading fast.This is botchalism from another forum, and his take on the issue of BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) followed by my response.

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Originally posted by botchalism
Well I think we can all agree that the only thing worse then pitbulls are the Welsh . I think with any dog, like any human, has the capacity to snap. I've heard many stories of the ideal pitbull, loved, obediance trained, and the like, yet unexpectedly snaps. The black lab that bit me at the dog park had gone wild because he'd been through 2 robberies in one week. My Maltese is a pretty mean little guy and when he turned on his short man syndrome and bullied the dog, the dog SNAPPED. I had to intervene, as it was obvious the lab was out for blood. It grazed my hand with its teeth and I kicked it, and it immediatly retreated. My dog had a knick as did I which was bleeding but quickly stopped. Had this been a pitbull, would I have been able to give it a swift kick and expect release. You tell me. Its in their breed to never let up once they bite down. I mean, so what, they're 5 times better in temperment. I don't care if a dalmation bites 5, 10, 20 times more, it will never equal 1 pitbull attack. So a little Pomeranian can kill an infant, a mongoose can kill an infant. I love my Maltese like a child, but would I leave him alone with an infant? No. Do infants roam the streets in danger of a small dog killing them, no. Do adults and children walk the streets in danger of a pitbull attack, yes.

Let me ask you why did you specifically pick a pitbull for a family pet. There are so many other ideal family dogs, specifically bred for human companionship and nothing else. Why pick a dog with a pedigree for violence, I mean why? I think even caring owners have some subtle desire to fufill the masculinity allure of the dog, don't you think?

You mention that your website is against irresponsible ownership. How do you combat it? If all you do is say "its bad", "don't fight pitbulls please', then of course its ludicrous to think you'll make an impact. If not BSL, then what? You don't think limiting ownership privileges of pits and rotts from novice owners is feasible? You said pitbulls need structure and rules in their life, do you think the average joe 6 pack will provide this? It wouldn't completely stop the flow, limiting it this way, but it would keep it out of easy access of criminals. Yes gun control doesn't mean criminals don't have guns, however, its harder to get and IF caught with them Do not pass go, do not collect $200. I guess my biggest point is, yes guns will end up in the wrong hands, but is making it readily available at the corner store for a $100 the answer?

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Originally posted by PiTBuLLeD a.k.a VTouch
Firstly, my breed is less likely to bite a human, they pass w/ higher temperment tests for a reason. Temperment tests document the dogs personality, including aggressive behavior towards strangers, children, other dogs/animals, and food bowls. The Pit Bull passes this Temperment Test with an amazing 83.5%. The Cocker Spaniel passes with 81.5%, and the Collie (Lassie) passes with a score of just 79%. Yes they were bred to fight other dogs, but during these fights the owners would be in the ring with the dogs. These dogs knew never to bite a human, for if they did they were killed. This being the case the pits that bit were killed thus taking them out of the reproduction cycle thus removing those traits from the breed. By doing this they have created a dog aggressive, people friendly breed. Not only that many of the fighters were treated like shit,yet never turned on their owner nor the other people in the "pit" during the fights. As mentioned above it was bred into the dogs that biting a human = death. Animals just know stuff, its called instincts and its created by years and years of evolution.

I specifically picked a Pit Bull (AmStaff Terrier) because i have grown up around them all my life, they have been in my family for generations. My brother breeds them, and gave me the pick of the litter. The reasons this breed is so popular is because they are known to be super loyal dogs, that give 110% at instruction you give them (which irresponsible owners exploit) and they show you more unconditional love then your average breed. Overall they are great companions, my GoTTi is my traveling companion, bodyguard, best friend, and child all in one. I say bodyguard because i have trained my dog to listen to my every command. Though being a responsible owner i would never misuse that power, only for the protection of me & my famiy in only the most needed situations.


The way to combat irresponsible ownership is to dramatically increase the relatively light weight penalties we have now for dog fighting / animal cruelty / animal neglect. It makes no sense to kill so innocent dogs, taking away best friends and even family members for some because of a few bad owners who had no business raising the dog in the first place. Also make it harder to buy a Pit Bull, which would mean stopping these puppy mills and irresponsible breeders. Hell even have owners take a course or something. This breed is only, i repeat, ONLY for those who will raise it properly and give the dog structure and a base of common basic ideas (rules). The problem is the Gov. is lazy so instead of being proactive on the issue, they would rather just say "fuk it" (excuse my language) just ban them and kill any more that we catch. It sure is alot easier than saying "you know what? lets go out there and get the heartless scumbags who use their dog as a decoration or worse a fighter", thus creating a bad dog.Im not saying there are not instances where the dog is just not right in the head because like any breed ( or animal for that matter, including human) there are mentally screwed up creatures, but this is a factor of life. You dont go out and kill off a whole breed because of a flaw in life.


The problem with your gun control analogy is that they are just putting a set of standards in order to purchase a fire arm, where'es they are just flat out BANNING pit bulls. That means that any dogs brought into the community afterwords is illegal regardless of its training, temperment, or backround. It gets euthanized simply for being the wrong breed. In Denver, 1,075 dogs identified as pit bulls were euthanized from May 2005 though May 2006, thats almost 3 dogs killed a day just for being pit bulls. This is unacceptable. I hope i opened your eyes to some realities to BSL. Please dont ever think that Breed Specific Legislation is a list of restrictions and standards to own a pit bull because its not. It is a FLAT OUT BAN! NO you can not own this breed under ANY circumstances unless it was registered before the ban date. Ok? So what happens after that last generation of Pits die out? Extinction buddy, thats what.

I hope you can see the other side of the story. Our side, the responsible owners who have special relationships with their dogs. All i ask it that you better make sure you got the right enemy in your crosshairs before you pull the trigger on a whole breed.
Joey T.
www.myspace.com/italianyg <--- for Pit Bull facts, info, and pics of me and my dog GoTTi

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Because your a prick.

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And then they decided to charge him with common assault - with a sausage.

Negative, its because i care. Im standing up for what i believe in. Give it a try sometime, it creates character. I fight for what i love, i love my dog, and on the bigger scale i love this breed. You couldnt possibly understand the 100% unconditional love, dedication, and loyalty this breed has for its owner without actually owning one and having the experience. Its all good though, keep letting the government do what they want, no worries right? Just keep quiet and allow them to just make all the decisions as you shuffle through your daily life with your head in your ass, unaware what direction your community is headed and when. Im sure itll all turn out ok right?

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" Che di spada ferisce di spada perisce "

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�_ Petar "Decko" Ragus �_

You're the kind of guy that will only learn the hard way, so next time your fingering your mutt and it eats your face... don't come crying to us.

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both of u r right. why tf would somebody wanna pit bull when they r notorious and theres many other dogs around?
u answer that by the race bein loyal to ur family for decades. but what is all that whinin about, u shoulda stopt there(dogs will not kill people because their ancestors were killed when killing people=evolution ) . obviously a dog behaves like he s bin tought so omg where is the problem

and nice to know that u know how to use ur dog as a weapon*duh*

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Originally posted by roidesoleil
both of u r right. why tf would somebody wanna pit bull when they r notorious and theres many other dogs around?
u answer that by the race bein loyal to ur family for decades. but what is all that whinin about, u shoulda stopt there(dogs will not kill people because their ancestors were killed when killing people=evolution ) . obviously a dog behaves like he s bin tought so omg where is the problem

and nice to know that u know how to use ur dog as a weapon*duh*

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Originally posted by monty23
The english language is officially dead. Thanks.

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Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH
Negative, its because i care. Im standing up for what i believe in. Give it a try sometime, it creates character. I fight for what i love, i love my dog, and on the bigger scale i love this breed. You couldnt possibly understand the 100% unconditional love, dedication, and loyalty this breed has for its owner without actually owning one and having the experience. Its all good though, keep letting the government do what they want, no worries right? Just keep quiet and allow them to just make all the decisions as you shuffle through your daily life with your head in your ass, unaware what direction your community is headed and when. Im sure itll all turn out ok right?

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And then they decided to charge him with common assault - with a sausage.

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Originally posted by Avenue_1 v3.0b
It's ok, he's american

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The english language is officially dead

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ok, first of all.

Is your dog an amstaff or pb?

If you are defending the amstaff then there is reason to.

The pb as you know, was bred purely for rings.fullstop

they were NOT I repeat NOT breed for a family to love and expect to be able to be walked by any family member any time of the day.

fat chance

You said in your response to ban and penalise the illegal rings.

But they were banned a long time ago, so in fact there is no need for the pb to still be breeding dangerous, yes, dangerous dogs.

if rings were still around then Im sure many would be owning them.

the dogs need for a good fight, is not what people would like to see in a dog.

My boy loved people, children, and a rabbit, but I could not let him near any dog that he didn't grow up with him.

The point the bloke was trying to say is something you admit to and that is ....pound for pound the breed is a machine of maximum proportion (apbt)

You cant check out the jaw pressure square inch for the dog in comparison to the next, but they don't let go, other dogs will.

Good luck with you're attempt to save the breed, but there are more families out there that don't trust the dogs in comparison to the ones that do.

seems we visit the same site .........

ATTS Breed Statistics
as of December 2003
Breed Name Tested Passed Failed Percent
American Pit Bull Terrier 446 374 72 84%
American Staffordshire Terrier 457 380 77 83%
Mixed Breed 645 548 97 85%
Boxer 317 268 49 84%
Collie 761 601 160 79%
German Shepherd Dog 2642 2183 459 82%
Golden Retriever 637 530 107 83%





More info for who is interested

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Originally posted by Jules_Tavernier
you must have mistaken me for someone that's bord enough to read whatever you wrote.

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Originally posted by cupidstunt
I'm very bored but even I lost the will to live 3 lines in to it.

Something about dogs I think.

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Originally posted by yoshy
something else about dogs

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This forum has "Gone to the dogs"

ROFLCOPTERMAO!

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Originally posted by yoshy
ok, first of all.

Is your dog an amstaff or pb?

If you are defending the amstaff then there is reason to.

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Just out of couriousity, do you have to carry a bond/insurance on your pitbull? Here in the states, including Columbus, you have to carry special insurance if you own a pitbull (as defined by the statue). 100,000 per dog. I don't know of this being the case with any other breed, though I could be wrong. Just something to think about. Personally I can't stand the fuckers, and see no need for them whatsover.

Michael Vick might see it otherwise. . .

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Originally posted by The CandyMan
Just out of couriousity, do you have to carry a bond/insurance on your pitbull? Here in the states, including Columbus, you have to carry special insurance if you own a pitbull (as defined by the statue). 100,000 per dog. I don't know of this being the case with any other breed, though I could be wrong. Just something to think about. Personally I can't stand the fuckers, and see no need for them whatsover.

Michael Vick might see it otherwise. . .

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" Che di spada ferisce di spada perisce "

R.I.P
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�_ Petar "Decko" Ragus �_

I want a pet lion and I want to be able to take it for a walk in the park.

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Originally posted by VOorheES-ToUcH


Personally i cant stand ashley simpson, the new ninja turtle cartoons, and pecan pie, that doesnt mean i think they should be legally banned.

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