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Posted by kingcyrus on 12-10-2007 05:47 AM:

Plasma TV with Dish receiver

Hey, Just bought a new Plasma TV. Upon setting up my Dish Receiver 301 to it (which only has A/V outputs and S-Video) The picture quality isn't all that good at all.

I'm also using my DVD/HDD Recorder which does have composite video outputs. But after buying $40 cables the picture still doesn't seem to improve.

Because the receiver is the tuner to the satellite.. unless I upgrade that.. is there not anyway to get a perfect picture?

Even when watching a DVD, its not crystal clear quality.

Thanks


Posted by bottles on 12-10-2007 09:24 AM:

all the plasma tvs I have seen were all a "fuzzy" picture. I don't understand the technology, but I've never been impressed with the pic on the ones I've seen. Maybe there's something in the tv menu to sharpen picture?


Posted by pHo on 12-10-2007 03:34 PM:

what plasma have you bought first of all? thats going to make a difference. there's a lot of cheaper panels out there, then there's $3,000 pioneer panels that are just flat out great.

in the uk SD DTV is generally crappy.. bitrates are too low as they have too many shitty shopping channels and the good channels suffer.. I wouldn't be surprised if American tv is the same too. What you won't notice on a 25" TV is more than noticable on a 50" screen.

and by composite do you mean component? composite is the worst way (bar RF) of getting signal from one unit to another, whereas component isn't much different to HDMI on most consumer products.

try changing the settings, as most panels come with 'demo' settings which simply aren't going to be the best in someones home, google the model number and see if there's any threads on your panel.

CRT is always going to put out the best picture quality, but a good plasma display should be very good.. but as stated previously, screen size will show up more flaws.. but a HD signal should look pretty special if you can borrow some gear to try on it (an xbox360 for example). Also an upscaling DVD player might be the difference between a crappy picture and a nicely scaled 'HD' picture.

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Posted by MrEMann on 12-10-2007 07:28 PM:

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Originally posted by mekeceze
all the plasma tvs I have seen were all a "fuzzy" picture. I don't understand the technology, but I've never been impressed with the pic on the ones I've seen. Maybe there's something in the tv menu to sharpen picture?


Mine looks and feels and is just generally all around wonderful.

Perhaps you just need glasses.

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Posted by bottles on 12-10-2007 08:59 PM:

just my observation of the few I have seen... If yours is great, then I stand corrected and feel totally ashamed of myself.


Posted by kingcyrus on 12-11-2007 04:54 AM:

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Originally posted by pHo
what plasma have you bought first of all? thats going to make a difference. there's a lot of cheaper panels out there, then there's $3,000 pioneer panels that are just flat out great.

in the uk SD DTV is generally crappy.. bitrates are too low as they have too many shitty shopping channels and the good channels suffer.. I wouldn't be surprised if American tv is the same too. What you won't notice on a 25" TV is more than noticable on a 50" screen.

and by composite do you mean component? composite is the worst way (bar RF) of getting signal from one unit to another, whereas component isn't much different to HDMI on most consumer products.

try changing the settings, as most panels come with 'demo' settings which simply aren't going to be the best in someones home, google the model number and see if there's any threads on your panel.

CRT is always going to put out the best picture quality, but a good plasma display should be very good.. but as stated previously, screen size will show up more flaws.. but a HD signal should look pretty special if you can borrow some gear to try on it (an xbox360 for example). Also an upscaling DVD player might be the difference between a crappy picture and a nicely scaled 'HD' picture.



I pretty much bought the cheapest one I could. It is the 42" Phillips Plasma, don't currently have a model number. I was able to setup my DVD with the Green Red Blue cables with Audio and its a little better for DVD's, but as far as my receiver having only s-video and audio, and being a plasma TV, I'm concerned the picture quality is as good as its going to be.

Since I only have s-video and audio out on the receiver maybe I should have bought a CRT. I was mainly looking for a slim TV, but if the CRT would be better for what I have, maybe I'll return it and get a CRT TV. Picture quality is pretty important and noticeable. With the 301 Dish receiver only having s-video and audio out, would a CRT give an almost perfect picture with that?

I don't have the chance to try any HD devices right now, but with the HDMI cable I'd be optimistic that the picture would be perfect.


Posted by doctor zoidy on 12-11-2007 11:46 PM:

i've got a 52" rear projection 1080i, and on the 8 or so HD channels time warner offers, they look great, the STD channels however, look like complete ass. I've found on the LCDs and plasmas where i used to work (samsung tech support) the image quality on STD was improved by using a coax cable and channel three rather than over the component cables. have to switch the input back and forth, but it cleared it up a little.

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Posted by Jay Are on 12-21-2007 04:05 PM:

so to sum it all up, if your sat receiver only has composite and s-video outputs, it's not an hd receiver. this means that you will be viewing an sd pic on an hd tv. it's kinda like looking at a newspaper under a magnifying glass - all you're doing is enhancing the flaws. most tvs have firmware that changes the scan rate and number of pixels depending on which input you use; this means that if you use the component (RGB) cables to watch sd, your tv is displaying 1080 lines with only 480 being input.

i would recommend keeping your old sd tv for anything not hd and only viewing hd material on the plasma.

if you already threw out the old tv, just do as stated above and use the composite or s-video input on the tv; if the tv doesn't auto switch the resolution or scan rate, go into the menu and change it manually - it's worth it when you actually enjoy the picture.

plasma is badass and when setup correctly, it can be well worth the $1200 - $2200 you paid for it.

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